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shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
September 18 2017 20:20 GMT
#4121
On September 19 2017 02:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Is there a reason why Koreans in particular are so prone to disconnecting at the end of games? I think a literal majority of korean opponents I have disconnect when they lose, but I don't think it has happened even once with a nonkorean. At first I thought it was a funny throwback to 1999, like 'haha wow, that's been a while', but now it's like, wtf? I don't understand how that many people can be that immature.

They pull the chord, obviously. Which is reffered to as "bm" in the post above.
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany914 Posts
September 18 2017 21:35 GMT
#4122
My guess is that they think, the main reason they lost is the higher latency. Especially at the moment with tr12, when you initally have to change the latency to extra high. A lot of Koreans lose their shit at the beginning because of this.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10570 Posts
September 18 2017 21:40 GMT
#4123
On September 19 2017 03:59 KungKras wrote:
I've been flamed a couple of times when I won non-cheesy regular games. By what I presume is other europeans. Then again it's at around 1500 MMR. So I don't think it's just koreans.

This happens across all games where the lower-mid to upper-mid skill level players are generally kinda salty and bm when they lose, especially in magic the gathering too.
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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
September 18 2017 21:52 GMT
#4124
On September 19 2017 06:35 Cryoc wrote:
My guess is that they think, the main reason they lost is the higher latency. Especially at the moment with tr12, when you initally have to change the latency to extra high. A lot of Koreans lose their shit at the beginning because of this.

They like to do it even without lag. I had it happen plenty before the most recent patch. It would happen on Fish sometimes if they knew you were a foreigner since they assumed you wouldn't be able to report them on the site, but with zero consequences in remastered it's way more widespread.
<3 FlaSh HiyA Stats HoeJJa
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 18 2017 22:36 GMT
#4125
Well, a foreigner beat them. Big ego, thus they can't handle the loss imo.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
September 19 2017 20:30 GMT
#4126
hd overlords have big ol vaginas
get rich or die mining
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
September 19 2017 20:36 GMT
#4127
On September 19 2017 06:40 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2017 03:59 KungKras wrote:
I've been flamed a couple of times when I won non-cheesy regular games. By what I presume is other europeans. Then again it's at around 1500 MMR. So I don't think it's just koreans.

This happens across all games where the lower-mid to upper-mid skill level players are generally kinda salty and bm when they lose, especially in magic the gathering too.


i agree. i have not found bm to be a regional or cultural thing. it's part of the game that's why we have the enter key. in fastest map half the game is shit talking. and then after the game more shit talking. you can always mute the other person or thicken the skin
get rich or die mining
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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
September 19 2017 20:57 GMT
#4128
On September 20 2017 05:36 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2017 06:40 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 19 2017 03:59 KungKras wrote:
I've been flamed a couple of times when I won non-cheesy regular games. By what I presume is other europeans. Then again it's at around 1500 MMR. So I don't think it's just koreans.

This happens across all games where the lower-mid to upper-mid skill level players are generally kinda salty and bm when they lose, especially in magic the gathering too.


i agree. i have not found bm to be a regional or cultural thing. it's part of the game that's why we have the enter key. in fastest map half the game is shit talking. and then after the game more shit talking. you can always mute the other person or thicken the skin

Having a thick skin doesn't really help you get your ladder points when they disc.
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Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-19 21:57:05
September 19 2017 21:08 GMT
#4129
It gets old pretty damn fast. I am really close to just stop playing ladder since it feels like ~50% of the koreans at ~2200 mmr disc

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ok, 50% is probably slightly exaggerated as I was frustrated when my opponents disced 3 games in a row, but still enough to lose motivation.
Marl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States694 Posts
September 20 2017 00:06 GMT
#4130
Anyone else wish you could select which matchup you want for matchmaking? Half the time I get a PvP, the other guy quits immediately, which fucks up my ladder points to be above my actual skill level.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
September 20 2017 01:48 GMT
#4131
On September 20 2017 06:08 Keniji wrote:
It gets old pretty damn fast. I am really close to just stop playing ladder since it feels like ~50% of the koreans at ~2200 mmr disc

+ Show Spoiler +
ok, 50% is probably slightly exaggerated as I was frustrated when my opponents disced 3 games in a row, but still enough to lose motivation.
This is just the first season. They havent even fixed the point system properly yet; im sure there will be punishments for discs or some kind of system to ban these people. If not...wow...blizzard has failed massively, but until then, just dont worry about ladder points. Nothings working well.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10570 Posts
September 20 2017 02:35 GMT
#4132
I think just count disc as a loss. If it happens once, it shouldnt bother you since its only one loss. But if its happening over and over again yeah it should really hurt your ladder points.
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Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
September 20 2017 03:32 GMT
#4133
On September 20 2017 09:06 Marl wrote:
Anyone else wish you could select which matchup you want for matchmaking? Half the time I get a PvP, the other guy quits immediately, which fucks up my ladder points to be above my actual skill level.

LOL who doesn't want to play PvP? That's just silly of them.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 10:57:17
September 20 2017 10:54 GMT
#4134
On September 20 2017 12:32 Ancestral wrote:

LOL who doesn't want to play PvP? That's just silly of them.


Q: Who doesn't want to play PvP?
A: People who do not want to play PvP.

Note: That's just silly of you.
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
September 20 2017 14:05 GMT
#4135
1.)
I would like a patch that at the very least try and adress pvp and zvz somewhat. In pvp, the korean suggestion that shield batteries can spot stealth units iam all for. Makes it more safe to expand.

In zvz, what if scourges moves faster when nearby/close to biological air units?
New opening composition would be zergling/scourge. Iam thinking something more needs to be done though in zvz, since mass mutas->scourge most likely. Deponding how fast scourge gets that is.

Goals: make those mus less volatile

Thoughts?



2.)
Thoughts of making some u.i elements easier?
Terran: Marine/medic in same group, able to use stimpack.
Zerg: Able to control 16-24 zerglings in one group.
Protoss: Cant think of anything.
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
September 20 2017 14:23 GMT
#4136
Is there some issue where ctrl+click doesn't select all units of the same type? It's been really inconsistent for me, so I've just been drag selecting instead.
Coffeeling
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Finland250 Posts
September 20 2017 14:48 GMT
#4137
On September 20 2017 23:05 Foxxan wrote:
1.)
I would like a patch that at the very least try and adress pvp and zvz somewhat. In pvp, the korean suggestion that shield batteries can spot stealth units iam all for. Makes it more safe to expand.

In zvz, what if scourges moves faster when nearby/close to biological air units?
New opening composition would be zergling/scourge. Iam thinking something more needs to be done though in zvz, since mass mutas->scourge most likely. Deponding how fast scourge gets that is.

Goals: make those mus less volatile

Thoughts?


Changes are probably not happening, but even if they were, they should be as slight and as surgical as possible. Shield Battery detection is pretty good, it really only does work against Wraith/DT cheeses and I guess Lurkers but by and large targets DT harassment. With the scourge change do you mean when close to enemy bio air, ie. they "dash" into enemy mutas but behave as usual against T/P air?
Squee
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
September 20 2017 17:06 GMT
#4138
With the scourge change do you mean when close to enemy bio air, ie. they "dash" into enemy mutas but behave as usual against T/P air?

Something like that ,yes
shall_burn
Profile Joined January 2016
252 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-20 19:05:25
September 20 2017 18:30 GMT
#4139
On September 21 2017 02:06 Foxxan wrote:
Show nested quote +
With the scourge change do you mean when close to enemy bio air, ie. they "dash" into enemy mutas but behave as usual against T/P air?

Something like that ,yes

Muta micro is another beautiful feature of bw and takes skill to pull off. No need to take that away.
Besides, threre has been a nice zvz suggestion around for quite some time — give spores small aoe, so that muta packs take more damage from them. That, even if the game needs it, which is arguable!
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
September 20 2017 19:16 GMT
#4140
On September 20 2017 05:30 Alejandrisha wrote:
hd overlords have big ol vaginas

thanks for this post! :D
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