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thezanursic
5504 Posts
On May 05 2013 22:03 Sayle wrote: Qualifiers will be roughly seeded based on player skill level so that shouldn't really be a problem. How exactly will you do that? Please just leave it to luck. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On May 05 2013 22:03 Sayle wrote: Qualifiers will be roughly seeded based on player skill level so that shouldn't really be a problem. I don't really understand this point. There should be less variation in who qualifies once you get to the last qualifier. That will be true using any (sensible) point system. Are you saying someone should randomly be able to qualify with a Ro16 finish in the last qualifier? Then if players are seeded then there should be no worries of having lucky/easy brackets. Worst case scenario is that 4 qualified players are 2nd place finishers without participating other qualifiers. There needs to be somekind of longetivity who qualifies. But lets not argue this anymore, we will see how last qualifier day will come and how many has qualified without needing to participate at all. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
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Sayle
United Kingdom3685 Posts
On May 05 2013 22:27 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Worst case scenario is that 4 qualified players are 2nd place finishers without participating other qualifiers. There needs to be somekind of longetivity who qualifies. For a "worst case" that doesn't seem bad at all. Essentially, that would just make these qualifiers exactly the same as the TLS1 qualifiers where top 2 automatically qualified. We want to reward people for being good and winning, not for having the most free time. On May 05 2013 22:27 Too_MuchZerg wrote: But lets not argue this anymore, we will see how last qualifier day will come and how many has qualified without needing to participate at all. Again, I don't really see a problem here. I would assume that only the last 2-3 slots for points would be contested at the time of the last qualifier. So on the last day, we would already have 3 players qualified from wins and 5-6 qualified from points, leaving 3-4 slots to play for (one for the win and 2-3 from points). Seems perfectly reasonable to me. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
 my whole plan was to cheese my way to Ro16 four times XDI guess I should take this seriously as a chance to  how many people participated in each Qualifier last time? Should I expect cheese throughout the whole tournament? Is it possible to make it kinda far without running into a not-D level player? maybe I can magically improve to A level in one week :o | ||
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skzlime
Hungary462 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9571 Posts
On May 05 2013 22:57 traceurling wrote: Dammit why are you guys so smart my whole plan was to cheese my way to Ro16 four times XDI guess I should take this seriously as a chance to how many people participated in each Qualifier last time? Should I expect cheese throughout the whole tournament? Is it possible to make it kinda far without running into a not-D level player? maybe I can magically improve to A level in one week :oThere were on average 100 players playing in qualifiers. And it's bo1 all up until Ro8, so everything's possible  | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
On May 05 2013 23:03 2Pacalypse- wrote: There were on average 100 players playing in qualifiers. And it's bo1 all up until Ro8, so everything's possible So I'm guessing the tournament will start at Ro128 or Ro256 then? Also is it most likely going to last 3-4 hours for the winner since cast begins 3 hours later? Damn I just realized its two qualifiers per weekend gotta practice hard...maybe I can 4 pool my way all the way to Ro8 this is totally going to fuck me over for ap testing...also this will be 9am for west coast America, correct? Another tourney thread said something about daylight savings screwing up the time possibly, just making sure its correct here... | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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TehRei
Sweden261 Posts
glhfgg P.S. If you're a non-zerg player, please get to the finals. Thank you. | ||
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thezanursic
5504 Posts
On May 05 2013 20:32 Sayle wrote: While I do want to encourage more qualifier participation, I disagree with that general idea. It is far easier to luck your way into the Ro16 of a bunch of qualifiers than it is to get 2nd in just one of them. No offence to EnjoYmE, but he is a perfect example of that in TLS1. He's B- max and didn't really deserve to qualify over A- players like Octzerg and fLip, but just by playing in all of the quals and getting a few lucky brackets, he made it through. I think you've just missed an opportunity. I mean Enjoyme is a B- player, you are a B- player. Enjoyme is a protoss player, you are a protoss player. Enjoyme qualified for the TLS,... Do you see where I'm going? | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
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GoShox
United States1847 Posts
On May 05 2013 22:24 thezanursic wrote: How exactly will you do that? Please just leave it to luck. Yeah can this be explained please? | ||
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538
Hungary3932 Posts
Basically there are 16 seeds for a 28 player tournament! That makes for a very repetitive list of players, and does not encourage new talent trying out, and also robs the viewers of potential "unknown underdog" stories, which are such a characteristic of the foreign scene. Especially so with there being a championship event too (which I guess will be made up of the top finishers of these tournaments). Now that we have our 16 seeds, only 12 potentially new players will enter the pool for this second TLS, and at most an other 12 for the next - making the championship season a best-of-the-best tournment selected from what... 28 to 40 people? Doesn't sound right. Would any organizer care to offer a reasoning for this system in place? | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
Also, even if those people weren't seeded I would guess like 10 of them at least would qualify on their own so not a big differenxe | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9571 Posts
We enter notable players manually into the bracket, placing them roughly apart and rest of the bracket is filled randomly. On May 06 2013 05:58 538 wrote: I think there are too many seeded positions. Basically there are 16 seeds for a 28 player tournament! That makes for a very repetitive list of players, and does not encourage new talent trying out, and also robs the viewers of potential "unknown underdog" stories, which are such a characteristic of the foreign scene. Especially so with there being a championship event too (which I guess will be made up of the top finishers of these tournaments). Now that we have our 16 seeds, only 12 potentially new players will enter the pool for this second TLS, and at most an other 12 for the next - making the championship season a best-of-the-best tournment selected from what... 28 to 40 people? Doesn't sound right. Would any organizer care to offer a reasoning for this system in place? Well TLS is in Seasons now, which means we need to have some sense of continuity between them as they're connected. TLS aims to provide regular competition for best players in the foreign BW scene for as long as we can. Unknown underdog stories are still possible, but I don't think by artificially increasing the chances for underdogs to succeed will be beneficial to the overall quality of games. I don't see how having a repetitive list of players, when those players are best in the scene, is a bad thing. Some unknown players are good, but it's just up to us how we want the ratio to be and right now we decided with this ratio. However, keep in mind that this is our only second season so it's possible we might consider changing this in upcoming seasons. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
On May 06 2013 07:57 2Pacalypse- wrote: We enter notable players manually into the bracket, placing them roughly apart and rest of the bracket is filled randomly. Well TLS is in Seasons now, which means we need to have some sense of continuity between them as they're connected. TLS aims to provide regular competition for best players in the foreign BW scene for as long as we can. Unknown underdog stories are still possible, but I don't think by artificially increasing the chances for underdogs to succeed will be beneficial to the overall quality of games. I don't see how having a repetitive list of players, when those players are best in the scene, is a bad thing. Some unknown players are good, but it's just up to us how we want the ratio to be and right now we decided with this ratio. However, keep in mind that this is our only second season so it's possible we might consider changing this in upcoming seasons. Can we expect more than just four TLSs? Perhaps Four TLSs...every year!? :D also to satisfy the lesser known players, can you guys host smaller tournaments with a smaller prize pool where all the notables are not allowed to enter xD | ||
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