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Anyone here using this mouse??
Razer Krait is not a product to replace the Copperhead. Spotting a smaller sized body, and "only" 1600dpi, the Krait was not designed to be a First Person Shooter (FPS) mouse. The Razer Krait was being announced during World Cyber Games Grand Finals 2005 and we were told that the Krait is a mouse meant for Real Time Strategy (RTS) players. Probably due to the less demanding nature of RTS games, the Krait does not come with the similar cutting edge features found on the Copperhead. However, we believe the Krait is a product meant to replace Razer's aging Viper. To summarise, the Krait is a lower end mouse, targeting the mass market with a "wallet friendly" price tag. We'll address further on why we think so in the coming pages...
Here are some quick specifications on the Razer Krait:
Up to 1200 Actions Per Minute (APM)
1600 DPI Infrared Optical Engine Powered by Razer Precision Engine
3 independent programmable buttons optimized with Hyperesponse Technology for Ultra Tactile button feedback and maximum APM game play
16 bit Data Path, as compared to 8 and 12 bit data path used by conventional mice
Zero-Acoustic Ultrasleek Teflon feet
High Speed Motion Detection, up to 40 Instructions Per Sec / over 6600 Frames Per Sec
Always On mode pioneered by Razer - The Infrared Optical Engine Sensor that never powers down, providing instantaneous response at all times during game play
Award Winning Razer drivers featuring on the fly sensitivity DPI adjustment pioneered by Razer
Non Slip Side Rails
Ergonomics Ambidextrous Design
Ultra Large Non Slip rubber coated mouse buttons
Gold Plated USB connector for Maximum Conductance
7 foot Lightweight, Non Tangle Cord
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ah, this mouse looks sexy.
If it's just as good as the Diamondback, I want one.
I just checked the price, it's $39.99, and the Diamondback in $79.99.
I'm guessing WCG will use it this year, hopefully along with Razers new keyboard and headphones.
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Oh, it's 10 dollars cheaper here in China, looks like i should get one.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wow damn that looks sEXY.. shit i wanna get one now O _O_O-
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Read the post about Krait but they tested on WC 3 , not SC ._.? My choice is still KTEC KTM 6500 ._.
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
with a mouse like that i don't think anyone could suck at any games
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"Probably due to the less demanding nature of RTS games, the Krait does not come with the similar cutting edge features found on the Copperhead."
BAN!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
oh wtf is '1200 apm' anyway...how the hell does someone even click that fast -.- even nada with hotkeys is like 500apm max xD
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KT.MGW)Herimto f.ex
some G.s) guys are fast too ~~
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On April 08 2006 06:25 Hot77.iEy wrote:
"Probably due to the less demanding nature of RTS games, the Krait does not come with the similar cutting edge features found on the Copperhead."
BAN!
No good Starcraft players I know use the Copperhead for SC on a regular basis.
I find the it being better for WoW players.
The Diamondback is used regularly, I was using the Viper for a little over a year until it wanted to not work good anymore, and I sold my 4 Copperheads on ebay.
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The buttons are HUGE! Half the mouse is taken up by buttonspace. Seems like it might be annoying.
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why does razer have a new mouse every 4 months?
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On April 08 2006 06:29 alffla wrote:
oh wtf is '1200 apm' anyway...how the hell does someone even click that fast -.- even nada with hotkeys is like 500apm max xD
You meant average APM?
Progamers like Nada at some points can reach more than 1000 APM. But maybe more than half are from keyboard. Anyway I think it'll help *insane* players to make more faster & sensitive clicks. This also means the buttons are more durable for super fast massive clicks.
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The Krait is basically Diamondback without side buttons; I wouldn't buy it unless there is a big price difference between it and the Diamondback.
Copperhead is overpriced for what it is right now- a 2000dpi Diamondback, whoop-dee-do.
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It was just released, the retail price is RMB240 in china, which is $30. Almost the same price as G1. Look forward to some SCer's review on it.
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Here's some pictures of the Krait, when compared against the Copperhead:
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Nice move by Razer. I don't need any of the shit thats on copperhead/viper for their price, but this is just right 
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is awesome32274 Posts
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so they throw out the word APM a few times and everyone jumps aboard
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i'm thinking i'll buy it. i've been considering a razer mouse for a while cuz i dont feel like my current mouse is fast enough. but the razer mice are cheap and are not specifically designed with what i look for in a starcraft mouse. however the krait has the design that i like and its price is much more reasonable than other models... too bad orange is the only color
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yea ktec make nice mouses but they tend to be ugly ):
I've never seen Razer mouses beeing sold over here in Australia
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 08 2006 07:47 mrdx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2006 06:29 alffla wrote:
oh wtf is '1200 apm' anyway...how the hell does someone even click that fast -.- even nada with hotkeys is like 500apm max xD You meant average APM? Progamers like Nada at some points can reach more than 1000 APM. But maybe more than half are from keyboard. Anyway I think it'll help *insane* players to make more faster & sensitive clicks. This also means the buttons are more durable for super fast massive clicks.
no, i dont think anyone can actually get 1000 apm ..not even nada. lol i have so many replays of progamers (e.g xellos / nada / whatever high apm people) and never are their max apms even near 1000..
i was bored once and i started a game and set a hotkey, and held on to the key for like 5 minutes and i only got 1200apm~ -_-
so wtf is "1200apm" mouse? everytime you click once it counts as 2 clicks? -_-;
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On April 08 2006 07:23 Musli wrote:
KT.MGW)Herimto f.ex
some G.s) guys are fast too ~~
Jesus fucking christ... Herimto hotkey assigns... he's not fast, he just literally holds the buttons down (on his keyboard) and his APM skyrockets.
Anyways, to keep on topic... I really like the way this mouse looks, and I'll probably get one (I've been wanting to get an optical mouse for a while now).
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Razer Diamondback is awesome. That Krait mouse might a little too small (for me at least)
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Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!!
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51450 Posts
it doesn't really matter, but if you really liked the shape of the MS IE 3.0 Mouse then definitely get the Habu.
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that's what i leaning towards but when i look sounds like ms made the drivers for it which kinda scares me lol!! I guess i could always take it back.
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On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!!
Higher DPI does not make it better - in fact, for Starcraft, it makes it WORSE. You're just going to have to turn it down to 400/800 anyway, so don't fall victim to silly marketing. The Krait is indeed much the same shape, but it is a bit smaller. The size makes it a bit easier for a finger-grip or claw grip.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!!
hey guys which overpriced unnecessary gaming mouse should i buy even though i play best with this mouse i already have???
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On July 21 2009 14:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!! hey guys which overpriced unnecessary gaming mouse should i buy even though i play best with this mouse i already have???
Haha damn that was witty. Thanks for the lol
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I don't think anyone can physically reach 500 APM with spam clicking alone. I personally only get around 270 this way and even some pros like Jaedong stay under 450 most of the time during their most click-intensive plays (such as Mutalisk micro'ing).
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i have been using a krait for several years now (so im biased) but i love this mouse. 40$ makes it easy to replace and mine has yet to break in the face of reasonably heavy use. the shape i think is what turns most people off of the mouse but since you are looking at other razer mice anyway i guess thats not a problem. i reccomend krait over the habu because it costs less, and dpi (as has been mentioned) is not needed really. also i remember an article awhile back where it was proven with SCIENCE that laser mice were a waste of money at this point.
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On July 21 2009 14:16 Ronald_McD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 14:07 GrandInquisitor wrote:On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!! hey guys which overpriced unnecessary gaming mouse should i buy even though i play best with this mouse i already have??? Haha damn that was witty. Thanks for the lol
LoL i figured since i liked the ie feel that maybe the habu is the one to go with this copperhead has just been a little too far of a reach on the fingers i think.. i dunno lol Really 400-800 dpi? lmao whats best setting?
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Krait has an unique shape, very high speed and really solid precision once you get the hang of it. It's to heavy for my taste though.
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I have this mouse if one day I break my Logitech Mini Optic. Its a good mouse.
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i use it its ok for starcraft and it sucks HARDCORE when i play counter strike but it goes well
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I use krait, it's really nice mouse for SC, light, fits my hand perfectly. Nothing bad about it imo, plan on getting another when this one deicdes to start dying ;;
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On July 21 2009 16:06 geegee1 wrote:
i use it its ok for starcraft and it sucks HARDCORE when i play counter strike but it goes well
Other than the shape, the issue must be you. The Krait has perfect control up to 1.78 m/s (70 inches per second) and does not produce malfunctioning results until 3.84 m/s (151 inches per second). The description in the OP about this mouse being bad for FPS games is absurd in every way. It is, however, a bit small for a palm style.
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On July 21 2009 13:59 Vedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!! Higher DPI does not make it better - in fact, for Starcraft, it makes it WORSE. You're just going to have to turn it down to 400/800 anyway, so don't fall victim to silly marketing. The Krait is indeed much the same shape, but it is a bit smaller. The size makes it a bit easier for a finger-grip or claw grip.
wat?
i'm pretty sure the higher the DPI, the better it is in all cases. RTS games just dont need as much precision as FPS games.
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On July 21 2009 18:56 paper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 13:59 Vedic wrote:On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!! Higher DPI does not make it better - in fact, for Starcraft, it makes it WORSE. You're just going to have to turn it down to 400/800 anyway, so don't fall victim to silly marketing. The Krait is indeed much the same shape, but it is a bit smaller. The size makes it a bit easier for a finger-grip or claw grip. wat? i'm pretty sure the higher the DPI, the better it is in all cases. RTS games just dont need as much precision as FPS games.
DPI is not precision - it's dots per inch. Being able to register 2000 pixels in an inch while you are running a game in 800x600 is overkill in every way. Realistically, for serious gaming, you should be using 400-800 at max. This applies to every game, not just FPS games.
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On April 08 2006 08:46 racebannon wrote:
so they throw out the word APM a few times and everyone jumps aboard
you have to market to your audience
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On July 21 2009 19:04 Vedic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 18:56 paper wrote:On July 21 2009 13:59 Vedic wrote:On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!! Higher DPI does not make it better - in fact, for Starcraft, it makes it WORSE. You're just going to have to turn it down to 400/800 anyway, so don't fall victim to silly marketing. The Krait is indeed much the same shape, but it is a bit smaller. The size makes it a bit easier for a finger-grip or claw grip. wat? i'm pretty sure the higher the DPI, the better it is in all cases. RTS games just dont need as much precision as FPS games. DPI is not precision - it's dots per inch. Being able to register 2000 pixels in an inch while you are running a game in 800x600 is overkill in every way. Realistically, for serious gaming, you should be using 400-800 at max. This applies to every game, not just FPS games.
Ever thought about keeping the precision high and lowering the mouse pointer speed?
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Uhm, Krait is like the best mouse for SC, I like things minimal and I only need 2 buttons to play SC.....
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It's a great mouse. Been using it for several months now without a problem. Reacts on command, is really steady and the simple model (just 2 buttons and a scroll) minimizes the risk of unnessary missclicks. It's really cheap compared to other mice out there, reaching almost half the prize of many high tech laser mice. It also looks really cool, specially for a zerg player.
I tried a copperhead that cost roughly $50-60 but just one minute of gameplay made me figure that it's impossible to play with that laser technology. A half that prize optical Krait was a catch!
To people saying that it sucks for playing counter-strike I will have to agree to a degree. It surely doesnt suck since the aim is really steady, but you cant really do those quick aggressive moves that you do so often. I would go for a bigger mouse if I were to play FPS.
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On July 21 2009 19:44 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 19:04 Vedic wrote:On July 21 2009 18:56 paper wrote:On July 21 2009 13:59 Vedic wrote:On July 21 2009 13:19 Cole2008 wrote:
Ok since I can't post my own topic 3 day trial for new members..
I got a razer copperhead which uses laser. They have a mouse out called the krait which is supposed to be for rts which uses optical. I was looking and they both are the same exact shape besides mine goes up to 2000 dpi instead of 1800.
But everyone's talking about the krait like its great.. whats the difference would optical be better then laser for rts?
Also I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Razer Habu i'm thinking about replacing my copperhead and I've always loved the way the ms ie mouse was designed the feel of the grip and all.. its laser and uses upto 2000 dpi.
Any suggestions? So far ive liked my copperhead but it just feels like when i play with my old ie mouse i get more accurate clicking on splitting and micro.
Basicly Habu or Krait??!! Higher DPI does not make it better - in fact, for Starcraft, it makes it WORSE. You're just going to have to turn it down to 400/800 anyway, so don't fall victim to silly marketing. The Krait is indeed much the same shape, but it is a bit smaller. The size makes it a bit easier for a finger-grip or claw grip. wat? i'm pretty sure the higher the DPI, the better it is in all cases. RTS games just dont need as much precision as FPS games. DPI is not precision - it's dots per inch. Being able to register 2000 pixels in an inch while you are running a game in 800x600 is overkill in every way. Realistically, for serious gaming, you should be using 400-800 at max. This applies to every game, not just FPS games. Ever thought about keeping the precision high and lowering the mouse pointer speed?
If you were to use high sensitivity with low DPI, you end up with skipped pixels. If you use low sensitivity with high DPI, you cannot fall below the minimum (in this case, 1600 pixels) without having missed movements. As you can tell, both of these are equally bad for accuracy. The only proper choice you can make with a high DPI would be using a standard 1:1 sensitivity to movement, with a very large display. Using a large display could justify a high DPI, but you'd need a resolution with a native 2000 width or more to make any real use of it. Since it'd be LCD, you'd already be struggling with input lag, and mouse DPI would be the least of your issues.
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i use razer krait and its awesome . Really small , slick and fast mouse , only 2 buttons are enough for me . I had a Fatal1ty mouse before my krait , it was also a good mouse , but not as good as Krait is .
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What surface are you lads using along with the Krait?
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salmosa is smaller, faster than krait.
i have both. i used to swear by the krait... but after trying the salmosa once i never went back.
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Been using a Microsoft Laser Mouse 6000 for 2+ years now that cost me $30 for all game types (I play a lot of CS) and have no issues with it.
I dunno, some of these mice just seem like overkill. The one in the OP isn't too bad though. Maybe if I started playing with a $100 mouse I'd feel a difference in my FPS games...
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 17 2009 16:05 Corrupt wrote:
What surface are you lads using along with the Krait?
the Sphex, it's fuckin crazy its like 0.24mm thick and adheres to your desk but it doesnt leave gunk on it and you can relocate it fuck how the fuck did they make this thing
also its like 15 bucks
but i use a salmosa (and work for razer ehehhehahe ahehaheahe)
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On August 17 2009 16:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 16:05 Corrupt wrote:
What surface are you lads using along with the Krait? the Sphex, it's fuckin crazy its like 0.24mm thick and adheres to your desk but it doesnt leave gunk on it and you can relocate it fuck how the fuck did they make this thing also its like 15 bucks but i use a salmosa (and work for razer ehehhehahe ahehaheahe)
Hmm.. well I bought the Razer "Destructor" recently, was just wondering if I made a decent purchase among all the neat-o mouse pads. It was also sorta expensive too.. =P
Oho you work for Razer, tell me something - is the Salmosa that good of a choice? Last week I was on the birthday of a close friend of mine and I desperately tryed to convince the guys to buy him a Salmosa as a present. Well.. we ended giving him a huge pipe along with a nice, plump plastic-bag with weed.. but yeah.. Salmosa.. atleast I tryed. =\
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Has anyone tryed Steelseries Kinzu? that should be rival to krait/salmosa.. I need new mouse and wondering which is better, salmosa or kinzu
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 17 2009 17:29 Corrupt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2009 16:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On August 17 2009 16:05 Corrupt wrote:
What surface are you lads using along with the Krait? the Sphex, it's fuckin crazy its like 0.24mm thick and adheres to your desk but it doesnt leave gunk on it and you can relocate it fuck how the fuck did they make this thing also its like 15 bucks but i use a salmosa (and work for razer ehehhehahe ahehaheahe) Hmm.. well I bought the Razer "Destructor" recently, was just wondering if I made a decent purchase among all the neat-o mouse pads. It was also sorta expensive too.. =P Oho you work for Razer, tell me something - is the Salmosa that good of a choice? Last week I was on the birthday of a close friend of mine and I desperately tryed to convince the guys to buy him a Salmosa as a present. Well.. we ended giving him a huge pipe along with a nice, plump plastic-bag with weed.. but yeah.. Salmosa.. atleast I tryed. =\
hahaha i use a salmosa to play sc but i like the present he got better 
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On August 17 2009 16:05 Corrupt wrote:
What surface are you lads using along with the Krait?
Razer Mantis Control edition. Works perfectly. i <3 Razer
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the main reason why this mouse is made for RTS games, is bcuz its got a smaller shape than the piece of crap copperhead, and it doesnt use a laser sensor, so if you make fast movements, the cursor wont spazz out
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