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On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.
Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War... ROTFLMFAO They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit. As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars. Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2? Optimism my friend  . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope. I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed. They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after. In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol). Show nested quote +Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed. I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.
I just want to point out the prize pool is
1st: 4million won
2nd: 2 million won
3rd: 1 million won
the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500...
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Terrible news, fuck Blizzard for doing it like this T_T
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On November 15 2012 02:26 Lucumo wrote:
Terrible news, fuck Blizzard for doing it like this T_T
It looks like the higher powers up in blizzard are intervening so there's still hope.
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Mike Morhaime @mikemorhaime
@SaintSnorlax Our team is reaching out to them to give them permission to continue.
Things are looking like they might turn around.
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Sweden2870 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:25 JohnChoi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.
Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War... ROTFLMFAO They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit. As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars. Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2? Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope. I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed. They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after. In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol). Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed. I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense. I just want to point out the prize pool is 1st: 4million won 2nd: 2 million won 3rd: 1 million won the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500...
Very well.
But still:
1 Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).
2 Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)
3 They waited until the finals before doing anything.
4 They are sending (or at the very least publicly stated that they are considering sending) copyright notices to Brood War streams on Afreeca, but have never sent in such a notice to any private StarCraft 2 stream, despite StarCraft 2 generating more ad revenue from streaming.
So they're still assholes.
Also, damn, $6400 prize pool. I know this is old news, but I'm impressed and surprised.
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Blizzard saving SC2 the only way they know how.
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On November 15 2012 02:33 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 02:25 JohnChoi wrote:On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.
Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War... ROTFLMFAO They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit. As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars. Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2? Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope. I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed. They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after. In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol). Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed. I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense. I just want to point out the prize pool is 1st: 4million won 2nd: 2 million won 3rd: 1 million won the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500... Very well. But still: Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it). Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000) They waited until the finals before doing anything. So they're still assholes. Also, damn, $6400 prize pool. I know this is old news, but I'm impressed and surprised.
haha vodtoastive been saying this same thing since page 1 im not trying argue with you just pointing out some facts  ive said it before in previous posts but this isnt the first tournament with a sponsor and a prize pool over 500$. its just the timing blizzard decided to intervene.. just days before a pretty major finals and the they simultaneously slam down TWO licenses that you need to pay for.. i dont think i could ever think oh blizzars found out just now its just bad timing.. i cant help but think this is all planned out.. it just straight up looks like they are trying to prevent sonic from carrying out a bw final T-T it makes me so sad
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man this thread escalated quickly
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Sweden2870 Posts
On November 15 2012 02:39 JohnChoi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 02:33 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 02:25 JohnChoi wrote:On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.
Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War... ROTFLMFAO They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit. As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars. Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2? Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope. I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed. They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after. In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol). Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed. I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense. I just want to point out the prize pool is 1st: 4million won 2nd: 2 million won 3rd: 1 million won the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500... Very well. But still: Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it). Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000) They waited until the finals before doing anything. So they're still assholes. Also, damn, $6400 prize pool. I know this is old news, but I'm impressed and surprised. haha vodtoastive been saying this same thing since page 1 im not trying argue with you just pointing out some facts ive said it before in previous posts but this isnt the first tournament with a sponsor and a prize pool over 500$. its just the timing blizzard decided to intervene.. just days before a pretty major finals and the they simultaneously slam down TWO licenses that you need to pay for.. i dont think i could ever think oh blizzars found out just now its just bad timing.. i cant help but think this is all planned out.. it just straight up looks like they are trying to prevent sonic from carrying out a bw final T-T it makes me so sad
Thanks for letting me know about the prize pool. I like being aware of facts.
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First, let me skip the flame part, my English is not good enough for it.
Second, I stay away from calling SC2 the reason for it, Blizzard has definitely stronger competitors ATM, and should care for them. There are lot of brainless games with millions of supporters they should consider dangerous to their simplified stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +About a year ago I was considering a purchase of SC2. Not any more, they are going no place, I would like to find myself in. This is unfortunately the general market trend. Quite a long time ago, top players were making unbelievable things with Quake 3 Railguns, while Auto-Aim was considered a hack and insta-banned. Now it is a standard. Let me quote famous Polish poet: ...A beautiful church
But [there is] no God inside
Third there is a lot of job for legal department here. But first there must be a community to be a contracting party. And we should make one.
Finally, I wonder how much are the full and exclusive owner rights for StarCraft Brood War?. Perhaps Blizzard does not deserve to have it anymore? How much does it cost to make it public property - once and forever? To wipe out Blizzard name from the box? It is neither supported, nor developed. So perhaps they may like to sell it once and for all?
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Wow this is sooo disappointing to hear. I wonder how Sonic feels TtT
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United States1719 Posts
YESSSSSSSSS MIKE MORHAIME SAYS BLIZZ IS TRYING TO REACH SONIC TO GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO CONTINUE
WHOooOoOoOoOOOOOO
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wait, you're telling me, blizzard aren't dicks and this probably happened outside of the scope of Blizzard HQ, and probably didn't realize how important/big this tournament was and how shitty the timing was because they're legal department != their esports department!
wow, blizzard sure are dicks!
bet you haters feel stupid now.
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On November 15 2012 01:47 Bagi wrote:
The hyperbole in this thread is just astounding. Are you people capable of rational thought?
You are poking the bear here sir.
This tournament is the jewel in the crown of the amateur scene revival for this game. Blocking it would be a very bitter blow, probably even more so than the enforced switch of Proleague and OSL to sc2.
This tournament is important to people.
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Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.
TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
REally Blizzard? lol. This is ridiculous. And I don't even watch BW anymore...
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i really really hope things work out well.. mike seems like a really chill guy!
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Also, to be honest, if this is the reaction they get for a minor licencing issue (they happen all the time) then I'd be of the opinion that I WOULD kill BW just to irritate people who clearly hate their company. Frankly, I wouldn't do anything for any of you.
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On November 15 2012 03:09 Evangelist wrote:
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.
TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.
yea .... that's why they had forced shutdowns of BW leagues, and are sending in a copyright notice for BW streams on Afreeca (but not SC2). Yea they really think BW still being played and loved is soooo awesome.. yep.
It'd be cool if Mike fixed things up in the end, but in the end Blizzard is still a massive dick for trying to shut it down to begin with.
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