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Last Edited: 2012-11-15 02:57:18
November 14 2012 07:43 GMT
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Update (2012-11-15 11:50)

On November 15 2012 11:50 JohnChoi wrote:
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이번 결승전 사태에 있어. 미숙했던 대회운영에 대해서 다시 한번 사과드리구요.
마크 모하임 사장님에게 다시 한번 감사드립니다.ㅠㅠ
팀리퀴드 스타1 팬분들들 및 우리 시청자분들. 이런일이 터지고 나서 저한테 조언 해주셧던 모든 분들에게 감사의 말씀 드리겠습니다)
8차 라이센스까지 딸수 있을것 같고 모든게 술술 잘 풀릴것 같습니다.
현재 대관취소로 인해. 다시 알아보고 있구. 취소 되었던 부분들..하나씩 다시 이야기 하고 있는 중입니다.
정확한 일정은 오늘 공지를 통해 말씀 드리겠습니다.ㅠㅠ
블리자드 코리아에서 결승 잘하라고 연락 받았구. 마크모하임 사장님께서 저렇게 트위터까지 남긴거보니. 아직 스타1 팬들과 함께 할수 있는게 너무 많은것 같습니다.
정말 말도 안되는 이례적인 일이라고 하시더라구요.
말도 안되는 이례적인 일들을 우리가 해내고 있는 부분이니. 미숙한 대회 진행 안하고. 제대로 된 진행해서 다시 달려보시죠!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
뭔가 이 드라마 같은 상황속에 저도 막 손이 떨릴 정도로 기쁩니다!

Regarding the situation with the finals, I apologize for my lack of experience in handling this matter.
I would like to thank CEO Mike Morhaime once again. T_T
Teamliquid's brood war fans and afreeca viewers, thank you for the good advice and suggestions you gave me as I was going about trying to fix this issue.
I will most likely be able to obtain a license for the 8th SSL and everything will run smooth from here on.
Regarding the cancellation of the location and the cancellation of the guests that were to appear, I am taking care of the situation one by one.
Details will be posted on my afreeca page T_T.
Blizzard Korea has contacted us saying we have the OK to run the finals and Mike Morhaime himself cared enough to leave a tweet. It makes me believe there are still so many things we (Sonic and BW fans) can accomplish together.
We are pioneering something so unprecedented, so I will learn from my mistakes (of being inexperience in this matter) and carry out the finals as smoothly and orderly as possible!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
It feels like a scene from a drama, my hands feel like they are shaking from happiness!

again very rough translation..

edit: i also forgot to WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *pours beer on pusan head* WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D





Update (2012-11-15 06:52)

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Original Post

Only posted a rough translation, hopefully someone else will fully clarify.

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안녕하세요. BJ 소닉입니다.
우선 마음 아픈글을 쓰게 되어 굉장히 죄송하고. 제 자신의 한계를 느낀점에 있어..매우 속상하고 답답합니다.
누구보다 준비하면서 설레이고..기대했었는데.
블리자드 쪽에서 공문이 날라왔습니다.
현재 개인방송으로. 송출 자체가 안되는 상황이라. 결승전 및. 다음리그까지 문제가 생길것 같습니다.
블리자드 코리아랑 이야기를 해서. 우선 결승전 라이센스와 방송 라이센스까지 동시에 따야 하는 상황이라. 조건들도 엄청 까다롭고. 지금 2일 남은 결승전 갑자기 전화가 와서.
지금 이야기중에 있습니다.
승인 여부는. 이번주까지 절대 답변을 못 받을것 같아서.. 현재 캔슬이 된 상황이며.. 개인BJ로써 진행을 한다고 해도 전혀 말이 안통하는 상황입니다.
현재 걸어놓은 계약금이며, 피해도 어마어마한 상황에 이런일까지 닥치고.. 너무 마음이 아픕니다.
저도 이곳저곳..알아보면서 계속 어떻게든 풀어보려고 노력 하고 있는 상황이구요.
결승전 섭외부터 시작해서. 지금 모든게 완벽히 끝난 상황에 이런일이 생겨버리니..진짜 말 그대로 멘붕상태입니다.
스타1의 라이센스를 따기 위해. 더 많은 금액도 들어갈거고. 스타1 자체를 제 방송에서 진행하기가 힘든 상황에 있어.. 개인BJ로써 제가 어떤식으로 대처를 해야 할지도 모르겠구.. 그냥..하....
우선 계속 저두 노력하고.. 공지 띄우도록 하겠습니다.
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.
블리자드는 라이센스 따려면 적어도 2주가 걸리는데 이번주 자체는 진행을 못하게 해버리네요..
아.......

우선.라이센스 2개 따는 문제와. 결승전 추후 공지를 검토 하고 올려드리겠습니다.


결승전은.라이센스 따기전까진.아무것도 못합니다..
신발팜 사무실도. 또는 온라인 방송으로도..


On November 14 2012 16:46 JohnChoi wrote:
I tried my best to translate it..
+ Show Spoiler +

Hi, Its BJ Sonic
First off, I apologize for having to deliver sad news. The feeling of having reached my limit.. makes me very discouraged.
As I was preparing this finals, I was just as if not more so uneasy and in anticipation.
Currently, streaming starcraft in restricted. The finals and the starleague to come are put in a diffcult situation.
I spoke with Blizzard Korea, In order to broadcast I need buy a license to host the finals and one to broadcast. The conditions are also very meticulous/picky. Only two the until the final and I get this call..
I am currently in the process of negotiating.
I most likely won't get an approval by this weekend.. The starleague has to be canceled for now.. I want to host the finals as just an individual broadcasting jockey (I think he means not tied to Afreeca/Nowcom) but no real message is getting through.
There are already contracts that are in place, and big losses in funds and to top it off this.. My heart aches.
I am in the process of tirelessly looking for some kind of solution.
Having found a location for the finals, everything was set up and managed so well but this situation happened.. I am really in a state of shock.
It's going to take an even bigger amount of funds to buy licenses for Brood War. It's become incredibly difficult to even broadcast Brood War on my Afreeca stream.
As a broadcasting jockey, I'm not sure how to even handle this situation.. Just..sigh..
First, I will continue to give it my all.. I will continue to keep you all updated.
Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..
In order to obtain a Blizzard License it'll take approximately 2 weeks.. it would be impossible to obtain a license within this week (for the finals).

To begin with, there's the issue of obtaining 2 licenses.. I will continue to update you all.

Until I obtain a license for the finals I am not able to do anything.
Whether its the SinbalFarm Offline or the Online Broadcast..



Source: http://live.afreeca.com:8080/app/read_bbs.cgi?szBjId=sogoodtt&nStationNo=55614&nBbsNo=&nTitleNo=53586614&nRowNum=15&szSkin=&nPageNo=1&szOnlyNotice=N

On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l
On November 14 2012 18:56 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l

The last part of it made me emotional and saw it wasn't translated, so I just took the liberty of doing it

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

Any sort of losses incurred from contracts and etc. associated with the tournament, I feel is my responsibility and will take care of it, [even though] I hate myself for it ㅠㅠ However, let's hope this isn't the end. Let's get everything approved officially, and get back up ㅠㅠ!
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 14 2012 07:46 GMT
#2
:|

it's like blizzard wants koreans to not play anything but LoL!
dats racist
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 14:17:26
November 14 2012 07:46 GMT
#3
Edit: wasn't in the greatest state of mind when I said this.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 07:48:18
November 14 2012 07:46 GMT
#4
I tried my best to translate it..
+ Show Spoiler +

Hi, Its BJ Sonic
First off, I apologize for having to deliver sad news. The feeling of having reached my limit.. makes me very discouraged.
As I was preparing this finals, I was just as if not more so uneasy and in anticipation.
Currently, streaming starcraft in restricted. The finals and the starleague to come are put in a diffcult situation.
I spoke with Blizzard Korea, In order to broadcast I need buy a license to host the finals and one to broadcast. The conditions are also very meticulous/picky. Only two the until the final and I get this call..
I am currently in the process of negotiating.
I most likely won't get an approval by this weekend.. The starleague has to be canceled for now.. I want to host the finals as just an individual broadcasting jockey (I think he means not tied to Afreeca/Nowcom) but no real message is getting through.
There are already contracts that are in place, and big losses in funds and to top it off this.. My heart aches.
I am in the process of tirelessly looking for some kind of solution.
Having found a location for the finals, everything was set up and managed so well but this situation happened.. I am really in a state of shock.
It's going to take an even bigger amount of funds to buy licenses for Brood War. It's become incredibly difficult to even broadcast Brood War on my Afreeca stream.
As a broadcasting jockey, I'm not sure how to even handle this situation.. Just..sigh..
First, I will continue to give it my all.. I will continue to keep you all updated.
Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..
In order to obtain a Blizzard License it'll take approximately 2 weeks.. it would be impossible to obtain a license within this week (for the finals).

To begin with, there's the issue of obtaining 2 licenses.. I will continue to update you all.

Until I obtain a license for the finals I am not able to do anything.
Whether its the SinbalFarm Offline or the Online Broadcast..


edit: IM SO SAD T-T HOW CAN THEY DO THIS.
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
November 14 2012 07:47 GMT
#5
WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS.

(Full disclosure: I know *why* they would do it. It's just an utter dick move. What, this group of BW diehards are taking away from potential HOTS sales?)
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 07:49:28
November 14 2012 07:47 GMT
#6
Is Blizzard trying to kill BW? I don't understand why they would even do this. Why do they have an issue with Nowcom? I thought they encourage online streaming.

I'm actually very disappointed with Blizzard because of this. I was thinking of buying/pre-ordering HotS but this is putting me off from supporting Blizzard financially.
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Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
November 14 2012 07:48 GMT
#7
On November 14 2012 16:47 Yaqoob wrote:
Is Blizzard trying to kill BW? I don't understand why they would even do this. Why do they have an issue with Nowcom? I thought they encourage online streaming.


Every second devoted to BW is a second not dedicated to SC2, apparently...
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 07:50 GMT
#8
On November 14 2012 16:48 Funnytoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 16:47 Yaqoob wrote:
Is Blizzard trying to kill BW? I don't understand why they would even do this. Why do they have an issue with Nowcom? I thought they encourage online streaming.


Every second devoted to BW is a second not dedicated to SC2, apparently...


this is just silly I mean seriously I'm truly disgusted by this.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 07:50 GMT
#9
words cannot describe how I am feeling right now. To say that I'm incredibly fuckin upset, angry, depressed and sad is a huge understatement. Just .....................................................

I am requesting a 2 day ban.

User was temp banned for this post.
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 07:51:20
November 14 2012 07:50 GMT
#10
What the fucking fuck. I fucking hate Blizzard. No one wants to play your goddamn Starcraft 2 from this players and no streamviewers from SSL will watch Starcraft 2 instead, because you do this.

Why don't they fucking let Broodwar alone. They already killed it off and now try to diminish the rest brave organizers. I ll bet these c**ts will also soon try to convince TeamLiquid to shut down BW forums. For gods sake, these a**holes.

-____________- tt ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

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Sorry for bad language, but I hope you understand my need for this -_-
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sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
November 14 2012 07:51 GMT
#11
.......
what.....
........
the........
.......
FUCK!!!!!!
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
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Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 07:52:50
November 14 2012 07:52 GMT
#12
fuck u blizzard

(may karma catch up with you -- and i think it is ...slowly)
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
November 14 2012 07:52 GMT
#13
blizzard -could- try to make sc2 not a piece of shit game...

or they can just shit on bw cause apparently that's much easier than actually making your shit game less shit

cause, you know, bw is totally what's killing sc2 l0l
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1974 Posts
November 14 2012 07:53 GMT
#14
Blizzard does it again. Sad story, but i wont watch sc2 instead. Sorry Blizzard your cheap tactics dont work.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 07:54 GMT
#15
On November 14 2012 16:50 chrisolo wrote:
What the fucking fuck. I fucking hate Blizzard. No one wants to play your goddamn Starcraft 2 from this players and no streamviewers from SSL will watch Starcraft 2 instead, because you do this.

Why don't they fucking let Broodwar alone. They already killed it off and now try to diminish the rest brave organizers. I ll bet these c**ts will also soon try to convince TeamLiquid to shut down BW forums. For gods sake, these a**holes.

-____________- tt ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry for bad language, but I hope you understand my need for this -_-


I believe TL would sooner switch to purely DoTA2 then shut down the BW forums if they gave them such an ultimatum.
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Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 14 2012 07:54 GMT
#16
Seriously what the actual F***!!!!!!?????
They killed off BW pro-scene, now they want to even kill off the amateur scene?!
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!!!! Thank goodness SC2 turned out unpopular in Korea and plenty of people dislike it.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 14 2012 07:56 GMT
#17
FUCK BLIZZARD

I will make sure to bring this to any Blizzard representative I meet this week end during WCS finals.
I'm even thinking of making an un-cheerful sign in the crowd, and if the camera man is a Chinese dude who put on the stream every sign in English he sees.
ॐ
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 07:56 GMT
#18
dam all the money sonic is just LOSING too.. he put so much money into this.. contracts for renting out the venue all the people he arranged to show up.. all the sponsors too they are undoubtly gonna have to drop sponsorship which means theres no guarantee for 8th SSL.. sonic literally donated every last penny he made from afreeca balloons and he took money out of his own pocket to breathe life into this and it was getting bigger and bigger and blizzard had to step in and trample it.. i dont understand why they would do such a thing..
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 07:56 GMT
#19
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:
I am requesting a 2 day ban.


I really don't think you should do this.
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
November 14 2012 07:57 GMT
#20
I am so fucking dissapointed by that that I need to make another post.

SC2 is so fucking bad, even in 100 years balancing and stuff, it could not even try to be as good as BW.

Maybe we should try to make a topic on Battle.Net and show our hate towards that. But I guess that will make them even more convinced to shut down BW completly.

I am so fucking glad that ICC and Fish are actually still up. I guess they already tried to take them down.

fuck this shit.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Pisko.
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
November 14 2012 07:58 GMT
#21
disgusting
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19349 Posts
November 14 2012 07:58 GMT
#22
The Empire strikes again

even though i am only a single person, but i will devote the rest of my life on hating your sc2 and post sc2 products blizzard. I HATE YOU
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51456 Posts
November 14 2012 08:00 GMT
#23
Please do not turn this into a SC2 bashing thread.
Commentator
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
November 14 2012 08:01 GMT
#24
Why not? This is all about BW bashing because of SC2. I am just curious why would Blizzard do this, if not for SC2. Please let us be dissapointed and rant about it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:05:54
November 14 2012 08:03 GMT
#25
what

the fuck

On November 14 2012 17:01 chrisolo wrote:
Why not? This is all about BW bashing because of SC2. I am just curious why would Blizzard do this, if not for SC2. Please let us be dissapointed and rant about it.

in all seriousness, i dont see how blizz can legitimately think that shutting down bw leagues will make sc2 more popular. the people who are still in bw rather than sc2 have obviously made a conscious decision to NOT play sc2 (therefore their priority should be fixing sc2 rather than killing bw). like someone else said, it's as if they want everyone in korea to play LoL or something.
:)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 08:04 GMT
#26
On November 14 2012 17:01 chrisolo wrote:
Why not? This is all about BW bashing because of SC2. I am just curious why would Blizzard do this, if not for SC2. Please let us be dissapointed and rant about it.


innocent until proven guilty...we do not know if its because of SC2 unless its been proved to be so.

not saying its not because of that either, because even I'm pretty sure of it but his point still stands.
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AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 14 2012 08:05 GMT
#27
No fucking way...
John 15:13
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1974 Posts
November 14 2012 08:06 GMT
#28
they destroyed the pro scene cause of sc2, so its much likely that they do the same here with amateur scene.
Total Annihilation Zero
cresse
Profile Joined July 2012
United States59 Posts
November 14 2012 08:06 GMT
#29
I'm going to go brush my teeth, I've got a bad taste in my mouth all of a sudden. I can't say exactly how much the Activision merger has to do with this, but I can't imagine it helped.

On November 14 2012 17:01 chrisolo wrote:
Why not? This is all about BW bashing because of SC2. I am just curious why would Blizzard do this, if not for SC2. Please let us be dissapointed and rant about it.


Dude he just told you not to do exactly what you just did. He's the guy with mod powers. That's reason enough.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
November 14 2012 08:07 GMT
#30
Why would you even have to do that blizz!? WHAT THE FLYING FUCK NOW?





FUCK YOU BLIZZARD!
"Start yo" -FlaSh
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 14 2012 08:07 GMT
#31
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이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.
ppp
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
November 14 2012 08:07 GMT
#32
On November 14 2012 17:01 chrisolo wrote:
Why not? This is all about BW bashing because of SC2. I am just curious why would Blizzard do this, if not for SC2. Please let us be dissapointed and rant about it.


I think we should all follow Chrisolo's example to let the general population of TL know of what's going on.
I've now changed my quote to "Disappointed in Blizzard: BW SSL Finals cancelled due to Blizzard. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381957"

I suggest you guys do the same, let everyone know about this!
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 14 2012 08:07 GMT
#33
Rofl, this is pathetic.
This shows how much Blizzard trusts the quality of their product...
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Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 14 2012 08:11 GMT
#34
Isn't this the exact same thing they make every sc2 event do too? If the prize pool is above a certain amount you need to have a license to host the tournament?
Maruprime.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:14:39
November 14 2012 08:13 GMT
#35
We should help Sonic salvage the situation, If hes not allowed to stream on Afreeca we should get him to stream it on Twitch.

What do you guys say?
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96%

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Your vote: finals stream on twitch?

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 08:16 GMT
#36
On November 14 2012 17:11 Corrosive wrote:
Isn't this the exact same thing they make every sc2 event do too? If the prize pool is above a certain amount you need to have a license to host the tournament?


while that is true, I believe its only for SC2, also its the case of them actively trying to shut down afreeca streams.
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Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
November 14 2012 08:16 GMT
#37
On November 14 2012 17:11 Corrosive wrote:
Isn't this the exact same thing they make every sc2 event do too? If the prize pool is above a certain amount you need to have a license to host the tournament?


but why do it RIGHT before the finals? This will definitely have a serious effect on future sponsors as well as motivation for another season. Couldn't they have notified Sonic sooner or after this season is finished? Doing it before the tournament's end will just make future BW leagues harder to organise meaning less royalty money for Blizzard in the long run anyway.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 08:18 GMT
#38
Are you fucking kidding.
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L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
November 14 2012 08:18 GMT
#39
Well blizzard just lost my $40 for HotS. Fuck em
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:19:22
November 14 2012 08:18 GMT
#40
This should be posted in general imo for more fuck blizzard.

Also I hope theres a massive boycott by progamers, although it won't happen :/
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AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
November 14 2012 08:19 GMT
#41
How could they destroy their child like this? Fuck Blizzard.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1974 Posts
November 14 2012 08:21 GMT
#42
Its not their child anymore. The original developers of Broodwar are working for other companies now.
Total Annihilation Zero
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
November 14 2012 08:21 GMT
#43
are you shitting me?

go fuck yourself blizzard, I'm never buying any of your products ever again.

This is just fucking unreal...
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
November 14 2012 08:23 GMT
#44
This is some fucking bullshit.

Killing off the last bit of the Korean BW scene, what's the point? WHY??!!! It's probably not for profit, since it's been more than 2 years since SC2 release so whoever still playing BW nowadays wouldn't switch anyway.

FUCK YOU BLIZZARD. FUCK. YOU.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:25:00
November 14 2012 08:23 GMT
#45
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.

Even the translation sounds overly dramatic about how depressed he is. I'm sure he put in a lot of time, but all of that time, didn't include a 5 minute form fill out or email to blizzard korea to make sure he was given the okay? LIke he said, to obtain the license he will take 2 weeks, but that's probably because blizzard has to make sure his tournament is legit and won't misrepresent the name Blizzard. Welcome to the real world people, where if you're running anything large enough to an audience under someone else's licensed product, you need to receive permission.
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:26:55
November 14 2012 08:25 GMT
#46
On November 14 2012 17:00 GTR wrote:
Please do not turn this into a SC2 bashing thread.

But for the love of god let this be a Blizzard bashing thread.
Holy shit I'm pissed of, what the hell can they possibly achieve by doing this. I mean fuck this shit guys, I have already made it one of my goals in life to spite Blizzard in any way possible and it appears they have the same goal for us too.
I know TL is making way too much money from SC2, so any type of serious boycott from this site is unlikely, but what can we do other than pirate the game and make sure as many people as possible don't buy it? We need ideas people
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 08:26 GMT
#47
Yeah how dare he try to make a tournament based only on making the fans happy. Why doesn't everyone try to run a huge tournament that has to be commercialized to cover licensing costs.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:27:45
November 14 2012 08:27 GMT
#48
nvm
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
November 14 2012 08:27 GMT
#49
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.


Thank you.

No one here truly knows whether or not this guy went through the right channels in regards to stream. He can't just say "aw c'mon" and then Blizzard "oh okay" and let him stream on whatever provider he wants for a game they own the rights to. They could be looking at losing sponsors and partners because of it, it's not just a backyard tournament this is a big one.

What does SC2 have ANYTHING to do with the rights to stream Broodwar?
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mapthesoul
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
November 14 2012 08:28 GMT
#50
Blizzard is no longer the same company that made Brood War. They're just a bunch of people who happen to have the license for it. It sucks, but watcha gonna do.
Kimdracula
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Panama59 Posts
November 14 2012 08:28 GMT
#51
Man what the fuck?
Dark days.
I quit BW.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:29:29
November 14 2012 08:28 GMT
#52
On November 14 2012 17:27 Maynarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.


Thank you.

No one here truly knows whether or not this guy went through the right channels in regards to stream. He can't just say "aw c'mon" and then Blizzard "oh okay" and let him stream on whatever provider he wants for a game they own the rights to. They could be looking at losing sponsors and partners because of it, it's not just a backyard tournament this is a big one.

What does SC2 have ANYTHING to do with the rights to stream Broodwar?


Uh there was never any problem for 13 years before SC2. This licensing garbage happened after SC2. Also we don't see this issue with WC3.

What other company asks for licenses to allow people to stream their game?
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Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
November 14 2012 08:30 GMT
#53
On November 14 2012 17:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:11 Corrosive wrote:
Isn't this the exact same thing they make every sc2 event do too? If the prize pool is above a certain amount you need to have a license to host the tournament?


while that is true, I believe its only for SC2, also its the case of them actively trying to shut down afreeca streams.


Thats wrong, you where always in need to have a license to run a professional tournament with prize pool. Just before Activision and SC2 they did not interfere.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 14 2012 08:30 GMT
#54
I still don't know if I'm supposed to laugh or supposed to get angry.

Then again, I still have other things to investigate atm.
ppp
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
November 14 2012 08:32 GMT
#55
On November 14 2012 17:27 Maynarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.


Thank you.

No one here truly knows whether or not this guy went through the right channels in regards to stream. He can't just say "aw c'mon" and then Blizzard "oh okay" and let him stream on whatever provider he wants for a game they own the rights to. They could be looking at losing sponsors and partners because of it, it's not just a backyard tournament this is a big one.

What does SC2 have ANYTHING to do with the rights to stream Broodwar?


Um.. I don't know how to say this... but are you drunk? It has everything to do with it
And what part of AMATEUR LEAGUE don't you understand
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 14 2012 08:33 GMT
#56
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
jesus christ
Translator
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
November 14 2012 08:34 GMT
#57
I am so incredibly disappointed by this. Was really enjoying getting to see some High level BW again. Hopefully they find a way to do this or still run the games and releas replays.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 14 2012 08:34 GMT
#58
scum
dddoushio
Profile Joined November 2012
81 Posts
November 14 2012 08:34 GMT
#59
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it
FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
November 14 2012 08:37 GMT
#60
Fucking Blizzard.

To be honest I'm kinda glad their games are pretty shitty nowadays, makes it easier to boycott and avoid them.

More bad language in spoiler

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Fucking Cunts. I don't care what their fucking cunty reasons are, this is a bloody amateur BW tournament.

Fucking Cunts.
Archaeo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:37:38
November 14 2012 08:37 GMT
#61
Until I obtain a license for the finals I am not able to do anything.
Whether its the SinbalFarm Offline or the Online Broadcast..

What...?
So Sonic's been streaming Event matches, and SSL tournaments (this is season 7) for how long? Now blizzard steps in at the last moment and says he needs a license.. Sucks because he's been putting his own funds into this.
Is Sonic saying he won't be able to broadcast anything on afreeca until this gets resolved or only SSL?
Yo my chingu!!!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
November 14 2012 08:38 GMT
#62
This is one of those things that's so fucked up I can't help but laugh.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 14 2012 08:39 GMT
#63
I still think the blame is on both parties. Though, I'm wondering why Blizzard just stepped in.
ppp
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
November 14 2012 08:39 GMT
#64
What the hell? Now I'm just depressed.
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
November 14 2012 08:41 GMT
#65
Can anybody ask Sonic what's the problem there? Will he try to reach an agreement with those idiots?
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 08:44 GMT
#66
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.

Even the translation sounds overly dramatic about how depressed he is. I'm sure he put in a lot of time, but all of that time, didn't include a 5 minute form fill out or email to blizzard korea to make sure he was given the okay? LIke he said, to obtain the license he will take 2 weeks, but that's probably because blizzard has to make sure his tournament is legit and won't misrepresent the name Blizzard. Welcome to the real world people, where if you're running anything large enough to an audience under someone else's licensed product, you need to receive permission.

I tried my best to translate as accurately as possible.. that was the tone in the which the message was conveyed even down the dots......................
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 14 2012 08:45 GMT
#67
On November 14 2012 17:44 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.

Even the translation sounds overly dramatic about how depressed he is. I'm sure he put in a lot of time, but all of that time, didn't include a 5 minute form fill out or email to blizzard korea to make sure he was given the okay? LIke he said, to obtain the license he will take 2 weeks, but that's probably because blizzard has to make sure his tournament is legit and won't misrepresent the name Blizzard. Welcome to the real world people, where if you're running anything large enough to an audience under someone else's licensed product, you need to receive permission.

I tried my best to translate as accurately as possible.. that was the tone in the which the message was conveyed even down the dots......................

his translation is not overly dramatic, i can vouch for it
Translator
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
November 14 2012 08:45 GMT
#68
On November 14 2012 17:39 supernovamaniac wrote:
I still think the blame is on both parties. Though, I'm wondering why Blizzard just stepped in.

To fuck them up and be total assholes.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 14 2012 08:46 GMT
#69
On November 14 2012 17:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
We should help Sonic salvage the situation, If hes not allowed to stream on Afreeca we should get him to stream it on Twitch.

What do you guys say?
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: finals stream on twitch?

good idea! (51)
 
96%

no(suggest something please) (2)
 
4%

53 total votes

Your vote: finals stream on twitch?

(Vote): good idea!
(Vote): no(suggest something please)



he cant risk re-organising it knowing that twitch or any other service will very likely shut it down as soon as it goes live
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RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:48:57
November 14 2012 08:47 GMT
#70
Oh how Blizzard has fallen. Blizzard used to be the golden company where everything they put out was a day 1 purchase but after they got eaten out by Activi$ion, they've done nothing but put out a slew of poorly executed games. I've tried playing sc2 and d3 in earnest but the love & excitement and love in their games is simply gone. And this? this is just laughable.
For the first time in a long time, I don't see myself picking up HotS at all.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:50:30
November 14 2012 08:49 GMT
#71
On November 14 2012 17:46 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
We should help Sonic salvage the situation, If hes not allowed to stream on Afreeca we should get him to stream it on Twitch.

What do you guys say?
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: finals stream on twitch?

good idea! (51)
 
96%

no(suggest something please) (2)
 
4%

53 total votes

Your vote: finals stream on twitch?

(Vote): good idea!
(Vote): no(suggest something please)



he cant risk re-organising it knowing that twitch or any other service will very likely shut it down as soon as it goes live


I guess thats true but the translation states that Blizzard doesn't really just have a problem with him but with afreeca/Nowcom due to copyright issues.

obviously i'm not thinking clearly.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
November 14 2012 08:51 GMT
#72
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.


User was temp banned for this post.
Kimdracula
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Panama59 Posts
November 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#73
Anyone doubting the malicious intent of Blizzard should keep in mind that they waited until like 3 days before the finals... the only round where Sonic decided to actually rent a venue.
I quit BW.
Kimdracula
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Panama59 Posts
November 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#74
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.


Indeed they are. Indeed they are.
I quit BW.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#75
On November 14 2012 17:37 Kororo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Until I obtain a license for the finals I am not able to do anything.
Whether its the SinbalFarm Offline or the Online Broadcast..

What...?
So Sonic's been streaming Event matches, and SSL tournaments (this is season 7) for how long? Now blizzard steps in at the last moment and says he needs a license.. Sucks because he's been putting his own funds into this.
Is Sonic saying he won't be able to broadcast anything on afreeca until this gets resolved or only SSL?

he wont be able to broadcast anything.. and zergman said the same thing your bringing up how hes been doing so much and they wait until 2 days before the finals T_T
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 08:53 GMT
#76
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.


what?

of course we can continue playing BW but that doesn't have anything to do with this.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
November 14 2012 08:54 GMT
#77
Well that's a shame. That means I'm going to have to stop myself from participating in anything Blizzard related outside my FTP copy of Brood War ever again. So now, even if 10 years down the line they stop being fuckwits I still can't go back.
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
November 14 2012 08:55 GMT
#78
On November 14 2012 17:53 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.


what?

of course we can continue playing BW but that doesn't have anything to do with this.

I know, but watching it is half the fun. :[
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
November 14 2012 08:55 GMT
#79
So wait... what happens to the sponsors who paid for advertisement?
Seriously how the fuck could sonic have made any money at all from this tournament (under any circumstances), maybe it should have been turned into a non-profit organization or something
Oh, and fuck Blizzard!
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
November 14 2012 08:56 GMT
#80
There are few things more enjoyable than watching a bad company run itself into the ground. I mean, it might actually be upsetting if Blizzard were evil in a clever and effective way, but as it is they're just blowing up their brand and proving detractors right at every opportunity. The next couple of years will be a fun ride.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 08:56 GMT
#81
He was speaking as Blizzard and using their actions over the last 5 years to inspire an accurate dialogue. :|
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
November 14 2012 08:56 GMT
#82
On November 14 2012 17:53 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.


what?

of course we can continue playing BW but that doesn't have anything to do with this.

I think he was being sarcastic, showing Blizzard logic
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
November 14 2012 08:57 GMT
#83
Seriously blizzard? This is the way you treat BroodWar after all those years promoting your brand and honestly the only reason sc2 sell so good?

Fuck you
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:58:16
November 14 2012 08:58 GMT
#84
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 08:59:22
November 14 2012 08:58 GMT
#85
I don't get it why the hell is blizzard doing this at the last minute of the event they could have told sonic from the beginning that there is no way you can stream broodwar for tournament usage any more without there being a license to do so.Simply put they tried to screw everything we have left and this means I will surely for the good of the world boycott blizzard products from now .They can have their !#@# up game all for themselves .


BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Herro_Korea
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
310 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:00:12
November 14 2012 08:59 GMT
#86
No! Even tho the finals were (semi-finals spoiler -> )+ Show Spoiler +
zvz
I was still looking forward to them! What the hell?!

It's like they are kicking someone that's already layin' down on the floor...
(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 09:00 GMT
#87
On November 14 2012 17:56 ahappystar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:53 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.


what?

of course we can continue playing BW but that doesn't have anything to do with this.

I think he was being sarcastic, showing Blizzard logic


like I said before obviously I'm not thinking clearly...I should cool off.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 14 2012 09:04 GMT
#88
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.

What? Get out.
John 15:13
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:05:42
November 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#89
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
THAT'S MY STYLE. I LIKE TO KICK THEM WHILE THEY'RE DOWN

HAROOOOOOOOO
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
November 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#90
Oh, wow.
Maybe I just don't know how marketing your game works but.. not like this?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
November 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#91
On November 14 2012 18:04 PiPoGevy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:51 Shebuha wrote:
Alright idiots, if you wanna play BW, then play BW. Don't go and try to force us to make SCII into BW; they're different games.

BTW, we're gonna kill BW apparently.

What? Get out.

I was speaking from the perspective of BW, in case that's what you're peeved about. >.> sorry
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
November 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#92
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

Well, you could have attempted to post a defense of their actions, but I guess that would require more effort and actual insight than a holier-than-thou meta-analysis of the maturity of the BW community, so maybe my expectations are a little high
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
November 14 2012 09:05 GMT
#93
Fuck Blizzard. Why are they even trying so hard to shut down BW and promote SC2 when they can't even make SC2 a good game to begin with.

[image loading]
Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
November 14 2012 09:07 GMT
#94
I'm just emailing my reaction to blizzard in regards to this, you people keep doing what you do here.

gg sonic, your first mistake was to love BW, your second mistake was trying to talk to Blizzard.
Rogue Deck
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:10:33
November 14 2012 09:10 GMT
#95
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.


How many other companies do this with a 14 year old game?

How many?

List one.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
November 14 2012 09:10 GMT
#96
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.


I think BW fans aren't happy when SC2/Blizzard is killing it hard and fast after long journey.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 09:12 GMT
#97
On November 14 2012 17:27 Maynarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.


Thank you.

No one here truly knows whether or not this guy went through the right channels in regards to stream. He can't just say "aw c'mon" and then Blizzard "oh okay" and let him stream on whatever provider he wants for a game they own the rights to. They could be looking at losing sponsors and partners because of it, it's not just a backyard tournament this is a big one.

What does SC2 have ANYTHING to do with the rights to stream Broodwar?

Its just.. game broadcasts on afreeca.. just happened :l like back in the days when there were 1~2 sc streamers they just streamed ppl watched.. it was fun.. and then more ppl came along and streamed and eventually you have ppl like sonic setting up tournaments.. while it would make sense that blizzard would step in for like intellectual property rights stuff for the finals I dont understand why they need to go and attack nowcom and make all sc streamers die T_T im so so so sad..
MMDollar
Profile Joined May 2011
Bulgaria39 Posts
November 14 2012 09:14 GMT
#98
The amount of brainless flame and hate is too damn high! :D To be honest you are not the ones saying what should they do with their games or how should they give tournament licenses, if you don't like it don't play it.
no money no pain no game
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
November 14 2012 09:16 GMT
#99
On November 14 2012 18:12 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:27 Maynarde wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:23 Kazeyonoma wrote:
why does everyone always assume it's blizzard attempting to shut down bw for the sake of sc2, you realize they just went through a ton of trouble and a lawsuit to ensure that they own the rights to broadcasting scbw, and that people who want to do so, need to do so through the proper avenues, if this guy organized this tournament without obtaining consent (something that probably could've been done with little to no drama if he did it ahead of time like EVERY sc2 tournament does with a 5 minute online form) than none of this would've happened. But of course not, this is all about how blizzard is trying to kill bw, and how sc2 is a shit game. get over yourselves.


Thank you.

No one here truly knows whether or not this guy went through the right channels in regards to stream. He can't just say "aw c'mon" and then Blizzard "oh okay" and let him stream on whatever provider he wants for a game they own the rights to. They could be looking at losing sponsors and partners because of it, it's not just a backyard tournament this is a big one.

What does SC2 have ANYTHING to do with the rights to stream Broodwar?

Its just.. game broadcasts on afreeca.. just happened :l like back in the days when there were 1~2 sc streamers they just streamed ppl watched.. it was fun.. and then more ppl came along and streamed and eventually you have ppl like sonic setting up tournaments.. while it would make sense that blizzard would step in for like intellectual property rights stuff for the finals I dont understand why they need to go and attack nowcom and make all sc streamers die T_T im so so so sad..

Wait... they want to snuff out ALL BW streams?
"If only Kircheis were here" - Everyone
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 14 2012 09:16 GMT
#100
Hmmm, I'm especially interested in the specifics of the Nowcom lawsuit that Blizzard apparently just ordered.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
KyoRai
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 08:53:56
November 14 2012 09:18 GMT
#101
Yeah this is ridiculous, the only hand blizzard has on the BW scene is apparently in killing what little there is left. I get tired of watching snipealot play BGH, fuck.

Edit: Taken back, faith in Blizzard and humanity restored. I really believe Mike Morhaime is a great guy.
それでもあなたの道を行け
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 14 2012 09:20 GMT
#102
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.


Hate to say it, but your missing alot of the points here. Im not sure about anti-SC2, but it IS definitely an anti-blizz circlejerk and for obvious reasons. Let me explain why people are this irritated:

1) This IS the big tournament now. Best players, best action, best production. It's the equivalent of shutting down an OSL/GSL/MLG.
2) Precedence - Blizzard has, throughout its history, never cared about what people did with BW in perhaps anything more than name only. Suddenly they jump in and decide to fuck up a tiny, but significant tournament for no real reason. The profit from the tournament is somewhere between minimal and non-existant. The guy that runs it is just a business owner that loves Broodwar.

A good analogy here for why everyone is so mad is imagine Sonic is a farmer and blizz the owner of the land. The farmer pays for everything: his seed, fertilizer, water, tractor, etc. from the money he makes from his telemarketing job. He then uses the crops to help food his neighbors. On the eve of his harvest, the landlord comes in and says: "sorry, your not allowed to touch this land, we may need it for something and you'll have to go through our processing to get it straightened out. In the meantime, all the crops wither and die.

I think we would all agree that the landlord is certainly within his rights of what he can do, but that doesn't make him any less of complete fucking douchebag. What's allowed is not always what is right.

3) Douchebaggery - They let this whole tournament run unhindered until the finals venue was decide, sponsors lined up, notable commentators ready to role...and then just a few days before the finals play their cards. By waiting this long they ensured their was nothing Sonic could do. It hurts the integrity of the tournament, the hype, and those helping sponsor. Had blizzard given reasonable notification Sonic could easily have had plenty of time to resolve the issues with difficulty, but by waiting blizzard smoothly ensured the tournament would get fucked over.

Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance. Damn straight it's an anti-blizzard circle jerk and by god is it deserved. If you paid more attention to the events going on and stories behind them this all would have been obvious and you wouldn't be coming in here and accusing people of random hate. You basically just did what you accused all of us with doing, only replace hate with ignorance.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
November 14 2012 09:20 GMT
#103
On November 14 2012 18:05 Angra wrote:
Fuck Blizzard. Why are they even trying so hard to shut down BW and promote SC2 when they can't even make SC2 a good game to begin with.

[image loading]



You sir, made my FUCKING NIGHT.

and dam, why cant they let Amateur league alone :<

Though I don't watch BW since OSL, sad to see that people cant watch amateur leagues.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 09:21 GMT
#104
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

LOL WHAT OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY??? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?????????

What's most indicative of Blizzard's intentions is that they sent a copyright notice to Nowcom about Broodwar, but not SC2. Not that SC2 on Afreeca gets any viewers in the first place (GOM rents out a 2k capacity room on afreeca and only gets 300 views lmfao).

Since when the fuck do they send out copyright notices regarding BROODWAR STREAMS???? Oh, when it's been crushing SC2 in terms of popularity I guess ...............

please, present me the other side of the story. DEFEND BLIZZARD FOR ME. Btw, BW license for tournaments is prohibitively expensive (Sonic is not a poor man btw) .. for those ppl who didn't read the OP and are saying Sonic's at fault for not filling out some oh-so-easy form or wtf shit you're talking about.
Writerptrk
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 09:22 GMT
#105
On November 14 2012 17:07 supernovamaniac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.

dam this.. i complete agree with this -_-
RTSDealer
Profile Joined December 2011
286 Posts
November 14 2012 09:23 GMT
#106
This is a PR nightmare for Blizzard.

With Valve getting an official partner in South Korea to release Dota 2, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Korean Dota 2 players rather than Korean HoTs players.
rtsdealer.com - I love Dota 2 and Starcraft 2
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 09:24 GMT
#107
On November 14 2012 18:10 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.


How many other companies do this with a 14 year old game?

How many?

List one.


Well, there is no company with position like Blizzard's, so the answer would be probably noone else. Not becouse they are nice and not care about the money, but becouse noone else had a game like BW in a country like Korea.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 14 2012 09:25 GMT
#108
this is outrageous i'm sending an email to blizzard full of bitchings.

there are only diehard fans left for bw and there's no chance that this amateur tournament will take anything considerable away from sc2. this is just a dick move for no good reason.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 14 2012 09:26 GMT
#109
On November 14 2012 18:22 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:07 supernovamaniac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.

dam this.. i complete agree with this -_-


Care to fill in those of us that cannot read Korean?

Would be appreciated sir!
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
November 14 2012 09:27 GMT
#110
Damn this is so fucked up man.....I cannot even believe this, so all korean BW streams on Afreeca will be shutdown now? How ridiculous... I guess this is the beginning of the end of a resolve doesn't happen...Will this harm snipealot's stream in the future? I hope not...

I am going to say a prayer for Sonic, hoping something good comes of this, I cannot believe Blizzard is shoving SC2 in peoples faces, I guess it is obvious which is the better game. T_T

God bless sonic, keep your head up and don't worry everyone here at TL is hoping for the best.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 09:27 GMT
#111
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:

2) Precedence - Blizzard has, throughout its history, never cared about what people did with BW in perhaps anything more than name only. Suddenly they jump in and decide to fuck up a tiny, but significant tournament for no real reason. The profit from the tournament is somewhere between minimal and non-existant. The guy that runs it is just a business owner that loves Broodwar.

I just wanted to comment on this part.. the profits from this tournament are somewhere between NEGATIVE AND NEGATIVE sonic is pulling money OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET to fund this T_T I cant stress this detail enough this guy loves bw more than anyone could imagine.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 09:28 GMT
#112
On November 14 2012 18:22 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:07 supernovamaniac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.

dam this.. i complete agree with this -_-


If only I knew what this meant.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 09:30 GMT
#113
On November 14 2012 18:26 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:22 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:07 supernovamaniac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.

dam this.. i complete agree with this -_-


Care to fill in those of us that cannot read Korean?

Would be appreciated sir!

snm just said if thers two diff games there are gonna be two diff groups who enjoy one or the other. for the ppl who love the older game you should keep it alive. just cus of issues iwth kespa you cant slam a giant license fee.. this is a individual casting and should be charged a fee that is scaled down to an individual's price.. you cant just betray ppl like this :l
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
November 14 2012 09:30 GMT
#114
Does anyone have contact to Sonic? Might be good if we collect positive responds to his league and let someone translate them and send to him. So he does not get discouraged.

Please someone organize something like that.
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
November 14 2012 09:30 GMT
#115
On November 14 2012 18:22 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:07 supernovamaniac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.

dam this.. i complete agree with this -_-


Translation please!
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 14 2012 09:30 GMT
#116
On November 14 2012 18:27 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:

2) Precedence - Blizzard has, throughout its history, never cared about what people did with BW in perhaps anything more than name only. Suddenly they jump in and decide to fuck up a tiny, but significant tournament for no real reason. The profit from the tournament is somewhere between minimal and non-existant. The guy that runs it is just a business owner that loves Broodwar.

I just wanted to comment on this part.. the profits from this tournament are somewhere between NEGATIVE AND NEGATIVE sonic is pulling money OUT OF HIS OWN POCKET to fund this T_T I cant stress this detail enough this guy loves bw more than anyone could imagine.


Well, that just makes blizzard even douchier than I thought.

Sonic is fucking awesome, for the record.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:38:56
November 14 2012 09:31 GMT
#117
this is a big corporation blatantly shutting down a grassroots amateur tournament, fueled only by passion for the game -- just so they can greedily squeeze out the little life left of the BW scene

and there are people wondering why we are outraged?
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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
November 14 2012 09:33 GMT
#118
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD! FUCK ALL OF YOU!
Woo Jung Ho
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
November 14 2012 09:33 GMT
#119
On November 14 2012 16:52 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
blizzard -could- try to make sc2 not a piece of shit game...

or they can just shit on bw cause apparently that's much easier than actually making your shit game less shit

cause, you know, bw is totally what's killing sc2 l0l

It isn't a piece of shit game. It just isn't identical to BW.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:36 GMT
#120
fuck blizzard
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:00:03
November 14 2012 09:37 GMT
#121
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 14 2012 09:37 GMT
#122
dafuq man

makes me so sad ._.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:38 GMT
#123
On November 14 2012 18:30 FractalsOnFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:22 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:07 supernovamaniac wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이건 아니다 정말... 게임이 두개있으면, 사람이 하고싶은걸 하게 놔두고, 그나마 아직도 좋아하는사람들을 위해 살려둬야지, 그냥 이렇게 죽이는건 아니다. 옛날에 캐스파때문이라고해도, 개인방송리그는 개인이니까 거기에 맞춰서 돈을 받아야지, 이렇게 뒤통수치는건 아니다.


Ugh.

dam this.. i complete agree with this -_-


Translation please!

Translation:
"This isn't it... if there are two games, just let the people choose what they want to play. At least leave (brood war) alone for those who still enjoy it, it's wrong to kill it off like this. In the past, let's say it was due to KeSPA (the contract-pay saga)'s fault, but now, this is a personal thing so at least adjust the (license fee) accordingly. Just stabbing (the brood war fans) like this is wrong"
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RMuSt
Profile Joined February 2011
Russian Federation178 Posts
November 14 2012 09:39 GMT
#124
blizzard is a shit but what can we do, cant stop them law is on their side, and sc2 is very popular outside korea
Abjurer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Sweden208 Posts
November 14 2012 09:39 GMT
#125
The anger here is fully understandable. SSL gave a glimmer of hope to a new BW scene in Korea when most bw fans thought that it had died with the decline of MSL/OSL. It had so much potential, juice girls, a studio, kim carrier for finals! Sonic has a diehard fanbase though and i think he'll work it out somehow.

A more troubling aspect of this is the lawsuit against afreeca and that the barrier for starting up a little tournament is raised, very hard for new people to organize something without a large fanbase.

That said, + Show Spoiler +
FUCK BLIZZARD T_T
bw<3 cj<3
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:40 GMT
#126
this should be in front page of TL
POGGERS
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:41:19
November 14 2012 09:40 GMT
#127
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If over the last couple years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney just for fun. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

I just want to give you a massive high-5, and since your a mod I wont say what I want to say to the other guy :D

On November 14 2012 18:40 konadora wrote:
this should be in front page of TL


AGREEEEEED!!!
FALLING! :D
John 15:13
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:41:20
November 14 2012 09:40 GMT
#128
On November 14 2012 18:39 Abjurer wrote:
The anger here is fully understandable. SSL gave a glimmer of hope to a new BW scene in Korea when most bw fans thought that it had died with the decline of MSL/OSL. It had so much potential, juice girls, a studio, kim carrier for finals! Sonic has a diehard fanbase though and i think he'll work it out somehow.

A more troubling aspect of this is the lawsuit against afreeca and that the barrier for starting up a little tournament is raised, very hard for new people to organize something without a large fanbase.

That said, + Show Spoiler +
FUCK BLIZZARD T_T

On the other hand, I am kinda glad they sued afreeca, because that is a sure-fire way to piss off every single Korean netizen and ensure you have single-digit HOTS sales coming from Korea
Translator
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 09:42 GMT
#129
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If over the last couple years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney just for fun. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

not just for fun, but out of passion. Sonic had a vision for the revival Broodwar and was set to share his incredible love for the game, reigniting the passion and hope of many other BW fans who had thought it was gone .....

Seriously, this development is the most heart-breaking thing for him, and for me too.
Writerptrk
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:43 GMT
#130
so what is blizzard going to do next? sue teamliquid for hosting brood war content and allowing people to publicise their own brood war tournaments?
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TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
November 14 2012 09:43 GMT
#131
This is total bullshit...
aka SethN
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 09:43 GMT
#132
On November 14 2012 18:40 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:39 Abjurer wrote:
The anger here is fully understandable. SSL gave a glimmer of hope to a new BW scene in Korea when most bw fans thought that it had died with the decline of MSL/OSL. It had so much potential, juice girls, a studio, kim carrier for finals! Sonic has a diehard fanbase though and i think he'll work it out somehow.

A more troubling aspect of this is the lawsuit against afreeca and that the barrier for starting up a little tournament is raised, very hard for new people to organize something without a large fanbase.

That said, + Show Spoiler +
FUCK BLIZZARD T_T

On the other hand, I am kinda glad they sued afreeca, because that is a sure-fire way to piss off every single Korean netizen and ensure you have single-digit HOTS sales coming from Korea


eh mutually assured destruction+ Show Spoiler +
not sure if that is the correct term..
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
November 14 2012 09:45 GMT
#133
On November 14 2012 18:40 PiPoGevy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If over the last couple years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney just for fun. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

I just want to give you a massive high-5, and since your a mod I wont say what I want to say to the other guy :D

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:40 konadora wrote:
this should be in front page of TL


AGREEEEEED!!!
FALLING! :D

I don't have front page powers.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:46:20
November 14 2012 09:45 GMT
#134
I am trying my absolute hardest not to go rage on the Blizzard Forums, ABSOLUTE HARDEST!

On November 14 2012 18:45 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:40 PiPoGevy wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If over the last couple years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney just for fun. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

I just want to give you a massive high-5, and since your a mod I wont say what I want to say to the other guy :D

On November 14 2012 18:40 konadora wrote:
this should be in front page of TL


AGREEEEEED!!!
FALLING! :D

I don't have front page powers.


Damn...
John 15:13
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:45 GMT
#135
some mod please post this on the front page

this atrocity needs to be publicised
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 09:46 GMT
#136
On November 14 2012 18:40 konadora wrote:
this should be in front page of TL


If you want Sc2 fan posts all over this thread, an amazing idea.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
November 14 2012 09:46 GMT
#137
This is a fucking outrage. Jesus Christ, Blizz. You're trying to be the bad guys, right?
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
November 14 2012 09:46 GMT
#138
dont know why on earth blizzard would do this...disgusting!
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 09:46 GMT
#139
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 14 2012 09:46 GMT
#140
Posted something on official Blizzard FB page, and will do again at WCS this week end.
ॐ
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 14 2012 09:47 GMT
#141
On November 14 2012 18:46 Darksoldierr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:40 konadora wrote:
this should be in front page of TL


If you want Sc2 fan posts all over this thread, an amazing idea.

We should get Idra to agree, all the sc2 fanboys will then agree :D
John 15:13
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
November 14 2012 09:48 GMT
#142
On November 14 2012 18:46 endy wrote:
Posted something on official Blizzard FB page, and will do again at WCS this week end.

can you give a link please so we can like?
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
hellblau
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany13 Posts
November 14 2012 09:48 GMT
#143
What is all this hate here?
This Sonic dood's words read biased as fuck.
Don't you feel this "i'm telling much less than half the story" vibe?

SC2 may not be the game i we are waiting for.
But that is no excuse to side with an obviously retarded useless statement of a Korean dood.




User was warned for this post
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
November 14 2012 09:48 GMT
#144
Fucking Blizzard trying to jam SC2 down our throats when not everyone likes it. Can't they get over that fact? Ridiculous
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:56:31
November 14 2012 09:50 GMT
#145
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 14 2012 18:48 hellblau wrote:
What is all this hate here?
This Sonic dood's words read biased as fuck.
Don't you feel this "i'm telling much less than half the story" vibe?

SC2 may not be the game i we are waiting for.
But that is no excuse to side with an obviously retarded useless statement of a Korean dood.



aw man thats just not right. why would you post some shit like this cmon man go and delete that jesus -_-

edit: i spoilered the quote
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 09:51 GMT
#146
On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l

I'm glad he said that, if Blizzard reject him for going through the proper channels now they will seriously piss people off more than they have right now.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 14 2012 09:53 GMT
#147
I have news'd it for people who have BW enabled. Incredibly disappointed in Blizzard.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 09:54 GMT
#148
On November 14 2012 18:53 Plexa wrote:
I have news'd it for people who have BW enabled. Incredibly disappointed in Blizzard.

On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l

^ should add that bit in
Writerptrk
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
November 14 2012 09:56 GMT
#149
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

Show nested quote +
All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:56 GMT
#150
On November 14 2012 18:53 Plexa wrote:
I have news'd it for people who have BW enabled. Incredibly disappointed in Blizzard.

thx plexy
POGGERS
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:57:22
November 14 2012 09:56 GMT
#151
On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l

The last part of it made me emotional and saw it wasn't translated, so I just took the liberty of doing it

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

Any sort of losses incurred from contracts and etc. associated with the tournament, I feel is my responsibility and will take care of it, [even though] I hate myself for it ㅠㅠ However, let's hope this isn't the end. Let's get everything approved officially, and get back up ㅠㅠ!
Translator
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
November 14 2012 09:56 GMT
#152
On November 14 2012 18:53 Plexa wrote:
I have news'd it for people who have BW enabled. Incredibly disappointed in Blizzard.


Cool thanks Plexa, but can you make it Featured News for people who haven't enabled the BW option aswell? I'm pretty sure that everyone that enabled BW will see this regardless of it being featured anyway.
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:57:59
November 14 2012 09:57 GMT
#153
I want themarine to cast the SSL finals right next to sonic right where they played the semis. that would be epic.
On November 14 2012 18:56 Hoender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:53 Plexa wrote:
I have news'd it for people who have BW enabled. Incredibly disappointed in Blizzard.


Cool thanks Plexa, but can you make it Featured News for people who haven't enabled the BW option aswell? I'm pretty sure that everyone that enabled BW will see this regardless of it being featured anyway.

Honestly dude what people are saying is right- if it's put on the front page.. oh god it's in community news. INCOMING WAVE OF DESTINY FANS. HIDE THE CHILDREN AND MBC VODS
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 14 2012 09:57 GMT
#154
https://www.facebook.com/Blizzard?ref=ts&fref=ts

It's in recent posts by others I think
John 15:13
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 09:57 GMT
#155
On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

maybe if you knew what blizzard have done over the years, or at least give a damn about the "game that is killing sc2" then you would be a bit more sympathetic. but i guess not.
POGGERS
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:59:34
November 14 2012 09:57 GMT
#156
On November 14 2012 18:56 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l

The last part of it made me emotional and saw it wasn't translated, so I just took the liberty of doing it

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

Any sort of losses incurred from contracts and etc. associated with the tournament, I feel is my responsibility and will take care of it, [even though] I hate myself for it ㅠㅠ However, let's hope this isn't the end. Let's get everything approved officially, and get back up ㅠㅠ!

oh my i didnt even see those last lines. thanks for translating! i just kinda copy pasted into the reply box and translated there... sonic T_T i wish there was a way we could help out...
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:58:47
November 14 2012 09:57 GMT
#157
Edited, not because I didn't mean it, but because it would have got me banned.
EleGant[AoV]
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 14 2012 09:58 GMT
#158
On November 14 2012 18:53 Plexa wrote:
I have news'd it for people who have BW enabled. Incredibly disappointed in Blizzard.

Cheers mate
John 15:13
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 09:59:25
November 14 2012 09:58 GMT
#159
Shockk, wait so where's your defense of blizzard? Or what about Falling's analogy? Or .. damn I see what you're doing lol
Writerptrk
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
November 14 2012 10:00 GMT
#160
On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

because this is what the sc2 community is known for right? Take the high road and all...
Woo Jung Ho
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 10:00 GMT
#161
On November 14 2012 18:57 ImbaTosS wrote:
Edited, not because I didn't mean it, but because it would have got me banned.

I didn't think it would but to be honest sometimes it's better to keep some emotional reactions to yourself then write them the next day if they're still just as.. virulent
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
November 14 2012 10:00 GMT
#162
On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.


Go in a SC2 drama thread and see if you can find at least one mature respond there. I can tell you, you will not find one. And most SC2 drama threads are not about killing the only remaining last stand in high-level starcraft. And yes this is what I just wrote. SSL is the only tournament where we can watch professional play. Imagine taking away every major tournament for SC2 away (GSL, OSL, MLG, Dreamhack, IPL, Iron Squid, ESWC, WCS, LSC, etc.). You would be just as pissed as we are...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Cri du Chat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany606 Posts
November 14 2012 10:00 GMT
#163
Wow thx Blizz!
Esports really needs awsome developers like you guys....

Hope they can make the Finals happen, even if Blizz tries their best to make it as difficutl as possible.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 10:01 GMT
#164
Look guys just ignore Shockk okay, quoting him 50 times is only feeding him
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
November 14 2012 10:01 GMT
#165
Frick. I need to go to bed. This has got me steamed.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:04:28
November 14 2012 10:02 GMT
#166
On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

HAHAHA why don't you stop being a dick? Blizzard are shitting on someone's incredibly hard work, huge efforts, money, time and inconvenience, not for the first time. Goddamn it, they are so fucking insecure. Wankers, the lot of them.


This is actually a little heartbreaking. Did you see where he was going to host it? Did you see who he had commentating? This would have been just such an amazing event, and Blizzard come blundering in to ruin the day yet again. Anyone who can stick up for their side of this is living under a rock. And should be living under a bigger, sharper, heavier one. Fuck, fuck, fuck!
EleGant[AoV]
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 10:03 GMT
#167
On November 14 2012 18:56 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:46 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
우선 블리자드 측에 정상적으로 라이센스 따고.
결승전 진행 어떻게든 마치겠습니다.
우선 라이센스 부분에 있어서, 미숙하게 처리 한점. 방송 진행에 문제 생기게 해서 기다리게 한 점 부터 시작해서 선수분들 시청자분들. 그리고 저 도와주려고. 발 벗고 나서서 도와주신분들에게 다시 한번 사과의 말씀 드리겠습니다.
무슨일이 있어도. 일 처리 제대로 하고. 제대로 진행 해보겠습니다.
죄송합니다

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

The finals will play out no matter what.
first off regarding my unskilled handling of licenses, and making you all, viewers and players, have to wait and for those ppl who put time and hardwork into helping me. I'd like to sincerely apologize.
Whatever happens I will resolve this correctly. I will try to run things as professionally as possible.
I'm sorry

again rough translation of new sonic post :l

The last part of it made me emotional and saw it wasn't translated, so I just took the liberty of doing it

우선 계약 걸려있는 부분들이나. 손해 보는것들은. 제 잘못이라 생각하고. 제가 감당해야 할 부분이니 제 자신이 너무 밉습니다.ㅠㅠ
그래도 끝이 아니라. 공식적으로 제대로 라이센스 따고.. 다시 달려봐요 우리..ㅠㅠ!

Any sort of losses incurred from contracts and etc. associated with the tournament, I feel is my responsibility and will take care of it, [even though] I hate myself for it ㅠㅠ However, let's hope this isn't the end. Let's get everything approved officially, and get back up ㅠㅠ!

ah this should be added to the op too ㅠㅠ
Writerptrk
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
November 14 2012 10:03 GMT
#168
Fuck you Blizzard.

Btw, Shockk is a classic example of ignorance. Move along.
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
November 14 2012 10:04 GMT
#169
What the fuck



I mean what the fuck, why blizz would make something like that
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:08:37
November 14 2012 10:04 GMT
#170
Blizzard forgot Brood War is their own product, they should not promote rivalvry of the same franchise, even if they WANT it(so more people will buy newer stuff = SC2), they still shouldn't do anything for simple PR sake.

Imagine this, Blizzard HELPS Sonic Starleague organize finals. Fuck this is PR win, Blizzard cares for old and for new. Nah nah nah. Hots coming, no distractions.

Stork[gm]
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
November 14 2012 10:07 GMT
#171
On November 14 2012 18:45 konadora wrote:
some mod please post this on the front page

this atrocity needs to be publicised

Can we not have a bunch of SC2 users in this thread? Their stupidity and immaturity shits on us more than help...
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 14 2012 10:07 GMT
#172
What the fuck...
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:08:24
November 14 2012 10:08 GMT
#173
On November 14 2012 19:00 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:57 ImbaTosS wrote:
Edited, not because I didn't mean it, but because it would have got me banned.

I didn't think it would but to be honest sometimes it's better to keep some emotional reactions to yourself then write them the next day if they're still just as.. virulent

Believe me, I've felt this way about Blizzard for quite a while now. In fact, since last time they pulled this kinda shit. Licensing... Hah. Miserable twats.
EleGant[AoV]
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:14:21
November 14 2012 10:10 GMT
#174
On November 14 2012 19:07 SlowBullets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:45 konadora wrote:
some mod please post this on the front page

this atrocity needs to be publicised

Can we not have a bunch of SC2 users in this thread? Their stupidity and immaturity shits on us more than help...

ahem.. just in case some SC2 users who feel sympathetic DO make their way over, let's be on our best behavior... no need for BW vs SC2 animosity here... it's an entirely separate issue so we'd just be spitting in our faces by belittling SC2 and its fans..
Translator
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 10:10 GMT
#175
On November 14 2012 19:07 SlowBullets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:45 konadora wrote:
some mod please post this on the front page

this atrocity needs to be publicised

Can we not have a bunch of SC2 users in this thread? Their stupidity and immaturity shits on us more than help...


you'd be surprised how many would back this up though.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 14 2012 10:11 GMT
#176
Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.


Yea, given my current irate emotional state your seeing the nastier side of me.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach.


My point here is It literally doesn't matter what blizzards statement is. There isn't anything they can say other than "oops, wrong tournament" that could make the situation acceptable. It's a massive dick move no matter which way you slice it. This is a pretty damn big deal for the BW community, and in this case its moderately analogous to questioning people for cursing out their sister's rapist face to face. Yes, that's overly dramatized, but it's pretty analogous. BW really is that kind of meaningful for many of us here and this is a serious, serious blow.

Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW


Not reallty.

FUCK BLIZZARD,


Yep.

"we don't want SC2 fanboys in here"


Not neccessarily

FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD.


Yep

So mature. So manner.


I agree, but I don't really except manner or maturity here. If you do I really believe your dramatically underestimating the emotional involvement so many of us have in the game.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Hetairoi
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden508 Posts
November 14 2012 10:12 GMT
#177
This makes me fucking sick. Blizzard can go fuck themselves.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 14 2012 10:12 GMT
#178
what the fuck is this shit

.......

i was looking forward to the finals
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 14 2012 10:14 GMT
#179
This is so fucked up. What could they possibly hope to gain from this?
glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
November 14 2012 10:14 GMT
#180
I saw this coming from ages ago, but...

FUCK

WHAT THE FUCK

All you do is fucking sue, sue, sue, without realizing the opportunity of marketing. You can still fucking sell BW if you want. I'll buy that sucker just cause I already love the ICCup version. But HOTS? Fuck no. I play the Beta and it's fucking worse than COD on a Nintendo 64 using a PS2 controller.
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
Hoender
Profile Joined March 2011
South Africa381 Posts
November 14 2012 10:14 GMT
#181
On November 14 2012 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:07 SlowBullets wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:45 konadora wrote:
some mod please post this on the front page

this atrocity needs to be publicised

Can we not have a bunch of SC2 users in this thread? Their stupidity and immaturity shits on us more than help...


you'd be surprised how many would back this up though.


looking at the reddit post, it does seem like the level of SC2 users hating on BW is relatively low:
Reddit link

I'm hoping SC2 players realise that we're not hating on SC2, but trying to appeal to Blizzard for this decision..
Die ou swepe sê: "daar's 'n raat vir elke kwaal," maar watse pil kou jy as die donker jou kom haal?
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
November 14 2012 10:15 GMT
#182
I agree with the general sentiment in this thread and L_Master's post.

In the past I said I'll be buying HotS and LotV no matter what. But if Blizz is going to (further) openly antagonize BW's existence for no reason I really feel like crap supporting them.
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:17:09
November 14 2012 10:16 GMT
#183
I don't really agree with what Blizzard is doing, but come on. All I see is "FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA."

Grow up.
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Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:17:27
November 14 2012 10:16 GMT
#184
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.

"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
November 14 2012 10:16 GMT
#185
What the fuck



I mean what the fuck, why blizz would make something like that
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
November 14 2012 10:16 GMT
#186
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.
EleGant[AoV]
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 14 2012 10:17 GMT
#187
guys go like endy's post on the blizzard facebook page.
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:19:09
November 14 2012 10:18 GMT
#188
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.
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Zhazulo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden226 Posts
November 14 2012 10:20 GMT
#189
"BW is a great game, go play that!" - Dustin Browder

...

How?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
November 14 2012 10:20 GMT
#190
no one is hating on sc2, people are hating on blizzard

learn to read
POGGERS
dddoushio
Profile Joined November 2012
81 Posts
November 14 2012 10:20 GMT
#191
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.

I don't see fuck sc2 anywhere else, though
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
November 14 2012 10:21 GMT
#192
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.


He wasn't doing that. He was just using the words you had written to say how he felt, not imply that you were on the "fuck blizz" bandwagon
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
Glioburd
Profile Joined April 2008
France1911 Posts
November 14 2012 10:21 GMT
#193
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.

It was a joke.
"You should hate loosing, but you should never fear defeat." NaDa.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
November 14 2012 10:21 GMT
#194
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.


And you should keep out of thread. Try imagining what it is for us. Cutting the only existing semi-pro tournament out, is like the worst possible thing to happen. This is real drama and needs to be rant about. Not stupid stuff like "Oh no Destiny said a bad word on his stream", which was like an ultimative shittrain...

lol.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Alasper
Profile Joined June 2011
179 Posts
November 14 2012 10:22 GMT
#195
On November 14 2012 19:20 dddoushio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.

I don't see fuck sc2 anywhere else, though


You should probably re-read the thread then.
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 10:23 GMT
#196
On November 14 2012 19:14 Hoender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:07 SlowBullets wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:45 konadora wrote:
some mod please post this on the front page

this atrocity needs to be publicised

Can we not have a bunch of SC2 users in this thread? Their stupidity and immaturity shits on us more than help...


you'd be surprised how many would back this up though.


looking at the reddit post, it does seem like the level of SC2 users hating on BW is relatively low:
Reddit link

I'm hoping SC2 players realise that we're not hating on SC2, but trying to appeal to Blizzard for this decision..


Holy shit, Sc2 fans maybe dont hate BW by their nature? Maybe its only the other way around? I wonder
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 10:23 GMT
#197
On November 14 2012 19:22 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:20 dddoushio wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.

I don't see fuck sc2 anywhere else, though


You should probably re-read the thread then.


outside the first and second page..and mostly it was 1 or 2 people...
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 14 2012 10:24 GMT
#198
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself
Translator
dddoushio
Profile Joined November 2012
81 Posts
November 14 2012 10:25 GMT
#199
On November 14 2012 19:22 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:20 dddoushio wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.

I don't see fuck sc2 anywhere else, though


You should probably re-read the thread then.


How is calling sc2 a bad game saying "FUCK SC2"?
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:29:26
November 14 2012 10:26 GMT
#200
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself

Is there a definite way to get it to him personally?

On November 14 2012 19:22 Alasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:20 dddoushio wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:18 Alasper wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 Glioburd wrote:
Oh no I'm so disappointed... I feel bad for the organizers...
Fuck you blizzard, really... It's even not a good move for them by staining more their reputation.

Just 5 words :
On November 14 2012 19:16 Alasper wrote:
FUCK BLIZZARD FUCK SC2 BLA.




Way to take a small portion of my post and put it out of context. You're as sad as all the other witch hunters in this thread.

I don't see fuck sc2 anywhere else, though


You should probably re-read the thread then.

HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW ANGRY THIS MAKES PEOPLE???? Oh yeah, that's right, because you've only been on the measly esports bandwagon for about five minutes, and already you think people should listen to your half-baked opinions on important, inflammatory topics. + Show Spoiler +
Piss off.
EleGant[AoV]
Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
November 14 2012 10:27 GMT
#201
God fucking damn it. *Throws hat into the dirt*
DoctorHelvetica <3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 10:27 GMT
#202
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself


I know he reads teamliquid, I think he has an TL account too....
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 14 2012 10:28 GMT
#203
On November 14 2012 19:26 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself

Is there a definite way to get it to him personally?

On November 14 2012 19:27 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:24 rotinegg wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:16 ImbaTosS wrote:
Is there any way we can get in touch with Sonic personally? Does he speak any English? I would like to at the very least express how grateful I am for all he's doing, and beyond that to see if there's any way I can help out.

I'm sure there are plenty of bilinguals on TL who would be more than willing to translate your message, including myself


I know he reads teamliquid, I think he has an TL account too....

I would loooooooooooove to send him a little PM expressing my gratitude
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 14 2012 10:30 GMT
#204
This should not only be featured but deserves a massive news post picture and graffitied blizzard people/logos. Justa disgrace, plain and simple. Maybe if sc2 felt half as exciting and well-planned as bw, and I'm confident that I'm not donning rose-coloured lenses when I make that observation. Ugh, why would you do this? (Rhetorical)
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:37:04
November 14 2012 10:34 GMT
#205
On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

Ok. This is actually irritating me more than it ought to. Talk about arrogance. You pop in here all high and mighty saying what the BW forum is like these days. Actually, the BW subforum has been pretty upbeat and cheerful these days. You'd see more SC2 bashing in LR threads and the HotS subforum than you did in the BW subforum. The SC2 vs BW thing had kinda faded even. It was reasonably peaceable and forward looking.

There was hope. Things were picking up. We had new tournaments and old players coming back. And then this comes crashing down. A stake into these new found dreams. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, you show up at a gathering where news has just arrived of someone dear who might not make it.

And then you have the audacity to come in here and tell us we should take the high road. That this is the reason you don't like the BW subforum? Rain at a funeral man. Rain at a funeral.

This thread is not representative of the current state of BW subforums, nor will it be representative of it in the future. We're not even steamed about SC2 or SC2 fans. It's all about Blizzard.

I probably shouldn't have replied to that and I don't want to rabble. But there it is.
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Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
November 14 2012 10:37 GMT
#206
Could you send him mine too rotinegg? This is the kind of thing that needs a giant card with everyone's signature and a note on it.
DoctorHelvetica <3
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:42:30
November 14 2012 10:38 GMT
#207
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
November 14 2012 10:40 GMT
#208
Blizzard, why the fuck do you want me to hate you?
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3683 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:43:35
November 14 2012 10:40 GMT
#209
On November 14 2012 16:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!


Oh fuck yeah I do. What the fucking fuck blizzard, you want me to not buy any games from you again ever?
I was fucking looking forward to this and you have nothing better to do than fuck brood war after already forcing star 2 on kespa? It's ok that you think that your sad excuse of a brood war successor should be played by everyone and their mothers, but please let me fucking watch brood war, because thats what I fucking love doing. WTF is wrong with you people half of china plays your games pirated in pc bangs, maybe you should put more effort into doing something about that and less about fucking what is left of the greatest esports game of all time.

And just for the record, yeah I play star 2, yeah I enjoy it, yeah I watch it too, but watching Brood War is just the best thing to watch and I was really looking forward to the rest of SSL, and lets be honest brood war is by far the better game.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:46:39
November 14 2012 10:43 GMT
#210
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

Show nested quote +
You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I think you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Not 100% sure, but my impression is that if he lower it then he would be able to continue as planned.

These licenses are standard though. And while the timing seems a bit suspect, Blizzard don't *really* deserve a big fuck you from the community. BW is simply being treated as if it were another ESPORT title owned by Blizz (i.e. the $5k limit is imposed). Sonic just wasn't aware of this, it's tough to blame him for the situation though because it isn't the most obvious thing in the world esp. given BWs past and no previous issues.
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AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 14 2012 10:46 GMT
#211
On November 14 2012 19:43 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I think you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Not 100% sure, but my impression is that if he lower it then he would be able to continue as planned.



But why now out of all moments, there was an announcement and partnership months before the finals, it's just makes me angry...
John 15:13
imMUTAble787
Profile Joined November 2011
United States680 Posts
November 14 2012 10:46 GMT
#212
Shoutouts to Activision Blizzard.

Great company. They do awesome things like this, but no it doesn't stop there. They also employ creative geniuses like Browder and Kim.
*eternalenvy fanboy*
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:48:08
November 14 2012 10:47 GMT
#213
On November 14 2012 19:46 PiPoGevy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:43 Plexa wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I think you are correct in your assessment of the situation. Not 100% sure, but my impression is that if he lower it then he would be able to continue as planned.



But why now out of all moments, there was an announcement and partnership months before the finals, it's just makes me angry...
Yes the timing is very poor, but Blizz Korea are known for being notoriously slow with these things. Innocent mistake or intentional blow? It's difficult to tell. I really hope that things can be worked out, even if it means Sonic is capped at 5k for a while.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 10:47 GMT
#214
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

Show nested quote +
You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 14 2012 10:50 GMT
#215
Go fuck a rake blizzard, and leave bw alone. It poses no threat to you anyways.
Also doesnt all this bullshit cost more than they actually would make for blizzard?
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 14 2012 10:51 GMT
#216
Out of all the things for Blizzard to worry about, why this.

Fuck off Blizz.
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Pro7ecT
Profile Joined September 2011
Korea (South)66 Posts
November 14 2012 10:52 GMT
#217
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

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BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

Last Revised July 27th 2010

1. Grant of Tournament License.

With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions:
* (a) The Tournament must be free to enter;
* (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament;
* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
* (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less;
* (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason;
* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;
* and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament.

You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation:
* (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”);
* (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules;
* (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament;
* (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder;
* and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices.

2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks.

Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to pr@blizzard.com.

3. Ownership.

Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity.

You hereby represent and warrant that:
* (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement;
* (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament;
* and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder.

You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.

5. Term.

This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You:
* (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder;
* (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency;
* (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent.

In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.

6. Miscellaneous.

All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.
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Arterial
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1039 Posts
November 14 2012 10:53 GMT
#218
i have to agree with others when they say fuck blizzard.
savior & jaedong
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 10:54 GMT
#219
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.
Writerptrk
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:55:03
November 14 2012 10:54 GMT
#220
I'm most worried about this lawsuit on Nexcom/afreeca

BTW its $5000 not $500
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:54:42
November 14 2012 10:54 GMT
#221
On November 14 2012 19:50 Skeggaba wrote:
Go fuck a rake blizzard, and leave bw alone. It poses no threat to you anyways.
Also doesnt all this bullshit cost more than they actually would make for blizzard?

Corporate mentality:
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If one person gets away with it everyone will start doing it! We'll lose millions!


I guess.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 14 2012 10:55 GMT
#222
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 10:56 GMT
#223
On November 14 2012 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm most worried about this lawsuit on Nexcom/afreeca

BTW its $5000 not $500

Im trying to tell ppl that its actually $500 arvickhero cleared it up theres seperate terms for scbw and sc2...
it may also be seperate for blizzard korea and blizzard any other part of the world? not sure
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
November 14 2012 10:57 GMT
#224
I'm not sure if I should cry or get angry.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:59:50
November 14 2012 10:57 GMT
#225
On November 14 2012 19:54 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm most worried about this lawsuit on Nexcom/afreeca

BTW its $5000 not $500

50만원 = 500k Won = 460 dollars. So actually, even less than $500 no wait actually they meant $500 lol

quoting my post again incase ppl missed it:
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.
Writerptrk
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:58:53
November 14 2012 10:58 GMT
#226
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.
Woo Jung Ho
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 10:59:20
November 14 2012 10:58 GMT
#227
Thanks Arvick. Interesting that it's so much lower on the BW terms.

I guess that's a bit problematic if he's been so much over it repeatedly =(
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1903 Posts
November 14 2012 11:00 GMT
#228
Go host finals in Pyongyang, fuck these capitalist sharks!
...ahhhh sigh...so sad
really, fuck you blizzard...
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
November 14 2012 11:03 GMT
#229
On one hand, I like fuck Blizzard threads. Fuck Blizzard.

On the other, I'm really tired of SC2 vs BW threads. They're exhausting.

Let's focus on the positives and just chant "Fuck Blizzard" for a while, shall we?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 14 2012 11:04 GMT
#230
On November 14 2012 19:58 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.

This isn't a bad idea.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 14 2012 11:05 GMT
#231
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

+ Show Spoiler +


BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT ONLINE TOURNAMENT AGREEMENT

Last Revised July 27th 2010

1. Grant of Tournament License.

With regards to your request to host a tournament on the Battle.net® service that features Blizzard’s StarCraft® II: Wings of Liberty™ software (the “Game”), Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., a Delaware corporation (“Blizzard”), hereby grants, to you the a non-exclusive, royalty free, non-transferable, license and right to use and display the Game for an online tournament subject to Your adherence to the following terms and conditions:
* (a) The Tournament must be free to enter;
* (b) You may not charge any fees of any kind to watch the Tournament;
* (c) You may not accept advertising revenue of any kind in association with your hosting of the Tournament, nor can you accept funds or prizing from sponsors of the Tournament in excess of $5,000.00 USD in the aggregate for all Tournament sponsors;
* (c) The Tournament must be limited to 500 players or less;
* (d) You shall not alter or modify any part of the Game for any reason;
* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;
* and (f) it must be a requirement for your tournament that all entrants in the Tournament must be adults in their country of residence, or minors over the age of 13 with written permission from their parents to participate in the Tournament.

You understand and agree that You will responsible for all aspects of the Tournament, including without limitation:
* (a) drafting of all rules, policies, and procedures which will govern the Tournament (the “Rules”);
* (b) ensuring that all entrants are fully informed of the Rules;
* (c) awarding all prizes to the winners of the Tournament;
* (d) securing the receipt all applicable government approvals, licenses and permits necessary to organize the Tournament and exercise any and all of the rights granted to You by Blizzard hereunder;
* and (e) avoiding any deceptive, misleading or unethical trade practices.

2. Use of Blizzard’s Trademarks.

Additionally, Blizzard hereby grants, and You hereby accept, a limited, royalty free, non-exclusive license to utilize the Blizzard’s trademarks, logos, and copyrighted content associated with the Game in advertisements, posters, flyers, and websites related to the Tournament, subject to Your adherence to Blizzard’s Trademark and Copyrighted Content Acceptable Use Guidelines, available at http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/termsofuse.html. Note that you may not issue a press release using Blizzard’s name, trademarks or referencing the Game without Blizzard prior approval. Should you wish to have Blizzard review your proposed press release, you may email your request to pr@blizzard.com.

3. Ownership.

Blizzard Entertainment owns and shall retain all proprietary rights in the Game and the Blizzard Intellectual Property, and You agree that it will not at any time during or after this Agreement assert or claim any interest in or do anything that may adversely affect the validity or enforceability of Blizzard Entertainment’s rights in Game and/or the Blizzard Intellectual Property (including, without limitation, any act, or assistance to any act, which may infringe or lead to the infringement of any copyright in the Game). Blizzard Entertainment shall own all proprietary rights in all Marketing Materials that contain Blizzard Intellectual Property.

4. Representations, Warranties, and Indemnity.

You hereby represent and warrant that:
* (i) You have the full right and power to enter into this Agreement;
* (ii) You have the necessary rights to host the Tournament;
* and (iii) You will comply with all laws related to its performance hereunder.

You agree that you shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Blizzard, and its affiliated companies (including, without limitation, Blizzard) and their respective employees, directors and officers from and against any and all expenses, judgments, awards, fines, and fees (including reasonable attorneys’ fees) solely with respect to any third party claims or actions brought against them which claims or actions arise out of the Tournament or any breach or alleged breach of any of Your representations, warranties or obligations hereunder. The obligations described in this section shall survive the termination or expiration of this Agreement.

5. Term.

This Agreement shall commence on the date that the license is sent to you at your email address and thereafter shall remain in effect (unless and until earlier terminated as set forth in this Section) for one (1) year (the “Term”). Blizzard may terminate this Agreement immediately in the event that You:
* (a) commit a material breach any of representation, warranty or obligation made by You hereunder;
* (b) make or attempt any unauthorized assignment for the benefit of creditors, file any petition for reorganization, readjustment or rearrangement of Your business or affairs under the laws of any jurisdiction relating to relief of debtors, bankruptcy or insolvency;
* (c) suffer a receiver or trustee to be appointed for its business or property, or (c) discontinue Your business, or be adjudicated bankrupt or insolvent.

In such an event, all rights granted under this Agreement to You shall immediately and automatically expire, and You shall cease all exercise of any rights granted under this Agreement, including without limitation the Tournaments and use of materials that use Blizzard’s trademarks or copyrighted content.

6. Miscellaneous.

All costs, stamp duties, taxes and other similar levies arising from or in connection with the conclusion of this Agreement shall be borne by You. Neither party shall be liable for any delay in the performance of its duties or responsibilities contained herein that result from any cause beyond its reasonable control or caused by acts of God, acts of civil or military authorities, fires, strikes, floods, epidemics, governmental rules or regulations, terrorism, war, riot, delays in transportation or shortages. Blizzard’s relationship with You during the term of this Agreement will be that of an independent contractor. Failure to enforce any rights hereunder shall not constitute a waiver of those rights in the future or any other rights. If any provisions of this Agreement are invalid under any applicable statute or rule of law, they are, to that extent, deemed omitted, and the balance of this Agreement will be enforceable in accordance with its terms. This Agreement may not be modified or changed except by an instrument in writing executed by both parties. In the event of litigation between the parties hereto, the prevailing party shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees in addition to other relief as the court may award. This Agreement shall be construed and enforced in accordance with the law of the State of California, except for its conflict of laws provision, and all legal actions related to this Agreement shall be filed in Federal or State court in Los Angeles, California. This Agreement contains the entire understanding between the parties with respect to the subject of this Agreement supersedes all previous written or oral negotiations, commitments and undertakings related thereto. Sections 3, 4, and 6 shall survive any expiration or termination of this Agreement.


This says Blizzard Online Tournament, would it still be in effect for SSL?

I mean, in SC2 every bullshit they do is online, but BW actually has LAN and the SSL has been played offline (at least partially).
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:06:15
November 14 2012 11:05 GMT
#232
On November 14 2012 20:03 Kanil wrote:
On one hand, I like fuck Blizzard threads. Fuck Blizzard.

On the other, I'm really tired of SC2 vs BW threads. They're exhausting.

Let's focus on the positives and just chant "Fuck Blizzard" for a while, shall we?


this is most certainly the former nobody is focusing on the latter.
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
November 14 2012 11:07 GMT
#233
if it wasn a zvz i would be raging
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jk


die blizzard die
ace hwaiting!!
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19349 Posts
November 14 2012 11:07 GMT
#234
On November 14 2012 20:00 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Go host finals in Pyongyang, fuck these capitalist sharks!
...ahhhh sigh...so sad
really, fuck you blizzard...


this made me laugh lol

and btw
fuck you blizzard
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 14 2012 11:07 GMT
#235
Someone contact sonic and see how much the fee is.
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blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
November 14 2012 11:11 GMT
#236
Bizarre move from Blizz. Feel that they should've pointed out the lack of licensing but then drastically lowered the fee or just supported it or just turned a blind eye totally.

This game is why many of us bought SC II, sure, I don't follow the BW scene very closely anymore, but BW is what got me into RTS games in the first place.
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
November 14 2012 11:16 GMT
#237
Fucking idiots...
ErAsc2
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden256 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:23:31
November 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#238
I really wish Blizzard would be more a part of the community. I wanna hear them defending themselves at this, now we've just heard 1 side of the story and terrible posts like...
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!
...from bandwagoneers/witch-hunters.
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Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#239
I don't touch BW, and am fully on the SC2 bandwagon, and it doesn't deaden my disappointment in Blizzard for this. Balls.
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
November 14 2012 11:24 GMT
#240
What in the actual fuck, Blizzard? Just what are they thinking when they pull out this stupid crap? SSL is the rebirth of BW, it's glorious return to very roots and Blizzard steps in and kills it? And they are to sue Afreeca?

Just... WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD STOP TRYING TO KILL BW. YOU ALREADY DID IT ONCE, DON'T FINISH THE JOB.

On November 14 2012 16:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!

This.

On November 14 2012 20:04 Plexa wrote:
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On November 14 2012 19:58 iLoveKT wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.

This isn't a bad idea.

Also this, it's a way we could help provided Blizzard lowers the major-entertainment broadcasting company level fee.

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Rezudox
Profile Joined July 2012
207 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:27:33
November 14 2012 11:26 GMT
#241
Scumbag move. This should be front page news imo.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
November 14 2012 11:30 GMT
#242
This is really saddening.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:34:41
November 14 2012 11:30 GMT
#243
On November 14 2012 20:23 ErAsc2 wrote:
I really wish Blizzard would be more a part of the community. I wanna hear them defending themselves at this, now we've just heard 1 side of the story and terrible posts like...
Show nested quote +
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!
...from bandwagoneers/witch-hunters.


oh please, please tell me what blizzard's side of the story could have been for wanting to not only shut down this tournment but cripple Afreeca?

was I quick on my judgement? maybe, but its very unlikely that I would be proven to be wrong.

not to mention the timing of this.
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Profile Joined March 2011
Poland95 Posts
November 14 2012 11:32 GMT
#244
quick question. How much does this license cost?
thx bye
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 11:36:20
November 14 2012 11:33 GMT
#245
Sonic posted on PGR21.com

"Hello, this is BJ Sonic.

First I apologize once again for my carelessness, and disappointing everyone.
I will acquire a license properly, wrap things up properly by holding the final, and make sure something like this doesn't happen again.
I've never broke a license rule in Starcraft II...."

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안녕하세요. BJ 소닉입니다.
우선 경솔했던점에 대해. 그리고 실망하셧던분들에게 다시 한번 죄송합니다.
다시 한번 라이센스 결승전 제대로 따서. 결승전 진행 마무리 잘하고. 추후 이런일 없게 만들도록 하겠습니다.
스타크래프트2 같은 경우는.라이센스 어긴적도 없고. 위반했던적 없습니다....


Context wise, people on PGR21.com are getting on Sonic for being incompetent, saying there's almost no chance he didn't foresee this kind of issue given his position and the history of BJs and Blizzard games in Korea. Ofc, most people agree that Blizzard's ee han timing here was pretty awful.
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Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
November 14 2012 11:35 GMT
#246
Oh come on blizz. Your sc2 changes have been for the better recently but your PR department didnt realize fucking with the korean bw scene is stupid? Get the hell over yourselves, or wtleast coract sonic after a finals
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Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
November 14 2012 11:36 GMT
#247
Man I can't believe this...

Why does anyone want to support Blizzard when they do stuff like this? What do we do? Do we create a BW replica so we can have tournaments? This is really sad. I Hope TL puts this on the front page... we can't tolerate this shit.

Fuck man... Kim Carrier should get OGN to boycott SC2 unless Blizzard shuts up about fucking licenses for BW.
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
November 14 2012 11:43 GMT
#248
As much as I want to avoid participating in massive public outbursts of negative emotions, I think everyone agrees that this is fucking outrageous.
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DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
November 14 2012 11:46 GMT
#249
Thank you, Blizzard for making a SCToo.

I hope they will feel pain till the end of their days.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
November 14 2012 11:49 GMT
#250
Emo post:

Strong language!

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Omgggg Fuckers!! Never ever ever again will I buy any of your games! And I will tell all my friends that all your future games are pure shit. Just like you are Blizzard!
Forever Vulture.. :(
Kimdracula
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Panama59 Posts
November 14 2012 11:55 GMT
#251
Damn son, how could anyone "get on" Sonic for this? The man is BW Jesus. He has my full support and I'm happy to donate money to him, I hope he knows how appreciated his efforts are!
I quit BW.
SCnai
Profile Joined February 2010
322 Posts
November 14 2012 11:57 GMT
#252
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

The only positive is that now even the most benighted SC2 TL kiddie cannot deny Blizzard's intention is to destroy every last remnant of competitive BW.
The legend of the fall, which everyone thought was only a dream, is being revived! Carriers, the symbol of Protoss, the hope of a million Protoss fans, are reviving the legend!
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 11:58 GMT
#253
On November 14 2012 20:33 Waxangel wrote:
Sonic posted on PGR21.com

"Hello, this is BJ Sonic.

First I apologize once again for my carelessness, and disappointing everyone.
I will acquire a license properly, wrap things up properly by holding the final, and make sure something like this doesn't happen again.
I've never broke a license rule in Starcraft II...."

+ Show Spoiler +
안녕하세요. BJ 소닉입니다.
우선 경솔했던점에 대해. 그리고 실망하셧던분들에게 다시 한번 죄송합니다.
다시 한번 라이센스 결승전 제대로 따서. 결승전 진행 마무리 잘하고. 추후 이런일 없게 만들도록 하겠습니다.
스타크래프트2 같은 경우는.라이센스 어긴적도 없고. 위반했던적 없습니다....


Context wise, people on PGR21.com are getting on Sonic for being incompetent, saying there's almost no chance he didn't foresee this kind of issue given his position and the history of BJs and Blizzard games in Korea. Ofc, most people agree that Blizzard's ee han timing here was pretty awful.


Korean people are really weird if they attack him and saying that he is incompetent, and i tought some people here are the retarded ones
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Kimdracula
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Panama59 Posts
November 14 2012 12:01 GMT
#254
Yeah no shit. Pretty sure if we want BW to come back / remain alive the best option is to support Sonic regardless of whether or not he should have seen it coming. It's not like all the people bitching are doing anywhere near as much for BW in 2012.
I quit BW.
Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 12:02:30
November 14 2012 12:02 GMT
#255
this is fucking stupid, what the hell???
protoss living in da ghetto
atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
November 14 2012 12:02 GMT
#256
wow Blizzard really... You're shutting down an amateur tournament? You really want bw dead that much eh
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 14:10:26
November 14 2012 12:11 GMT
#257
A few thousand hardcore Brood War fans watching a tournament without Blizzard getting paid will sure take away a lot of potential money Blizzard could make!!!!!!!

AND

Of course they have to wait until the FUCKING FINALS, just like they waited until 2007 before doing anything about Brood War on TV.

FUCK

YOU

They're not even making money of this. All they're accomplishing, is killing what's left of StarCraft 1.

If this was a StarCraft 2 tournament, it would be allowed to run on its own, because it has a prize pool under $5000. But because it's Brood War, it has different rules. This OBVIOUSLY means that they just want to kill the game. Otherwise, it would have the same rules. These rules aren't even COMPARABLE to each other. And if you think I'm yelling because I'm using caps, it's because I am.

mod:Edited out the LOLs because they were obnoxious and I didn't want to warn
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
SoFool
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Malaysia96 Posts
November 14 2012 12:18 GMT
#258
well i mean we all know why but seriously, that tourney has been running for weeks. why now blizz? that's cheap
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
November 14 2012 12:20 GMT
#259
Well this sucks...
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Girtnes
Profile Joined November 2012
1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 12:27:54
November 14 2012 12:20 GMT
#260
Fuck the games industry and fuck Blizzard. They did the exact same thing with OGN (although, obviously, they didn't release a statement saying licensing issues were the reason because that was part of the Blizzard-OGN/Kespa agreements).

They kill off the scene of their most loyal fan base to make sure people buy their newest expansion at £30/copy. Fuck I hope this gets a ton of negative publicity on gaming sites or that's a huge fucking injustice there.

edit: also just read the part about afreeca getting hit with copyright lawsuit. nobody can say this isn't hard evidence they're trying to kill off the BW scene to make way for SC2.
Bobbias
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1373 Posts
November 14 2012 12:23 GMT
#261
Jesus, professional BW on OGN/MBC is over, and Blizz has SC2, why the hell do they care about sei-pro/amateur stuff like this :/
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
November 14 2012 12:28 GMT
#262
You've got to be fucking kidding
Sucker for nostalgia
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
November 14 2012 12:29 GMT
#263
WHAT THE FUCK?
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD;

User was temp banned for this post.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
November 14 2012 12:30 GMT
#264
That's a terrible decision by Blizz... I was really looking forward to this, and I know I'm not the only one.
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fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
November 14 2012 12:33 GMT
#265
Wow, dick move ><
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
November 14 2012 12:40 GMT
#266
It's a 14 year old game, the proscene is already dead, the community has decreased to about a 10th, but we're still alive, we still had something... Fuck you Blizzard for kicking a man that's down.
BW for life !
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
November 14 2012 12:41 GMT
#267
Good.

If not even Blizzard defends their Intellectual Property, who will?
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
November 14 2012 12:54 GMT
#268
Why is this not on the front page?
Sucker for nostalgia
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 14 2012 12:56 GMT
#269
Bad

Could have done it earlier rather than waiting for the finals to enforce their copyright infringement law .
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
November 14 2012 12:56 GMT
#270
On November 14 2012 21:41 SnowFantasy wrote:
Good.

If not even Blizzard defends their Intellectual Property, who will?


Estoppel.

People are acting like the letter of the law complies with its spirit. My entire ire with how Blizzard handled the KesPA lawsuit/SC2 transition was how blatant their change in conduct was, once they decided to establish a professional SC2 scene in Korea. This is especially apt with the licensing. I dunno how much Blizz pays its lawyers, but its right to sue on the basis of copyright should have been exercised long ago, and should have been challenged successfully on the basis of the principle of estoppel. They had YEARS to file a claim. They KNEW about the pro-scene. The fact that they acted only when the commercial interest peaked shows their blatant disregard of their own rights. In other words, they sat on their rights, and only acted (extremely quickly, I might add) when they felt that they wanted to get in on the pie.

And now this? After Browder and Co. go on about co-existence? To be sure, Sonic had a hand in this fiasco as well, since he probably knew about the new licensing issues, but again, why now? Why the timing before the finals? Why at the point where the Korean SC2 scene is stagnating and BW is starting to pick up again (albeit underground)?

Sigh.

Extremely disappointed at the pattern of behavior of Blizzard. It shows, once again, how little they understand the Korean proscene, and how much they underestimate the power of corporate "goodwill" in a fragile industry such as this.
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gutshot
Profile Joined February 2011
United States429 Posts
November 14 2012 12:58 GMT
#271
unfuckingreal.
they had to wait til the finals wtfffff
Jjhg
Profile Joined October 2012
11 Posts
November 14 2012 13:01 GMT
#272
Depressing. I've really been enjoying having a Brood War tournament to follow again.
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
November 14 2012 13:05 GMT
#273
This is amusing. I just can't take e-sports seriously any more.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 14 2012 13:06 GMT
#274
On November 14 2012 21:54 DropBear wrote:
Why is this not on the front page?


It is for me.

Sad day for bw, but not all is lost. There is still hope that the final will take place to a later time, right?
NinMa
Profile Joined November 2012
France1 Post
November 14 2012 13:09 GMT
#275
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD.

User was banned for this post.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
November 14 2012 13:10 GMT
#276
it's quite disappointing, it doesn't even seem to make sense from a marketing PoV
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Maynarde
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1286 Posts
November 14 2012 13:10 GMT
#277
On November 14 2012 22:09 NinMa wrote:
FUCK YOU BLIZZARD.


Wow, what a first post :o
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moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
November 14 2012 13:10 GMT
#278
Doesn't mean much but boycotting the rest of this GSL.
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2771 Posts
November 14 2012 13:12 GMT
#279
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS BLIZZARD?
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6284 Posts
November 14 2012 13:15 GMT
#280
On November 14 2012 22:10 moochu wrote:
Doesn't mean much but boycotting the rest of this GSL.

This whole site should boycott Blizzard, it would force them to be not idiots. Who knows, they might release BW-HD if they see how fucked they will get, or at least make Void a game worthy of the name Starcraft... but I don't see that happening soon, too much money at stake.
Now that I think about it if TL hadn't have hyped SC2 that much maybe... *sigh*
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
November 14 2012 13:18 GMT
#281
On November 14 2012 19:34 Falling wrote:
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On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

Ok. This is actually irritating me more than it ought to. Talk about arrogance. You pop in here all high and mighty saying what the BW forum is like these days. Actually, the BW subforum has been pretty upbeat and cheerful these days. You'd see more SC2 bashing in LR threads and the HotS subforum than you did in the BW subforum. The SC2 vs BW thing had kinda faded even. It was reasonably peaceable and forward looking.

There was hope. Things were picking up. We had new tournaments and old players coming back. And then this comes crashing down. A stake into these new found dreams. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, you show up at a gathering where news has just arrived of someone dear who might not make it.

And then you have the audacity to come in here and tell us we should take the high road. That this is the reason you don't like the BW subforum? Rain at a funeral man. Rain at a funeral.

This thread is not representative of the current state of BW subforums, nor will it be representative of it in the future. We're not even steamed about SC2 or SC2 fans. It's all about Blizzard.

I probably shouldn't have replied to that and I don't want to rabble. But there it is.

When you phrase it that way of course it will sound melodramatic. The situation is that someone didn't handle the licensing correctly and that's mostly it. Just because it fits in the preconceived ideas of the posters who hate Blizzard doesn't excuse half of the posts being "!@#$ blizzard" and the other half being "SC2 is !@#$ing awful". It's not a good idea to post on a forum when you're highly emotional, I mean, people get banned for posting drunk.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 14 2012 13:19 GMT
#282
On November 14 2012 21:41 SnowFantasy wrote:
Good.

If not even Blizzard defends their Intellectual Property, who will?


If not even the audience stands up to the retarded legislation and companies that enforce it, who will?
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 14 2012 13:23 GMT
#283
I, what? Does it really matter to have the licenses? I was looking forward to watching the finals...
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 13:29:28
November 14 2012 13:26 GMT
#284
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
November 14 2012 13:31 GMT
#285
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
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On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.

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SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 13:38:57
November 14 2012 13:33 GMT
#286
Blizzard's greed have no limit
and that's pretty sad

also anyone that cares about this should boycott HotS; the only way to show you don't support this company's actions is with your wallet.
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Anyx
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovakia36 Posts
November 14 2012 13:38 GMT
#287
It is hard to see how once beloved game company has been entagled with greed and hate to own child.
Polarexia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States383 Posts
November 14 2012 13:38 GMT
#288
Absolutely disgusting
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
November 14 2012 13:40 GMT
#289
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.

I'm not saying Blizzard aren't being dicks here, but I'd like to know the whole story before I get on the bandwagon. What did Blizzard want?
stevewch
Profile Joined February 2006
Hong Kong216 Posts
November 14 2012 13:45 GMT
#290
On November 14 2012 22:33 SagaZ wrote:
Blizzard's greed have no limit
and that's pretty sad

also anyone that cares about this should boycott HotS; the only way to show you don't support this company's actions is with your wallet.

sure, sc2 isnt good no matter what add on it is going to have.
that's some fundamental problems, it cant be solved unless the whole game is to be remade.
if bw cant broadcast in KOR then i will watch cosl..
china seems to be the last heaven of bw?
SC forever!
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
November 14 2012 13:47 GMT
#291
On November 14 2012 16:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen would you please join me in the attempt to make the Biggest fuck you to Blizzard in Internet History?

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!


Might as well join in the rallying cry. This is an incredibly cruel and retarded move from Blizzard.

FUCK OFF BLIZZARD!
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 14 2012 13:48 GMT
#292
On November 14 2012 22:40 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.

I'm not saying Blizzard aren't being dicks here, but I'd like to know the whole story before I get on the bandwagon. What did Blizzard want?


I see the word WHOLE STORY and I think yeah probably I could get the whole story if I was sonic best friend .

Definitely not the whole story here .. especially when the terms could(sonic didn't even release the letter or email he received) be really picky,meticulous or what should I call it overzealous ? This are my assumptions but what the hell, for the record we are talking about blizzard here.


Hi, Its BJ Sonic
First off, I apologize for having to deliver sad news. The feeling of having reached my limit.. makes me very discouraged.
As I was preparing this finals, I was just as if not more so uneasy and in anticipation.
Currently, streaming starcraft in restricted. The finals and the starleague to come are put in a diffcult situation.
I spoke with Blizzard Korea, In order to broadcast I need buy a license to host the finals and one to broadcast. The conditions are also very meticulous/picky. Only two the until the final and I get this call..
I am currently in the process of negotiating.
I most likely won't get an approval by this weekend.. The starleague has to be canceled for now.. I want to host the finals as just an individual broadcasting jockey (I think he means not tied to Afreeca/Nowcom) but no real message is getting through.
There are already contracts that are in place, and big losses in funds and to top it off this.. My heart aches.
I am in the process of tirelessly looking for some kind of solution.
Having found a location for the finals, everything was set up and managed so well but this situation happened.. I am really in a state of shock.
It's going to take an even bigger amount of funds to buy licenses for Brood War. It's become incredibly difficult to even broadcast Brood War on my Afreeca stream.
As a broadcasting jockey, I'm not sure how to even handle this situation.. Just..sigh..
First, I will continue to give it my all.. I will continue to keep you all updated.
Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..
In order to obtain a Blizzard License it'll take approximately 2 weeks.. it would be impossible to obtain a license within this week (for the finals).

To begin with, there's the issue of obtaining 2 licenses.. I will continue to update you all.

Until I obtain a license for the finals I am not able to do anything.
Whether its the SinbalFarm Offline or the Online Broadcast..
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 13:51:00
November 14 2012 13:48 GMT
#293
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

More information, hearing all sides? Maybe Blizzard Korea was somewhat mischaracterized or misunderstood? Maybe Blizzard Korea acted without consent or without even informing Blizzard HQ? Maybe the real issue lies deeper and the license trouble is only a surface issue? Maybe the SSL was organized very slopplily without getting Blizzard's confirmation to run this large tournament at all and now the tournament blames Blizzard for their own faults?

Or maybe Blizzard does consist of acclowns who think that with OSL transistioned to SC2, it's time to shut down any effort to run a good BW tourey? We don't know unless we get more information.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 14 2012 13:56 GMT
#294
I still don't understand how people can be so blind against this shit (I don't mean TL people, but people in general). Once something is "on the computer" it miraculously becomes "intelectual" property, not just property.

I am using this paralel everytime in the discussion with IP fanatics and all the time their arguments are just blabbering - how comes that rallye organizators don't have to pay to the car manufacturers licence fees for using their product in broadcasting? It's only because it is "physical", whereas things like SC2 are "intelectual". But this difference makes no sense in today's world, when almost everything that matters is online.

Laws that would end this mess need to be expediently enacted across the worlds. It needs to be clearly said that you have the right to BUY software and other "intelectual" property as much as you have the right to buy physical objects - and that you can to what you please with them afterwards. Otherwise we are just going to be slaves of big comapnies forever.

I am not advocating software piracy. Selling unauthorized copies of software should be punishable. But using the software in however matter I please should NOT.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
November 14 2012 13:57 GMT
#295
Well by the looks of this Blizzard's only fuckup was the timing, Sonic on the other hand should have known about the licensing requirement before he began. Either he made a major blunder or tried to slip the tournament without paying, hoping blizzard wouldn't notice/care. Not as simple as fuck blizzard imo.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
November 14 2012 13:59 GMT
#296
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
November 14 2012 14:02 GMT
#297
On November 14 2012 22:48 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:40 Ribbon wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.

I'm not saying Blizzard aren't being dicks here, but I'd like to know the whole story before I get on the bandwagon. What did Blizzard want?


I see the word WHOLE STORY and I think yeah probably I could get the whole story if I was sonic best friend .

Definitely not the whole story here .. especially when the terms could(sonic didn't even release the letter or email he received) be really picky,meticulous or what should I call it overzealous ? This are my assumptions but what the hell, for the record we are talking about blizzard here.


My assumption is that it's closer to Blizzard's rules for SC2 tournaments. Totalbiscuit had to shut down an SC2 tournament because Blizz wanted half the ad revenue. Maybe Blizzard wanted a licensing fee, or their logo all over everything, or just want BW tournaments to be cleared by them in advance to protect the IP.

Maybe Blizz Korea are a bunch of douchebags, and everyone on the anger train is right. But I doubt Blizz shut the tournament down solely because they didn't want it going on.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
November 14 2012 14:02 GMT
#298
Licensing is an absolute sham. It continues to blow my mind that courts have been hoodwinked into buying this nonsense about "intellectual property" hook, line and sinker.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9505 Posts
November 14 2012 14:03 GMT
#299
On November 14 2012 22:59 Waxangel wrote:
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.

There's also a problem of BW license fee beeing way too expensive, for someone like Sonic who's funding most of the things from his own pocket.

I agree with the guy who mentioned that maybe we could get in contact with Sonic and offer to gather money to pay for his license fee.
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
juzlol
Profile Joined January 2011
United States125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 14:05:06
November 14 2012 14:03 GMT
#300
On November 14 2012 20:04 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 19:58 iLoveKT wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:55 Gamegene wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:52 Pro7ecT wrote:
There is the "Blizzard Entertainment Online Tournament Agreement", it's a little bit an older version, but anyways..

...

* (e) You may hold the Tournament in any country other than the Republic of Korea;


~_~

It says the license is specifically for SC2:WoL though. It would be nice if we could do something like make a donation to Sonic for license fee.

This isn't a bad idea.


I'm just posting to say that I really agree with this idea. I think it would be great to set up a donation to help Sonic pay the license fee. While I'm not entirely sure how much the license would cost, it would still be nice if we saw something like this so we could help him even if it was in the very slightest.
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 14:13:54
November 14 2012 14:13 GMT
#301
Can't they at least try go to Mike Morhaime and ask for a big discount/waive or something while negotiating future licensing? Edit: They aren't currently enemies, are they?
"Eyes in the sky."
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
November 14 2012 14:20 GMT
#302
I'm down with TL helping him pay the license fee. I'm still a student and I don't make money yet, but I'm willing to give all the real money I got/will get from D3 lol. It's not that much, but I really want to help too.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 14:20 GMT
#303
I was thinking about tweeting Mike Morhaime, or sending an email, but im close to 100% he would never read it or just way too late for him to do anything.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
November 14 2012 14:22 GMT
#304
On November 14 2012 23:20 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was thinking about tweeting Mike Morhaime, or sending an email, but im close to 100% he would never read it or just way too late for him to do anything.


We could complain on the Bnet forums.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 14 2012 14:26 GMT
#305
On November 14 2012 22:40 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.
I believe there are separate licensing conditions for Korea (compared with the rest of the world.)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
November 14 2012 14:35 GMT
#306
So why cant SSL make it global/non korean tournament for separate licensing?
Sumadin
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark588 Posts
November 14 2012 14:36 GMT
#307
On November 14 2012 23:02 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:48 Sawamura wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:40 Ribbon wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.

I'm not saying Blizzard aren't being dicks here, but I'd like to know the whole story before I get on the bandwagon. What did Blizzard want?


I see the word WHOLE STORY and I think yeah probably I could get the whole story if I was sonic best friend .

Definitely not the whole story here .. especially when the terms could(sonic didn't even release the letter or email he received) be really picky,meticulous or what should I call it overzealous ? This are my assumptions but what the hell, for the record we are talking about blizzard here.


My assumption is that it's closer to Blizzard's rules for SC2 tournaments. Totalbiscuit had to shut down an SC2 tournament because Blizz wanted half the ad revenue. Maybe Blizzard wanted a licensing fee, or their logo all over everything, or just want BW tournaments to be cleared by them in advance to protect the IP.

Maybe Blizz Korea are a bunch of douchebags, and everyone on the anger train is right. But I doubt Blizz shut the tournament down solely because they didn't want it going on.


I wanted to stay out of this thread but the amought of missinformation in this thread is atrocious.

TB's shoutcraft invitational was never shut down by Blizzard, because it was always on the 5k limit that Blizzard allows for tournements without licence(for SC2). Infact if i recall correctly he was granted a licence some time ago to hold a tournement above that after some work he did for Blizzard(can't rememper what).

What put Shoutcraft invitational on hold was and is still to this day the immence oversaturation of the SC2 scene. There havn't been an appropiate weekend all year.
The basic key to beating a priest is playing a deck that is terrible.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 14:45 GMT
#308
On November 14 2012 23:22 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 23:20 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was thinking about tweeting Mike Morhaime, or sending an email, but im close to 100% he would never read it or just way too late for him to do anything.


We could complain on the Bnet forums.


Personally i never was fan of whining on official forums, dont think so you could get far even with a well written complaiment. And i'm not even sure there is a forum for BW tournaments and / or anyone would read it in time
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
November 14 2012 14:47 GMT
#309
On November 14 2012 22:59 Waxangel wrote:
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.

Sonis is at fault but all things considered, Blizzard is asking for a shitstorm by blocking finals of a league. It's not like they didn't know until know that it exists and it's not like they would suffer significant lose if they would approach Sonic only after the final. The timing is terrible but what's worse it's probably deliberately terrible.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
November 14 2012 14:52 GMT
#310
Can someone get in contact with sonic so we can start some kind of donation? Maybe TL can set something up on a this website, or we can use gofundme, etc
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Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 14 2012 14:53 GMT
#311
SBWI to the rescue? Please ?
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
November 14 2012 14:54 GMT
#312
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:

I am requesting a 2 day ban.
User was temp banned for this post.

lol???

but so sad
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
November 14 2012 15:05 GMT
#313
i love sc2... but not cool blizzard. let the oldies play their game in peace.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 14 2012 15:07 GMT
#314
On November 14 2012 23:54 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:

I am requesting a 2 day ban.
User was temp banned for this post.

lol???

but so sad

People are passionate about BW enough that some of us view this as absolutely despicable to do on Blizzard's part while also acknowledging that Sonic fucked up on not making sure he had it completely cleared with them. But if it comes out that he was being misdirected or delayed in any way even if he had applied early for this, it would only make Blizz's position much worse. Frankly, Blizz Korea also hitting on Afreeca for restreamers/BJs is a very bad business move for them.
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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 14 2012 15:09 GMT
#315
This is absolutely ridiculous. I would be shocked if we don't see an official statement from Blizzard explaining why they are doing this. There has to be more to the story than we are being told.

Also, Blizzard's legal department has a history of shoot first, ask questions later when it comes to copyright lawsuits. The World of Starcraft custom game was given a cease-and-desist and threatened with a lawsuit, only to have the cease-and-desist lifted once it was actually reviewed.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 14 2012 15:13 GMT
#316
This is some of the worst news to wake up to. I'm gonna have a bitter taste in my mouth all day.
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Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
November 14 2012 15:15 GMT
#317
On November 14 2012 23:54 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:

I am requesting a 2 day ban.
User was temp banned for this post.

lol???

but so sad


Lol he did it to save himself from a worse ban than he requested so he didnt rage on the forums smart choice :D

Also Kespa was running without a blizzard license for the longest time I thought... Never played BW much besides the campaign after I knew about the game and still kind of find this as an asshole thing to do to the tournament organizer. Works probably alot of hours and pours so much money into it and then this come along.. Hope you guys are able to solve the problem and continue on with the tournament. GLGL :D
Sirrush
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
November 14 2012 15:15 GMT
#318
What in the actual fuck, Blizzard!?
Words.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
November 14 2012 15:16 GMT
#319
fuckity fuck fuck.

it's not just the league, I can hypothetically understand that (especially since future SSL had a like 15k sponsor lined up; it's big money), but if nowcom got a lawsuit then wtf can they do? "no one stream brood war anymore kk thanks"?

just fucking kicking the community down for no gain.
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Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
November 14 2012 15:20 GMT
#320
I'm completely not surprised blizzard would do this kind of shit, but that really really sucks. I don't know why they couldn't just wait until this season is over and then make him get a permit. Activision probably has a lot to do with this.
Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 15:26:50
November 14 2012 15:26 GMT
#321
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 15:41:20
November 14 2012 15:39 GMT
#322
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 14 2012 15:42 GMT
#323
Blizzard, go fuck yourself.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
SedativeDev
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia316 Posts
November 14 2012 15:43 GMT
#324
On November 14 2012 22:59 Waxangel wrote:
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.


Amen to that. No need to pitchforking blizzard.

The only one who is responsible for this is the tournament organizer.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
November 14 2012 15:45 GMT
#325
lol ofc blizzard would send that notice at this time

of course they would
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Thug[ro]
Profile Joined October 2005
Romania340 Posts
November 14 2012 15:45 GMT
#326
Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
November 14 2012 15:50 GMT
#327
On November 15 2012 00:45 ]343[ wrote:
lol ofc blizzard would send that notice at this time

of course they would


Definitely the worst part of this. The tourney has been going on for weeks but they decide now's a good time to make an issue out of it.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
November 14 2012 15:52 GMT
#328
I am glad I am reading this imminently after waking up, because if I found out about this at full consciousness, something would be broken right now.

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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
November 14 2012 15:54 GMT
#329
what a thing to wake up to.
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
November 14 2012 15:54 GMT
#330
It surprised me that this news didn't surprise me.
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Gatsbizzle
Profile Joined March 2010
United States132 Posts
November 14 2012 15:56 GMT
#331
Just shaking my head right now. Goddamnit Blizz, just let the game be after all this time...
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chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
November 14 2012 16:01 GMT
#332
The absolute worst fucking timing by Blizzard. This is incredibly depressing.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
November 14 2012 16:03 GMT
#333
I don't even watch BW anymore and I'm mad.
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Carefoot
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada410 Posts
November 14 2012 16:05 GMT
#334
On November 15 2012 01:03 IntoTheWow wrote:
I don't even watch BW anymore and I'm mad.

As a Blizzard 'customer' I can say I read this while playing Heart of the Swarm and to be honest I can't make myself hit that match making button right now. I feel queasy. I can't not trust my gut and my gut says goodbye Blizzard.
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Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
November 14 2012 16:09 GMT
#335
What a fucking joke
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XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
November 14 2012 16:10 GMT
#336

Our team is reaching out to them to give them permission to continue.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Rezudox
Profile Joined July 2012
207 Posts
November 14 2012 16:15 GMT
#337
On November 15 2012 01:10 Xacez wrote:
https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800
Show nested quote +
Our team is reaching out to them to give them permission to continue.


Pending releases are like election years. Outrage will get things done.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 16:17:00
November 14 2012 16:16 GMT
#338
God fucking damnit. Why the fuck did they feel the need to do this?

I'm restarting my Blizzard boycott. It won't accomplish shit of course, but still.
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malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
November 14 2012 16:19 GMT
#339
wow way to kill a game when its already down blizzard
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Pucca
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Taiwan1280 Posts
November 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#340
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 16:23:27
November 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#341
[image loading]

I'm late, whatever, want people to see instead of continuing to say the same things as before.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#342
On November 15 2012 01:10 Xacez wrote:
https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800
Show nested quote +
Our team is reaching out to them to give them permission to continue.


alright, for the first time in my life whining bitching and moaning on the forums resulted in something for me.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 14 2012 16:25 GMT
#343
Still even after allowing, bad PR by them, not gonna buy their games anymore. Good thing Dota 2 is strong in SEA region here.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
dragonsuper
Profile Joined October 2010
Liechtenstein222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 16:32:10
November 14 2012 16:30 GMT
#344
Good move blizzard , i hope that now this can wake up all the people who hasn't understood yet WHAT blizzard IS NOW.



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A great PIECE OF SHIT



Obviously i won't buy HOTS and i'll try to keep ALL the people i know from Buying it.



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lol
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 14 2012 16:34 GMT
#345
On November 15 2012 01:30 dragonsuper wrote:
Good move blizzard , i hope that now this can wake up all the people who hasn't understood yet WHAT blizzard IS NOW.



+ Show Spoiler +
A great PIECE OF SHIT



Obviously i won't buy HOTS and i'll try to keep ALL the people i know from Buying it.



Unfortunately, the ordinary people/casuals and those who don't read forums much, won't know about this shit and will still give Blizz tons of sale.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 14 2012 16:35 GMT
#346
On November 14 2012 23:03 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:59 Waxangel wrote:
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.

There's also a problem of BW license fee beeing way too expensive, for someone like Sonic who's funding most of the things from his own pocket.

I agree with the guy who mentioned that maybe we could get in contact with Sonic and offer to gather money to pay for his license fee.


That would be great.
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#347
Well i always knew Mike is a full geek inside and good to see its showing. As for the whole issue, i think Blizzard's korean department took the rules a bit more strictly or just wanted to be an overall dickhead

Would be cool if you could stop this blizzard hate train.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 16:41 GMT
#348
I just wanted to point out this isnt the first tournament hosted with a sponsor and a prize pool over $500.. Starcraft on afreeca just came to be. Zergman was saying yesterday how afreeca broadcasts of starcraft began from one or two streamers who liked playing starcraft and wanted to broadcast it. And sonic always did mention the game is so old that even the proscene is gone, he just wantes to revive the game he loved so much. Sure sonic messed up he should known the rules but I mean sonic is not a poor man but to see him go through that much trouble over licensing fees just shows how big of a price tag Blizzard put on this thing.. they also want one license for finals and another to broadcast. Two licenses to purchase for an individual. and on top of that instead of nowcom paying any fees to allow starcraft to be broadcasted on afreeca, they are considering not allowing starcraft streams. if the profits/viewers < Licensing Fees just how much is Blizzard charging?!.. I can only assume its quite a hefty fee -_- I just hope blizzard can try and work with sonic.. sonic understands he made a mistake he even posted saying he will resolve this issue as professionally as possible.. but in the event the finals are only able to happen AFTER Pusan goes to army I cant help but rage then >
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
November 14 2012 16:42 GMT
#349
Well I do hope they are able to contiune and have the finals on the 17th like before. I really want to go and support the finals and sonic.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
November 14 2012 16:47 GMT
#350
The hyperbole in this thread is just astounding. Are you people capable of rational thought?
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 14 2012 16:51 GMT
#351
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
November 14 2012 16:54 GMT
#352
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Yeah, because in most places copyright lasts 70 years after the death of the author(s) (...or forever and a day) and is ridiculously broad in what it covers. No, it doesn't make sense in my opinion but that's the world we live in...
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
November 14 2012 16:55 GMT
#353
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Companies can claim copyright infringement if you stream their games, yeah. Nobody actually does this, generally. But that's the easiest claim to get things taken down with. Even if the legal waters are muddy, the threat of lawsuit is good enough to get most websites to comply.
TehRei
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:16:00
November 14 2012 16:59 GMT
#354
Remember when Blizzard were nice people who actually cared about their games, their players and their fans?

...

Me neither.


EDIT: If Mike Morhaime lives up to his tweets I'll partially retract the above statement. I still think there's loads of douchebags at Blizz, but in this case it might've only been Blizzard Korea who fucked up big time.
Of course sonic isn't completely blameless either, but the fact that Blizzard goes after a small tournament in a relatively small niche is absolutely disgusting, regardless of the circumstances. Even more so when they're stopping the finals of the tournament in question.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:01:24
November 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#355
On November 15 2012 01:37 Darksoldierr wrote:
Well i always knew Mike is a full geek inside and good to see its showing. As for the whole issue, i think Blizzard's korean department took the rules a bit more strictly or just wanted to be an overall dickhead

Would be cool if you could stop this blizzard hate train.

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#356
On November 15 2012 01:55 goiflin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Companies can claim copyright infringement if you stream their games, yeah. Nobody actually does this, generally. But that's the easiest claim to get things taken down with. Even if the legal waters are muddy, the threat of lawsuit is good enough to get most websites to comply.


Hmm interesting ...how about this ?

What if we are the owners of the game and that I mean purchase broodwar original copy and decided to stream it online ? I bought the game for the purpose of enjoying it and also as a legal owner of the game copy that I purchase . Do I have not the right to show my enjoyment to other users ?. Can that also constitute CI ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
November 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#357
Why would you do this Blizzard, WHY? This is nothing but bad PR, you've already succeeded in killing the real BW pro scene this is just sad.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
November 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#358
On November 15 2012 02:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 01:55 goiflin wrote:
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Companies can claim copyright infringement if you stream their games, yeah. Nobody actually does this, generally. But that's the easiest claim to get things taken down with. Even if the legal waters are muddy, the threat of lawsuit is good enough to get most websites to comply.


Hmm interesting ...how about this ?

What if we are the owners of the game and that I mean purchase broodwar original copy and decided to stream it online ? I bought the game for the purpose of enjoying it and also as a legal owner of the game copy that I purchase . Do I have not the right to show my enjoyment to other users ?. Can that also constitute CI ?


Depends on the country, I'd imagine. In America, at least, yeah. They can stop you from doing it under CI.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:11:10
November 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#359
On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.


I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed.

They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after.

In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol).

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.


I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:18:52
November 14 2012 17:17 GMT
#360
Damnit blizzard.
Hrmm if mike comes through i might withdraw that statement.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 17:25 GMT
#361
On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.


I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed.

They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after.

In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol).

Show nested quote +
Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.


I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.

I just want to point out the prize pool is
1st: 4million won
2nd: 2 million won
3rd: 1 million won
the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500...
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
November 14 2012 17:26 GMT
#362
Terrible news, fuck Blizzard for doing it like this T_T
MstrJinbo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1251 Posts
November 14 2012 17:28 GMT
#363
On November 15 2012 02:26 Lucumo wrote:
Terrible news, fuck Blizzard for doing it like this T_T


It looks like the higher powers up in blizzard are intervening so there's still hope.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
November 14 2012 17:31 GMT
#364
Mike Morhaime ‏@mikemorhaime

@SaintSnorlax Our team is reaching out to them to give them permission to continue.

Things are looking like they might turn around.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 18:20:34
November 14 2012 17:33 GMT
#365
On November 15 2012 02:25 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.


I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed.

They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after.

In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol).

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.


I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.

I just want to point out the prize pool is
1st: 4million won
2nd: 2 million won
3rd: 1 million won
the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500...


Very well.

But still:

1 Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).

2 Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)

3 They waited until the finals before doing anything.

4 They are sending (or at the very least publicly stated that they are considering sending) copyright notices to Brood War streams on Afreeca, but have never sent in such a notice to any private StarCraft 2 stream, despite StarCraft 2 generating more ad revenue from streaming.

So they're still assholes.

Also, damn, $6400 prize pool. I know this is old news, but I'm impressed and surprised.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
November 14 2012 17:38 GMT
#366
Blizzard saving SC2 the only way they know how.
Long live BroodWar!
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 17:39 GMT
#367
On November 15 2012 02:33 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 02:25 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.


I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed.

They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after.

In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol).

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.


I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.

I just want to point out the prize pool is
1st: 4million won
2nd: 2 million won
3rd: 1 million won
the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500...


Very well.

But still:

Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).

Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)

They waited until the finals before doing anything.

So they're still assholes.

Also, damn, $6400 prize pool. I know this is old news, but I'm impressed and surprised.

haha vodtoastive been saying this same thing since page 1 im not trying argue with you just pointing out some facts ive said it before in previous posts but this isnt the first tournament with a sponsor and a prize pool over 500$. its just the timing blizzard decided to intervene.. just days before a pretty major finals and the they simultaneously slam down TWO licenses that you need to pay for.. i dont think i could ever think oh blizzars found out just now its just bad timing.. i cant help but think this is all planned out.. it just straight up looks like they are trying to prevent sonic from carrying out a bw final T-T it makes me so sad
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
November 14 2012 17:40 GMT
#368
man this thread escalated quickly
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 14 2012 17:45 GMT
#369
On November 15 2012 02:39 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 02:33 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 02:25 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 02:04 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.


I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed.

They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after.

In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol).

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.


I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.

I just want to point out the prize pool is
1st: 4million won
2nd: 2 million won
3rd: 1 million won
the total prize pool is 7 million won and that converts to roughly 6400USD.. but the terms for bw/korea have the limit at $500...


Very well.

But still:

Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).

Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)

They waited until the finals before doing anything.

So they're still assholes.

Also, damn, $6400 prize pool. I know this is old news, but I'm impressed and surprised.

haha vodtoastive been saying this same thing since page 1 im not trying argue with you just pointing out some facts ive said it before in previous posts but this isnt the first tournament with a sponsor and a prize pool over 500$. its just the timing blizzard decided to intervene.. just days before a pretty major finals and the they simultaneously slam down TWO licenses that you need to pay for.. i dont think i could ever think oh blizzars found out just now its just bad timing.. i cant help but think this is all planned out.. it just straight up looks like they are trying to prevent sonic from carrying out a bw final T-T it makes me so sad


Thanks for letting me know about the prize pool. I like being aware of facts.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
shaggles
Profile Joined October 2011
Poland108 Posts
November 14 2012 17:47 GMT
#370
First, let me skip the flame part, my English is not good enough for it.

Second, I stay away from calling SC2 the reason for it, Blizzard has definitely stronger competitors ATM, and should care for them. There are lot of brainless games with millions of supporters they should consider dangerous to their simplified stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +

About a year ago I was considering a purchase of SC2. Not any more, they are going no place, I would like to find myself in. This is unfortunately the general market trend. Quite a long time ago, top players were making unbelievable things with Quake 3 Railguns, while Auto-Aim was considered a hack and insta-banned. Now it is a standard. Let me quote famous Polish poet:

...A beautiful church
But [there is] no God inside



Third there is a lot of job for legal department here. But first there must be a community to be a contracting party. And we should make one.

Finally, I wonder how much are the full and exclusive owner rights for StarCraft Brood War?. Perhaps Blizzard does not deserve to have it anymore? How much does it cost to make it public property - once and forever? To wipe out Blizzard name from the box? It is neither supported, nor developed. So perhaps they may like to sell it once and for all?

I play the Chess of Computer Age
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
November 14 2012 17:51 GMT
#371
ESPORTS #1
the courage to be a lazy bum
LTY
Profile Joined November 2012
United States223 Posts
November 14 2012 17:54 GMT
#372
Wow this is sooo disappointing to hear. I wonder how Sonic feels TtT
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rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
November 14 2012 17:58 GMT
#373
YESSSSSSSSS MIKE MORHAIME SAYS BLIZZ IS TRYING TO REACH SONIC TO GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO CONTINUE
https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800
WHOooOoOoOoOOOOOO
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
November 14 2012 18:03 GMT
#374
wait, you're telling me, blizzard aren't dicks and this probably happened outside of the scope of Blizzard HQ, and probably didn't realize how important/big this tournament was and how shitty the timing was because they're legal department != their esports department!

wow, blizzard sure are dicks!

bet you haters feel stupid now.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4353 Posts
November 14 2012 18:04 GMT
#375
On November 15 2012 01:47 Bagi wrote:
The hyperbole in this thread is just astounding. Are you people capable of rational thought?

You are poking the bear here sir.

This tournament is the jewel in the crown of the amateur scene revival for this game. Blocking it would be a very bitter blow, probably even more so than the enforced switch of Proleague and OSL to sc2.

This tournament is important to people.
Sucker for nostalgia
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
November 14 2012 18:09 GMT
#376
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.

TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.

User was temp banned for this post.
RDaneelOlivaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Vatican City State733 Posts
November 14 2012 18:09 GMT
#377
REally Blizzard? lol. This is ridiculous. And I don't even watch BW anymore...
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 18:12 GMT
#378
On November 15 2012 02:58 rotinegg wrote:
YESSSSSSSSS MIKE MORHAIME SAYS BLIZZ IS TRYING TO REACH SONIC TO GIVE HIM PERMISSION TO CONTINUE
https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800
WHOooOoOoOoOOOOOO

i really really hope things work out well.. mike seems like a really chill guy!
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
November 14 2012 18:12 GMT
#379
Also, to be honest, if this is the reaction they get for a minor licencing issue (they happen all the time) then I'd be of the opinion that I WOULD kill BW just to irritate people who clearly hate their company. Frankly, I wouldn't do anything for any of you.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 18:15 GMT
#380
On November 15 2012 03:09 Evangelist wrote:
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.

TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.

yea .... that's why they had forced shutdowns of BW leagues, and are sending in a copyright notice for BW streams on Afreeca (but not SC2). Yea they really think BW still being played and loved is soooo awesome.. yep.

It'd be cool if Mike fixed things up in the end, but in the end Blizzard is still a massive dick for trying to shut it down to begin with.
Writerptrk
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 18:39:46
November 14 2012 18:16 GMT
#381
On November 15 2012 03:09 Evangelist wrote:
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.

TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.


What is your response to my arguments?


1 Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).

2 Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)

3 They waited until the finals before doing anything.

4 They are sending (or at the very least publicly stated that they are considering sending) copyright notices to Brood War streams on Afreeca, but have never sent in such a notice to any private StarCraft 2 stream, despite StarCraft 2 generating more ad revenue from streaming.


What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 18:17 GMT
#382
for all of you "oh-so-rational" people high and mighty about how we're being irrational and our reaction is unwarranted, judging our community .. let me requote Falling here
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?
Writerptrk
TarsolyGer
Profile Joined April 2012
Hungary9 Posts
November 14 2012 18:22 GMT
#383
I WANT A PRO-BROODWAR ONLINE PETITION!!

Seriously, we, the fans are obliged to show our power. I want Blizzard to know that I still love watching professional and semi-professional BroodWar, and I am even the heretic to PLAY BROOD WAR.

Please, do something
Sajiki
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany522 Posts
November 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#384
this is so unbelievable..

i was already disappointed in them but this is beyond anything. theyve gone too far. such a douchebag move.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 18:31 GMT
#385
On November 15 2012 03:22 TarsolyGer wrote:
I WANT A PRO-BROODWAR ONLINE PETITION!!

Seriously, we, the fans are obliged to show our power. I want Blizzard to know that I still love watching professional and semi-professional BroodWar, and I am even the heretic to PLAY BROOD WAR.

Please, do something

i think a petition would be a great idea to get the message to blizzard
Potling
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway298 Posts
November 14 2012 18:33 GMT
#386
On November 15 2012 03:31 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:22 TarsolyGer wrote:
I WANT A PRO-BROODWAR ONLINE PETITION!!

Seriously, we, the fans are obliged to show our power. I want Blizzard to know that I still love watching professional and semi-professional BroodWar, and I am even the heretic to PLAY BROOD WAR.

Please, do something

i think a petition would be a great idea to get the message to blizzard

What makes you think they would care?
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 18:35 GMT
#387
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

i want to point out too that its not really a couple days before the tourney. if this happened before 7th ssl began id be bummed out that it has to be delayed but it wouldve been less of a shock. they decided to intervene right before the climax of the tournament, right before the finals and use that opportunity to slam down two licenses at once.. it just doesnt seem right. to me its clear blizzard knew of this and attacked when it would hurt the most.
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 18:37:11
November 14 2012 18:36 GMT
#388
Looks like Mike Morhaime might be trying to fix/allow it to continue. Thanks WaxAngel!

https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

edit: looks like it's already been posted =\
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Sumadin
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark588 Posts
November 14 2012 18:36 GMT
#389
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.
The basic key to beating a priest is playing a deck that is terrible.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 18:37 GMT
#390
On November 15 2012 03:33 Potling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:31 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:22 TarsolyGer wrote:
I WANT A PRO-BROODWAR ONLINE PETITION!!

Seriously, we, the fans are obliged to show our power. I want Blizzard to know that I still love watching professional and semi-professional BroodWar, and I am even the heretic to PLAY BROOD WAR.

Please, do something

i think a petition would be a great idea to get the message to blizzard

What makes you think they would care?

i think even if they dont necessarily care... wouldnt it at least be bad for blizzards public image? i just want our voice to be heard
TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 18:41:38
November 14 2012 18:39 GMT
#391
On November 15 2012 03:17 ArvickHero wrote:
for all of you "oh-so-rational" people high and mighty about how we're being irrational and our reaction is unwarranted, judging our community .. let me requote Falling here
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed too in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 18:44:33
November 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#392
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Voidsoul
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany154 Posts
November 14 2012 18:43 GMT
#393
On November 15 2012 03:12 Evangelist wrote:
Also, to be honest, if this is the reaction they get for a minor licencing issue (they happen all the time) then I'd be of the opinion that I WOULD kill BW just to irritate people who clearly hate their company. Frankly, I wouldn't do anything for any of you.


I really liked your post, because despite trying to insult us little, confused pygmys from your high horse you managed to hit the nail on the head. They are - in fact - not doing anything for any of us right now. If that is the case, because they feel offended by our opinions (which are at least partially backed by facts) or not I can't say. You missed one point though. This is not a minor licensing issue as this is not a minor tourney. It's the only one we have at that level of play. Many of us posters even acknowledge that they are somewhat right to do something like this; the timing is what we take issue with.

As it was said before: I'm shocked that these newsposts do not surprise me anymore. I am already actively boycotting blizzard. I suggest you do the same.
StarCraft2
Profile Joined October 2012
160 Posts
November 14 2012 18:43 GMT
#394
Wow so we can't even have tournaments anymore..........
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
November 14 2012 18:45 GMT
#395
A little calmer now after some sleep.

On November 14 2012 17:34 dddoushio wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it


I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down
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MicrowaveMess
Profile Joined May 2012
United States42 Posts
November 14 2012 18:46 GMT
#396
What a thing to wake up to this morning

The way I see they had over a month to shut this down but waited until days before the finals to be as harmful as possible. They probably didn't care until Sonic announced it would be in an auditorium casted by Kim Carrier. Blizzard must think the SSL has potential to bring Brood War back into the mainstream other wise they wouldn't do this. That explains why they never said a peep about ISL and other foreign tournaments with over $500 in the prize pool. I hope over 1000 people show up for the finals.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
November 14 2012 18:46 GMT
#397
On November 15 2012 03:09 Evangelist wrote:
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.

TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.

User was temp banned for this post.


Aw, man. I sent him a PM asking him to respond to my arguments. Now I'll never know whether he was going to say something, or just ignore me.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
November 14 2012 18:58 GMT
#398
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


Show nested quote +
I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.
Show nested quote +

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.


Because they've had past history specifically in south korea regarding IP rights problems, namely Kespa? Because they just went through a long and bad PR period with Kespa simply to get their rights to scbw recognized? So the rules were obviously put in place to keep KESPA in check, but this was unfortunately a byproduct. Blizz KR is obviously told to be more strict about IP respects because this is literally the ONLY region where they had issues with IP rights, and thus were probably told to be extra careful, and like most people in business, and like I stated before, their LEGAL DEPARTMENT NOT THEIR ESPORTS DEPARTMENT, probably was informed of the SSL late because it wasn't a major tournament, and like you stated was merely an amateur league, but when it became more popular with the finals looming, and with bigger casters attending, it obviously created some buzz, and forced the legal team to look into it. They obviously aren't the PR team either, and don't understand how this is gonna negatively impact both the SSL and blizzard. Hence why once Mike Morhaime was informed, he immediately tried to resolve the issue, because none of the strictness that occurs in KR is about hurting the little guy, but about protecting blizz from Kespa regaining it's unilateral power again.

Regarding your points of brood war streams, i still haven't seen it happen, you're merely throwing speculation about them, and chances are, it's again, the blizz kr team trying to be harsh to make sure people don't try to circumvent the IP rights that blizz has fought so hard to obtain in SKR. I still see afreeca streaming bw, and i haven't yet heard of anyone being shut down or charged for it, just like blizz hasn't done so to sc2, why? because they don't want to stop people from streaming even if it technically is within their power, so you're attacks on that are still largely unwarranted. My guess is the threats are merely to keep people from trying to host their own kespa style league/tourney without respecting blizz's IP. Chances are, it's just like sc2's tournament scene in that if you're going to host a tournament, you fill out a simple form, and request permission, if prize money is less than what they deem is 'significant', then you can proceed, but even small tournaments are supposed to request permission. Yes, scbw's significant $ pool is set much lower than the sc2 scene, but this number was set for a reason, who knows why, maybe it's something kespa negotiated into the final agreement with blizz to make sure they didn't have major competition for other tournaments once kespa was given 'rights' to host scbw tournaments (which they ended up stopping eventually regrettably). But all of this is still jsut speculation from BOTH sides because we don't know the details. The simple truth is, YOU ASK FOR PERMISSION IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOST A TOURNAMENT.
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Zhromar
Profile Joined November 2012
United States24 Posts
November 14 2012 19:05 GMT
#399
Always nice to see how childish the BW community is.
Blizzard is on it, stop QQ'ing about your dead game and live with it.

User was banned for this post.
dota2
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 14 2012 19:07 GMT
#400
On November 15 2012 03:45 Falling wrote:
A little calmer now after some sleep.

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:34 dddoushio wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it


I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down


Well, Reddit is just sc2 forum, so I'm not surprised.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Hetairoi
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden508 Posts
November 14 2012 19:09 GMT
#401
On November 15 2012 04:05 Zhromar wrote:
Always nice to see how childish the BW community is.
Blizzard is on it, stop QQ'ing about your dead game and live with it.


Why are you even in this thread?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 19:12 GMT
#402
On November 15 2012 03:39 TrippSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:17 ArvickHero wrote:
for all of you "oh-so-rational" people high and mighty about how we're being irrational and our reaction is unwarranted, judging our community .. let me requote Falling here
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.

He didn't say he wasn't going to shut down the tournament, he said they were "reaching out to them to give them permission to continue", which is changes ... nothing? Technically, they've already been doing that since Sonic was already (trying to) engage in the process of obtaining a license, but that won't change the fact that the SSL Finals for this weekend has been cancelled, or that they're ordering the shut down of BW streams on Afreeca unless Nowcom pays up some nice money for a BW license.

Oh yea, and Sonic is most likely going to lose a lot of money because of this, when he wasn't even close to making a profit from this to begin with. Great job Blizzard, no wonder why you're being viewed so negatively!

Yes Sonic has admitted fault for having no license, but based on past precedence where he exceeded the prize pool limit multiple times w/o a license, who can blame him? Blizzard truly chose some awesome timing for their attack lol.
Writerptrk
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
November 14 2012 19:16 GMT
#403
when was the last time he held the SSL? if it was before the Kespa drama came to a close, than his precedence was based on old policies.

And you're reallly trying to stretch the hate here, if Morhaime is trying to get it fixed, it's trying to get it fixed, not just 'lol were just trying to force the shut down', if it means trying to get him so he doesn't have to cancel it or get him licenses expedited for free, than they'll do it, blizzard doesn't want to kill anything, anyone who's ever seen the actual leadership of blizzard and interacted with them, understand this, but it always is easier to just get out the pitchforks.
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t0ssboy
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria681 Posts
November 14 2012 19:21 GMT
#404
2 words:
FUCK BLIZZARD!!!!!!!

User was temp banned for this post.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 19:23:43
November 14 2012 19:22 GMT
#405
On November 15 2012 03:58 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.


Yes, scbw's significant $ pool is set much lower than the sc2 scene, but this number was set for a reason, who knows why, maybe it's something kespa negotiated into the final agreement with blizz to make sure they didn't have major competition for other tournaments once kespa was given 'rights' to host scbw tournaments (which they ended up stopping eventually regrettably). But all of this is still jsut speculation from BOTH sides because we don't know the details. The simple truth is, YOU ASK FOR PERMISSION IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOST A TOURNAMENT.


You have a good point about the streaming copyright notice. If nothing comes of it, it probably means that Blizzard Korea wanted to do it, and Blizzard told them not to. Also, it is possible that the reason Blizzard took no action against other, non korean tournaments that had over $500 in the prize pool, is that it was Blizzard Korea's doing.

However, you have no real argument about BW tournaments only being allowed $500. None at all. You just say "It probably has something to do with KeSPA". Are you really going to assume that, despite there being a rule like this, Blizzard is innocent?

I will only forgive them if they change the rule.

We also don't know if they will actually let Newcom (the owners of Afreeca) keep Brood War streams without paying a license. Until they let them do that (Like they let Twitch have SC2 streams without paying), I'm going to reserve judgement on this issue. You should as well. Don't just assume Blizzard is right.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 14 2012 19:22 GMT
#406
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


Show nested quote +
I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.
Show nested quote +

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.
Korelle
Profile Joined December 2011
143 Posts
November 14 2012 19:22 GMT
#407
The Teamliquid Brood War community immediately assuming the worst and jumping on a hate-fuelled bandwagon to engage in their favourite pastime of shitting on Blizzard without knowing the full story?
SAY IT AIN'T SO.
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9505 Posts
November 14 2012 19:23 GMT
#408
On November 15 2012 03:45 Falling wrote:
A little calmer now after some sleep.

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:34 dddoushio wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it


I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down

It's because of this thread, which is currently #1 on /r/starcraft - http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/136if6/its_not_incontrol_drama_its_not_sponsor_emailing/

Basically SC2 fans judging the BW community for reacting so passionately. I'd just like to see how they would react if their game was in this position
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 19:25 GMT
#409
On November 15 2012 04:07 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:45 Falling wrote:
A little calmer now after some sleep.

On November 14 2012 17:34 dddoushio wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it


I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down


Well, Reddit is just sc2 forum, so I'm not surprised.


Lets leave this out of this thread if you could.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#410
Btw, can we put the twitter message to the opening post?
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 19:38:30
November 14 2012 19:29 GMT
#411
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I can assure you, all of our pitchforks will be retained until the commencement of the sospa finals without the interference of Activision Blizzard and it's affiliates. Furthermore, for even making the assertion that they at Activision Blizzard have even the slightest notion of retarding Sonic's endeavors, I strongly advise the populace of the internetworked community of players to be outraged with nothing less than civil unrest.

To all the faithful, and to Sonic himself, godspeed! May your efforts not be in vain, but triumph over tyranny; yes, tyranny. With the acquisition of capital as their one and only goal, even to slither as a hydralisk over the skulls of millions, corporatism must be met not with complacency, but with contention. This "Blizzard" you see, this swarm, ironically, on the eve of the release of their latest title, has lost their heart, and soon, their legacy will be null and void - but only if our weight tips the lever over the fulcrum in our favour! What you are seeing now is a monopoly, but with nary a mustachioed carefree aristocrat prancing happily across a game board, but only the malicious intent that a monopoly can yield, for which other RTS can rise to the challenge of competing with the brainchild of this latest incarnation of their syndicate? 'Tis an oligopoly of the lowest regard, slithering it's vile slime-seeped tentacles into every facet of the competitive spirit of their hungry consumers, preying on their hopes and dreams, while complicit in their desire to sink their talons into the fat cow of tournament-play - not for love of the game, but for love of the specie - all whilst fielding special rules for a single nation while ignoring the rest of the world, while optimizing their titles to best suit the least talented among gamers, while exercising the rule of law at their convenience, and while pretending to be sympathetic to their customers, when their history tells quite a different story. "PR" is quite simply just "PR", and nothing more; every syllable uttered is to quiet dissent and court the wallets and bank accounts of their most trusting Ovis Aries.

This is not, if you will, a question of legality, but a question of ethics. The very brightest minds of our litigators can yield the most preposterous exposition of cacophonous blather to bend the rule of law into their favor, but that will never make it right. This dissent, you see, is not a result of thoughtlessness, but a thoughtful repudiation of corporate greed. The rage of the people here is only matched by the love we have in our hearts for something we've become ostensibly passionate about, and that love cannot be refuted by legality. Therefore, I think it necessary, and right, to not only wield a pitchfork, but possibly also a torch, and perhaps a battalion of men to hold a battering ram, to knock down the door of this loveless, awful, and greedy campaign against one of the most selfless and noble causes to grace our doorstep in quite some time.


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it's really embarrassing if you write so pretentiously and then confuse its and it's


trolololololol.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
November 14 2012 19:31 GMT
#412
stop hurting E-Sports, Blizzard.
Broodwar for life!
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
November 14 2012 19:31 GMT
#413
I like SC2, but I also still love BW.
I just don't get Blizzard here. This is just awful and a terrible move. Hopefully, there'll be a non-retarded solution to this.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
November 14 2012 19:35 GMT
#414
Do we even know what the 'cost' of these licenses are? I know Sonic has stated he will pay for them out of pocket, but he's never presented us with any proof that they're asking for anything or sizeable. Just like the 'license' for running small tournaments in sc2, is just an email after filling out the form, it's possible, his is not very expensive, hell, even in the blizzard/kespa negotiations, it was a simple 1$ fee just so blizzard could be aware of the tournaments being run. We're vastly speculating on a lot of stuff with rage/hate filled eyes, so can we calm down a bit and see what is happening before we jump all over Blizzard when they're obviously trying to rectify this.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 19:38 GMT
#415
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.

I really doubt the official terms would have that kind of typo i dont think its safe to assume such a thing.. and its. ot just the broadcasting online they also require you to purchase a license for the offline finals event which is indeed a LAN which means they are targetting both the online broadcast and the LAN aspect. The reason people are saying bw streams are also affectex is due to nowcom receiving a copyright which means bw streams would have to stop.. of course im only basing this off of what one streamer (Zergman) said and he is no lawyer or anything.. but the possibility of bw streams being forced to shutdown is still possible it really depends on how nowcom handles it. Plz read the other posts before you start posting stuff like this... it only further stirs up needless arguments.
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 14 2012 19:40 GMT
#416
On November 15 2012 04:16 Kazeyonoma wrote:
when was the last time he held the SSL? if it was before the Kespa drama came to a close, than his precedence was based on old policies.

And you're reallly trying to stretch the hate here, if Morhaime is trying to get it fixed, it's trying to get it fixed, not just 'lol were just trying to force the shut down', if it means trying to get him so he doesn't have to cancel it or get him licenses expedited for free, than they'll do it, blizzard doesn't want to kill anything, anyone who's ever seen the actual leadership of blizzard and interacted with them, understand this, but it always is easier to just get out the pitchforks.

During and after KeSPA drama, Sonic's leagues have been going on for a while now.

Again, Morhaime's words don't change anything from the current situation, because that's what the situation already was before he even tweeted that message. But I guess we'll have to wait and see if anything comes of it (as in, not having to wait at least 2 weeks for the license, or having to pay a lot of money, or retracting the copyright notice from Nowcom regarding BW or at least extending it to SC2, D3 and WoW).
Writerptrk
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 19:44 GMT
#417
On November 15 2012 04:35 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Do we even know what the 'cost' of these licenses are? I know Sonic has stated he will pay for them out of pocket, but he's never presented us with any proof that they're asking for anything or sizeable. Just like the 'license' for running small tournaments in sc2, is just an email after filling out the form, it's possible, his is not very expensive, hell, even in the blizzard/kespa negotiations, it was a simple 1$ fee just so blizzard could be aware of the tournaments being run. We're vastly speculating on a lot of stuff with rage/hate filled eyes, so can we calm down a bit and see what is happening before we jump all over Blizzard when they're obviously trying to rectify this.

While we dont know what the cost of these licenses, we have good reason to believe its a fairly sizeable sum. :/
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 19:51:41
November 14 2012 19:47 GMT
#418
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.


I'm going to wait and see what happens. Blizzard haven't given me much of a reason to believe in them, but they haven't quite given me enough reason to condemn them yet, either (Because of Morhaime's tweet)

There are things Blizzard could do that would wash them free, but I don't think they're going to do them. If they do, I'll be proven wrong.

You seem to be defending Blizzard way too much, for no logical reason. The posts above me already have good points, and I'm not going to repeat their arguments.
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 19:52:23
November 14 2012 19:51 GMT
#419
Unbelievable.
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
November 14 2012 20:03 GMT
#420
Blizzard may act rightful on elgal terms but it just doesnt make any sense from a PR perspective, as SSL was the only real thing going on creating still positive PR for BW. Im pretty disappointed in Blizzard and i dont feel to give in to people claiming here we should give in just because is right in legal terms.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11350 Posts
November 14 2012 20:05 GMT
#421
On November 15 2012 04:23 2Pacalypse- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:45 Falling wrote:
A little calmer now after some sleep.

On November 14 2012 17:34 dddoushio wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it


I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down

It's because of this thread, which is currently #1 on /r/starcraft - http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/136if6/its_not_incontrol_drama_its_not_sponsor_emailing/

Basically SC2 fans judging the BW community for reacting so passionately. I'd just like to see how they would react if their game was in this position

Yeah. I mean, I guess if you just exist in the context of the SC2 community then the last couple months have been swept with community hyper-drama. So people are now on high-alert for a hint of pitch-fork shenanigans.

But the situation in BW is vastly different and quite a few comments in here come off as highly insensitive as to the current state of BW and the potential growth that we were just starting to see.
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hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
November 14 2012 20:09 GMT
#422
I already stopped buying their products after they shut down proleague. I mean seriously, Blizzard. BW viewers are the minority. This is like seeing some old guy walking down the street giving away ice cream to little kids and you just take your big fuckin' SUV and slam into all of them. And then when you're driving down the street a week later you think "Hey let's see how the old man is doing at the hospital." And then you go to the hospital and unplug him from life support.

YOU MONSTERS!
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Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
November 14 2012 20:09 GMT
#423
On November 15 2012 05:05 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 04:23 2Pacalypse- wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:45 Falling wrote:
A little calmer now after some sleep.

On November 14 2012 17:34 dddoushio wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/13687l/ssl_finals_cancelled_due_to_blizzard_pressure/

upvote so people will actually see it


I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down

It's because of this thread, which is currently #1 on /r/starcraft - http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/136if6/its_not_incontrol_drama_its_not_sponsor_emailing/

Basically SC2 fans judging the BW community for reacting so passionately. I'd just like to see how they would react if their game was in this position

Yeah. I mean, I guess if you just exist in the context of the SC2 community then the last couple months have been swept with community hyper-drama. So people are now on high-alert for a hint of pitch-fork shenanigans.

But the situation in BW is vastly different and quite a few comments in here come off as highly insensitive as to the current state of BW and the potential growth that we were just starting to see.

Reddit sure does like to say circlejerk
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
November 14 2012 20:10 GMT
#424
Well, this is unfortunate. I was looking forward to the finals
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
November 14 2012 20:16 GMT
#425
the only silver lining i see in this is that the SSL received some publicity due to this blizzard-induced outrage
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ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
November 14 2012 20:20 GMT
#426
Great job BlizzTard ! Surely the SSL has dealt a massive blow to your business ....
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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 14 2012 20:40 GMT
#427
On November 15 2012 04:38 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.

I really doubt the official terms would have that kind of typo i dont think its safe to assume such a thing.. and its. ot just the broadcasting online they also require you to purchase a license for the offline finals event which is indeed a LAN which means they are targetting both the online broadcast and the LAN aspect. The reason people are saying bw streams are also affectex is due to nowcom receiving a copyright which means bw streams would have to stop.. of course im only basing this off of what one streamer (Zergman) said and he is no lawyer or anything.. but the possibility of bw streams being forced to shutdown is still possible it really depends on how nowcom handles it. Plz read the other posts before you start posting stuff like this... it only further stirs up needless arguments.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying.

The policy being different between BW and SC2 is in writing and is unfair, if enforced that way.
The problem with everyone's complaints is that it hasn't been enforced unfairly. A tournament that would be against the terms for either SC2 or BW was to be shut down. You're free to speculate all you like as to why the actual policy isn't being enforced for BW, but the fact is that until a tournament with a <$5000 prize pool is shut down, there isn't actually anything to bitch about and this isn't applicable to this situation.

Unless I'm mistaken, Nowcom runs Afreeca who would be providing streaming for SSL. If I'm not mistaken about that, don't you think that it's at least possible that Blizzard Korea is actually making sure that they don't stream the event if they try to put on the SSL anyway, since they can't really do much about them playing the event in-private with LAN? Especially since the two sources are not first-party sources?

I get that you have a source that you believe, but don't tell me that I have to accept hearsay as fact in order to post.
TenJin`Lucian
Profile Joined August 2011
Costa Rica158 Posts
November 14 2012 20:47 GMT
#428
Oh blizzard, you'll simply never stop being a shit tier company will you? This makes me so damn happy that SC2 is the shit game it is.

Congrats blizz, you killed the first and only true eSport to have existed to this date, and now that it is raising on its own without any help, you just can't stand having it be while your "main" game keeps shrinking and shrinking globally because it sucks.
123Viril69
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Australia31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 20:49:34
November 14 2012 20:49 GMT
#429
You guys are acting like this is a simple issue, it is more complicated. I don't hate Blizzard but I'm sure they thought long and hard about this, so I don't question their decision. Blizzard knows more about this than we do, so don't hate on them.
IceCube
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 20:54:30
November 14 2012 20:52 GMT
#430
On November 15 2012 05:49 123Viril69 wrote:
You guys are acting like this is a simple issue, it is more complicated. I don't hate Blizzard but I'm sure they thought long and hard about this, so I don't question their decision. Blizzard knows more about this than we do, so don't hate on them.

If your don't know shit about the situation please don't post like this. If you do, please again shed some light on us living under the rock...

Edit:

This is a shit move by Blizz and we as the community of BW lovers have every right to not see this through!
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 22:40:37
November 14 2012 21:04 GMT
#431
Fuck you blizzard.

This is truly a disgrace. At least they had to back down from this blatant attempt of shutting down the bw community completely.

What can we do?

I posted my complaint on their FB page.

I will concider it very weak if not at least some of the old people in this community, Tasteless, Artosis, Day9 etc, will stand up for BW in public.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 21:16 GMT
#432
On November 15 2012 05:40 TrippSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 04:38 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.

I really doubt the official terms would have that kind of typo i dont think its safe to assume such a thing.. and its. ot just the broadcasting online they also require you to purchase a license for the offline finals event which is indeed a LAN which means they are targetting both the online broadcast and the LAN aspect. The reason people are saying bw streams are also affectex is due to nowcom receiving a copyright which means bw streams would have to stop.. of course im only basing this off of what one streamer (Zergman) said and he is no lawyer or anything.. but the possibility of bw streams being forced to shutdown is still possible it really depends on how nowcom handles it. Plz read the other posts before you start posting stuff like this... it only further stirs up needless arguments.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying.

The policy being different between BW and SC2 is in writing and is unfair, if enforced that way.
The problem with everyone's complaints is that it hasn't been enforced unfairly. A tournament that would be against the terms for either SC2 or BW was to be shut down. You're free to speculate all you like as to why the actual policy isn't being enforced for BW, but the fact is that until a tournament with a <$5000 prize pool is shut down, there isn't actually anything to bitch about and this isn't applicable to this situation.

Unless I'm mistaken, Nowcom runs Afreeca who would be providing streaming for SSL. If I'm not mistaken about that, don't you think that it's at least possible that Blizzard Korea is actually making sure that they don't stream the event if they try to put on the SSL anyway, since they can't really do much about them playing the event in-private with LAN? Especially since the two sources are not first-party sources?

I get that you have a source that you believe, but don't tell me that I have to accept hearsay as fact in order to post.

Umm ya tbh i dont understand what your saying but it seems as though your saying ssl will be able to commence as a private lan event without streams on afreeca but im trying to tell you blizzard requires a license to just host the finals in the first place regardless of whether its an offline lan or an online thing.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
November 14 2012 21:35 GMT
#433
This super pisses me off. What's the point? Why does blizzard have to be such a fuckface.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5592 Posts
November 14 2012 21:38 GMT
#434
License fees were never a good idea anyway. The industry really isn't that profitable, and it's not like esports takes money away from Blizzard, so they shouldn't need to take money for licensing. I think the idea of intellectual property is you don't want people stealing your property. That's not at play here. It's just money grubbing. In the old days, any revenue that came from ad packages/etc. was just reinvested into the scene so the scene didn't collapse and the viewer still got to watch without PPV. Giving Blizzard a part of that revenue serves no purpose. What exactly can Blizzard do with it that an enterprising community that built a scene from the ground-up can't? Take it to pay the esports team's salary and pay for Blizzcon/WCS? The entire esports scene is free advertising for the game industry. I don't know why Blizzard can't just leave it at that. Taking money out of the scene doesn't help the scene, and it probably only marginally helps Blizzard because if the scene isn't left in the sandbox to grow to its full potential, then that free advertising isn't being as effective.

These industries aren't even that relevant to each other. One is sell more copies of the latest (most expensive) game. The other is about getting people watching and playing a game over the long term. I love these games, but if Blizzard's bubble ever bursts it will be very satisfying to behold.
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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 14 2012 21:56 GMT
#435
On November 15 2012 06:16 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 05:40 TrippSC2 wrote:
On November 15 2012 04:38 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.

I really doubt the official terms would have that kind of typo i dont think its safe to assume such a thing.. and its. ot just the broadcasting online they also require you to purchase a license for the offline finals event which is indeed a LAN which means they are targetting both the online broadcast and the LAN aspect. The reason people are saying bw streams are also affectex is due to nowcom receiving a copyright which means bw streams would have to stop.. of course im only basing this off of what one streamer (Zergman) said and he is no lawyer or anything.. but the possibility of bw streams being forced to shutdown is still possible it really depends on how nowcom handles it. Plz read the other posts before you start posting stuff like this... it only further stirs up needless arguments.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying.

The policy being different between BW and SC2 is in writing and is unfair, if enforced that way.
The problem with everyone's complaints is that it hasn't been enforced unfairly. A tournament that would be against the terms for either SC2 or BW was to be shut down. You're free to speculate all you like as to why the actual policy isn't being enforced for BW, but the fact is that until a tournament with a <$5000 prize pool is shut down, there isn't actually anything to bitch about and this isn't applicable to this situation.

Unless I'm mistaken, Nowcom runs Afreeca who would be providing streaming for SSL. If I'm not mistaken about that, don't you think that it's at least possible that Blizzard Korea is actually making sure that they don't stream the event if they try to put on the SSL anyway, since they can't really do much about them playing the event in-private with LAN? Especially since the two sources are not first-party sources?

I get that you have a source that you believe, but don't tell me that I have to accept hearsay as fact in order to post.

Umm ya tbh i dont understand what your saying but it seems as though your saying ssl will be able to commence as a private lan event without streams on afreeca but im trying to tell you blizzard requires a license to just host the finals in the first place regardless of whether its an offline lan or an online thing.

Third time is the charm.

We know that Blizzard has sent a cease-and-desist to the organizer to stop the event. If the organizer had chosen to ignore this and run the event anyway, there is nothing Blizzard Korea could do to physically stop them from playing the game, since BW can be played offline (not on Blizzard's servers). Yes, they can say they don't license the event and there would likely be legal action after the fact, but there is nothing Blizzard could do to stop the games from being played.

The only viable action to prevent them for putting on the event was to go after their medium of obtaining viewership (AfreecaTV) and prevent them from broadcasting it. If that is the case, maybe the reason for the legal action against Nowcom that we are hearing about from indirect sources is related to only broadcasting SSL, instead of BW in general.

We don't know much or have any reliable sources to know, so no one can logically make a judgment either way. It's possible this was a plot to stop BW from taking hold again in Korea and if you're cynical enough, you'll believe that regardless of facts. I prefer to wait for the facts to make my judgment.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 14 2012 21:57 GMT
#436
Blizzard, or blizzard Korea.

Fuck you

Sincerely

A fan of the best game you made
In the woods, there lurks..
CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
November 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#437
It makes me upset that any wing of Blizzard anywhere thought that this was a good idea. Just leave our community alone please.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
November 14 2012 22:03 GMT
#438
On November 15 2012 04:22 Korelle wrote:
The Teamliquid Brood War community immediately assuming the worst and jumping on a hate-fuelled bandwagon to engage in their favourite pastime of shitting on Blizzard without knowing the full story?
SAY IT AIN'T SO.

oh come on

1. The blizz tweet did not exist yesterday when i read this
2. Blizz delays the only BW tourney right before a finals? Not only would attacking the bw tourney at all make anyone mad, but doing it before the finals? It should be something to be complied with eventually, not "as of now no more BW love blizz"
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 14 2012 22:18 GMT
#439
On November 15 2012 06:57 Iplaythings wrote:
Blizzard, or blizzard Korea.

Fuck you

Sincerely

A fan of the best game you made

Okay, if Mike Morhaime goes through with what he said he would I wont feel as wronged by blizzard.

Still that this happend to begin with was fucking stupid still, and don't forget that blizz might try to kill Afreeca..
In the woods, there lurks..
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
November 14 2012 22:29 GMT
#440
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


SC2 user coming to the BW forum to tell us to put down the pitchforks? Is it reverse day today?
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 22:40 GMT
#441
On November 15 2012 06:56 TrippSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 06:16 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 05:40 TrippSC2 wrote:
On November 15 2012 04:38 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Guys, get with the news okay.

The higher-ups of Blizzard are trying to sort this out as we speak. Mike Morhaime is on it. https://twitter.com/mikemorhaime/status/268746874838732800

Blizzard korea is just a local department, but they have been struggeling with Kespa for years so noone in their right mind can blame them for being strict with their IP rights. Through i would say it would be fair to argue about their timing.

Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes.
But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans.


Allow me to quote myself.

What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit.

And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments.

Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind.

So, you continue to prove my point.

First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case.

Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money.

On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation.

I really doubt the official terms would have that kind of typo i dont think its safe to assume such a thing.. and its. ot just the broadcasting online they also require you to purchase a license for the offline finals event which is indeed a LAN which means they are targetting both the online broadcast and the LAN aspect. The reason people are saying bw streams are also affectex is due to nowcom receiving a copyright which means bw streams would have to stop.. of course im only basing this off of what one streamer (Zergman) said and he is no lawyer or anything.. but the possibility of bw streams being forced to shutdown is still possible it really depends on how nowcom handles it. Plz read the other posts before you start posting stuff like this... it only further stirs up needless arguments.

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying.

The policy being different between BW and SC2 is in writing and is unfair, if enforced that way.
The problem with everyone's complaints is that it hasn't been enforced unfairly. A tournament that would be against the terms for either SC2 or BW was to be shut down. You're free to speculate all you like as to why the actual policy isn't being enforced for BW, but the fact is that until a tournament with a <$5000 prize pool is shut down, there isn't actually anything to bitch about and this isn't applicable to this situation.

Unless I'm mistaken, Nowcom runs Afreeca who would be providing streaming for SSL. If I'm not mistaken about that, don't you think that it's at least possible that Blizzard Korea is actually making sure that they don't stream the event if they try to put on the SSL anyway, since they can't really do much about them playing the event in-private with LAN? Especially since the two sources are not first-party sources?

I get that you have a source that you believe, but don't tell me that I have to accept hearsay as fact in order to post.

Umm ya tbh i dont understand what your saying but it seems as though your saying ssl will be able to commence as a private lan event without streams on afreeca but im trying to tell you blizzard requires a license to just host the finals in the first place regardless of whether its an offline lan or an online thing.

Third time is the charm.

We know that Blizzard has sent a cease-and-desist to the organizer to stop the event. If the organizer had chosen to ignore this and run the event anyway, there is nothing Blizzard Korea could do to physically stop them from playing the game, since BW can be played offline (not on Blizzard's servers). Yes, they can say they don't license the event and there would likely be legal action after the fact, but there is nothing Blizzard could do to stop the games from being played.

The only viable action to prevent them for putting on the event was to go after their medium of obtaining viewership (AfreecaTV) and prevent them from broadcasting it. If that is the case, maybe the reason for the legal action against Nowcom that we are hearing about from indirect sources is related to only broadcasting SSL, instead of BW in general.

We don't know much or have any reliable sources to know, so no one can logically make a judgment either way. It's possible this was a plot to stop BW from taking hold again in Korea and if you're cynical enough, you'll believe that regardless of facts. I prefer to wait for the facts to make my judgment.

ahhhh thats so much clearer thanks. i hope bw survives through this
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
November 14 2012 22:47 GMT
#442
On November 15 2012 03:16 vOdToasT wrote:
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On November 15 2012 03:09 Evangelist wrote:
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.

TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.


What is your response to my arguments?

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1 Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).

2 Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)

3 They waited until the finals before doing anything.

4 They are sending (or at the very least publicly stated that they are considering sending) copyright notices to Brood War streams on Afreeca, but have never sent in such a notice to any private StarCraft 2 stream, despite StarCraft 2 generating more ad revenue from streaming.


What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Blizzard Korea is not Blizzard?

News to me.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10163 Posts
November 14 2012 23:20 GMT
#443
and this is why i dont respect blizzard or starcraft 2.
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 14 2012 23:22 GMT
#444
The tournament will be fine, Blizzard Korea seems to have acted by the letter and not the spirit of the law on this one. Don't think it should reflect poorly on Blizzard as a whole although I would like to see an apology from Blizzard Korea.

Brood War licensing is such a minor thing for Blizzard I would be surprised if they had ANY knowledge of this beforehand (the higher ups).

The reaction in this thread is understandable, but no longer justified in my opinion. It's not an intentional kick in the balls, that much is obvious.

Either way, the important thing is that we keep supporting BW tourneys as they come. Is there any donation drive or something like it for the SSL? If you guys are half as passionate as you say you are in this thread, we should be able to support SSL and other amateur tournaments better.
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 14 2012 23:23 GMT
#445
On November 15 2012 07:47 sluggaslamoo wrote:
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On November 15 2012 03:16 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 03:09 Evangelist wrote:
Blizzard Korea has been battling KESPA for close to ten years. I imagine they've got pretty specific guidelines on how to deal with it. Maybe if the weeping vaginas in this thread had any common sense they'd realize that Blizzard reckon it's pretty cool their old game is still so loved and played.

TL again proves that it is the common sense of a confused pygmy regarding BW.


What is your response to my arguments?


1 Korea has stricter rules compared to the rest of the world. (The ISL's had more than $500 in their prize pools, and they got away with it).

2 Brood War has stricter rules compared to StarCraft 2. (500 instead of 5000)

3 They waited until the finals before doing anything.

4 They are sending (or at the very least publicly stated that they are considering sending) copyright notices to Brood War streams on Afreeca, but have never sent in such a notice to any private StarCraft 2 stream, despite StarCraft 2 generating more ad revenue from streaming.


What is the justification for this? Show me your " common sense " that I lack. Obviously, this was Blizzard Korea, not Blizzard, but Blizzard gave them the rules. The rules of only allowing BW tournaments to have a prize pool of $500 without paying, and letting SC2 have $5000. The rules of treating Korea worse than the rest of the world when it comes to tournaments.


Blizzard Korea is not Blizzard?

News to me.


It's a division of Blizzard, one that is relatively minor in the grand scope of things. I'm sure they are semi-autonomous.
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
November 14 2012 23:36 GMT
#446
what in the fuck blizzard
can i get my estro logo back pls
Modesty00
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 23:49:07
November 14 2012 23:37 GMT
#447
Like Sc2 and other blizz games are not enough and they want to sqeeze more money whenever is possible..Blizzard boss just got owned in bw 3 times by some D+ noob and he started crying but then he decided revenge is possible by shutdown entere SSL and ask for money.... Well idk how they founded that small tournament, but accept it... The world is money and money is the world. Everything almost is money. And Blizzard are not friend. Yes they create Bw but that's it. They dont fix bugs or updating battlenet or creating maps.. Nothing. They created new game so they can receive more and more money and hey... why dont we take money from bw too.. hm.. does anyone still play it.. oh look there is a small bw fans with tiny OSL lets force them to pay.... god... Now you know why scbw is not free to play yet... After what.. 15 years this game is not free lol.

I think the problem accur when Sonic turned this into big thing. I mean ads... money.. sponsors big studio... If you force people to play and creating a tour with money and sponsors also broadcsting this to entire worlds... well yeah.. you need to pay licence... From Blizzard point of view they are right... But i mean c'mon.. this is BW ... not sc2.. Is 15 old game nobody play it...whyyyy crushing only good game.. damn,
SONIC SHOULD NOT PAY. Just... he need to found free way to do the final...
After all we dont care if games are played offline or online or in big studio or in basemant or in University... WE JUST WANT GOOD GAMES that's it... But hey.. guys we can help him, if everyone with money donate 5$ or smth it will be really cool.
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 23:46:34
November 14 2012 23:46 GMT
#448
On November 15 2012 08:22 zefreak wrote:


Either way, the important thing is that we keep supporting BW tourneys as they come. Is there any donation drive or something like it for the SSL? If you guys are half as passionate as you say you are in this thread, we should be able to support SSL and other amateur tournaments better.


Show me the donate button.

(I already donated money to the swedish brood war initiative by joining and paying my fee. And I showed up at the first meeting)
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
November 14 2012 23:51 GMT
#449
On November 14 2012 19:00 iLoveKT wrote:
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On November 14 2012 18:56 Shockk wrote:
On November 14 2012 18:20 L_Master wrote:
What in the motherfucking hell is this bullshit!? Fucking kidding me?

Seriously blizzard FUCK YOU and go die in a fucking hole or something.

While this may not totally kill SSL, it certainly fucks up everyone that had invested in preparing a pretty awesome finals and what was a nicely run tournament.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.



Now do me a favor, and kindly get out of here with your clueless talk and ignorance.


Oh, I'll gladly leave. I appreciate your response; despite the overwhelming arrogance, yours is still one of the more level-headed replies.

While you're all busy circlejerking, remember that this thread and these posts are TL's response to the situation. You could have taken the high road, waited for the other side to make a statement and either stayed silent in the meantime or at least have taken a more civil approach. Instead, it's gone right to the ugly part - SC2 is killing BW, FUCK BLIZZARD, "we don't want SC2 fanboys in here", FUCK BLIZZARD, FUCK BLIZZARD. So mature. So manner.

Understand that I'm not taking any issues with you guys blowing off steam. I agree that it's very questionable what Blizzard did there. I understand passion, and hot-headed reactions regarding threats to one's hobby. But this thread is pathetic.

because this is what the sc2 community is known for right? Take the high road and all...

ahaha. Yah.. pot calling the kettle black. There was no need to hate on SC2 here. Hate on Blizzard if you wish but they are two separate things. It would be interesting to see a Blizzard comment on this though imo. Sucks to have this result. Perhaps he can run it in a few months time.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
November 14 2012 23:52 GMT
#450
this is very sad, blizzard what are you doing?
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Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:00:48
November 14 2012 23:58 GMT
#451
The whole idea that a video game company is entitled to streaming profits seems legally dubious IMO and would love to see this competently challenged in court under derivative work grounds.

To use an analogy, say I wear a nike shirt to a race. I win the race and am afforded a prize which is financed from television proceeds. Using Blizzard's logic, just because I as one of the racers happened to wear a nike shirt, then they should be entitled to some of the proceeds? Just because a unique copyright-able item is shown on a commercial presentation doesn't necessarily mean the derivative work has to gain a license. If so, newscasters would go broke right and left. Film a McDonald's building without their permission? Tough... pay $1,232,239.23! In the US at least, IP clearly allows for derivative works to allowable as long as they are distinct from the underlying work....which streams are. The game is the game...the stream is the interaction thereof and the comments. You can't mistake a tool for its application. What next? Does Blizzard go after twitch.tv and youtube streams...many of whom make decent money?

What's sad about this, is that this is over a 14 year old game on an archaic 1024X720 resolution. Despite this, the Koreans by their own hard work built this into an industry on their own while hurting no-one in the west. The Korean economy is not on par with America/Europe and the culture is very frugal, so the license fees hit them a lot harder and have effectively ended an incredible icon in Korea. So sad too that the mob on Redditt is so quick to attack anybody who is critical of Blizzard. They have no clue as to the role Blizzard played in ending BW in Korea as well...it wasn't because SC2 was so wonderful and popular...

Perhaps one day Mike Morhaime will wake up from his mad dream...realize money and control isn't the end all, and feel bad that he killed one of the greatest traditions in Korea. He will realize that he was punishing people for a victimless crime and the issue of licensing fees is mute if competitions won't pay for them. Then his grinch heart will perhaps grow two sizes and he'll announce BW competitions will be free to play from now on and not be harassed from blood-sucking lawyers. One can hope...

mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
November 15 2012 00:00 GMT
#452
On November 15 2012 08:58 Fungal Growth wrote:
The whole idea that a video game company is entitled to streaming profits seems legally dubious IMO and would love to see this competently challenged in court under derivative work grounds.

To use an analogy, say I wear a nike shirt to a race. I win the race and am afforded a prize which is financed from television proceeds. Using Blizzard's logic, just because I as one of the racers happened to wear a nike shirt, then they should be entitled to some of the proceeds? Just because a unique copyright-able item is shown on a commercial presentation doesn't necessarily mean the derivative work is has to gain a license. If so, newscasters would go broke right and left. Film a McDonald's building without their permission? Tough... pay $1,232,239.23! In the US at least, IP clearly allows for derivative works to allowable as long as they are distinct from the underlying work....which streams are. The game is the game...the stream is the interaction thereof and the comments. You can't mistake a tool for its application. What next? Does Blizzard go after twitch.tv and youtube streams...many of whom make decent money?

What's sad about this, is that this is over a 14 year old game on an archaic 1024X720 resolution. Despite this, the Koreans by their own hard work built this into an industry on their own while hurting no-one in the west. The Korean economy is not on par with America/Europe and the culture is very frugal, so the license fees hit them a lot harder and have effectively ended an incredible icon in Korea. So sad too that the mob on Redditt is so quick to attack anybody who is critical of Blizzard. They have no clue as to the role Blizzard played in ending BW in Korea as well...it wasn't because SC2 was so wonderful...

Perhaps one day Mike Morhaime will wake up from his mad dream...realize money and control isn't the end all, and feel bad that he killed one of the greatest traditions in Korea. He will realize that he was punishing people for a victimless crime and the issue of licensing fees is mute if competitions won't pay for them. Then his grinch heart will perhaps grow two sizes and he'll announce BW competitions will be free to play from now on and not be harassed from blood-sucking lawyers. One can hope...


They made the game and have the rights to the game. When you buy a game you buy the right to play it. Blizzard still owns it. So why should they not take revenue from someone else making money off their property? If they don't and no one else does then there will never be a reason for anyone to want to design games around ESports ideals.
TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 15 2012 00:09 GMT
#453
On November 15 2012 08:58 Fungal Growth wrote:
The whole idea that a video game company is entitled to streaming profits seems legally dubious IMO and would love to see this competently challenged in court under derivative work grounds.

To use an analogy, say I wear a nike shirt to a race. I win the race and am afforded a prize which is financed from television proceeds. Using Blizzard's logic, just because I as one of the racers happened to wear a nike shirt, then they should be entitled to some of the proceeds? Just because a unique copyright-able item is shown on a commercial presentation doesn't necessarily mean the derivative work is has to gain a license. If so, newscasters would go broke right and left. Film a McDonald's building without their permission? Tough... pay $1,232,239.23! In the US at least, IP clearly allows for derivative works to allowable as long as they are distinct from the underlying work....which streams are. The game is the game...the stream is the interaction thereof and the comments. You can't mistake a tool for its application. What next? Does Blizzard go after twitch.tv and youtube streams...many of whom make decent money?

What's sad about this, is that this is over a 14 year old game on an archaic 1024X720 resolution. Despite this, the Koreans by their own hard work built this into an industry on their own while hurting no-one in the west. The Korean economy is not on par with America/Europe and the culture is very frugal, so the license fees hit them a lot harder and have effectively ended an incredible icon in Korea. So sad too that the mob on Redditt is so quick to attack anybody who is critical of Blizzard. They have no clue as to the role Blizzard played in ending BW in Korea as well...it wasn't because SC2 was so wonderful and popular...

Perhaps one day Mike Morhaime will wake up from his mad dream...realize money and control isn't the end all, and feel bad that he killed one of the greatest traditions in Korea. He will realize that he was punishing people for a victimless crime and the issue of licensing fees is mute if competitions won't pay for them. Then his grinch heart will perhaps grow two sizes and he'll announce BW competitions will be free to play from now on and not be harassed from blood-sucking lawyers. One can hope...

I agree that it's ethically questionable. However, in almost all cases, when you purchase software you aren't really. You are instead purchasing the license to use the software. By putting conditions in the terms of use, they can legally require increased license fees for things like this.

It becomes a murky ethical argument from there. Do you say that songwriters shouldn't receive royalties for their song being used in commercials or movies? That is similar, since the movie makers are making the finished product, but a portion of that product is made by someone else. I can honestly see both sides. I do believe that the percentage of the event revenue should be pretty low, especially as the game gets older.
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
November 15 2012 00:11 GMT
#454
On November 15 2012 09:00 mrtomjones wrote:
They made the game and have the rights to the game.
Just because my factory produces hammers..doesn't mean I own the houses that are built with the hammers. In the US there is a legal principal known as derivative works. It says that you can include copyrighted material in your own work as long as it is distinct and derived which competitions clearly are. Competitions are not games. Blizzard sold a game, not a competition. I mean using your logic, where do you drawn the line? Say there is a pro-poker tournament...and the players use acme cards. Can/should acme sue just because their cards were used in the tournament?

When you buy a game you buy the right to play it. Blizzard still owns it. So why should they not take revenue from someone else making money off their property?
You can't use terms like 'own' and control with intellectual property...it's completely different from tangible property and has a completely different rule-set.

If they don't and no one else does then there will never be a reason for anyone to want to design games around ESports ideals.
And yet a free game in League of Legends is more popular than SC2...so there goes the incentive argument. There are different monetization strategies for game producers. In-game ads, feature up-sells, and even god-forbid...just making money off the DVD sales which we KNOW is substantial and is a tried and true breadwinner for video game producers over the years. Leaching streaming revenue is just pure greed from the industry and nothing more.
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
November 15 2012 00:15 GMT
#455
On November 15 2012 09:09 TrippSC2 wrote:
I agree that it's ethically questionable. However, in almost all cases, when you purchase software you aren't really. You are instead purchasing the license to use the software. By putting conditions in the terms of use, they can legally require increased license fees for things like this.
Did BW have such terms of use conditions? Regardless the courts frequently disregard nuanced terms and condition rules from fine print.
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:23:17
November 15 2012 00:22 GMT
#456
On November 15 2012 09:11 Fungal Growth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 09:00 mrtomjones wrote:
They made the game and have the rights to the game.
Just because my factory produces hammers..doesn't mean I own the houses that are built with the hammers. In the US there is a legal principal known as derivative works. It says that you can include copyrighted material in your own work as long as it is distinct and derived which competitions clearly are. Competitions are not games. Blizzard sold a game, not a competition. I mean using your logic, where do you drawn the line? Say there is a pro-poker tournament...and the players use acme cards. Can/should acme sue just because their cards were used in the tournament?

Show nested quote +
When you buy a game you buy the right to play it. Blizzard still owns it. So why should they not take revenue from someone else making money off their property?
You can't use terms like 'own' and control with intellectual property...it's completely different from tangible property and has a completely different rule-set.

Show nested quote +
If they don't and no one else does then there will never be a reason for anyone to want to design games around ESports ideals.
And yet a free game in League of Legends is more popular than SC2...so there goes the incentive argument. There are different monetization strategies for game producers. In-game ads, feature up-sells, and even god-forbid...just making money off the DVD sales which we KNOW is substantial and is a tried and true breadwinner for video game producers over the years. Leaching streaming revenue is just pure greed from the industry and nothing more.

Uhh you make terrible arguments dude. A FREE game is more popular than SC2. No kidding?

Poker and cards is a completely different thing. If you wish to play Sc2 you have ONE choice as to where to play it. If you wish to play Poker you can find any number of card's or tables to play it on. You could even make your own without much difficulty. Not very comparable.

The end point comes down to a simple idea. You do not own Starcraft. You pay for the right to play it which can be taken away. I only scanned the start of this article but it is fairly similar I THINK.

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20111209/08380617021/microsoft-reminds-everyone-you-do-not-own-your-software.shtml

You don't own Microsoft Office. I believe this is fairly standard among most computer related ideas.
Modesty00
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 00:26:50
November 15 2012 00:23 GMT
#457
Just because my factory produces hammers..doesn't mean I own the houses that are built with the hammers

You dont own the houses, but you own the hammers. And when workers are using your hammer and broadcast to entire world to see them and make money of it, then i bet you will ask for license, becouse your brand is showing to the world without you permission in the way you may not like... lets say like bad hammers...
It's like you are buying a movie to watch for youself... you invive a friens to share the movie.. ok thats ok.. but when you share the movie online with the world and make money of it... yeap you need permission or licence...
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 15 2012 00:23 GMT
#458
On November 15 2012 08:46 vOdToasT wrote:
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On November 15 2012 08:22 zefreak wrote:


Either way, the important thing is that we keep supporting BW tourneys as they come. Is there any donation drive or something like it for the SSL? If you guys are half as passionate as you say you are in this thread, we should be able to support SSL and other amateur tournaments better.


Show me the donate button.

(I already donated money to the swedish brood war initiative by joining and paying my fee. And I showed up at the first meeting)


Yes, I would be willing to support it as well. Does anyone know a way to do this? Instead of just complain about blizzard or SC2?
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 15 2012 00:25 GMT
#459
On November 15 2012 09:15 Fungal Growth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 09:09 TrippSC2 wrote:
I agree that it's ethically questionable. However, in almost all cases, when you purchase software you aren't really. You are instead purchasing the license to use the software. By putting conditions in the terms of use, they can legally require increased license fees for things like this.
Did BW have such terms of use conditions? Regardless the courts frequently disregard nuanced terms and condition rules from fine print.


You are fighting a losing battle, its been industry standard for a very long time. Game publishers CAN shut down streamers. They just usually don't, and if Blizzard actually does this I will be surprised (and ashamed)
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)Messer(
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland95 Posts
November 15 2012 00:27 GMT
#460
On November 14 2012 20:32 )Messer( wrote:
quick question. How much does this license cost?

thx bye
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5592 Posts
November 15 2012 00:33 GMT
#461
On November 15 2012 09:23 Modesty00 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Just because my factory produces hammers..doesn't mean I own the houses that are built with the hammers

You dont own the houses, but you own the hammers. And when workers are using your hammer and broadcast to entire world to see them and make money of it, then i bet you will ask for license, becouse your brand is showing to the world without you permission in the way you may not like... lets say like bad hammers...

I don't think a company is entitled to money just because someone said their hammers sucked.
It's like you are buying a movie to watch for youself... you invive a friens to share the movie.. ok thats ok.. but when you share the movie online with the world and make money of it... yeap you need permission or licence...

That's true for movies. But that's not quite what a video game is. When you stream yourself playing a video game, or you stream a video game tournament, you're not copying the game. The stream doesn't let other people play the video game without paying the company that made it. Rather, if people like what they see, they might go out and buy the game.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
November 15 2012 00:42 GMT
#462
Wow.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
November 15 2012 00:42 GMT
#463
I honestly feel like I am getting toyed with again and again. The first time I saw Blizzard shit on BW I was honestly shocked, it took some time for it to settle in. After nearly two years of bullshit from Blizzard you think I would have learned to just expect them to do everything in their power to destroy any glimmer of hope for a growing BW community. I feel like I keep getting taught a lesson and each time I am still surprised by the result. Congratulations Blizzard, you have made a fool out of me.

I would somewhat understand if Kespa or some equivalent was fighting against Blizzard for broadcasting rights, but this is a SINGLE PERSON trying to host a tournament from his own earnings. I'm not sure who is managing Blizzard's IP rights in Korea, but they are seriously heartless and unreasonable.

I understand Blizzard has the right to ask for royalties whenever a tournament is hosted, but there is no reason to do it for such a small tournament.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
Fungal Growth
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
November 15 2012 00:43 GMT
#464
On November 15 2012 09:22 mrtomjones wrote:
Uhh you make terrible arguments dude. A FREE game is more popular than SC2. No kidding?
Then you contradict yourself. Earlier you said:

"If they don't and no one else does then there will never be a reason for anyone to want to design games around ESports ideals."
You are in essence saying producers won't make great and popular games if they can't charge money for tournaments....along comes LOL and there goes your argument....

Poker and cards is a completely different thing. If you wish to play Sc2 you have ONE choice as to where to play it. If you wish to play Poker you can find any number of card's or tables to play it on. You could even make your own without much difficulty. Not very comparable.
The cards wouldn't be copyrighted but their backgrounds would certainly be. Question remains...does that create liability. My point remains that it is common and relevant that derivative works exist in our modern capitalist society. You can perhaps make a 'where do you draw the line' argument, but not a 'derivative works shouldn't exist' argument

The end point comes down to a simple idea. You do not own Starcraft. You pay for the right to play it which can be taken away.
A simplistic viewpoint and corporate cliche. You make it sound as if IP users have no legal rights to their products and which is patently false. When you pay money for copyrighted material, you as the consumer have the rights to certain expectations for the legal consideration you paid to acquire the product.

You don't own Microsoft Office. I believe this is fairly standard among most computer related ideas.
Indeed I don't...I use LibreOffice and google docs
TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 15 2012 01:05 GMT
#465
On November 15 2012 09:27 )Messer( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 20:32 )Messer( wrote:
quick question. How much does this license cost?


According to TotalBiscuit when talking about his Shoutcraft Invitational, it is based on a percentage of ad revenue.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
November 15 2012 01:24 GMT
#466
On November 15 2012 07:29 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote:
Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing.


SC2 user coming to the BW forum to tell us to put down the pitchforks? Is it reverse day today?

I'm not going to go digging through is his posting history, but there are sc2 users who go into sc2 rage fests to tell them to calm down as well, so he could be one of those.
I am pissed as well, but attacking a user for his forum of choice isn't really the best way to do it.

If Mohaime or what ever his name is gets it set up so this can go through, I will take back some of the things I said about him the osl team speak.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 01:25:46
November 15 2012 01:25 GMT
#467
I hope lol kills sc2, just because i hate blizzard so much.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
SonZHi
Profile Joined May 2012
Hong Kong30 Posts
November 15 2012 01:28 GMT
#468
If they relocate to China they cannot get bullied by Blizzard. I wonder what ridiculous sum they must pay for license fees.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 15 2012 02:05 GMT
#469
On November 15 2012 09:22 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 09:11 Fungal Growth wrote:
On November 15 2012 09:00 mrtomjones wrote:
They made the game and have the rights to the game.
Just because my factory produces hammers..doesn't mean I own the houses that are built with the hammers. In the US there is a legal principal known as derivative works. It says that you can include copyrighted material in your own work as long as it is distinct and derived which competitions clearly are. Competitions are not games. Blizzard sold a game, not a competition. I mean using your logic, where do you drawn the line? Say there is a pro-poker tournament...and the players use acme cards. Can/should acme sue just because their cards were used in the tournament?

When you buy a game you buy the right to play it. Blizzard still owns it. So why should they not take revenue from someone else making money off their property?
You can't use terms like 'own' and control with intellectual property...it's completely different from tangible property and has a completely different rule-set.

If they don't and no one else does then there will never be a reason for anyone to want to design games around ESports ideals.
And yet a free game in League of Legends is more popular than SC2...so there goes the incentive argument. There are different monetization strategies for game producers. In-game ads, feature up-sells, and even god-forbid...just making money off the DVD sales which we KNOW is substantial and is a tried and true breadwinner for video game producers over the years. Leaching streaming revenue is just pure greed from the industry and nothing more.

Uhh you make terrible arguments dude. A FREE game is more popular than SC2. No kidding?

Poker and cards is a completely different thing. If you wish to play Sc2 you have ONE choice as to where to play it. If you wish to play Poker you can find any number of card's or tables to play it on. You could even make your own without much difficulty. Not very comparable.

The end point comes down to a simple idea. You do not own Starcraft. You pay for the right to play it which can be taken away. I only scanned the start of this article but it is fairly similar I THINK.

http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20111209/08380617021/microsoft-reminds-everyone-you-do-not-own-your-software.shtml

You don't own Microsoft Office. I believe this is fairly standard among most computer related ideas.

And all of your arguments regarding IP rights have been thoroughly addressed during the lawsuit threads years ago. Go do some reading.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
November 15 2012 02:48 GMT
#470
Also

It's only ever bad news in the BW forum now.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 02:50:39
November 15 2012 02:50 GMT
#471
+ Show Spoiler +

이번 결승전 사태에 있어. 미숙했던 대회운영에 대해서 다시 한번 사과드리구요.
마크 모하임 사장님에게 다시 한번 감사드립니다.ㅠㅠ
팀리퀴드 스타1 팬분들들 및 우리 시청자분들. 이런일이 터지고 나서 저한테 조언 해주셧던 모든 분들에게 감사의 말씀 드리겠습니다)
8차 라이센스까지 딸수 있을것 같고 모든게 술술 잘 풀릴것 같습니다.
현재 대관취소로 인해. 다시 알아보고 있구. 취소 되었던 부분들..하나씩 다시 이야기 하고 있는 중입니다.
정확한 일정은 오늘 공지를 통해 말씀 드리겠습니다.ㅠㅠ
블리자드 코리아에서 결승 잘하라고 연락 받았구. 마크모하임 사장님께서 저렇게 트위터까지 남긴거보니. 아직 스타1 팬들과 함께 할수 있는게 너무 많은것 같습니다.
정말 말도 안되는 이례적인 일이라고 하시더라구요.
말도 안되는 이례적인 일들을 우리가 해내고 있는 부분이니. 미숙한 대회 진행 안하고. 제대로 된 진행해서 다시 달려보시죠!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
뭔가 이 드라마 같은 상황속에 저도 막 손이 떨릴 정도로 기쁩니다!

Regarding the situation with the finals, I apologize for my lack of experience in handling this matter.
I would like to thank CEO Mike Morhaime once again. T_T
Teamliquid's brood war fans and afreeca viewers, thank you for the good advice and suggestions you gave me as I was going about trying to fix this issue.
I will most likely be able to obtain a license for the 8th SSL and everything will run smooth from here on.
Regarding the cancellation of the location and the cancellation of the guests that were to appear, I am taking care of the situation one by one.
Details will be posted on my afreeca page T_T.
Blizzard Korea has contacted us saying we have the OK to run the finals and Mike Morhaime himself cared enough to leave a tweet. It makes me believe there are still so many things we (Sonic and BW fans) can accomplish together.
We are pioneering something so unprecedented, so I will learn from my mistakes (of being inexperience in this matter) and carry out the finals as smoothly and orderly as possible!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
It feels like a scene from a drama, my hands feel like they are shaking from happiness!

again very rough translation..

edit: i also forgot to WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *pours beer on pusan head* WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D
Mirror0423
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States175 Posts
November 15 2012 02:51 GMT
#472
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.
-John Locke

I didn't mind paying blizzard money when it seemed that their goal included helping the community.
I defended blizzard to a point with their IP rights fight against Kespa.
We are the people that support the company, this is not THAT different from a government system. We follow blizzard's rule, and pay blizzard for their services (in this case their product). Blizzard pays it's employers, but that is also investment back into their products. But if blizzard reduces the BW community to "slavery under arbitrary power" I will no longer support blizzard in anyways. This does not help the community.
I will not trash blizzard, since Mike Morhaime at least, seems to not hurt the community for no reason, and he is still influential enough to stop certain absurd tyranny. But that is not good enough, at least not for me. Trying to not hurt the community is not the same as trying to make the community thrive.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
November 15 2012 02:54 GMT
#473
On November 15 2012 11:50 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이번 결승전 사태에 있어. 미숙했던 대회운영에 대해서 다시 한번 사과드리구요.
마크 모하임 사장님에게 다시 한번 감사드립니다.ㅠㅠ
팀리퀴드 스타1 팬분들들 및 우리 시청자분들. 이런일이 터지고 나서 저한테 조언 해주셧던 모든 분들에게 감사의 말씀 드리겠습니다)
8차 라이센스까지 딸수 있을것 같고 모든게 술술 잘 풀릴것 같습니다.
현재 대관취소로 인해. 다시 알아보고 있구. 취소 되었던 부분들..하나씩 다시 이야기 하고 있는 중입니다.
정확한 일정은 오늘 공지를 통해 말씀 드리겠습니다.ㅠㅠ
블리자드 코리아에서 결승 잘하라고 연락 받았구. 마크모하임 사장님께서 저렇게 트위터까지 남긴거보니. 아직 스타1 팬들과 함께 할수 있는게 너무 많은것 같습니다.
정말 말도 안되는 이례적인 일이라고 하시더라구요.
말도 안되는 이례적인 일들을 우리가 해내고 있는 부분이니. 미숙한 대회 진행 안하고. 제대로 된 진행해서 다시 달려보시죠!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
뭔가 이 드라마 같은 상황속에 저도 막 손이 떨릴 정도로 기쁩니다!

Regarding the situation with the finals, I apologize for my lack of experience in handling this matter.
I would like to thank CEO Mike Morhaime once again. T_T
Teamliquid's brood war fans and afreeca viewers, thank you for the good advice and suggestions you gave me as I was going about trying to fix this issue.
I will most likely be able to obtain a license for the 8th SSL and everything will run smooth from here on.
Regarding the cancellation of the location and the cancellation of the guests that were to appear, I am taking care of the situation one by one.
Details will be posted on my afreeca page T_T.
Blizzard Korea has contacted us saying we have the OK to run the finals and Mike Morhaime himself cared enough to leave a tweet. It makes me believe there are still so many things we (Sonic and BW fans) can accomplish together.
We are pioneering something so unprecedented, so I will learn from my mistakes (of being inexperience in this matter) and carry out the finals as smoothly and orderly as possible!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
It feels like a scene from a drama, my hands feel like they are shaking from happiness!

again very rough translation..

edit: i also forgot to WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *pours beer on pusan head* WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

Great news! Thanks for the translation.
Liquipedia
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 02:56:39
November 15 2012 02:56 GMT
#474
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
After this roller-coaster of the thread, I'll take my small blessings!
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 15 2012 02:56 GMT
#475
On November 15 2012 11:50 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이번 결승전 사태에 있어. 미숙했던 대회운영에 대해서 다시 한번 사과드리구요.
마크 모하임 사장님에게 다시 한번 감사드립니다.ㅠㅠ
팀리퀴드 스타1 팬분들들 및 우리 시청자분들. 이런일이 터지고 나서 저한테 조언 해주셧던 모든 분들에게 감사의 말씀 드리겠습니다)
8차 라이센스까지 딸수 있을것 같고 모든게 술술 잘 풀릴것 같습니다.
현재 대관취소로 인해. 다시 알아보고 있구. 취소 되었던 부분들..하나씩 다시 이야기 하고 있는 중입니다.
정확한 일정은 오늘 공지를 통해 말씀 드리겠습니다.ㅠㅠ
블리자드 코리아에서 결승 잘하라고 연락 받았구. 마크모하임 사장님께서 저렇게 트위터까지 남긴거보니. 아직 스타1 팬들과 함께 할수 있는게 너무 많은것 같습니다.
정말 말도 안되는 이례적인 일이라고 하시더라구요.
말도 안되는 이례적인 일들을 우리가 해내고 있는 부분이니. 미숙한 대회 진행 안하고. 제대로 된 진행해서 다시 달려보시죠!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
뭔가 이 드라마 같은 상황속에 저도 막 손이 떨릴 정도로 기쁩니다!

Regarding the situation with the finals, I apologize for my lack of experience in handling this matter.
I would like to thank CEO Mike Morhaime once again. T_T
Teamliquid's brood war fans and afreeca viewers, thank you for the good advice and suggestions you gave me as I was going about trying to fix this issue.
I will most likely be able to obtain a license for the 8th SSL and everything will run smooth from here on.
Regarding the cancellation of the location and the cancellation of the guests that were to appear, I am taking care of the situation one by one.
Details will be posted on my afreeca page T_T.
Blizzard Korea has contacted us saying we have the OK to run the finals and Mike Morhaime himself cared enough to leave a tweet. It makes me believe there are still so many things we (Sonic and BW fans) can accomplish together.
We are pioneering something so unprecedented, so I will learn from my mistakes (of being inexperience in this matter) and carry out the finals as smoothly and orderly as possible!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
It feels like a scene from a drama, my hands feel like they are shaking from happiness!

again very rough translation..

edit: i also forgot to WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *pours beer on pusan head* WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

lol MDJ, this came right after your post.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 02:57 GMT
#476


heehee
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
November 15 2012 03:02 GMT
#477
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Glad this worked out ok.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
November 15 2012 03:03 GMT
#478
I hope Kim Carrier can still cast the finals. It's still an awful shame what happened... but at least the Sonic was able to jump through whatever necessary hoops and carry on.

Also WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HawaiianPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada5155 Posts
November 15 2012 03:03 GMT
#479
I've been really busy for the past few days.

W...what did I miss?

*walks out of the thread*

I leave you guys alone for a few days and THIS is what I come back to? Good god!
AdministratorNot actually Hawaiian.
Kimdracula
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Panama59 Posts
November 15 2012 03:05 GMT
#480
Dear condescending BW bashers in this thread,

Our "bitching" helped to accomplish something that we consider a pretty big victory.
Fuck you and your holier than thou attitude.

Regards, satisfied BW fan.

User was temp banned for this post.
I quit BW.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2012 03:10 GMT
#481
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 03:10 GMT
#482
On November 15 2012 12:05 Kimdracula wrote:
Dear condescending BW bashers in this thread,

Our "bitching" helped to accomplish something that we consider a pretty big victory.
Fuck you and your holier than thou attitude.

Regards, satisfied BW fan.

Haha i dont think this is neccesary ^_^ lets just be happy SSL is back i sure am hohohoho ^o^
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
November 15 2012 03:11 GMT
#483


-waves lighter-
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 03:17:38
November 15 2012 03:11 GMT
#484
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6595 Posts
November 15 2012 03:12 GMT
#485
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 04:25:02
November 15 2012 03:17 GMT
#486
On November 15 2012 11:50 JohnChoi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

이번 결승전 사태에 있어. 미숙했던 대회운영에 대해서 다시 한번 사과드리구요.
마크 모하임 사장님에게 다시 한번 감사드립니다.ㅠㅠ
팀리퀴드 스타1 팬분들들 및 우리 시청자분들. 이런일이 터지고 나서 저한테 조언 해주셧던 모든 분들에게 감사의 말씀 드리겠습니다)
8차 라이센스까지 딸수 있을것 같고 모든게 술술 잘 풀릴것 같습니다.
현재 대관취소로 인해. 다시 알아보고 있구. 취소 되었던 부분들..하나씩 다시 이야기 하고 있는 중입니다.
정확한 일정은 오늘 공지를 통해 말씀 드리겠습니다.ㅠㅠ
블리자드 코리아에서 결승 잘하라고 연락 받았구. 마크모하임 사장님께서 저렇게 트위터까지 남긴거보니. 아직 스타1 팬들과 함께 할수 있는게 너무 많은것 같습니다.
정말 말도 안되는 이례적인 일이라고 하시더라구요.
말도 안되는 이례적인 일들을 우리가 해내고 있는 부분이니. 미숙한 대회 진행 안하고. 제대로 된 진행해서 다시 달려보시죠!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
뭔가 이 드라마 같은 상황속에 저도 막 손이 떨릴 정도로 기쁩니다!

Regarding the situation with the finals, I apologize for my lack of experience in handling this matter.
I would like to thank CEO Mike Morhaime once again. T_T
Teamliquid's brood war fans and afreeca viewers, thank you for the good advice and suggestions you gave me as I was going about trying to fix this issue.
I will most likely be able to obtain a license for the 8th SSL and everything will run smooth from here on.
Regarding the cancellation of the location and the cancellation of the guests that were to appear, I am taking care of the situation one by one.
Details will be posted on my afreeca page T_T.
Blizzard Korea has contacted us saying we have the OK to run the finals and Mike Morhaime himself cared enough to leave a tweet. It makes me believe there are still so many things we (Sonic and BW fans) can accomplish together.
We are pioneering something so unprecedented, so I will learn from my mistakes (of being inexperience in this matter) and carry out the finals as smoothly and orderly as possible!!!!!!!!!!! ^^
It feels like a scene from a drama, my hands feel like they are shaking from happiness!

again very rough translation..

edit: i also forgot to WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *pours beer on pusan head* WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D

I'm so glad we got through this. It's great that Sonic got this all sorted out.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 15 2012 03:19 GMT
#487
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19349 Posts
November 15 2012 03:20 GMT
#488
thank you mike!

+ Show Spoiler +
i still won't buy your games MWAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 15 2012 03:20 GMT
#489
On November 15 2012 12:05 Kimdracula wrote:
Dear condescending BW bashers in this thread,

Our "bitching" helped to accomplish something that we consider a pretty big victory.
Fuck you and your holier than thou attitude.

Regards, satisfied BW fan.


And people are still bitching. Well after Mike Morheim tweeted that it would be resolved. A lot of the remaining negativity is frankly unwarranted.

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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 03:20 GMT
#490
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

i think it has changed because sonic is able to broadcast his league on afreeca again = resolved D: since sonic is also a bw streamer if it wasnt resolved he wouldnt be able to stream?
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
November 15 2012 03:21 GMT
#491
Long live BroodWar!
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
ZodaSoda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1191 Posts
November 15 2012 03:22 GMT
#492
Straight from "Fuck Blizzard" to "Props to Mike Morhaime"
Overreaction Level = to Starcraft 2 Dota 2 and LoL Drama
wheeeeeeeeeeee
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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
November 15 2012 03:23 GMT
#493
On November 15 2012 12:20 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

i think it has changed because sonic is able to broadcast his league on afreeca again = resolved D: since sonic is also a bw streamer if it wasnt resolved he wouldnt be able to stream?


Not necessarily. He purchased a license to stream the tournament right? Regular BW streamers don't have a license or anything like that?
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 15 2012 03:24 GMT
#494
On November 15 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:20 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

i think it has changed because sonic is able to broadcast his league on afreeca again = resolved D: since sonic is also a bw streamer if it wasnt resolved he wouldnt be able to stream?


Not necessarily. He purchased a license to stream the tournament right? Regular BW streamers don't have a license or anything like that?


He will get a license for next season, they gave him a freebie this time
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 03:27:12
November 15 2012 03:25 GMT
#495
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

I think what JohnChoi is saying is that it was exaggeraton and I have to concur (according to my rough translation that quote reads: "Copyright notice has also arrived at Nowcom, so that if Finals take place there'll be forced closure" which I don't think refer to every stream). Honestly I see absolutely no ground for Blizzard to shut down individual streams; it is frankly only thing that could genuinely surprise me.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 03:30 GMT
#496
On November 15 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:20 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

i think it has changed because sonic is able to broadcast his league on afreeca again = resolved D: since sonic is also a bw streamer if it wasnt resolved he wouldnt be able to stream?


Not necessarily. He purchased a license to stream the tournament right? Regular BW streamers don't have a license or anything like that?

I think the thing with regular streamers actually is they either dont have a sponsored tournament or arent hosting anything with a prize pool over 500$?? or maybe the copyright that nowcom got was mainly regarding sonic? i dunno i just know im watching a starcraft stream on afreeca right now and it is quite awesome!
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 03:33 GMT
#497
On November 15 2012 12:24 zefreak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:20 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

i think it has changed because sonic is able to broadcast his league on afreeca again = resolved D: since sonic is also a bw streamer if it wasnt resolved he wouldnt be able to stream?


Not necessarily. He purchased a license to stream the tournament right? Regular BW streamers don't have a license or anything like that?


He will get a license for next season, they gave him a freebie this time

im glad its pretty legit now haha sonic is many inexperienced he learns from these kinds of mistakes. wow so much turmoil in the 7th bj starleague. starting with stream cheating accusations towards minus)zelot and mong and then later the physical fatigue of running 3 offlines in a weekend and then technical difficulties and then a C&D im just glad we got through it hahaha i hope all the guests who were originally supposed to appear can still come out and the venue is still available!
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
November 15 2012 03:39 GMT
#498
Thank God!
John 15:13
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
November 15 2012 03:40 GMT
#499
Someone reverse Arvick's ban, lol.
Administrator
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4992 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 03:42:37
November 15 2012 03:42 GMT
#500
Good thing this issue has been resolved. + Show Spoiler [OSL spoiler] +
Bad thing it is a ZvZ finals
FBH #1!
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 03:44 GMT
#501
On November 15 2012 12:40 TheEmulator wrote:
Someone reverse Arvick's ban, lol.

haha his ban was 6 hours hes already unbanned XD
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
November 15 2012 03:46 GMT
#502
On November 15 2012 12:44 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:40 TheEmulator wrote:
Someone reverse Arvick's ban, lol.

haha his ban was 6 hours hes already unbanned XD

oh, for some reason I thought it was two days.
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itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9154 Posts
November 15 2012 03:48 GMT
#503
nice to see they still have a shred of damage control sense there at blizzard korea
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zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 15 2012 03:53 GMT
#504
On November 15 2012 12:33 JohnChoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:24 zefreak wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:20 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:19 Sawamura wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:11 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:10 Hesmyrr wrote:
Props to Mike Morhaime for fast response, but does anyone know what is going on with the supposed attempt to ban SC1 streams in Afreeca? I heard about it few times in the thread but never found actual evidence supporting it so not sure if it was hyperbole (which would frankly be a massive relief).

apparently it was something blizzard korea was doing sending copyright to nowcom but sonic says everything is cleared up I like how sonic was like I'll keep you all posted and ill resolve this!! and he did sonic even said blizzard korea was like have a good finals yo! i think stuff is resolved

edit: + Show Spoiler +
나우콤에서도 저작권이 들어온 상황이라. 결승전 진행해버리면 강제방송 조취를 취할수 밖에 없구.

Nowcom (Afreeca's parent company) has also received a copyright lawsuit from Blizzard. If I just go ahead and host the finals, the stream will be forced to shutdown..

thats about as close as it comes to evidence about the sc1 streams.. and as i read that and heard zergman say bw streamers wont even be able to stream the game anymore..i think I may have blown that situation out of proportion.. i apologize


So the situation hasn't change.......

i think it has changed because sonic is able to broadcast his league on afreeca again = resolved D: since sonic is also a bw streamer if it wasnt resolved he wouldnt be able to stream?


Not necessarily. He purchased a license to stream the tournament right? Regular BW streamers don't have a license or anything like that?


He will get a license for next season, they gave him a freebie this time

im glad its pretty legit now haha sonic is many inexperienced he learns from these kinds of mistakes. wow so much turmoil in the 7th bj starleague. starting with stream cheating accusations towards minus)zelot and mong and then later the physical fatigue of running 3 offlines in a weekend and then technical difficulties and then a C&D im just glad we got through it hahaha i hope all the guests who were originally supposed to appear can still come out and the venue is still available!


Yes, it's a good learning experience but he has done a great job so far, if there is a way to show him support monetarily I would love to
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 04:24:03
November 15 2012 04:21 GMT
#505
On November 15 2012 12:46 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 12:44 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:40 TheEmulator wrote:
Someone reverse Arvick's ban, lol.

haha his ban was 6 hours hes already unbanned XD

oh, for some reason I thought it was two days.

It was, but someone preemptively ended it lol

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime for cleaning this up. Although Blizzard started off w/ negative PR from this, I believe they have gained positive light in my eyes in the end. Again, thank you.

And to Sonic. Godspeed Sonic, I can't wait for this historic finals to go down
On November 15 2012 12:22 ZodaSoda wrote:
Straight from "Fuck Blizzard" to "Props to Mike Morhaime"
Overreaction Level = to Starcraft 2 Dota 2 and LoL Drama
wheeeeeeeeeeee

These kinds of ppl will always make me laugh
Writerptrk
TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 15 2012 04:23 GMT
#506
Blizzard does something everyone doesn't like and they are a horrible, greedy corporation that only cares about money.
Blizzard does something to immediately rectify the situation. What's the response? That the community made it happen and that Blizzard is just doing damage control.

Hate to say "I told ya so", but it goes without saying. This is why you don't jump to conclusions in the first place.

I'm very happy that the right thing has been done! Sonic is working really hard on this, the community is enjoying it and it would have been a terrible thing for the tournament to not finish.
Just please give credit to Blizzard and Mike Morhaime for making the right decision, instead of patting yourself on the back for being a keyboard warrior.
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
November 15 2012 04:27 GMT
#507
Wow, glad this was cleaned up. Hopefully no further issues will arise!
sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
November 15 2012 04:41 GMT
#508
The squeaky wheel...

Good job guys...and thanks Mike Morhaime.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 15 2012 04:45 GMT
#509
TL whining power #1
:)
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
November 15 2012 04:45 GMT
#510
On November 15 2012 13:23 TrippSC2 wrote:
Blizzard does something everyone doesn't like and they are a horrible, greedy corporation that only cares about money.
Blizzard does something to immediately rectify the situation. What's the response? That the community made it happen and that Blizzard is just doing damage control.

Hate to say "I told ya so", but it goes without saying. This is why you don't jump to conclusions in the first place.

I'm very happy that the right thing has been done! Sonic is working really hard on this, the community is enjoying it and it would have been a terrible thing for the tournament to not finish.
Just please give credit to Blizzard and Mike Morhaime for making the right decision, instead of patting yourself on the back for being a keyboard warrior.


Why am I giving credit to Blizzard? They corrected an error that was their fault to begin with. They don't deserve mounds of credit for returning back to the status quo.

Your logic:
"So that dude did kidnap a girl, but he let her go 3 days later. So really, we should all be patting that guy on the back because he helped resolve a kidnapping case. What an upstanding citizen."
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
November 15 2012 04:46 GMT
#511
Pretty sure nothing would have happened if there wasn't a huge shitstorm lol.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 15 2012 04:47 GMT
#512
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals
Writerptrk
Reapafied
Profile Joined February 2011
65 Posts
November 15 2012 04:49 GMT
#513
This thread made me sad honestly... and I'm sad at people emotional knee-jerk responses and hate circlejerking more so than blizzard...
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 15 2012 04:55 GMT
#514
On November 15 2012 13:49 Reapafied wrote:
This thread made me sad honestly... and I'm sad at people emotional knee-jerk responses and hate circlejerking more so than blizzard...

I'm inclined to believe that Blizzard wouldn't have given a rat's ass if we hadn't bitched about it.
:)
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
November 15 2012 05:01 GMT
#515
On November 15 2012 13:55 synapse wrote:
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On November 15 2012 13:49 Reapafied wrote:
This thread made me sad honestly... and I'm sad at people emotional knee-jerk responses and hate circlejerking more so than blizzard...

I'm inclined to believe that Blizzard wouldn't have given a rat's ass if we hadn't bitched about it.


Blizzard (the higher ups) wouldn't have KNOWN about it if we hadn't bitched about it. After it became known, and they made it clear that they were rectifying the situation, the bitching should have stopped. But no, people bitched for another 20 pages.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 15 2012 05:04 GMT
#516
On November 15 2012 13:49 Reapafied wrote:
This thread made me sad honestly... and I'm sad at people emotional knee-jerk responses and hate circlejerking more so than blizzard...


Nothing would have been fixed if we didn't bitch that much. And we we're right to be outraged, because Morhaime himself sounded surprised by the shit Blizzard Korea (is it Blizzard Korea?) was trying to pull.

Thanks M. Morhaime for intervening in favor of Sonic, and thanks Snorlax for letting him know about the issue. I myself posted it on Blizzard's Facebook page. Maybe it's time to for me to create an account on Twitter haha.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 15 2012 05:06 GMT
#517
On November 15 2012 14:01 zefreak wrote:
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On November 15 2012 13:55 synapse wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:49 Reapafied wrote:
This thread made me sad honestly... and I'm sad at people emotional knee-jerk responses and hate circlejerking more so than blizzard...

I'm inclined to believe that Blizzard wouldn't have given a rat's ass if we hadn't bitched about it.


Blizzard (the higher ups) wouldn't have KNOWN about it if we hadn't bitched about it. After it became known, and they made it clear that they were rectifying the situation, the bitching should have stopped. But no, people bitched for another 20 pages.

actually, the wording was vague enough for more cynically minded people to believe it was just empty words (since sonic was already engaging in the process of getting a license/clearing things up). And the bitching only went on for about 5 pages after the tweet. Once it was resolved, the bitching stopped. Please stop misconstruing the situation.
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masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
November 15 2012 05:12 GMT
#518
So just out of curosity, will the finals still be held on the 17th? or has everything been delayed?
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 15 2012 05:17 GMT
#519
Arvickheroes ban was that hunger strike that caused Mike Mortimer to cave in. Thank you Gandhihero !
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 05:22 GMT
#520
On November 15 2012 14:12 masterbreti wrote:
So just out of curosity, will the finals still be held on the 17th? or has everything been delayed?

I think it depends on how quickly sonic can reobtain the venue and ask all the ppl he canceled to appear at the finals to come back D: i hope it can continue as smoothly as possible
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 05:30:15
November 15 2012 05:29 GMT
#521
On November 15 2012 13:45 hacklebeast wrote:
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On November 15 2012 13:23 TrippSC2 wrote:
Blizzard does something everyone doesn't like and they are a horrible, greedy corporation that only cares about money.
Blizzard does something to immediately rectify the situation. What's the response? That the community made it happen and that Blizzard is just doing damage control.

Hate to say "I told ya so", but it goes without saying. This is why you don't jump to conclusions in the first place.

I'm very happy that the right thing has been done! Sonic is working really hard on this, the community is enjoying it and it would have been a terrible thing for the tournament to not finish.
Just please give credit to Blizzard and Mike Morhaime for making the right decision, instead of patting yourself on the back for being a keyboard warrior.


Why am I giving credit to Blizzard? They corrected an error that was their fault to begin with. They don't deserve mounds of credit for returning back to the status quo.

Your logic:
"So that dude did kidnap a girl, but he let her go 3 days later. So really, we should all be patting that guy on the back because he helped resolve a kidnapping case. What an upstanding citizen."


Wait, what? Blizzard did something legal/within their rights; your analogy doesn't really fit. It's more like "That dude took an old lady's seat on the bus, but after everyone glared at him, he got up."

Blizzard working with Sonic is not exactly angelic behavior, but not something to be dismissed so easily either.

Anyway, hoping for everything to get sorted out quickly ^^
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ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
November 15 2012 05:30 GMT
#522
Was very disappointed when I heard about the initial situation, and extremely happy to hear that Mike worked things out for Sonic.
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Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
November 15 2012 05:31 GMT
#523
Thanks for the update
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
November 15 2012 05:52 GMT
#524
On November 15 2012 14:29 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 13:45 hacklebeast wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:23 TrippSC2 wrote:
Blizzard does something everyone doesn't like and they are a horrible, greedy corporation that only cares about money.
Blizzard does something to immediately rectify the situation. What's the response? That the community made it happen and that Blizzard is just doing damage control.

Hate to say "I told ya so", but it goes without saying. This is why you don't jump to conclusions in the first place.

I'm very happy that the right thing has been done! Sonic is working really hard on this, the community is enjoying it and it would have been a terrible thing for the tournament to not finish.
Just please give credit to Blizzard and Mike Morhaime for making the right decision, instead of patting yourself on the back for being a keyboard warrior.


Why am I giving credit to Blizzard? They corrected an error that was their fault to begin with. They don't deserve mounds of credit for returning back to the status quo.

Your logic:
"So that dude did kidnap a girl, but he let her go 3 days later. So really, we should all be patting that guy on the back because he helped resolve a kidnapping case. What an upstanding citizen."


Wait, what? Blizzard did something legal/within their rights; your analogy doesn't really fit. It's more like "That dude took an old lady's seat on the bus, but after everyone glared at him, he got up."

Blizzard working with Sonic is not exactly angelic behavior, but not something to be dismissed so easily either.

Anyway, hoping for everything to get sorted out quickly ^^

Blizzard didn't win any court cases. The legality in Korea is still in question. Even if their "right" is upheld in a court of law: just because it was legal doesn't mean it wasn't an error on there part. Whether you want to use my analogy or yours, Blizzard shouldn't be lauded either way.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 06:02:26
November 15 2012 06:02 GMT
#525
On November 15 2012 13:21 ArvickHero wrote:
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On November 15 2012 12:46 TheEmulator wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:44 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 15 2012 12:40 TheEmulator wrote:
Someone reverse Arvick's ban, lol.

haha his ban was 6 hours hes already unbanned XD

oh, for some reason I thought it was two days.

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On November 15 2012 12:22 ZodaSoda wrote:
Straight from "Fuck Blizzard" to "Props to Mike Morhaime"
Overreaction Level = to Starcraft 2 Dota 2 and LoL Drama
wheeeeeeeeeeee

These kinds of ppl will always make me laugh


good to know I make your day little more bright..
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ironchef
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Canada1350 Posts
November 15 2012 06:20 GMT
#526
Glad it worked out!
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
November 15 2012 06:54 GMT
#527
so all blizzard haters ^^ say thank you to mr morhaime
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GeLaar
Profile Joined January 2003
2421 Posts
November 15 2012 07:17 GMT
#528
On November 15 2012 15:54 CoR wrote:
so all blizzard haters ^^ say thank you to mr morhaime


"Thank you, Mr. Morhaime." (Yes, I still hate Blizzard.)

The licensing issue was insane to begin with, and that's just one of a long list of reasons to hate them.
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CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
November 15 2012 07:28 GMT
#529
Wow I just read all this drama now !!! Im super glad cause I woulda gotten banned for sure lol.

If I didnt know any better id say this was some elaborate marketing ploy. This is kinda like in politics when you rile up your own base and there is nothing that can unite our base like the hatred for Blizzard lol.

Another victory for BW, we on da comeback trail yo. Next step, we get Mr. Morhaime to tweet about the finals xD
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 15 2012 08:01 GMT
#530
Oh wow, it's been resolved? That's wonderful :D
Glad M.Morhaime got on top of this when he found out, and thanks to Waxangel for letting him know <3
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Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
November 15 2012 08:23 GMT
#531
Thank the heavens, the crisis is resolved! Sonic hwaiting, BW hwaiting!

TL epeen has grown substantially with this as you are all aware xD

On November 15 2012 14:17 Skeggaba wrote:
Arvickheroes ban was that hunger strike that caused Mike Mortimer to cave in. Thank you Gandhihero !

Ghandi-hero: It's over, Mike! I have the (moral) high ground!
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 15 2012 08:25 GMT
#532
Wow so that's what Broodwar is like without Kespa drama..
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 08:43:15
November 15 2012 08:29 GMT
#533
Wow, just got through all 27 pages. Didn't actually expect anything to come out of Mike Morhaime's tweet, not after http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350009&currentpage=94

Still, glad it all worked out? Unless they're still thinking about messing with Afreeca streams. Wouldn't be surprised if they were.

Shame I wasn't able to use my pitchfork this time , love you guys for rallying once again though
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 08:43:10
November 15 2012 08:35 GMT
#534
On November 15 2012 15:54 CoR wrote:
so all blizzard haters ^^ say thank you to mr morhaime

Would you shut the fuck up, with your smugness? I logged on specifically with the intention of doing so, if this issue was resolved, but I wouldn't want anyone to think that you had anything to do with my sentiments, in any way.

Nonetheless, I have no idea whether this is any kind of marketing ploy, but I suspend cynicism for the possibility that Mike Morhaime has done something really good for us here. Thank you Mike for letting great BW go ahead.
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ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
November 15 2012 08:57 GMT
#535
On November 15 2012 17:29 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Wow, just got through all 27 pages. Didn't actually expect anything to come out of Mike Morhaime's tweet, not after http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350009&currentpage=94

Still, glad it all worked out? Unless they're still thinking about messing with Afreeca streams. Wouldn't be surprised if they were.

Shame I wasn't able to use my pitchfork this time , love you guys for rallying once again though


It should be pointed out that after that message aired, it was later edited down to remove Mike's offensive comments about "StarCraft II is the future." The rest of that goes on OGN, not Blizzard, for being completely asstarded and editing Morhaime into a montage of OSL winners. I can't understand what the hell went through their heads.

It's not like Blizzard actually controls what OGN broadcasts, they didn't order them to edit that. I'll bet you OGN asked Mike to record a message and that's what he said, not knowing it was gonna go the way it did.
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Polarexia
Profile Joined November 2010
United States383 Posts
November 15 2012 08:58 GMT
#536
Faith restored.
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
November 15 2012 09:08 GMT
#537
On November 15 2012 14:52 hacklebeast wrote:
Blizzard didn't win any court cases. The legality in Korea is still in question. Even if their "right" is upheld in a court of law: just because it was legal doesn't mean it wasn't an error on there part. Whether you want to use my analogy or yours, Blizzard shouldn't be lauded either way.


Kespa settling suggests that their lawyers did not think it was winnable either. Of course you can say that pretty much every case is unique and this one would definitely have been setting a precedent but I do think Blizzard winning would be very much in line with current copyright law.
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 09:36:59
November 15 2012 09:09 GMT
#538
Sonic says he was able to secure the same venue for December 1st, at Gun-Gook University. The event starts at 7pm KST, and everybody is welcome to come. He says rocker Park Wan Gyu and Kim Carrier are still on board as planned, so all in all everything worked out pretty well He also says you can add him on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt and he will try his best to communicate with you in English haha Oh i forgot to ask him about the stargirls... ._. ill ask when i talk to him again

+ Show Spoiler [Park Wan Gyu] +
Famous rocker who is also an outspoken fan of BW and SKT1/Bisu. He sang the theme song for the last OSL



+ Show Spoiler [Kim Carrier] +
Man who needs no introduction



edit: there's more.. I see another singer, a new girlgroup, a stargirl, and also a racing girl... take a look for yourself: here
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
November 15 2012 09:14 GMT
#539
At least this drama did actually do something. I am very proud of our small but fighting community :D

And now...
+ Show Spoiler +
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :D :D
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Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
November 15 2012 09:24 GMT
#540
Oh wow. Faith in Blizzard partially restored.
Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
November 15 2012 09:35 GMT
#541
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
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On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 09:44:46
November 15 2012 09:43 GMT
#542
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 09:50:54
November 15 2012 09:50 GMT
#543
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


Only if they are in the situation as ours will they understand the rage I was feeling when I read this dumb news in college .There couldn't be a perfect timing than slamming the Cease & Desist before just the finals isn't it ...
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Jaevlaterran
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden578 Posts
November 15 2012 10:00 GMT
#544
Let's say they do solve this and we can have the finals, just a few days later. This is still the worst load of horseshit I've ever been forced to eat. I'm going to lash out at anyone who caused this. They need to understand that this stuff makes a lot of people angry. Big companies understand public relations. They don't understand quiet muttering ("this will probably be fixed..."). Once they realize that their reputation is affected by this decision, they won't do it. Anyone who knows something about marketing knows that this is a way of testing if the fans allow them to actually do this. They announce it and see if they can shut something like this down, and if people aren't too angry, they shut it down. So make sure to be as verbal, angry and out there as you can.

As soon as I saw this I wrote a letter to blizzard telling them how I'm not ok with this. I'm not telling everyone to do exactly what I did, but make sure to do something. If they shut this down it has to cost them something.
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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 10:40:48
November 15 2012 10:04 GMT
#545
On November 15 2012 18:43 Darksoldierr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.

We're not special? So why is the limit 500$ for BW and 5000$ for sc2? And what about the fucking 10 years when we could play this game as we liked before sc2 came out? It's blatant attempts at killing bw - and I would say it is because they can't make a better game.

And they succeeded. E-sports is all but dead now. (Maybe with the exception of lol)
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
November 15 2012 10:34 GMT
#546
Mike Morhaime you're a baws for letting ti slip through

I still standby, that the fact there is something where you have to "slip through" at all is still BS
In the woods, there lurks..
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 10:38:08
November 15 2012 10:37 GMT
#547
On November 15 2012 17:57 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 17:29 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Wow, just got through all 27 pages. Didn't actually expect anything to come out of Mike Morhaime's tweet, not after http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350009&currentpage=94

Still, glad it all worked out? Unless they're still thinking about messing with Afreeca streams. Wouldn't be surprised if they were.

Shame I wasn't able to use my pitchfork this time , love you guys for rallying once again though


It should be pointed out that after that message aired, it was later edited down to remove Mike's offensive comments about "StarCraft II is the future." The rest of that goes on OGN, not Blizzard, for being completely asstarded and editing Morhaime into a montage of OSL winners. I can't understand what the hell went through their heads.

It's not like Blizzard actually controls what OGN broadcasts, they didn't order them to edit that. I'll bet you OGN asked Mike to record a message and that's what he said, not knowing it was gonna go the way it did.


that was my favorite "ogn shrewdly shifts blame onto blizzard for their abandonment of BW for lol" moment

as a bonus, it also doubled as the "sayle officially announces he will never cast a blizzard game professionally" moment
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
ShiroKaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1082 Posts
November 15 2012 10:37 GMT
#548
On November 15 2012 19:04 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 18:43 Darksoldierr wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.

We're not special? So why is the limit 500$ for BW and 5000$ for sc2? And what about the fucking 10 years when we could play this game as we liked before sc2 came out? It's blatant attempts at killing bw - and I would say it is because they can't make a better game.



KeSPA vs GOM vs Blizzard was before SC2 came out...that was when all of this stuff changed, and licensing became a big deal. Blizzard doesn't want big events running their game without their consent. And who's saying that the limit is 500 for BW? Sonic is putting up $7000 total prizes. No matter how you look at it, that's big enough for Blizzard to want them to get a license for.
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 15 2012 11:49 GMT
#549
On November 15 2012 19:04 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 18:43 Darksoldierr wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.

We're not special? So why is the limit 500$ for BW and 5000$ for sc2? And what about the fucking 10 years when we could play this game as we liked before sc2 came out? It's blatant attempts at killing bw - and I would say it is because they can't make a better game.

And they succeeded. E-sports is all but dead now. (Maybe with the exception of lol)


I'm talking about the current tournament, not the whole game. Please, dont make it into a game vs game thread.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
November 15 2012 12:09 GMT
#550
On November 15 2012 19:37 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 19:04 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:43 Darksoldierr wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.

We're not special? So why is the limit 500$ for BW and 5000$ for sc2? And what about the fucking 10 years when we could play this game as we liked before sc2 came out? It's blatant attempts at killing bw - and I would say it is because they can't make a better game.



KeSPA vs GOM vs Blizzard was before SC2 came out...that was when all of this stuff changed, and licensing became a big deal. Blizzard doesn't want big events running their game without their consent. And who's saying that the limit is 500 for BW? Sonic is putting up $7000 total prizes. No matter how you look at it, that's big enough for Blizzard to want them to get a license for.


I would like some clarity on this. How much does a license for broadcasting cost?
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 13:00:18
November 15 2012 12:44 GMT
#551
Blizzard flexed their muscles in this situation again. I Personally dont like the way the affair was handled by them and i dont feel like giving super props to Mike Morhaim for actually doing the right thing. You oughta expect, that a company like Blizzard actually does "the right thing" regarding its own free PR (SSL7).

Furthermore, people commenting here about shitstorms or circlejerking perhaps are not fully aware of perspective on the Blizzard vs Kespa conflict from a broodwar players perspective. So i would be cautious to emphasize the BW beeing overly critical, hyperbolic. Furthermore i suggest you people go back to your subreddits or other forums and leave people alone, that actually care about the game. Many people here seem to view the incident as a chance to get "revenge" on "BW elitists", which in it self is no basis to a fruitful dialogue.
Broodwar for life!
TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 13:26:24
November 15 2012 13:24 GMT
#552
On November 15 2012 13:45 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 13:23 TrippSC2 wrote:
Blizzard does something everyone doesn't like and they are a horrible, greedy corporation that only cares about money.
Blizzard does something to immediately rectify the situation. What's the response? That the community made it happen and that Blizzard is just doing damage control.

Hate to say "I told ya so", but it goes without saying. This is why you don't jump to conclusions in the first place.

I'm very happy that the right thing has been done! Sonic is working really hard on this, the community is enjoying it and it would have been a terrible thing for the tournament to not finish.
Just please give credit to Blizzard and Mike Morhaime for making the right decision, instead of patting yourself on the back for being a keyboard warrior.


Why am I giving credit to Blizzard? They corrected an error that was their fault to begin with. They don't deserve mounds of credit for returning back to the status quo.

Your logic:
"So that dude did kidnap a girl, but he let her go 3 days later. So really, we should all be patting that guy on the back because he helped resolve a kidnapping case. What an upstanding citizen."

Not even close, actually.

Let's recap.

Thread is made explaining Sonic's situation.
Angry (justified) posts about how terrible Blizzard is.
Mike Morhaime tweet and posting in the thread.
Angry posts (no longer justified) continue for ~10 pages despite the tweet with a few sprinklings of people being sensible and saying to wait and see what happens and pointing out the holes in the story being reported.
Sonic announces that all is good and that the people pointing out holes in the story were correct (namely that Blizzard was only trying to shut down streams of SSL and not BW in general).
Posts about how great the community was for sticking it to the man.

The point is that the community didn't actually do anything. Mike Morhaime's tweet happened very early on in this whole saga and the influence of the community was likely minimal outside of informing Mike in the first place (which actually may have been Sonic and not the community). IF you're going to give anyone credit, it should be Blizzard for fixing the problem and in a timely manner instead of the community for doing what it does every time something like this happens.

Hyperbole is fun, but the truth is much better!
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 14:00:51
November 15 2012 13:38 GMT
#553
On November 15 2012 22:24 TrippSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 13:45 hacklebeast wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:23 TrippSC2 wrote:
Blizzard does something everyone doesn't like and they are a horrible, greedy corporation that only cares about money.
Blizzard does something to immediately rectify the situation. What's the response? That the community made it happen and that Blizzard is just doing damage control.

Hate to say "I told ya so", but it goes without saying. This is why you don't jump to conclusions in the first place.

I'm very happy that the right thing has been done! Sonic is working really hard on this, the community is enjoying it and it would have been a terrible thing for the tournament to not finish.
Just please give credit to Blizzard and Mike Morhaime for making the right decision, instead of patting yourself on the back for being a keyboard warrior.


Why am I giving credit to Blizzard? They corrected an error that was their fault to begin with. They don't deserve mounds of credit for returning back to the status quo.

Your logic:
"So that dude did kidnap a girl, but he let her go 3 days later. So really, we should all be patting that guy on the back because he helped resolve a kidnapping case. What an upstanding citizen."

Not even close, actually.

Let's recap.

Thread is made explaining Sonic's situation.
Angry (justified) posts about how terrible Blizzard is.
Mike Morhaime tweet and posting in the thread.
Angry posts (no longer justified) continue for ~10 pages despite the tweet with a few sprinklings of people being sensible and saying to wait and see what happens and pointing out the holes in the story being reported.
Sonic announces that all is good and that the people pointing out holes in the story were correct (namely that Blizzard was only trying to shut down streams of SSL and not BW in general).
Posts about how great the community was for sticking it to the man.

The point is that the community didn't actually do anything. Mike Morhaime's tweet happened very early on in this whole saga and the influence of the community was likely minimal outside of informing Mike in the first place (which actually may have been Sonic and not the community). IF you're going to give anyone credit, it should be Blizzard for fixing the problem and in a timely manner instead of the community for doing what it does every time something like this happens.

Hyperbole is fun, but the truth is much better!

Hacklebeast is right, it's a very sound marketing move by Blizzard, one that 95% of the population will miss because they're overexcited about the event actually taking place, which is why it's so brilliant.

Props to Blizzard, well played (though they have people who are paid for this, so it's not exactly surprising).

Glad the event is on though.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1974 Posts
November 15 2012 13:45 GMT
#554
On November 15 2012 19:37 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 19:04 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:43 Darksoldierr wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.

We're not special? So why is the limit 500$ for BW and 5000$ for sc2? And what about the fucking 10 years when we could play this game as we liked before sc2 came out? It's blatant attempts at killing bw - and I would say it is because they can't make a better game.



KeSPA vs GOM vs Blizzard was before SC2 came out...that was when all of this stuff changed, and licensing became a big deal. Blizzard doesn't want big events running their game without their consent. And who's saying that the limit is 500 for BW? Sonic is putting up $7000 total prizes. No matter how you look at it, that's big enough for Blizzard to want them to get a license for.


the kespa blizzard thing was before sc2 came out, yes but sc2 was already in development and blizzard wanted to save the future of sc2 in korea which didnt work out too well....
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
November 15 2012 13:57 GMT
#555
On November 15 2012 22:24 TrippSC2 wrote:
IF you're going to give anyone credit, it should be Blizzard for fixing the problem and in a timely manner instead of the community for doing what it does every time something like this happens.

Hyperbole is fun, but the truth is much better!


Giving credit for doing shit like this in the first place? Like restricting tournaments and streams? FUCK NO! NEVER!

You know, only because you have the legal power to do something you don't HAVE to use that. Sun Microsystems never sued someone over their patents, fucking Oracle does. Thats why I give props to Sun and my middlefinger to companies like Oracle/Blizzard.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 14:05:13
November 15 2012 13:59 GMT
#556
I don't think anybody fully knows what just happened but I'm glad it turned out well.

Someone should also edit title to [RESOLVED] so that people who read the front page will know about the good news.
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Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
November 15 2012 14:06 GMT
#557
On November 15 2012 11:51 Mirror0423 wrote:
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.
-John Locke

I didn't mind paying blizzard money when it seemed that their goal included helping the community.
I defended blizzard to a point with their IP rights fight against Kespa.
We are the people that support the company, this is not THAT different from a government system. We follow blizzard's rule, and pay blizzard for their services (in this case their product). Blizzard pays it's employers, but that is also investment back into their products. But if blizzard reduces the BW community to "slavery under arbitrary power" I will no longer support blizzard in anyways. This does not help the community.
I will not trash blizzard, since Mike Morhaime at least, seems to not hurt the community for no reason, and he is still influential enough to stop certain absurd tyranny. But that is not good enough, at least not for me. Trying to not hurt the community is not the same as trying to make the community thrive.


That is the craziest, most lacking in perspective thing I have ever read on this forum.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
November 15 2012 14:15 GMT
#558
Waxangel twitted Mike and now all is fixed.
Stork[gm]
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
November 15 2012 14:23 GMT
#559
Sonic and BW fans win!
Flash returns...
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
November 15 2012 15:10 GMT
#560
On November 15 2012 19:37 ShiroKaisen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 19:04 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:43 Darksoldierr wrote:
On November 15 2012 18:35 Elroi wrote:
On November 15 2012 13:47 ArvickHero wrote:
Ok, there's nobody here that wouldn't be thankful of what Mike Morhaime did to save the situation. But don't think for a moment, that we didn't have legitimate reason and precedent to despair and lash out against Blizzard when the news first broke out.

So for all of you people who try to judge the community for "overreacting" and "circle jerking" or whatever .. again I can't do it enough times but to requote Falling:
On November 14 2012 18:37 Falling wrote:
On November 14 2012 17:58 Shockk wrote:
It's been a while since I've been to the Broodwar forums, but this thread is outright depressing. Not because of the sad news for SSL, but because of the reactions of the vast majority of posters in this thread.

All there is at the moment is one side of the story and so far there are four pages of massive anti-SC2, anti-Blizzard circlejerk, filled to the brim with hate and hyperbole. Sure, the current state of BW is nothing to be too happy about. But if this is TeamLiquid's reaction to the issue (or at least TL's BW crowd), then please, don't act surprised if TL and the "Broodwar elitists" are met with disdain everywhere else.

This may be one of the last great bastions of BW fandom on the web, this may be your little club to hang out and socialize, but you're doing an abysmal job of representing the oh-so "mature" StarCraft community.

What is the mature and reasonable reaction you are expecting? If after 12 years, all the SC2 tourneys got shut down or tranitioned into MOBA games. All the pros and casters retire or switch to MOBA games. And then one guy started up a SC2 tourney because he's passionate about it. And then a bunch of the old SC2 pro's started showing up. And then Tastosis said they'd like to cast the finals. So you're super psyched. And then Blizzard drops a cease and desist two days before the tourney?

What other reaction is there?

Think before you post and judge. If you were as invested in this as the rest of us, would you be saying the same things?

Anyways, thank you Mike Morhaime, and to Sonic. I'm truly excited for the Grand Finals

yeah. what would you guys say if some one from blizzard tried to cancel the GSL two days before the finals?


For the record, there is a rule saying you have to get a license, dont blame it on Blizzard if you forgot to look for it. GSL wont be canceled becouse Gom didn't forgot to gain a hold of one. You can hate Blizzard all day every day , fine by me, but before "telling Blizzard how evil, retarded they are and just for a bonus point, all their game sucks ass which was made after 2004", calm down a bit.

There was fuck ups with Sc2 tournaments too based on the licensing rule, dont think you are special.

And with those "thanks Mike but Blizzard still sucks i hate yoou so much" comments what should people like i think, who enjoys both games?

Lets enjoy a decent final instead of keep on spitting everything.

We're not special? So why is the limit 500$ for BW and 5000$ for sc2? And what about the fucking 10 years when we could play this game as we liked before sc2 came out? It's blatant attempts at killing bw - and I would say it is because they can't make a better game.



KeSPA vs GOM vs Blizzard was before SC2 came out...that was when all of this stuff changed, and licensing became a big deal. Blizzard doesn't want big events running their game without their consent. And who's saying that the limit is 500 for BW? Sonic is putting up $7000 total prizes. No matter how you look at it, that's big enough for Blizzard to want them to get a license for.


Blizz started getting anal about BW licenses because they wanted to establish a precedent and keep KeSPA from doing an SC2 league without Blizz getting any cut or credit.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 15 2012 15:38 GMT
#561
I love how making the "right decision" at times becomes "well played" when it was Blizzard KR that raised the issue, and then Blizzard US knew about it.

Only ones deserving credit is Michael Morheim (and the people who helped solve this, not Blizzard KR because they didn't even notify Sonic when the league started), and partially Sonic for not being anal about this and solving this issue out.
ppp
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
November 15 2012 15:45 GMT
#562
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 16:16:47
November 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#563
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
.
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".



Exactly.

It looks like they did "put that fucker on a leash".
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 16:11 GMT
#564
why are ppl still arguing i thought theyd be happy finals is gonna commence...
@rotinegg thx so much for that update finals are a bit postponed but im so glad they got the venue back and the ppl for a later date ^o^ sounds awesome and im sure all the seats will fill up because of all the media attention its been getting haha
+ Show Spoiler [Finals Match ups] +
Still ZvZ and PvP though they should do event matches like sonic vs starcue but starcue needs to play with his headphones on backwards


I think we can stop making more arguements and drama its no doubt mike was very helpful and both parties (sonic and blizzard) had faults of their own. sonic for his inexperience in handling a matter and blizzard korea for their overcautiousness (which is understandable from past events regarding licensing)

but the fact is blizzard korea wished sonic well on the finals and he will also be able to get a license for the 8th SSL. im glad theres gonna be more bw to come.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5484 Posts
November 15 2012 16:22 GMT
#565
I'm confused soo will the finals be held in a gynasium or not?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 16:31 GMT
#566
On November 16 2012 01:22 thezanursic wrote:
I'm confused soo will the finals be held in a gynasium or not?

its the same venue same ppl just on 12/1 now instead
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
November 15 2012 16:33 GMT
#567
On November 15 2012 18:09 rotinegg wrote:
Sonic says he was able to secure the same venue for December 1st, at Gun-Gook University. The event starts at 7pm KST, and everybody is welcome to come. He says rocker Park Wan Gyu and Kim Carrier are still on board as planned, so all in all everything worked out pretty well He also says you can add him on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt and he will try his best to communicate with you in English haha Oh i forgot to ask him about the stargirls... ._. ill ask when i talk to him again

edit: there's more.. I see another singer, a new girlgroup, a stargirl, and also a racing girl... take a look for yourself: here


damn getting even more legit. lol I expected this singer to be shark's friend but it's just another guy, and theres now a racing girl! ^.^

Also theres something about having some PD helping with everything, maybe an old OGN PD or something (google translate not so good). So expect high quality I guess with the camera direction.

sent him a friend request on facebook, but I don't see the "send message with request" anymore :/. Hope he knows foreigners cheering him on.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 15 2012 16:47 GMT
#568
At least we know the situation is being handled now. As for the finals
+ Show Spoiler +
HIVE ZVZ PLEASE?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 16:57:16
November 15 2012 16:57 GMT
#569
glad it all (seemingly) worked out
Free Palestine
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 17:00 GMT
#570
On November 16 2012 01:33 N.geNuity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 18:09 rotinegg wrote:
Sonic says he was able to secure the same venue for December 1st, at Gun-Gook University. The event starts at 7pm KST, and everybody is welcome to come. He says rocker Park Wan Gyu and Kim Carrier are still on board as planned, so all in all everything worked out pretty well He also says you can add him on facebook at http://www.facebook.com/sogoodtt and he will try his best to communicate with you in English haha Oh i forgot to ask him about the stargirls... ._. ill ask when i talk to him again

edit: there's more.. I see another singer, a new girlgroup, a stargirl, and also a racing girl... take a look for yourself: here


damn getting even more legit. lol I expected this singer to be shark's friend but it's just another guy, and theres now a racing girl! ^.^

Also theres something about having some PD helping with everything, maybe an old OGN PD or something (google translate not so good). So expect high quality I guess with the camera direction.

sent him a friend request on facebook, but I don't see the "send message with request" anymore :/. Hope he knows foreigners cheering him on.

He mentioned it was someone who had set up sudden attack and other leagues? but i dont know if he was the ogn guy. i do know though that he is experienced and will be bringing like 3 cameras so we wont have that really ghetto one camera business sonic has going on
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 15 2012 17:57 GMT
#571
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW

Acting on behalf of doesn't represent the CEO's decisions if the CEO himself decides to reverse/resolve the decision right after.
ppp
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
November 15 2012 18:15 GMT
#572
On November 16 2012 02:57 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW

Acting on behalf of doesn't represent the CEO's decisions if the CEO himself decides to reverse/resolve the decision right after.

I don't think you really understand how companies work, the high ups always get to seem like the nice guys because they can afford to tell the others bellow them to play the bully. What you're suggesting is that Blizzard executives have no control over their crew and you're going around (essentially) calling people idiots when they claim otherwise.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 15 2012 18:28 GMT
#573
On November 16 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 02:57 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW

Acting on behalf of doesn't represent the CEO's decisions if the CEO himself decides to reverse/resolve the decision right after.

I don't think you really understand how companies work, the high ups always get to seem like the nice guys because they can afford to tell the others bellow them to play the bully. What you're suggesting is that Blizzard executives have no control over their crew and you're going around (essentially) calling people idiots when they claim otherwise.

What I'm saying is that Blizzard KR acted 'on behalf' of Blizzard corporation itself, yet the higher ups didn't know about this decision because Blizzard KR is supposed to handle all the work that happens in Korea. In addition, BlizzKR said that it will take around 2 weeks to formally process everything to get license from Blizzard as they have to notify the HQ. If Blizzard actually knew what was going on and was involved directly, it wouldn't have taken that long (and with Michael stepping in, it didn't).

And I don't see how the last statement only applies to one particular person when everyone else is doing the same thing, some only in this thread while others doing it over couple of months. Seriously
ppp
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
November 15 2012 18:49 GMT
#574
On November 16 2012 03:28 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:57 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW

Acting on behalf of doesn't represent the CEO's decisions if the CEO himself decides to reverse/resolve the decision right after.

I don't think you really understand how companies work, the high ups always get to seem like the nice guys because they can afford to tell the others bellow them to play the bully. What you're suggesting is that Blizzard executives have no control over their crew and you're going around (essentially) calling people idiots when they claim otherwise.

What I'm saying is that Blizzard KR acted 'on behalf' of Blizzard corporation itself, yet the higher ups didn't know about this decision because Blizzard KR is supposed to handle all the work that happens in Korea. In addition, BlizzKR said that it will take around 2 weeks to formally process everything to get license from Blizzard as they have to notify the HQ. If Blizzard actually knew what was going on and was involved directly, it wouldn't have taken that long (and with Michael stepping in, it didn't).

And I don't see how the last statement only applies to one particular person when everyone else is doing the same thing, some only in this thread while others doing it over couple of months. Seriously

In short, you're saying the same thing I did except you think it somehow proves the point that the high end guys played no role in it. On the contrary, Blizzard KR is simply an enforcement and distribution division of Blizzard itself who take orders from the people whom you're saying have their hands clean entirely. Thus, the guys who are playing the nice guys were the guys that sent out the order in the first place. It's like if I put a security guard at a door and tell him to taser anyone who comes near, then I remedy the situation by taking back my actions... Are my hands clean in this scenario?

Anyhow, the reason I replied to you is because you directly targetted my post by quoting it. Please don't take offence to something you start... lol
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
November 15 2012 18:53 GMT
#575
People find reasons to argue when something bad happens, and then when something amazingly good happens and the finals will happen, people still find some stuff to argue about and be unhappy.....I for one am just happy the finals will happen, nothing more. People need to stop with the constant argumentative attitude, it really helps none and doesn't help these forums , it doesn't help you (if it does you have serious issues that you need to address) , and it doesn't help the growth of the maturity and integrity of the forums either, people need to get off there high horses, be happy , dont argue with each other and be generally nicer towards each other.

I knew that Blizzard wasn't going to not let the finals happen, thats why I refused to join the " FUCK BLIZZARD " cult that was starting, people really need to try to think more positive. The BW foreign scene has to head in one collective direction, people need to work together. Thats my opinion, I know it is random for me to post this, but it is so annoying to see people argue no matter what is being said good or bad...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SSL FINALS YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HYPE
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
November 15 2012 18:55 GMT
#576
On November 16 2012 03:49 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 03:28 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 16 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
On November 16 2012 02:57 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW

Acting on behalf of doesn't represent the CEO's decisions if the CEO himself decides to reverse/resolve the decision right after.

I don't think you really understand how companies work, the high ups always get to seem like the nice guys because they can afford to tell the others bellow them to play the bully. What you're suggesting is that Blizzard executives have no control over their crew and you're going around (essentially) calling people idiots when they claim otherwise.

What I'm saying is that Blizzard KR acted 'on behalf' of Blizzard corporation itself, yet the higher ups didn't know about this decision because Blizzard KR is supposed to handle all the work that happens in Korea. In addition, BlizzKR said that it will take around 2 weeks to formally process everything to get license from Blizzard as they have to notify the HQ. If Blizzard actually knew what was going on and was involved directly, it wouldn't have taken that long (and with Michael stepping in, it didn't).

And I don't see how the last statement only applies to one particular person when everyone else is doing the same thing, some only in this thread while others doing it over couple of months. Seriously

In short, you're saying the same thing I did except you think it somehow proves the point that the high end guys played no role in it. On the contrary, Blizzard KR is simply an enforcement and distribution division of Blizzard itself who take orders from the people whom you're saying have their hands clean entirely. Thus, the guys who are playing the nice guys were the guys that sent out the order in the first place. It's like if I put a security guard at a door and tell him to taser anyone who comes near, then I remedy the situation by taking back my actions... Are my hands clean in this scenario?

Anyhow, the reason I replied to you is because you directly targetted my post by quoting it. Please don't take offence to something you start... lol

Are you even sure that they were the ones who sent out the direct order in this particular case? I know Blizzard gave BlizzKR permission to deny any tournament without obtaining a license. What I'm praising Michael for is making the wait time shorter, and resolving the issue in a timely manner such that Sonic league can be continued without Sonic waiting for 2 additional weeks to wait for a response from BlizzHQ.

And I don't take offence to something I start. I take offence at other things.
ppp
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 15 2012 19:10 GMT
#577
This is just an argument of an optimist vs cynicist point of view, both have valid points. There's never going to be any conclusive end to this unless there's evidence (impossible to gain), so might as well just agree to disagree
Writerptrk
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
November 15 2012 19:40 GMT
#578
On November 16 2012 04:10 ArvickHero wrote:
This is just an argument of an optimist vs cynicist point of view, both have valid points. There's never going to be any conclusive end to this unless there's evidence (impossible to gain), so might as well just agree to disagree


But we are on the internet, if i'm right and he is wrong, i have to tell him
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
November 15 2012 19:42 GMT
#579
On November 16 2012 04:40 Darksoldierr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 04:10 ArvickHero wrote:
This is just an argument of an optimist vs cynicist point of view, both have valid points. There's never going to be any conclusive end to this unless there's evidence (impossible to gain), so might as well just agree to disagree


But we are on the internet, if i'm right and he is wrong, i have to tell him

There's right and wrong in all this? O_O
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
November 15 2012 19:48 GMT
#580
On November 16 2012 04:10 ArvickHero wrote:
This is just an argument of an optimist vs cynicist point of view, both have valid points. There's never going to be any conclusive end to this unless there's evidence (impossible to gain), so might as well just agree to disagree

Oh, I agree that we'll disagree, I also agree that it's because he's an idiot.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
November 15 2012 19:54 GMT
#581
What's up with the "WOOOOHOOOOO *pours beer on Pusan's head*" part? Pusan + Show Spoiler +
lost... what's the celebration?
EleGant[AoV]
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 15 2012 20:09 GMT
#582
On November 16 2012 04:54 ImbaTosS wrote:
What's up with the "WOOOOHOOOOO *pours beer on Pusan's head*" part? Pusan + Show Spoiler +
lost... what's the celebration?

it was from when pusan advanced into ro4 after 3-0ing cola and then during the interview a dude came with a bottle of beer and poured it on pusan head going WOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOO XD
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
November 15 2012 20:32 GMT
#583
On November 16 2012 04:48 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 04:10 ArvickHero wrote:
This is just an argument of an optimist vs cynicist point of view, both have valid points. There's never going to be any conclusive end to this unless there's evidence (impossible to gain), so might as well just agree to disagree

Oh, I agree that we'll disagree, I also agree that it's because he's an idiot.


Eywa- you should really stop acting like you are smarter or better than everyone else, you are so self indulging, so self righteous, you are no genius and you are not omniscient, I think that you should really just focus on the success of your tournaments rather than argueing with people on forums any chance you get, being able to properly articulate on a keyboard doesn't make you a genius or smarter than everyone else Eywa- , Grow up.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
LTY
Profile Joined November 2012
United States223 Posts
November 15 2012 20:35 GMT
#584
ZvZ final and PvP 3rd 4th placement match. Thanks Blizzard.
Known as Miso or LTY
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
November 15 2012 20:45 GMT
#585
I like where this thread is now heading. Does GGzerg and Eywa shipping begin or do they begin the epenis war?

"you should focus on your tournaments eywa-san, you're so self centered, if only I hadn't...."
"hadn't what"
"hadn't.....tried to fight with you......maybe you could join my gosu korean clan eywa-san~~~~"
"whose in it?"
"just.....me and you ^.~. I can't deny it,..... I'm attracted to your large..........confidence. FORGIVE ME FOR FIGHTING YOU EYWASAN"
then kiss
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 15 2012 20:48 GMT
#586
On November 16 2012 05:35 LTY wrote:
ZvZ final and PvP 3rd 4th placement match. Thanks Blizzard.

Blizzard had nothing to do with the SSL results. Unless you are predicting the WCS brackets already.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3046 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 20:53:45
November 15 2012 20:52 GMT
#587
On November 16 2012 04:48 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 04:10 ArvickHero wrote:
This is just an argument of an optimist vs cynicist point of view, both have valid points. There's never going to be any conclusive end to this unless there's evidence (impossible to gain), so might as well just agree to disagree

Oh, I agree that we'll disagree, I also agree that it's because he's an idiot.


On November 16 2012 03:15 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2012 02:57 supernovamaniac wrote:
On November 16 2012 00:45 SagaZ wrote:
Even if the warnings came from blizzard korea they represent blizzard...
so to all people saying "thank this guy" it's like if he let his hudge midly retarded attack dog free in a park and the dog attacks a poor guy. when mike goes oh shit, wtf my dog is chewing this poor kid, better restrain it, you don't say thanks to the guy, you say "put that fucker on a leash god damnit".

And come on now, BW so old now in video game age, game from 98 are reaching the abandonware status by now, the people that made the game don't even work for blizzard anymore. Blizzard had a hudge luck hit when designing the game, but didn't notice they had. they made the game, patched it and said gg, abandoned the game. Not to blame them, that's how video games market used to work, you made a game sold copies and moved on to another game. Then people in korea took the game, and with hudge efforts made it into something hudge. blizzard's help in setting this? 0, one, nothing, they just didn't know/didn't gave a shit (again, that's how things worked back in the day). pro gaming became a thing, a hudge thing, progamers, events, prizes, TV coverage, ect. And then, blizzard, the companie that, yes, made the game comes back, probably attracted by the scent of money to fuck shit up.

So yeah, I'm not saying thank you to anyone but sonic, blizzard still sucks
blizzard made broodwar
Passion made profesional BW

Acting on behalf of doesn't represent the CEO's decisions if the CEO himself decides to reverse/resolve the decision right after.

I don't think you really understand how companies work, the high ups always get to seem like the nice guys because they can afford to tell the others bellow them to play the bully. What you're suggesting is that Blizzard executives have no control over their crew and you're going around (essentially) calling people idiots when they claim otherwise.

Heh.

On November 16 2012 05:35 LTY wrote:
ZvZ final and PvP 3rd 4th placement match. Thanks Blizzard.

Blizzard did not affect the results of Sonic Starleague.
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