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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 16:23:27
November 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#341
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I'm late, whatever, want people to see instead of continuing to say the same things as before.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51101 Posts
November 14 2012 16:22 GMT
#342
On November 15 2012 01:10 Xacez wrote:

Show nested quote +
Our team is reaching out to them to give them permission to continue.


alright, for the first time in my life whining bitching and moaning on the forums resulted in something for me.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 14 2012 16:25 GMT
#343
Still even after allowing, bad PR by them, not gonna buy their games anymore. Good thing Dota 2 is strong in SEA region here.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
dragonsuper
Profile Joined October 2010
Liechtenstein222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 16:32:10
November 14 2012 16:30 GMT
#344
Good move blizzard , i hope that now this can wake up all the people who hasn't understood yet WHAT blizzard IS NOW.



+ Show Spoiler +
A great PIECE OF SHIT



Obviously i won't buy HOTS and i'll try to keep ALL the people i know from Buying it.



User was temp banned for this post.
lol
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
November 14 2012 16:34 GMT
#345
On November 15 2012 01:30 dragonsuper wrote:
Good move blizzard , i hope that now this can wake up all the people who hasn't understood yet WHAT blizzard IS NOW.



+ Show Spoiler +
A great PIECE OF SHIT



Obviously i won't buy HOTS and i'll try to keep ALL the people i know from Buying it.



Unfortunately, the ordinary people/casuals and those who don't read forums much, won't know about this shit and will still give Blizz tons of sale.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 14 2012 16:35 GMT
#346
On November 14 2012 23:03 2Pacalypse- wrote:
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On November 14 2012 22:59 Waxangel wrote:
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.

There's also a problem of BW license fee beeing way too expensive, for someone like Sonic who's funding most of the things from his own pocket.

I agree with the guy who mentioned that maybe we could get in contact with Sonic and offer to gather money to pay for his license fee.


That would be great.
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
November 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#347
Well i always knew Mike is a full geek inside and good to see its showing. As for the whole issue, i think Blizzard's korean department took the rules a bit more strictly or just wanted to be an overall dickhead

Would be cool if you could stop this blizzard hate train.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
November 14 2012 16:41 GMT
#348
I just wanted to point out this isnt the first tournament hosted with a sponsor and a prize pool over $500.. Starcraft on afreeca just came to be. Zergman was saying yesterday how afreeca broadcasts of starcraft began from one or two streamers who liked playing starcraft and wanted to broadcast it. And sonic always did mention the game is so old that even the proscene is gone, he just wantes to revive the game he loved so much. Sure sonic messed up he should known the rules but I mean sonic is not a poor man but to see him go through that much trouble over licensing fees just shows how big of a price tag Blizzard put on this thing.. they also want one license for finals and another to broadcast. Two licenses to purchase for an individual. and on top of that instead of nowcom paying any fees to allow starcraft to be broadcasted on afreeca, they are considering not allowing starcraft streams. if the profits/viewers < Licensing Fees just how much is Blizzard charging?!.. I can only assume its quite a hefty fee -_- I just hope blizzard can try and work with sonic.. sonic understands he made a mistake he even posted saying he will resolve this issue as professionally as possible.. but in the event the finals are only able to happen AFTER Pusan goes to army I cant help but rage then >
masterbreti
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)2711 Posts
November 14 2012 16:42 GMT
#349
Well I do hope they are able to contiune and have the finals on the 17th like before. I really want to go and support the finals and sonic.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
November 14 2012 16:47 GMT
#350
The hyperbole in this thread is just astounding. Are you people capable of rational thought?
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 14 2012 16:51 GMT
#351
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?

BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
November 14 2012 16:54 GMT
#352
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Yeah, because in most places copyright lasts 70 years after the death of the author(s) (...or forever and a day) and is ridiculously broad in what it covers. No, it doesn't make sense in my opinion but that's the world we live in...
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
November 14 2012 16:55 GMT
#353
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Companies can claim copyright infringement if you stream their games, yeah. Nobody actually does this, generally. But that's the easiest claim to get things taken down with. Even if the legal waters are muddy, the threat of lawsuit is good enough to get most websites to comply.
TehRei
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:16:00
November 14 2012 16:59 GMT
#354
Remember when Blizzard were nice people who actually cared about their games, their players and their fans?

...

Me neither.


EDIT: If Mike Morhaime lives up to his tweets I'll partially retract the above statement. I still think there's loads of douchebags at Blizz, but in this case it might've only been Blizzard Korea who fucked up big time.
Of course sonic isn't completely blameless either, but the fact that Blizzard goes after a small tournament in a relatively small niche is absolutely disgusting, regardless of the circumstances. Even more so when they're stopping the finals of the tournament in question.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:01:24
November 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#355
On November 15 2012 01:37 Darksoldierr wrote:
Well i always knew Mike is a full geek inside and good to see its showing. As for the whole issue, i think Blizzard's korean department took the rules a bit more strictly or just wanted to be an overall dickhead

Would be cool if you could stop this blizzard hate train.

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.
Taengoo ♥
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#356
On November 15 2012 01:55 goiflin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Companies can claim copyright infringement if you stream their games, yeah. Nobody actually does this, generally. But that's the easiest claim to get things taken down with. Even if the legal waters are muddy, the threat of lawsuit is good enough to get most websites to comply.


Hmm interesting ...how about this ?

What if we are the owners of the game and that I mean purchase broodwar original copy and decided to stream it online ? I bought the game for the purpose of enjoying it and also as a legal owner of the game copy that I purchase . Do I have not the right to show my enjoyment to other users ?. Can that also constitute CI ?
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
November 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#357
Why would you do this Blizzard, WHY? This is nothing but bad PR, you've already succeeded in killing the real BW pro scene this is just sad.
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
November 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#358
On November 15 2012 02:00 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 01:55 goiflin wrote:
On November 15 2012 01:51 Sawamura wrote:
I wonder how much is this licensing fee thingy is ..... and for what duration does it cover if we pay xxxx of amount ? 3 months ? 6 months ? 1 year ? .Besides that what was Kim Carrier reaction to the cancellation of the finals because of the licensing issue ?. I am also curious if the law suit is really going to be employed against afreeca and if they do on what basis are they suing afreeca for ? Individuals Playing broodwar a 14 year old game on afreeca is copyright infringement ?



Companies can claim copyright infringement if you stream their games, yeah. Nobody actually does this, generally. But that's the easiest claim to get things taken down with. Even if the legal waters are muddy, the threat of lawsuit is good enough to get most websites to comply.


Hmm interesting ...how about this ?

What if we are the owners of the game and that I mean purchase broodwar original copy and decided to stream it online ? I bought the game for the purpose of enjoying it and also as a legal owner of the game copy that I purchase . Do I have not the right to show my enjoyment to other users ?. Can that also constitute CI ?


Depends on the country, I'd imagine. In America, at least, yeah. They can stop you from doing it under CI.
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:11:10
November 14 2012 17:04 GMT
#359
On November 15 2012 01:22 Pucca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2012 00:39 vOdToasT wrote:
On November 15 2012 00:26 Pucca wrote:
It is interesting to me that Blizzard is still actually aware of Brood War. Just to turn a optimistic stand point out there they might have something planned? I highly doubt it but at least they are aware of BW.

Also remember Blizzard are the people who made us Brood War...


ROTFLMFAO

They don't have anything planned for Brood War, please wake up or stop smoking that shit.

As for the people who made Brood War - they are no longer at Blizzard. This is a fact. They moved on to two seperate studios, one of which is ArenaNet, the creators of Guild Wars.

Do you really think the same people who made the mediocre games World Of WarCraft and Diablo 3 are the same people who made WarCraft II, StarCraft, and Diablo 1 and 2?

Optimism my friend . Like I said HIGHLY unlikely but all I can do is hope.


I do hope for the future of Brood War. I just don't hope that Blizzard will do anything for BW, because I know I would just get dissapointed.

They're threatening to stop the streaming of Brood War on Afreeca. Have they ever threatened Twitch to stop the streaming of StarCraft 2? StarCraft 2 is making more money from ad revenue than Brood War is, and it's still only Brood War they're going after.

In StarCraft 2, you don't have to pay Blizzard anything to run a tournament as long as the prize pool is less than or equal to $5000. But when it comes to Brood War, they're going after the SSL, which, I am quite certain, does not have a prize pool of more than $5000 (lol).

Tbh that's probably exactly what it was. Blizzard Korea just abiding by the guidelines set, SSL not contacting them for licensing issues, Mike Morhaime learning about it and reaching out to get it fixed.


I hope this is the case. But even if it is, why are the rules so much stricter for Brood War than they are for StarCraft 2? It makes no sense.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 17:18:52
November 14 2012 17:17 GMT
#360
Damnit blizzard.
Hrmm if mike comes through i might withdraw that statement.
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