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Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 14:13:54
November 14 2012 14:13 GMT
#301
Can't they at least try go to Mike Morhaime and ask for a big discount/waive or something while negotiating future licensing? Edit: They aren't currently enemies, are they?
"Eyes in the sky."
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
November 14 2012 14:20 GMT
#302
I'm down with TL helping him pay the license fee. I'm still a student and I don't make money yet, but I'm willing to give all the real money I got/will get from D3 lol. It's not that much, but I really want to help too.
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
November 14 2012 14:20 GMT
#303
I was thinking about tweeting Mike Morhaime, or sending an email, but im close to 100% he would never read it or just way too late for him to do anything.
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
November 14 2012 14:22 GMT
#304
On November 14 2012 23:20 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was thinking about tweeting Mike Morhaime, or sending an email, but im close to 100% he would never read it or just way too late for him to do anything.


We could complain on the Bnet forums.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 14 2012 14:26 GMT
#305
On November 14 2012 22:40 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.
I believe there are separate licensing conditions for Korea (compared with the rest of the world.)
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
November 14 2012 14:35 GMT
#306
So why cant SSL make it global/non korean tournament for separate licensing?
Sumadin
Profile Joined August 2011
Denmark588 Posts
November 14 2012 14:36 GMT
#307
On November 14 2012 23:02 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 22:48 Sawamura wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:40 Ribbon wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:31 jpak wrote:
On November 14 2012 22:26 Ribbon wrote:
Did Blizz actually shut down the SSL because they don't want BW tournaments at all, or is it because they wanted a licensing fee for a BW tournament the same way they do for an SC2 tournament?

I know BW vs SC2 is a popular thread to have, but Blizz has fucked over SC2 tournaments as well (Totalbiscuit).

What did Blizzard actually want, to resolve the licensing issues?

They have separate licensing terms for BW and SC2.
On November 14 2012 19:54 ArvickHero wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:47 JohnChoi wrote:
On November 14 2012 19:38 Asha` wrote:
Does anyone know more details about the exact nature of the licensing stuff?

There has been a long standing stipulation that tournaments with a bigger than $5k prize pool (that SSL does have this season) have to negotiate licensing terms with Blizzard and I wonder if this is what has come up

See TB's blog regarding his SCI tournaments for SC2

You are probably aware that the standard tournament license has a $5000 limit on it. Go any higher than that and you have to arrange things with Blizzard, which as I've explained before, usually involves them taking a share of your ad revenue, which for this tournament would hurt us more than it would help.

Different games of course but I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's licensing is the same across both. I believe this is the first season of the SSL to clear the $5k prize pool mark and perhaps this is what he's run into issues with?

Not sure if it is plausible but maybe he could just lower the prize pool to the $5k limit in the short term if this might be the case. I'm sure the players would understand and be sympathetic.

I read a post on sonics page saying hte limit is $500 prize pool and he surpassed that amount on multiple tourneys..

source

last (event, not official .. like 6.5) SSL had a sponsor and 3k prize pool which is well over 500 .. along w/ many of his other SSLs and BJ Ranking tourneys

So Blizz has separate rules for SC2 and BW for prize pool limits.



That seems weird. Blizz is aware of Team Liquid, and therefore the BW forum, and yet the ISL wasn't shut down.

I'm not saying Blizzard aren't being dicks here, but I'd like to know the whole story before I get on the bandwagon. What did Blizzard want?


I see the word WHOLE STORY and I think yeah probably I could get the whole story if I was sonic best friend .

Definitely not the whole story here .. especially when the terms could(sonic didn't even release the letter or email he received) be really picky,meticulous or what should I call it overzealous ? This are my assumptions but what the hell, for the record we are talking about blizzard here.


My assumption is that it's closer to Blizzard's rules for SC2 tournaments. Totalbiscuit had to shut down an SC2 tournament because Blizz wanted half the ad revenue. Maybe Blizzard wanted a licensing fee, or their logo all over everything, or just want BW tournaments to be cleared by them in advance to protect the IP.

Maybe Blizz Korea are a bunch of douchebags, and everyone on the anger train is right. But I doubt Blizz shut the tournament down solely because they didn't want it going on.


I wanted to stay out of this thread but the amought of missinformation in this thread is atrocious.

TB's shoutcraft invitational was never shut down by Blizzard, because it was always on the 5k limit that Blizzard allows for tournements without licence(for SC2). Infact if i recall correctly he was granted a licence some time ago to hold a tournement above that after some work he did for Blizzard(can't rememper what).

What put Shoutcraft invitational on hold was and is still to this day the immence oversaturation of the SC2 scene. There havn't been an appropiate weekend all year.
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Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2013 Posts
November 14 2012 14:45 GMT
#308
On November 14 2012 23:22 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 23:20 Darksoldierr wrote:
I was thinking about tweeting Mike Morhaime, or sending an email, but im close to 100% he would never read it or just way too late for him to do anything.


We could complain on the Bnet forums.


Personally i never was fan of whining on official forums, dont think so you could get far even with a well written complaiment. And i'm not even sure there is a forum for BW tournaments and / or anyone would read it in time
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3763 Posts
November 14 2012 14:47 GMT
#309
On November 14 2012 22:59 Waxangel wrote:
The timing by Blizzard was absolutely terrible.

But there is no doubt that Sonic is at fault as the tournament organizer for not taking care of such an important issue beforehand.

Sonis is at fault but all things considered, Blizzard is asking for a shitstorm by blocking finals of a league. It's not like they didn't know until know that it exists and it's not like they would suffer significant lose if they would approach Sonic only after the final. The timing is terrible but what's worse it's probably deliberately terrible.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
November 14 2012 14:52 GMT
#310
Can someone get in contact with sonic so we can start some kind of donation? Maybe TL can set something up on a this website, or we can use gofundme, etc
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Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
November 14 2012 14:53 GMT
#311
SBWI to the rescue? Please ?
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
November 14 2012 14:54 GMT
#312
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:

I am requesting a 2 day ban.
User was temp banned for this post.

lol???

but so sad
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jimbob615
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Uruguay455 Posts
November 14 2012 15:05 GMT
#313
i love sc2... but not cool blizzard. let the oldies play their game in peace.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
November 14 2012 15:07 GMT
#314
On November 14 2012 23:54 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:

I am requesting a 2 day ban.
User was temp banned for this post.

lol???

but so sad

People are passionate about BW enough that some of us view this as absolutely despicable to do on Blizzard's part while also acknowledging that Sonic fucked up on not making sure he had it completely cleared with them. But if it comes out that he was being misdirected or delayed in any way even if he had applied early for this, it would only make Blizz's position much worse. Frankly, Blizz Korea also hitting on Afreeca for restreamers/BJs is a very bad business move for them.
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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
November 14 2012 15:09 GMT
#315
This is absolutely ridiculous. I would be shocked if we don't see an official statement from Blizzard explaining why they are doing this. There has to be more to the story than we are being told.

Also, Blizzard's legal department has a history of shoot first, ask questions later when it comes to copyright lawsuits. The World of Starcraft custom game was given a cease-and-desist and threatened with a lawsuit, only to have the cease-and-desist lifted once it was actually reviewed.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 14 2012 15:13 GMT
#316
This is some of the worst news to wake up to. I'm gonna have a bitter taste in my mouth all day.
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Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
November 14 2012 15:15 GMT
#317
On November 14 2012 23:54 sabas123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2012 16:50 ArvickHero wrote:

I am requesting a 2 day ban.
User was temp banned for this post.

lol???

but so sad


Lol he did it to save himself from a worse ban than he requested so he didnt rage on the forums smart choice :D

Also Kespa was running without a blizzard license for the longest time I thought... Never played BW much besides the campaign after I knew about the game and still kind of find this as an asshole thing to do to the tournament organizer. Works probably alot of hours and pours so much money into it and then this come along.. Hope you guys are able to solve the problem and continue on with the tournament. GLGL :D
Sirrush
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
November 14 2012 15:15 GMT
#318
What in the actual fuck, Blizzard!?
Words.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
November 14 2012 15:16 GMT
#319
fuckity fuck fuck.

it's not just the league, I can hypothetically understand that (especially since future SSL had a like 15k sponsor lined up; it's big money), but if nowcom got a lawsuit then wtf can they do? "no one stream brood war anymore kk thanks"?

just fucking kicking the community down for no gain.
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Golbat
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States499 Posts
November 14 2012 15:20 GMT
#320
I'm completely not surprised blizzard would do this kind of shit, but that really really sucks. I don't know why they couldn't just wait until this season is over and then make him get a permit. Activision probably has a lot to do with this.
Like why do u use an oven instead of a fire? Coz its fucking better at cooking, that doesnt mean you want the shit to burn.
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