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Hetairoi
Sweden508 Posts
On November 15 2012 04:05 Zhromar wrote: Always nice to see how childish the BW community is. Blizzard is on it, stop QQ'ing about your dead game and live with it. Why are you even in this thread? | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:39 TrippSC2 wrote: I have no problem with the reaction, before the twitter post. Blizzard shut down something that you are passionate about and I would be pissed to in your shoes. But, you have a quote from the CEO of Blizzard directly saying that Blizzard isn't going to shut down this tournament. Outside of a few people trying to point it out to the masses, the reaction is exactly the same! The continued anti-Blizzard tone of this thread just shows how bitter and irrational that this community can be, and it isn't limited to the BW fans. He didn't say he wasn't going to shut down the tournament, he said they were "reaching out to them to give them permission to continue", which is changes ... nothing? Technically, they've already been doing that since Sonic was already (trying to) engage in the process of obtaining a license, but that won't change the fact that the SSL Finals for this weekend has been cancelled, or that they're ordering the shut down of BW streams on Afreeca unless Nowcom pays up some nice money for a BW license. Oh yea, and Sonic is most likely going to lose a lot of money because of this, when he wasn't even close to making a profit from this to begin with. Great job Blizzard, no wonder why you're being viewed so negatively! Yes Sonic has admitted fault for having no license, but based on past precedence where he exceeded the prize pool limit multiple times w/o a license, who can blame him? Blizzard truly chose some awesome timing for their attack lol. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
And you're reallly trying to stretch the hate here, if Morhaime is trying to get it fixed, it's trying to get it fixed, not just 'lol were just trying to force the shut down', if it means trying to get him so he doesn't have to cancel it or get him licenses expedited for free, than they'll do it, blizzard doesn't want to kill anything, anyone who's ever seen the actual leadership of blizzard and interacted with them, understand this, but it always is easier to just get out the pitchforks. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
FUCK BLIZZARD!!!!!!! User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:58 Kazeyonoma wrote: Yes, scbw's significant $ pool is set much lower than the sc2 scene, but this number was set for a reason, who knows why, maybe it's something kespa negotiated into the final agreement with blizz to make sure they didn't have major competition for other tournaments once kespa was given 'rights' to host scbw tournaments (which they ended up stopping eventually regrettably). But all of this is still jsut speculation from BOTH sides because we don't know the details. The simple truth is, YOU ASK FOR PERMISSION IF YOU ARE GOING TO HOST A TOURNAMENT. You have a good point about the streaming copyright notice. If nothing comes of it, it probably means that Blizzard Korea wanted to do it, and Blizzard told them not to. Also, it is possible that the reason Blizzard took no action against other, non korean tournaments that had over $500 in the prize pool, is that it was Blizzard Korea's doing. However, you have no real argument about BW tournaments only being allowed $500. None at all. You just say "It probably has something to do with KeSPA". Are you really going to assume that, despite there being a rule like this, Blizzard is innocent? I will only forgive them if they change the rule. We also don't know if they will actually let Newcom (the owners of Afreeca) keep Brood War streams without paying a license. Until they let them do that (Like they let Twitch have SC2 streams without paying), I'm going to reserve judgement on this issue. You should as well. Don't just assume Blizzard is right. | ||
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TrippSC2
United States209 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:40 vOdToasT wrote: Allow me to quote myself. Even if this was all Blizzard Korea's fault, and not Blizzard's (Intervening right before the finals rather than earlier, threatening with copyright notices against Brood War streams while leaving SC2 streams alone) Blizzard still instructed Blizzard Korea to do that shit. And they still have the bullshit rules of treating Korea and the rest of the world differently when it comes to BW tournaments, and treating BW worse than SC2 when it comes to running tournaments. Do you have any justification for this? If you don't, I'm going to continue thinking Blizzard are assholes. I don't see how they're not, but if you have arguments, let me know them, and if they are sound, I will change my mind. So, you continue to prove my point. First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case. Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money. On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation. | ||
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Korelle
143 Posts
SAY IT AIN'T SO. | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9529 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:45 Falling wrote: A little calmer now after some sleep. I like how reddit has managed to drop that down to zero points. 300 up. 332 down  It's because of this thread, which is currently #1 on /r/starcraft - http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/136if6/its_not_incontrol_drama_its_not_sponsor_emailing/ Basically SC2 fans judging the BW community for reacting so passionately. I'd just like to see how they would react if their game was in this position  | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On November 15 2012 04:07 amazingxkcd wrote: Well, Reddit is just sc2 forum, so I'm not surprised. Lets leave this out of this thread if you could. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On November 15 2012 03:36 Sumadin wrote: Can you all put down those damm pitchforks now, this is getting embarrassing. I can assure you, all of our pitchforks will be retained until the commencement of the sospa finals without the interference of Activision Blizzard and it's affiliates. Furthermore, for even making the assertion that they at Activision Blizzard have even the slightest notion of retarding Sonic's endeavors, I strongly advise the populace of the internetworked community of players to be outraged with nothing less than civil unrest. To all the faithful, and to Sonic himself, godspeed! May your efforts not be in vain, but triumph over tyranny; yes, tyranny. With the acquisition of capital as their one and only goal, even to slither as a hydralisk over the skulls of millions, corporatism must be met not with complacency, but with contention. This "Blizzard" you see, this swarm, ironically, on the eve of the release of their latest title, has lost their heart, and soon, their legacy will be null and void - but only if our weight tips the lever over the fulcrum in our favour! What you are seeing now is a monopoly, but with nary a mustachioed carefree aristocrat prancing happily across a game board, but only the malicious intent that a monopoly can yield, for which other RTS can rise to the challenge of competing with the brainchild of this latest incarnation of their syndicate? 'Tis an oligopoly of the lowest regard, slithering it's vile slime-seeped tentacles into every facet of the competitive spirit of their hungry consumers, preying on their hopes and dreams, while complicit in their desire to sink their talons into the fat cow of tournament-play - not for love of the game, but for love of the specie - all whilst fielding special rules for a single nation while ignoring the rest of the world, while optimizing their titles to best suit the least talented among gamers, while exercising the rule of law at their convenience, and while pretending to be sympathetic to their customers, when their history tells quite a different story. "PR" is quite simply just "PR", and nothing more; every syllable uttered is to quiet dissent and court the wallets and bank accounts of their most trusting Ovis Aries. This is not, if you will, a question of legality, but a question of ethics. The very brightest minds of our litigators can yield the most preposterous exposition of cacophonous blather to bend the rule of law into their favor, but that will never make it right. This dissent, you see, is not a result of thoughtlessness, but a thoughtful repudiation of corporate greed. The rage of the people here is only matched by the love we have in our hearts for something we've become ostensibly passionate about, and that love cannot be refuted by legality. Therefore, I think it necessary, and right, to not only wield a pitchfork, but possibly also a torch, and perhaps a battalion of men to hold a battering ram, to knock down the door of this loveless, awful, and greedy campaign against one of the most selfless and noble causes to grace our doorstep in quite some time. edit: PM - Original Message From Grumbels: it's really embarrassing if you write so pretentiously and then confuse its and it's trolololololol. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
I just don't get Blizzard here. This is just awful and a terrible move. Hopefully, there'll be a non-retarded solution to this. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote: So, you continue to prove my point. First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case. Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money. On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation. I really doubt the official terms would have that kind of typo i dont think its safe to assume such a thing.. and its. ot just the broadcasting online they also require you to purchase a license for the offline finals event which is indeed a LAN which means they are targetting both the online broadcast and the LAN aspect. The reason people are saying bw streams are also affectex is due to nowcom receiving a copyright which means bw streams would have to stop.. of course im only basing this off of what one streamer (Zergman) said and he is no lawyer or anything.. but the possibility of bw streams being forced to shutdown is still possible it really depends on how nowcom handles it. Plz read the other posts before you start posting stuff like this... it only further stirs up needless arguments. | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 15 2012 04:16 Kazeyonoma wrote: when was the last time he held the SSL? if it was before the Kespa drama came to a close, than his precedence was based on old policies. And you're reallly trying to stretch the hate here, if Morhaime is trying to get it fixed, it's trying to get it fixed, not just 'lol were just trying to force the shut down', if it means trying to get him so he doesn't have to cancel it or get him licenses expedited for free, than they'll do it, blizzard doesn't want to kill anything, anyone who's ever seen the actual leadership of blizzard and interacted with them, understand this, but it always is easier to just get out the pitchforks. During and after KeSPA drama, Sonic's leagues have been going on for a while now. Again, Morhaime's words don't change anything from the current situation, because that's what the situation already was before he even tweeted that message. But I guess we'll have to wait and see if anything comes of it (as in, not having to wait at least 2 weeks for the license, or having to pay a lot of money, or retracting the copyright notice from Nowcom regarding BW or at least extending it to SC2, D3 and WoW). | ||
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JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On November 15 2012 04:35 Kazeyonoma wrote: Do we even know what the 'cost' of these licenses are? I know Sonic has stated he will pay for them out of pocket, but he's never presented us with any proof that they're asking for anything or sizeable. Just like the 'license' for running small tournaments in sc2, is just an email after filling out the form, it's possible, his is not very expensive, hell, even in the blizzard/kespa negotiations, it was a simple 1$ fee just so blizzard could be aware of the tournaments being run. We're vastly speculating on a lot of stuff with rage/hate filled eyes, so can we calm down a bit and see what is happening before we jump all over Blizzard when they're obviously trying to rectify this. While we dont know what the cost of these licenses, we have good reason to believe its a fairly sizeable sum. :/ | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On November 15 2012 04:22 TrippSC2 wrote: So, you continue to prove my point. First, different standards for BW and SC2 is irrelevant to the topic this thread is supposed to be about, which is SSL being shut down by Blizzard. SSL has a larger prize pool than is allowed for either BW or SC2, so it's not a relevant topic in this case. Seeing as how no action had been taken at all until the finals, which as I stated above has too large a prize pool for either game, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that either $500 was a typo and should have been $5000 or that $5000 is the new standard that was set and hasn't been updated in the information provided? Essentially there is no proof that there is more restriction being placed on BW than SC2 in terms of prize money. On the lawsuit topic, I'm ignorant of the Korean legal system and the source of the information stated that it was roughly translated and is not an official source but instead hearsay, but it seems possible to me that the "lawsuit" he was referring to might be similar to an injunction in the US legal system that would prevent the streaming service from broadcasting the event, which is the really the only control Blizzard can exert over BW, since it has LAN support. It seems reasonable to me that Blizzard Korea wasn't trying to stop BW streaming entirely, but just trying to stop this event from broadcasting while in violation. I'm going to wait and see what happens. Blizzard haven't given me much of a reason to believe in them, but they haven't quite given me enough reason to condemn them yet, either (Because of Morhaime's tweet) There are things Blizzard could do that would wash them free, but I don't think they're going to do them. If they do, I'll be proven wrong. You seem to be defending Blizzard way too much, for no logical reason. The posts above me already have good points, and I'm not going to repeat their arguments. | ||
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Al Bundy
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
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