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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 16 2012 20:14 GMT
#61
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 16 2012 20:16 GMT
#62
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 16 2012 20:21 GMT
#63
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.


What ?? and from where you got this info.. ?
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 16 2012 20:23 GMT
#64
On July 17 2012 05:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:52 Chef wrote:
In terms of bonjwa's Terran have the most representation, but thinking about the 4 kings of each era, Protoss are pretty damn well represented too. Just thinking about that year of the dragons makes me mad at anyone who whines about Protoss lol...

A single terran bonjwa from any era wins more titles than all the protoss kings of that same era.
Terran is well-known as the easy path to bonjwahood.

protoss is the most epic race however, with Mantoss going Hero mode, The 3-3-7 Revolution and the 6 Dragons Era..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:45:12
July 16 2012 21:35 GMT
#65
It's disrepectful to pro BW to drag it along like that. Let it end in glory at an OSL finals. The last BW match should be for more than a chance to take the SC2 series to an ACE.

The hybrid league isn't making BW fans happy. All it's doing is guaranteeing that the next proleague is going to be a disaster, because the SPL players still won't have caught up to the SPL players (and KeSPA's being stupid with the maps).

If people wanted to watch Proleague just because they liked SKT1 or Flash or whatever, the hybrid league wouldn't've been a failure. All they're doing is extending the amount of time for which it'll be the fourth best SC2 team league.

On July 17 2012 04:02 ninini wrote:
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On July 16 2012 23:21 stillborn wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote:
I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left.

I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2

i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad.

It's not because they feel the players are too bad. It's because the fans will not show up if they do a full transition.


Fans aren't showing up NOW. A lot of BW fans have written PL off and are pretending the OSL is the last Brood War, and SC2 fans lost interest in SPL two weeks in.

It'll be really interesting to compare the crowd for the GSL finals next week (I think) to the crowd for the SPL finals.

On July 17 2012 05:05 Fionn wrote:
KESPA is kinda in a tough place right now. They own the BW market 100% and their fans will come see those games, but there is no new sponsor interest and a bleak future to stay afloat. For the SC2 market, there are loads of sponsors and international opportunities, but the GSL, if you like it or not, is the face of Korean SC2. Even with OSL now having SC2 games, the attendance between GSL and the Hybrid Proleague/ODT is heavily in GSL's favor with the GOM Studio almost always packed for Code S/GSTL games now.


I haven't seen the ODT yet. Was it really empty?

I imagine the OSL games between GSL players and KeSPA players will have a big crowd; there's an obvious and cool storyline there. Past that, who knows.

The GSL, in addition to having the best players, is also way more responsive to community desires than KeSPA is. KeSPA can't keep acting like they're the only game in town.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 16 2012 21:43 GMT
#66
BW fans don't want to watch players playing 20% BW 80% SC2, and SC2 fans don't want to watch Koreans who can't compete with the current Code S/Code A set.

Terrible choice, almost no one will watch.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 16 2012 21:45 GMT
#67
Yeh, unfortunately they've put themselves in a kinda bad spot. =/
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 16 2012 21:50 GMT
#68
damn it, wish they would just let BW die with OSL finals
can i get my estro logo back pls
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1717 Posts
July 16 2012 21:54 GMT
#69
KeSpa- pick a game. This is sticking with a terrible decision. I feel dreadful for the players, and cheated as a fan.
EleGant[AoV]
Khalum
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria831 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:56:05
July 16 2012 21:55 GMT
#70
The hybrid league was a bad idea from the start. Quite honestly it's a lose/lose situation and I honestly don't expect the next KESPA team league to consist of 8 teams anymore.

[edit] I feel like I'm being too honest right now. Honestly.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
July 16 2012 21:56 GMT
#71
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.
Monsyphon
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada190 Posts
July 16 2012 22:00 GMT
#72
I don't follow the scene too much and I was hoping to ask some questions
Is the OSL Finals not gonna happen/be a BO7 or something like that? How will the winners from the OSL RO4 face off?
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 22:08:21
July 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#73
The OSL finals are a Bo5.

On topic: The split Proleague is awful, and I don't watch it. They should have just let the OSL be the final match, and let everyone get focusing on their new game.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5847 Posts
July 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#74
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 16 2012 22:12 GMT
#75
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 16 2012 22:46 GMT
#76
Lol the delusions get funnier with every thread.
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 22:53:26
July 16 2012 22:48 GMT
#77
On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.


Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL)....
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
July 16 2012 23:07 GMT
#78
Yeaaa!! at least few more games
They should add a minileague with smaller prizepool for old b-teamers/practise partners... and to any progamer that doesn't want to switch.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
July 16 2012 23:55 GMT
#79
So.... Brood War is still gonna be played?
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 17 2012 00:01 GMT
#80
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.


umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely.
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