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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 15:52:17
July 16 2012 13:45 GMT
#1
After much heated discussion, Kespa has announced today that until this season of SPL ends BW will still be a part of SPL, Kespa thinks that a switch to full SC2 will face many difficulties.

Sources!
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_30&seq=953&where=||&query=&where_term=&PageNo=1
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=63397
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
July 16 2012 13:50 GMT
#2
Source please oh mighty cailhead ^_^
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
July 16 2012 13:51 GMT
#3
I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 16 2012 13:53 GMT
#4
Difficulties more difficult than they are facing with the hybrid league? Maybe that are just scared that if OSL ends off with a bang people will want more of it, so they want it to pitter out with pathetic proleague games *conspiracy bisu*

Well, sorry, but I'll continue to not watch it. OSL is the last professional BW for me, their tactics won't phase me!
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GeckoVOD
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Germany814 Posts
July 16 2012 13:54 GMT
#5
Yep, OSL and then no more Korean professional BW :/
Stupid decision.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 16 2012 13:56 GMT
#6
kespa just makes one stupid decision after another and then they justify it with the impossibly vague "we will face many difficulties"

jesus christ
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TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
July 16 2012 14:00 GMT
#7
Well I was going to try to follow the all SC2 Proleague starting in round three. Idk if I'll watch anything from Kespa after the OSL Finals. Thats gonna be a special series. The level of BW play is gonna bottom out. Players will go cheese or do timing builds everg game while they amp up for the SC2 OSL and next year.
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sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
July 16 2012 14:01 GMT
#8
So much for ending BW with a BANG. Now it will end with someone winning over proxy rax/gate vs 4 pool -.-
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TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1977 Posts
July 16 2012 14:07 GMT
#9
this format is a failure... atleast the last osl match was good to watch
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MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
July 16 2012 14:16 GMT
#10
I would've preferred it go sc2 full time, with the final BW OSL wrapping up so soon it means the last taste of KeSPA broodwar is going to be a shitty bo3 (or 5 or however they are going to do it in the finals) before a sc2 bo3 and ace match. The OSL final seems like the only worthy send off to me, and now that won't happen.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 14:24:19
July 16 2012 14:19 GMT
#11
Makes sense, because otherwise teams would have abused the alternating BW/SC2 player pick strategy in the second round, knowing that from the next round they will not have to follow this rule. Better finish the league by its initial rules.

edit: Also remember that the BW/SC2 alternation increases the presence of known good BW players like Bisu and Stork, who otherwise might struggle to even see many games in SC2-only, considering their transition is still far from their BW status.
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stillborn
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany119 Posts
July 16 2012 14:21 GMT
#12
On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote:
I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left.

I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2

i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad.
stevewch
Profile Joined February 2006
Hong Kong216 Posts
July 16 2012 14:22 GMT
#13
or they are just moved by the crowd's reaction in jangbi vs zero semifinal?
kespa is afraid of having the legendary BW close down immediately will result in a great opposition..
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 16 2012 14:26 GMT
#14
I like this to be fair. It's better for the league, and allows for no stupid table flip when it comes to results. A little worse for the players, and people will always QQ anyway, so screw it.
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
July 16 2012 14:30 GMT
#15
Its fair no matter what but this is worse for the players so i would have much rather no bw
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 14:36 GMT
#16
It's really difficult to say at this stage if this is a good decision or not, how the emotions will play out for fans and players alike. I would have preferred them just going to SC2 so that the OSL finals is the last BW games.
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Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 14:47:28
July 16 2012 14:46 GMT
#17
Better for both games in that you can get some crossover of fans watching both and may be intrigued to watch the "other" game (whether its BW or SC2).

Very bad for the players tough, this is afterall their job, especially since they still have to watch GSL pros rake in the money at tournaments both GSL and foreign while they are hamstrung by playing 2 different games.

I rather watch great BW or no BW, not half assed, we kinda prepared for it BW. And i bet the same goes for SC2 viewers, they dont want to watch half assed, half prepared SC2 either.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 16 2012 14:55 GMT
#18
I'm fine with this, I guess. Proleague BW games can still be good like bisu's most recent game was.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 15:02:24
July 16 2012 15:02 GMT
#19
I just wish Kespa could make up their minds about this ffs >_<.
Could someone please clarify for me what the hell this mean for Proleague and such?
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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
July 16 2012 15:07 GMT
#20
It's a pretty disappointing situation no matter what they choose.

Personally, I think the hybrid format loses them a lot more viewers than it gains.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 16 2012 15:10 GMT
#21
Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 15:15 GMT
#22
On July 17 2012 00:02 Integra wrote:
I just wish Kespa could make up their minds about this ffs >_<.
Could someone please clarify for me what the hell this mean for Proleague and such?


It means its going to be the same format
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 15:15 GMT
#23
On July 17 2012 00:10 OpticalShot wrote:
Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills.


I'm from china so "buys chicken" sounds like buying an escort service, lol.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 16 2012 15:17 GMT
#24
On July 17 2012 00:15 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 00:10 OpticalShot wrote:
Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills.


I'm from china so "buys chicken" sounds like buying an escort service, lol.

Had no idea XD
Although... that would make a nice little fanfic...
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
July 16 2012 15:17 GMT
#25
Ill be honest for the good of the players I had hoped that they would just let BW die and let the OSL finals be the last games of BW played so it would go out with a bang.

OT

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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
July 16 2012 15:18 GMT
#26
On July 17 2012 00:10 OpticalShot wrote:
Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills.


Well, for a few select players and teams (anyone left in the OSL and their practice partners), I would imagine they're focusing on Brood War more than ever.

The other teams are probably like 90% SC2, 10% BW. It seems like most of them are just coasting on their years of practice to get them through this horrid season.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 16 2012 15:29 GMT
#27
They should never have done the hybrid thing to beging with (poor players), but I'm glad they're sticking to it. Especially because this means I get to watch some Proleague BW live. :D
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
July 16 2012 15:30 GMT
#28
You need to provide sources for this please.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 16 2012 15:52 GMT
#29
Sources!
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_30&seq=953&where=||&query=&where_term=&PageNo=1
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=63397
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TsGBruzze
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Sweden1190 Posts
July 16 2012 15:59 GMT
#30
Hmm i think this is good but i would like better ending for BW...
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50394 Posts
July 16 2012 16:22 GMT
#31
Fuck,so fucking stupid...once again i have to feel bad about BW going out in a whimper.
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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 16 2012 16:25 GMT
#32
dafaq is KESPA doing... i dont get it really..
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9027 Posts
July 16 2012 16:31 GMT
#33
When can I see KeSPA players fully practice SC2...
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
July 16 2012 16:36 GMT
#34
On July 17 2012 01:31 Garnet wrote:
When can I see KeSPA players fully practice SC2...

This please. As much as I like broodwar, This isnt the right way of ending it. Better off with a big bang (Only BW Grandfinals that are coming up) then some semi bullshit like this Also I cant wait to see how good they can acutally get in sc2.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
July 16 2012 16:45 GMT
#35
I feel bad for the players involved who just wants to be able to focus on a longsighted future

An understandable but sitll poor decision imo
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 17:16:08
July 16 2012 16:52 GMT
#36
On July 16 2012 23:55 Dodgin wrote:
I'm fine with this, I guess. Proleague BW games can still be good like bisu's most recent game was.

Yeah, but Bisu's game was more sloppy than good.. He coulda won that a lot more crisply.

Oh well glad we still have some games left
(they should change it to full bw just for this season and send it off in a bang! WHOS WITH ME????!?!?!!!!!!)
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
July 16 2012 16:52 GMT
#37
End this shit already. Let BW go out with OSL and let the guys just fully transfer over to sc2. sc2 is the future for these guys and the faster they get to fully commit to the game and not having to worry about BW the better it is for their future.

Some of you may think it's great to have BW in Proleague because it's sad that BW is coming to an end so you take all the BW you can get, but I just think it's sad that BW will end with a shit standard of games in Proleague where SC2 has the bigger impact of the outcome anyway. If the ace was BW then yeah, maybe it would have been different but as of right now when the future is sc2 and the ace is sc2 it's just painful to watch.
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 16 2012 16:57 GMT
#38
Still waiting for Kespa to make the most retarded situation of all---keeping bw here but like not having it in the playoffs or something (defeating the purpose of having the mixed format). Looks like they are doing the "sticking with promises" approach.

Still wonder how the fuck playoffs are going to work with this format. If they decide that you can choose freely then the bw games may be good as people will dedicate solely to one for a brief time. Otherwise shit like the semifinals will be a battle of "let's gear it to the best possible finals lineup" instead of "who is a better team". Plus the first place team would have such a huge fucking advantage in preparation.

I'd shoot someone's cat if bw in the grand finals is only 2 sets.
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 17:13:18
July 16 2012 17:12 GMT
#39
On July 17 2012 00:15 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 00:02 Integra wrote:
I just wish Kespa could make up their minds about this ffs >_<.
Could someone please clarify for me what the hell this mean for Proleague and such?


It means its going to be the same format

For Kespa to keep BW for this season only would had been a excellent choice.
If they fully switched to SC2 and had some ending cermony for SC:BW would had been nice as well.
To keep this hybrid is terrible though and will produce nothing but horrible gameplay. =(
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 16 2012 17:15 GMT
#40
do they say what kind of difficulties they're afraid to face or is that just a poor imaginary excuse for making another dumb decision?
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
July 16 2012 17:21 GMT
#41
Oh god replacing BW with a much inferior game was already one of the most stupid decisions ever, but now instead of giving BW a deserved OSL finals end, the BW out with a BANG!, they will end a whole era with some possibly shitty match that doesn't even really count in the end.

Fuck this shit.
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MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
July 16 2012 17:38 GMT
#42
I find this really dumb lol. They should think of the players and viewers instead of what they think will get them the best numbers.
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Potling
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway298 Posts
July 16 2012 17:44 GMT
#43
On July 17 2012 02:38 MeteorRise wrote:
I find this really dumb lol. They should think of the players and viewers instead of what they think will get them the best numbers.

That's not the way corporations work. CEOs are required to maximize profits.

On July 16 2012 22:53 Chef wrote:
Difficulties more difficult than they are facing with the hybrid league? Maybe that are just scared that if OSL ends off with a bang people will want more of it, so they want it to pitter out with pathetic proleague games *conspiracy bisu*

Well, sorry, but I'll continue to not watch it. OSL is the last professional BW for me, their tactics won't phase me!

Heh, fully agreed. I've lost interest in the Proleague, to the point that I'd rather watch random Hiya replays than the live PL streams.
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
July 16 2012 17:45 GMT
#44
Kespa is a master planer dont worry!

This is acttully really discusting.
Kespa always treated their players like shit and they still do it.
This is their fucking job, their not your suns Kespa.

This is also a fucking retarded decision.
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nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
July 16 2012 17:45 GMT
#45
Hm, when the question arose I was ambivalent, but now that they've reached their decision, I'm glad. For me, SC2 has no entertainment value, so it really comes down to anything being better than nothing. Sure, OSL would be a more climactic finals, but these are still progamers and they still have accumulated skills from 5+ years. It will always be a treat to watch them, rough around the edges or not.
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
July 16 2012 17:45 GMT
#46
I actually like this leagues format. Not saying the past format was worse, but this one isn't bad. I'll continue to watch it.
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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
July 16 2012 17:46 GMT
#47
Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW.
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
July 16 2012 18:01 GMT
#48
On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote:
Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW.


Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p !
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 16 2012 18:29 GMT
#49
If it wasn't for the fact that I'm going to Korea and would very much like to see as much BW live as possible I'd totally agree with you guys. An epic OSL final Bo5, ideally with Flash and Jangbi, with Flash barely snatching a win in a 5 set series, would definitely have been the best send off BW could've possibly gotten. Instead we're gonna get a PL final with max 3 games.
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Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
July 16 2012 18:57 GMT
#50
BW ending in a PL game seems anti-climactic to be honest. It'd be much more sick if everything ended with the OSL.

It just seems more like a "I want it all" maneuver by KeSPA, desperately trying to retain the BW-fan base through prolonging the format. It's even more bad this way because by doing such, they'd probably lose more viewers as the quality of both games will suffer with the same problem of practicing for two games still present. Stick to SC2 or BW, trying to stick to both at once is going to make KeSPA lose both.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
July 16 2012 19:02 GMT
#51
On July 16 2012 23:21 stillborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote:
I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left.

I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2

i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad.

It's not because they feel the players are too bad. It's because the fans will not show up if they do a full transition.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 16 2012 19:04 GMT
#52
There was really no 'good' decision left to make. esports is fucked.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 16 2012 19:16 GMT
#53
Hopefully, it's because they're having second thoughts about a full transition.
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uziasz
Profile Joined August 2009
Poland70 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 19:22:52
July 16 2012 19:19 GMT
#54
For me that news is like a nightmare for meh >.>

I would preffer let them to die broodwar in peace than to make another season of torment for bw. If and prolly it will happen OSL become sc2 then its just sad to watch how bw need to share it greatness with sc2. Im trully fan of bw and i dont like this decision mostly because the level of the bw games dropped much since progamers need to practise both game in same time and thats not what i wish to watch.

I miss old times when i woke up at 4 am in my country just to watch bw games live... now i hardly watch them at all because of that mix. Jd is no longer jd, flash is no longer flash... they are no longer same players.

Why they cant make 2 different leagues for bw and sc2? People and players could choose what game to play/watch. Yeh, yeh i know... its all about $$. :/


On July 17 2012 03:01 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote:
Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW.


Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p !


Its not that they didnt won anything.. but zerg and especially terran players archieved much more. There were 4? bonjwas if i remember good... 1 zerg 3 terrans (+ jd was very close to be 2nd zerg bonjwa i believe) while protosses even with bisu at his best times wasnt that close to be bonjwa.
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GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
July 16 2012 19:46 GMT
#55
On July 17 2012 04:19 uziasz wrote:
For me that news is like a nightmare for meh >.>

I would preffer let them to die broodwar in peace than to make another season of torment for bw. If and prolly it will happen OSL become sc2 then its just sad to watch how bw need to share it greatness with sc2. Im trully fan of bw and i dont like this decision mostly because the level of the bw games dropped much since progamers need to practise both game in same time and thats not what i wish to watch.

I miss old times when i woke up at 4 am in my country just to watch bw games live... now i hardly watch them at all because of that mix. Jd is no longer jd, flash is no longer flash... they are no longer same players.

Why they cant make 2 different leagues for bw and sc2? People and players could choose what game to play/watch. Yeh, yeh i know... its all about $$. :/


Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 03:01 sM.Zik wrote:
On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote:
Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW.


Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p !


Its not that they didnt won anything.. but zerg and especially terran players archieved much more. There were 4? bonjwas if i remember good... 1 zerg 3 terrans (+ jd was very close to be 2nd zerg bonjwa i believe) while protosses even with bisu at his best times wasnt that close to be bonjwa.


Actually 4 Terrans and 1 Zerg.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior, Flash.

And please Kespa let BW die in peace T_T. Kespa hurting Esports.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 16 2012 19:52 GMT
#56
In terms of bonjwa's Terran have the most representation, but thinking about the 4 kings of each era, Protoss are pretty damn well represented too. Just thinking about that year of the dragons makes me mad at anyone who whines about Protoss lol...
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BgSBendeR
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada170 Posts
July 16 2012 19:54 GMT
#57
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.
For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 16 2012 20:05 GMT
#58
KESPA is kinda in a tough place right now. They own the BW market 100% and their fans will come see those games, but there is no new sponsor interest and a bleak future to stay afloat. For the SC2 market, there are loads of sponsors and international opportunities, but the GSL, if you like it or not, is the face of Korean SC2. Even with OSL now having SC2 games, the attendance between GSL and the Hybrid Proleague/ODT is heavily in GSL's favor with the GOM Studio almost always packed for Code S/GSTL games now.
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
July 16 2012 20:06 GMT
#59
Well...so much for a death of a BW...HAHAHAHAHAHA!

(no, I'm not happy at all)
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 16 2012 20:09 GMT
#60
On July 17 2012 04:52 Chef wrote:
In terms of bonjwa's Terran have the most representation, but thinking about the 4 kings of each era, Protoss are pretty damn well represented too. Just thinking about that year of the dragons makes me mad at anyone who whines about Protoss lol...

A single terran bonjwa from any era wins more titles than all the protoss kings of that same era.
Terran is well-known as the easy path to bonjwahood.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 16 2012 20:14 GMT
#61
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 16 2012 20:16 GMT
#62
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.
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pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
July 16 2012 20:21 GMT
#63
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.


What ?? and from where you got this info.. ?
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
July 16 2012 20:23 GMT
#64
On July 17 2012 05:09 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:52 Chef wrote:
In terms of bonjwa's Terran have the most representation, but thinking about the 4 kings of each era, Protoss are pretty damn well represented too. Just thinking about that year of the dragons makes me mad at anyone who whines about Protoss lol...

A single terran bonjwa from any era wins more titles than all the protoss kings of that same era.
Terran is well-known as the easy path to bonjwahood.

protoss is the most epic race however, with Mantoss going Hero mode, The 3-3-7 Revolution and the 6 Dragons Era..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:45:12
July 16 2012 21:35 GMT
#65
It's disrepectful to pro BW to drag it along like that. Let it end in glory at an OSL finals. The last BW match should be for more than a chance to take the SC2 series to an ACE.

The hybrid league isn't making BW fans happy. All it's doing is guaranteeing that the next proleague is going to be a disaster, because the SPL players still won't have caught up to the SPL players (and KeSPA's being stupid with the maps).

If people wanted to watch Proleague just because they liked SKT1 or Flash or whatever, the hybrid league wouldn't've been a failure. All they're doing is extending the amount of time for which it'll be the fourth best SC2 team league.

On July 17 2012 04:02 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 23:21 stillborn wrote:
On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote:
I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left.

I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2

i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad.

It's not because they feel the players are too bad. It's because the fans will not show up if they do a full transition.


Fans aren't showing up NOW. A lot of BW fans have written PL off and are pretending the OSL is the last Brood War, and SC2 fans lost interest in SPL two weeks in.

It'll be really interesting to compare the crowd for the GSL finals next week (I think) to the crowd for the SPL finals.

On July 17 2012 05:05 Fionn wrote:
KESPA is kinda in a tough place right now. They own the BW market 100% and their fans will come see those games, but there is no new sponsor interest and a bleak future to stay afloat. For the SC2 market, there are loads of sponsors and international opportunities, but the GSL, if you like it or not, is the face of Korean SC2. Even with OSL now having SC2 games, the attendance between GSL and the Hybrid Proleague/ODT is heavily in GSL's favor with the GOM Studio almost always packed for Code S/GSTL games now.


I haven't seen the ODT yet. Was it really empty?

I imagine the OSL games between GSL players and KeSPA players will have a big crowd; there's an obvious and cool storyline there. Past that, who knows.

The GSL, in addition to having the best players, is also way more responsive to community desires than KeSPA is. KeSPA can't keep acting like they're the only game in town.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 16 2012 21:43 GMT
#66
BW fans don't want to watch players playing 20% BW 80% SC2, and SC2 fans don't want to watch Koreans who can't compete with the current Code S/Code A set.

Terrible choice, almost no one will watch.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 16 2012 21:45 GMT
#67
Yeh, unfortunately they've put themselves in a kinda bad spot. =/
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aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 16 2012 21:50 GMT
#68
damn it, wish they would just let BW die with OSL finals
can i get my estro logo back pls
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
July 16 2012 21:54 GMT
#69
KeSpa- pick a game. This is sticking with a terrible decision. I feel dreadful for the players, and cheated as a fan.
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Khalum
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria831 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 21:56:05
July 16 2012 21:55 GMT
#70
The hybrid league was a bad idea from the start. Quite honestly it's a lose/lose situation and I honestly don't expect the next KESPA team league to consist of 8 teams anymore.

[edit] I feel like I'm being too honest right now. Honestly.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
July 16 2012 21:56 GMT
#71
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.
Monsyphon
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada190 Posts
July 16 2012 22:00 GMT
#72
I don't follow the scene too much and I was hoping to ask some questions
Is the OSL Finals not gonna happen/be a BO7 or something like that? How will the winners from the OSL RO4 face off?
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 22:08:21
July 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#73
The OSL finals are a Bo5.

On topic: The split Proleague is awful, and I don't watch it. They should have just let the OSL be the final match, and let everyone get focusing on their new game.
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5629 Posts
July 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#74
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 16 2012 22:12 GMT
#75
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
July 16 2012 22:46 GMT
#76
Lol the delusions get funnier with every thread.
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Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 22:53:26
July 16 2012 22:48 GMT
#77
On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.


Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL)....
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
July 16 2012 23:07 GMT
#78
Yeaaa!! at least few more games
They should add a minileague with smaller prizepool for old b-teamers/practise partners... and to any progamer that doesn't want to switch.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
July 16 2012 23:55 GMT
#79
So.... Brood War is still gonna be played?
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 17 2012 00:01 GMT
#80
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.


umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely.
The Notorious Winkles
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 00:14:07
July 17 2012 00:12 GMT
#81
On July 17 2012 07:48 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.


Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL)....


They should have aligned Proleague either with the end of the last BW OSL or with the release of HotS, or both. They could have had a final Proleague in full BW, and have the hiatus between the end of that Proleague and the release of HotS for KeSPA players to practice SC2. When HotS hits, all SC2 metagame will be reset anyways, which is basically where KeSPA players are falling behind, giving them an even ground to GSL players and a good timing for them to start competing in SC2.

This was all basically very badly planned between KeSPA, GOM and Blizzard, which oddly enough was that supposed cooperation that made the KeSPA transition to SC2 possible.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
July 17 2012 00:17 GMT
#82
On July 17 2012 07:48 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.


Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL)....


Er I will say that MC/MVP have beaten other known code S players on ladder with their off races to. It's just ladder and him beating soulkey in a zvz isn't surprising.
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Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
July 17 2012 00:22 GMT
#83
This is dumb. I am glad there is still going to be some broodwar to watch, but it's not good BW. I feel that they need to pick one or the other, the integrity of the tournament is suffering from it.
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 17 2012 00:25 GMT
#84
On July 17 2012 09:01 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.


umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely.


Too bad you didn't hear from their initial perception of the game. If they were to switch from the get go, things will definitely not go as smooth.
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greenDron
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)94 Posts
July 17 2012 00:30 GMT
#85
Guys, relax!

I've spent the last several years of my life doing just broodwar, and I think it still will always have meaning. God bless Flash, jaedong, bisu, fantasy and stork on their missions from God for the future!
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
July 17 2012 00:32 GMT
#86
On July 17 2012 09:25 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 09:01 rysecake wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote:
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote:
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote:
they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that.


Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty.


Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2.


umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely.


Too bad you didn't hear from their initial perception of the game. If they were to switch from the get go, things will definitely not go as smooth.


I did not. Do tell please
The Notorious Winkles
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
July 17 2012 03:10 GMT
#87
[image loading]


User was warned for this post
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 03:19:36
July 17 2012 03:19 GMT
#88
On July 17 2012 12:10 ne4aJIb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



dah.... reference?
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tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
July 17 2012 03:36 GMT
#89
I don't know why people are complaining about the quality of the games. The BW players seem to be performing fine in SC2 considering they haven't been playing it for very long. They are certainly playing it at a much higher level than those criticizing them despite their lack of experience. And the BW matches are still a much higher level than any other leagues out there, so I don't see why people are complaining about the skill level in the Brood War sets. The strategies are still very strong, the only thing that's lacking is micro management (Which is understandable when playing two different games) and some of the choices of strategies (ex: 1 basing PvZ or a heavy Hydralisk break) make the games somewhat dull.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 17 2012 03:46 GMT
#90
On July 17 2012 12:36 tryummm wrote:
I don't know why people are complaining about the quality of the games. The BW players seem to be performing fine in SC2 considering they haven't been playing it for very long. They are certainly playing it at a much higher level than those criticizing them despite their lack of experience. And the BW matches are still a much higher level than any other leagues out there, so I don't see why people are complaining about the skill level in the Brood War sets. The strategies are still very strong, the only thing that's lacking is micro management (Which is understandable when playing two different games) and some of the choices of strategies (ex: 1 basing PvZ or a heavy Hydralisk break) make the games somewhat dull.



People are comparing current BW to BW two years ago, and that's the cause of the irritation.

SPL players have an excuse for not being good at SC2 (new, have to split their time), but that doesn't mean SPL SC2 is super entertaining to watch, even for SC2 fans.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
July 17 2012 04:44 GMT
#91
On July 17 2012 12:19 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 12:10 ne4aJIb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]



dah.... reference?


it is meme...
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uziasz
Profile Joined August 2009
Poland70 Posts
July 17 2012 05:50 GMT
#92
On July 17 2012 04:46 GinDo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 04:19 uziasz wrote:
For me that news is like a nightmare for meh >.>

I would preffer let them to die broodwar in peace than to make another season of torment for bw. If and prolly it will happen OSL become sc2 then its just sad to watch how bw need to share it greatness with sc2. Im trully fan of bw and i dont like this decision mostly because the level of the bw games dropped much since progamers need to practise both game in same time and thats not what i wish to watch.

I miss old times when i woke up at 4 am in my country just to watch bw games live... now i hardly watch them at all because of that mix. Jd is no longer jd, flash is no longer flash... they are no longer same players.

Why they cant make 2 different leagues for bw and sc2? People and players could choose what game to play/watch. Yeh, yeh i know... its all about $$. :/


On July 17 2012 03:01 sM.Zik wrote:
On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote:
Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW.


Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p !


Its not that they didnt won anything.. but zerg and especially terran players archieved much more. There were 4? bonjwas if i remember good... 1 zerg 3 terrans (+ jd was very close to be 2nd zerg bonjwa i believe) while protosses even with bisu at his best times wasnt that close to be bonjwa.


Actually 4 Terrans and 1 Zerg.

Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior, Flash.

And please Kespa let BW die in peace T_T. Kespa hurting Esports.


Duh ur right forgot about nada. :D

On July 17 2012 12:36 tryummm wrote:
I don't know why people are complaining about the quality of the games. The BW players seem to be performing fine in SC2 considering they haven't been playing it for very long. They are certainly playing it at a much higher level than those criticizing them despite their lack of experience. And the BW matches are still a much higher level than any other leagues out there, so I don't see why people are complaining about the skill level in the Brood War sets. The strategies are still very strong, the only thing that's lacking is micro management (Which is understandable when playing two different games) and some of the choices of strategies (ex: 1 basing PvZ or a heavy Hydralisk break) make the games somewhat dull.


Well maybe its just me but i see big difference between games today and games 1-2 years ago. I agree that BW matches are still much higher lvl than any other leagues but IMO they are not what they used to be. They are higher than other leagues but not that high how they were before.
Jaedong fan since 2007 also Navi fan
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
July 17 2012 06:05 GMT
#93
You know at this point, i would've just preferred an SC2 swap :/

I love BW just as much as the next guy on this section but at this point it's like some whiny ass guy trying to hold onto his highschool sweetheart after breaking up with her 6 times over the past 12 years
dats racist
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 06:08:26
July 17 2012 06:07 GMT
#94
I don't like this at all. Not that i want BW completely gone, but this is more troublesome for the players and we've heard that many times already from the players.

On July 17 2012 15:05 MrHoon wrote:
You know at this point, i would've just preferred an SC2 swap :/

I love BW just as much as the next guy on this section but at this point it's like some whiny ass guy trying to hold onto his highschool sweetheart after breaking up with her 6 times over the past 12 years


Heh, well said.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
July 17 2012 06:17 GMT
#95
Probablyfor more money since Koreans welcome BW>SC2
radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
July 17 2012 06:19 GMT
#96
OSL back to BW asap!
Flash returns...
Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 17 2012 06:21 GMT
#97
AS USUAL, mixed feelings about this...
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
July 17 2012 07:16 GMT
#98
I'd like to see the players go on strike and force KESPA's to start doing more BW.
googolplex
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States280 Posts
July 17 2012 07:18 GMT
#99
To be honest, I wont mind if they went back to full BW in both SPL and OSL.
SC2 has so much "for the money" vibe to it.
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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
July 17 2012 07:28 GMT
#100
Dissapointed, i want BW dinosaurs to kick ass in SC2 Asap. Time is working against them :[
Stork[gm]
thebike
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States157 Posts
July 17 2012 07:44 GMT
#101
I agree that a full switch is preferable. Postponing this just means that the BW players will take longer to catch up with the current SC2 pros in skill. I would have preferred another season of BW-only PL, but if we're going to switch to SC2, we might as well make the transition as quick and painless as possible.
the bike AKA the REGULAR TRAIN
plaszczka
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland376 Posts
July 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#102
KeSPA is still very unprofessional association
But - this decision is very welcome
I apologize for all my english mistakes. I used to write really good senteces in this lenguage, but nowadays, i smoke too much weed and drink too much vodka. So you must forgive me :)
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5629 Posts
July 17 2012 09:30 GMT
#103
On July 17 2012 07:48 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote:
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote:
I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership.


Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor.

I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea.

Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV.


There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV.


Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL)....


I don't seen how that's such a big deal (talking about MVP beating SoulKey). One of the best SC2 players beats someone when off-racing. Flash was able to beat progamers (even as high as top30 KeSPA rank I think?) with his Protoss. Dunno about other progamers.
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
July 17 2012 09:35 GMT
#104
tbh until the Kespa guys are better at SC2, keeping BW in the format makes for a better finals (both in viewer count and actual games)
flashimba
Profile Joined May 2011
225 Posts
July 17 2012 09:50 GMT
#105
finals should be BW only as a send off for BW
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
July 17 2012 10:12 GMT
#106
Hmm, interesting... wasn't expecting this from the news I'd heard up until now. While a few more bw games is nice I think ending the current Korean pro-gaming phase with the OSL finals would be better.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
July 17 2012 11:33 GMT
#107
I just hope they do something HUGE for the last BW tournament. Like a MONSTUOUS tournament with all of the good players that made it a true E-sport.

Even if they not play as good as they used to i really would like to see BW going out with a tournament with all the bonjwa (yes i said ALL ! fuck you i love Savior). Even just see Boxer playing one more time and bunker rush yellow 22times in a row. See JulyZerg win in a 1minute game without knowing that he had been proxy gateway but his opponents trapped his zealots between the gateway...

I wanna see nuke rushes, dropships micro, barracks landing behind the mineral line making the marines impossible to kill. Vultures run bys and mutas micro.

If Brood War has to go, it has to go with style, and a lot of the greatest figures of all time.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 17 2012 13:21 GMT
#108
This is so ridiculously bad for players...
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1689 Posts
July 17 2012 13:43 GMT
#109
On July 17 2012 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote:
I just hope they do something HUGE for the last BW tournament. Like a MONSTUOUS tournament with all of the good players that made it a true E-sport.

Even if they not play as good as they used to i really would like to see BW going out with a tournament with all the bonjwa (yes i said ALL ! fuck you i love Savior). Even just see Boxer playing one more time and bunker rush yellow 22times in a row. See JulyZerg win in a 1minute game without knowing that he had been proxy gateway but his opponents trapped his zealots between the gateway...

I wanna see nuke rushes, dropships micro, barracks landing behind the mineral line making the marines impossible to kill. Vultures run bys and mutas micro.

If Brood War has to go, it has to go with style, and a lot of the greatest figures of all time.

It's not going. One bit of it is. Stop saying this. Thanks.
EleGant[AoV]
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
July 17 2012 14:39 GMT
#110
They could make the games have more quality if they stopped this whole switching between games requirement.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
July 17 2012 14:48 GMT
#111
The fruit of selfish fans putting this strain on the players for another couple of months... Move on, doing good to nobody
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
July 17 2012 15:01 GMT
#112
I can't believe that they are sticking with that format. Is KeSPA that dumb ? Either stick with BW or switch to SC2 completely. Make a fckin decision !!!
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2215 Posts
July 17 2012 17:03 GMT
#113
Full switch back to BW would be preferable, but some professional BW is better than none.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#114
On July 17 2012 23:48 GIhi wrote:
The fruit of selfish fans putting this strain on the players for another couple of months... Move on, doing good to nobody


are you seriously blaming fans for this?
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 22:08:53
July 17 2012 22:08 GMT
#115
Edit: I can't read.
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