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http://www.e-sports.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_30&seq=953&where=||&query=&where_term=&PageNo=1
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=63397
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
Sources! http://www.e-sports.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_30&seq=953&where=||&query=&where_term=&PageNo=1 http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=63397 Sorry Kennigit I will be a good boy now. | ||
Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
Well, sorry, but I'll continue to not watch it. OSL is the last professional BW for me, their tactics won't phase me! | ||
GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
Stupid decision. | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
jesus christ | ||
TheShimmy
United States1808 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1977 Posts
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MegaFonzie
Australia1084 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
edit: Also remember that the BW/SC2 alternation increases the presence of known good BW players like Bisu and Stork, who otherwise might struggle to even see many games in SC2-only, considering their transition is still far from their BW status. | ||
stillborn
Germany119 Posts
On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote: I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left. I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2 i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad. | ||
stevewch
Hong Kong216 Posts
kespa is afraid of having the legendary BW close down immediately will result in a great opposition.. | ||
Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Very bad for the players tough, this is afterall their job, especially since they still have to watch GSL pros rake in the money at tournaments both GSL and foreign while they are hamstrung by playing 2 different games. I rather watch great BW or no BW, not half assed, we kinda prepared for it BW. And i bet the same goes for SC2 viewers, they dont want to watch half assed, half prepared SC2 either. | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
Could someone please clarify for me what the hell this mean for Proleague and such? | ||
sevia
United States954 Posts
Personally, I think the hybrid format loses them a lot more viewers than it gains. | ||
OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 17 2012 00:02 Integra wrote: I just wish Kespa could make up their minds about this ffs >_<. Could someone please clarify for me what the hell this mean for Proleague and such? It means its going to be the same format | ||
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 17 2012 00:10 OpticalShot wrote: Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills. I'm from china so "buys chicken" sounds like buying an escort service, lol. | ||
OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
On July 17 2012 00:15 Caihead wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 00:10 OpticalShot wrote: Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills. I'm from china so "buys chicken" sounds like buying an escort service, lol. Had no idea XD Although... that would make a nice little fanfic... | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
OT Fried chicken is the best | ||
sevia
United States954 Posts
On July 17 2012 00:10 OpticalShot wrote: Looks like they're taking the "we'll stick to our promise" approach. I don't mind, but the players will have to endure the tough task of splitting their practice times for a little longer. I'd imagine at this point, the BW practices are more of casual fun breaks for the progamers (loser buys chicken?), while SC2 practices are more intensive and geared towards improvement of skills. Well, for a few select players and teams (anyone left in the OSL and their practice partners), I would imagine they're focusing on Brood War more than ever. The other teams are probably like 90% SC2, 10% BW. It seems like most of them are just coasting on their years of practice to get them through this horrid season. | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Canada19447 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
http://www.e-sports.or.kr/news/notice_view.kea?m_code=news_30&seq=953&where=||&query=&where_term=&PageNo=1 http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=63397 Sorry Kennigit I will be a good boy now. | ||
TsGBruzze
Sweden1190 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50394 Posts
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9027 Posts
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KapsyL
Sweden704 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:31 Garnet wrote: When can I see KeSPA players fully practice SC2... This please. As much as I like broodwar, This isnt the right way of ending it. Better off with a big bang (Only BW Grandfinals that are coming up) then some semi bullshit like this ![]() | ||
Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
An understandable but sitll poor decision imo | ||
Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On July 16 2012 23:55 Dodgin wrote: I'm fine with this, I guess. Proleague BW games can still be good like bisu's most recent game was. Yeah, but Bisu's game was more sloppy than good.. He coulda won that a lot more crisply. Oh well glad we still have some games left ![]() (they should change it to full bw just for this season and send it off in a bang! WHOS WITH ME????!?!?!!!!!!) | ||
Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
Some of you may think it's great to have BW in Proleague because it's sad that BW is coming to an end so you take all the BW you can get, but I just think it's sad that BW will end with a shit standard of games in Proleague where SC2 has the bigger impact of the outcome anyway. If the ace was BW then yeah, maybe it would have been different but as of right now when the future is sc2 and the ace is sc2 it's just painful to watch. | ||
N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
Still wonder how the fuck playoffs are going to work with this format. If they decide that you can choose freely then the bw games may be good as people will dedicate solely to one for a brief time. Otherwise shit like the semifinals will be a battle of "let's gear it to the best possible finals lineup" instead of "who is a better team". Plus the first place team would have such a huge fucking advantage in preparation. I'd shoot someone's cat if bw in the grand finals is only 2 sets. | ||
Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 17 2012 00:15 Caihead wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 00:02 Integra wrote: I just wish Kespa could make up their minds about this ffs >_<. Could someone please clarify for me what the hell this mean for Proleague and such? It means its going to be the same format For Kespa to keep BW for this season only would had been a excellent choice. If they fully switched to SC2 and had some ending cermony for SC:BW would had been nice as well. To keep this hybrid is terrible though and will produce nothing but horrible gameplay. =( | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Fuck this shit. | ||
MeteorRise
Canada611 Posts
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:38 MeteorRise wrote: I find this really dumb lol. They should think of the players and viewers instead of what they think will get them the best numbers. That's not the way corporations work. CEOs are required to maximize profits. On July 16 2012 22:53 Chef wrote: Difficulties more difficult than they are facing with the hybrid league? Maybe that are just scared that if OSL ends off with a bang people will want more of it, so they want it to pitter out with pathetic proleague games *conspiracy bisu* Well, sorry, but I'll continue to not watch it. OSL is the last professional BW for me, their tactics won't phase me! Heh, fully agreed. I've lost interest in the Proleague, to the point that I'd rather watch random Hiya replays than the live PL streams. | ||
CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
This is acttully really discusting. Kespa always treated their players like shit and they still do it. This is their fucking job, their not your suns Kespa. This is also a fucking retarded decision. | ||
nbaker
United States1341 Posts
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Zer atai
United States691 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote: Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW. Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p ! | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
It just seems more like a "I want it all" maneuver by KeSPA, desperately trying to retain the BW-fan base through prolonging the format. It's even more bad this way because by doing such, they'd probably lose more viewers as the quality of both games will suffer with the same problem of practicing for two games still present. Stick to SC2 or BW, trying to stick to both at once is going to make KeSPA lose both. | ||
ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
On July 16 2012 23:21 stillborn wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote: I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left. I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2 i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad. It's not because they feel the players are too bad. It's because the fans will not show up if they do a full transition. | ||
ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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uziasz
Poland70 Posts
I would preffer let them to die broodwar in peace than to make another season of torment for bw. If and prolly it will happen OSL become sc2 then its just sad to watch how bw need to share it greatness with sc2. Im trully fan of bw and i dont like this decision mostly because the level of the bw games dropped much since progamers need to practise both game in same time and thats not what i wish to watch. I miss old times when i woke up at 4 am in my country just to watch bw games live... now i hardly watch them at all because of that mix. Jd is no longer jd, flash is no longer flash... they are no longer same players. Why they cant make 2 different leagues for bw and sc2? People and players could choose what game to play/watch. Yeh, yeh i know... its all about $$. :/ On July 17 2012 03:01 sM.Zik wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote: Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW. Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p ! Its not that they didnt won anything.. but zerg and especially terran players archieved much more. There were 4? bonjwas if i remember good... 1 zerg 3 terrans (+ jd was very close to be 2nd zerg bonjwa i believe) while protosses even with bisu at his best times wasnt that close to be bonjwa. | ||
GinDo
3327 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:19 uziasz wrote: For me that news is like a nightmare for meh >.> I would preffer let them to die broodwar in peace than to make another season of torment for bw. If and prolly it will happen OSL become sc2 then its just sad to watch how bw need to share it greatness with sc2. Im trully fan of bw and i dont like this decision mostly because the level of the bw games dropped much since progamers need to practise both game in same time and thats not what i wish to watch. I miss old times when i woke up at 4 am in my country just to watch bw games live... now i hardly watch them at all because of that mix. Jd is no longer jd, flash is no longer flash... they are no longer same players. Why they cant make 2 different leagues for bw and sc2? People and players could choose what game to play/watch. Yeh, yeh i know... its all about $$. :/ Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 03:01 sM.Zik wrote: On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote: Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW. Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p ! Its not that they didnt won anything.. but zerg and especially terran players archieved much more. There were 4? bonjwas if i remember good... 1 zerg 3 terrans (+ jd was very close to be 2nd zerg bonjwa i believe) while protosses even with bisu at his best times wasnt that close to be bonjwa. Actually 4 Terrans and 1 Zerg. Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior, Flash. And please Kespa let BW die in peace T_T. Kespa hurting Esports. | ||
Chef
10810 Posts
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BgSBendeR
Canada170 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:52 Chef wrote: In terms of bonjwa's Terran have the most representation, but thinking about the 4 kings of each era, Protoss are pretty damn well represented too. Just thinking about that year of the dragons makes me mad at anyone who whines about Protoss lol... A single terran bonjwa from any era wins more titles than all the protoss kings of that same era. Terran is well-known as the easy path to bonjwahood. | ||
pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote: they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that. Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty. | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote: they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that. Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty. Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2. | ||
pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote: On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote: they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that. Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty. Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2. What ?? and from where you got this info.. ? | ||
Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:09 Lightwip wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 04:52 Chef wrote: In terms of bonjwa's Terran have the most representation, but thinking about the 4 kings of each era, Protoss are pretty damn well represented too. Just thinking about that year of the dragons makes me mad at anyone who whines about Protoss lol... A single terran bonjwa from any era wins more titles than all the protoss kings of that same era. Terran is well-known as the easy path to bonjwahood. protoss is the most epic race however, with Mantoss going Hero mode, The 3-3-7 Revolution and the 6 Dragons Era.. | ||
Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
The hybrid league isn't making BW fans happy. All it's doing is guaranteeing that the next proleague is going to be a disaster, because the SPL players still won't have caught up to the SPL players (and KeSPA's being stupid with the maps). If people wanted to watch Proleague just because they liked SKT1 or Flash or whatever, the hybrid league wouldn't've been a failure. All they're doing is extending the amount of time for which it'll be the fourth best SC2 team league. On July 17 2012 04:02 ninini wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2012 23:21 stillborn wrote: On July 16 2012 22:51 arbiter_md wrote: I'm glad they keep it. I know it's hard for players, but more BW is good. I still don't know what will do when there will be no BW left. I am not going to wacht one single game of this season then, i watch just about every good cast, but i wont start watching sc1 now, just because i play sc2 i think its a huge mistake to delay the full transition, just because your players are bad. It's not because they feel the players are too bad. It's because the fans will not show up if they do a full transition. Fans aren't showing up NOW. A lot of BW fans have written PL off and are pretending the OSL is the last Brood War, and SC2 fans lost interest in SPL two weeks in. It'll be really interesting to compare the crowd for the GSL finals next week (I think) to the crowd for the SPL finals. On July 17 2012 05:05 Fionn wrote: KESPA is kinda in a tough place right now. They own the BW market 100% and their fans will come see those games, but there is no new sponsor interest and a bleak future to stay afloat. For the SC2 market, there are loads of sponsors and international opportunities, but the GSL, if you like it or not, is the face of Korean SC2. Even with OSL now having SC2 games, the attendance between GSL and the Hybrid Proleague/ODT is heavily in GSL's favor with the GOM Studio almost always packed for Code S/GSTL games now. I haven't seen the ODT yet. Was it really empty? I imagine the OSL games between GSL players and KeSPA players will have a big crowd; there's an obvious and cool storyline there. Past that, who knows. The GSL, in addition to having the best players, is also way more responsive to community desires than KeSPA is. KeSPA can't keep acting like they're the only game in town. | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Terrible choice, almost no one will watch. | ||
Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1689 Posts
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Khalum
Austria831 Posts
[edit] I feel like I'm being too honest right now. Honestly. | ||
mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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Monsyphon
Canada190 Posts
Is the OSL Finals not gonna happen/be a BO7 or something like that? How will the winners from the OSL RO4 face off? | ||
Kanil
United States1713 Posts
On topic: The split Proleague is awful, and I don't watch it. They should have just let the OSL be the final match, and let everyone get focusing on their new game. | ||
maybenexttime
Poland5629 Posts
On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote: I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership. Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor. I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea. Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV. | ||
jalstar
United States8198 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote: I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership. Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor. I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea. Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV. There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV. | ||
Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote: On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote: I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership. Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor. I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea. Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV. There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV. Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL).... | ||
Piste
6179 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote: On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote: they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that. Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty. Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2. umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:48 Ribbon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote: On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote: On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote: I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership. Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor. I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea. Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV. There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV. Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL).... They should have aligned Proleague either with the end of the last BW OSL or with the release of HotS, or both. They could have had a final Proleague in full BW, and have the hiatus between the end of that Proleague and the release of HotS for KeSPA players to practice SC2. When HotS hits, all SC2 metagame will be reset anyways, which is basically where KeSPA players are falling behind, giving them an even ground to GSL players and a good timing for them to start competing in SC2. This was all basically very badly planned between KeSPA, GOM and Blizzard, which oddly enough was that supposed cooperation that made the KeSPA transition to SC2 possible. | ||
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:48 Ribbon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote: On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote: On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote: I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership. Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor. I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea. Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV. There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV. Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL).... Er I will say that MC/MVP have beaten other known code S players on ladder with their off races to. It's just ladder and him beating soulkey in a zvz isn't surprising. | ||
Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:01 rysecake wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote: On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote: On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote: they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that. Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty. Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2. umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely. Too bad you didn't hear from their initial perception of the game. If they were to switch from the get go, things will definitely not go as smooth. | ||
greenDron
Korea (South)94 Posts
I've spent the last several years of my life doing just broodwar, and I think it still will always have meaning. God bless Flash, jaedong, bisu, fantasy and stork on their missions from God for the future! | ||
rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:25 Xiphos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 09:01 rysecake wrote: On July 17 2012 05:16 Xiphos wrote: On July 17 2012 05:14 pallad wrote: On July 17 2012 04:54 BgSBendeR wrote: they know a full switch to only sc2 is bad. the crowd at today's osl ODT was proof of that. Its better then hybrid... now Kespa players will play badly in both games..and for fans , quality of games will be shitty. Nah, they got to ease in the players into the transition. Most of the players will retire if it was just sudden switch to SC2. umm no? The majority of the players are saying it'd be much easier if it was just a full switch to sc2 so they could focus on it completely. Too bad you didn't hear from their initial perception of the game. If they were to switch from the get go, things will definitely not go as smooth. I did not. Do tell please | ||
ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
dah.... reference? | ||
tryummm
774 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:36 tryummm wrote: I don't know why people are complaining about the quality of the games. The BW players seem to be performing fine in SC2 considering they haven't been playing it for very long. They are certainly playing it at a much higher level than those criticizing them despite their lack of experience. And the BW matches are still a much higher level than any other leagues out there, so I don't see why people are complaining about the skill level in the Brood War sets. The strategies are still very strong, the only thing that's lacking is micro management (Which is understandable when playing two different games) and some of the choices of strategies (ex: 1 basing PvZ or a heavy Hydralisk break) make the games somewhat dull. People are comparing current BW to BW two years ago, and that's the cause of the irritation. SPL players have an excuse for not being good at SC2 (new, have to split their time), but that doesn't mean SPL SC2 is super entertaining to watch, even for SC2 fans. | ||
ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:19 Caihead wrote: dah.... reference? it is meme... | ||
uziasz
Poland70 Posts
On July 17 2012 04:46 GinDo wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 04:19 uziasz wrote: For me that news is like a nightmare for meh >.> I would preffer let them to die broodwar in peace than to make another season of torment for bw. If and prolly it will happen OSL become sc2 then its just sad to watch how bw need to share it greatness with sc2. Im trully fan of bw and i dont like this decision mostly because the level of the bw games dropped much since progamers need to practise both game in same time and thats not what i wish to watch. I miss old times when i woke up at 4 am in my country just to watch bw games live... now i hardly watch them at all because of that mix. Jd is no longer jd, flash is no longer flash... they are no longer same players. Why they cant make 2 different leagues for bw and sc2? People and players could choose what game to play/watch. Yeh, yeh i know... its all about $$. :/ On July 17 2012 03:01 sM.Zik wrote: On July 17 2012 02:46 dukethegold wrote: Agree with the consensus of the majority. BW should be allowed to end with a Bang in the form of the last OSL final. May the last champion be Protoss, the race that was shitted on and sat on since the founding of professional BW. Oh yeah, because players like Grrrr..., Garimto, Nal_Ra, Reach, Anytime, Bisu, Stork and Jangbi never won anything big ;p ! Its not that they didnt won anything.. but zerg and especially terran players archieved much more. There were 4? bonjwas if i remember good... 1 zerg 3 terrans (+ jd was very close to be 2nd zerg bonjwa i believe) while protosses even with bisu at his best times wasnt that close to be bonjwa. Actually 4 Terrans and 1 Zerg. Boxer, Nada, Oov, Savior, Flash. And please Kespa let BW die in peace T_T. Kespa hurting Esports. Duh ur right forgot about nada. :D On July 17 2012 12:36 tryummm wrote: I don't know why people are complaining about the quality of the games. The BW players seem to be performing fine in SC2 considering they haven't been playing it for very long. They are certainly playing it at a much higher level than those criticizing them despite their lack of experience. And the BW matches are still a much higher level than any other leagues out there, so I don't see why people are complaining about the skill level in the Brood War sets. The strategies are still very strong, the only thing that's lacking is micro management (Which is understandable when playing two different games) and some of the choices of strategies (ex: 1 basing PvZ or a heavy Hydralisk break) make the games somewhat dull. Well maybe its just me but i see big difference between games today and games 1-2 years ago. I agree that BW matches are still much higher lvl than any other leagues but IMO they are not what they used to be. They are higher than other leagues but not that high how they were before. | ||
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MrHoon
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I love BW just as much as the next guy on this section but at this point it's like some whiny ass guy trying to hold onto his highschool sweetheart after breaking up with her 6 times over the past 12 years ![]() | ||
Grettin
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On July 17 2012 15:05 MrHoon wrote: You know at this point, i would've just preferred an SC2 swap :/ I love BW just as much as the next guy on this section but at this point it's like some whiny ass guy trying to hold onto his highschool sweetheart after breaking up with her 6 times over the past 12 years ![]() Heh, well said. | ||
Leeoku
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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BobTheBuilder1377
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googolplex
United States280 Posts
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plaszczka
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maybenexttime
Poland5629 Posts
On July 17 2012 07:48 Ribbon wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2012 07:12 jalstar wrote: On July 17 2012 07:11 maybenexttime wrote: On July 17 2012 06:56 mdb wrote: I dont agree that this is a bad choice. I think that the main problem for Kespa is that if they switch to SC2 noone is going to watch the proleague live and on tv. This will put the whole industry at risk. At least bw games will give the some viewership. Then they should just switch to LoL... That's what you get when blizzard kills BW without making SC2 a worthy successor. I wonder when sponsors will abandon SC2 due to the lack of interest among the audience in Korea. Based on the fact that blizzard designers seem completely clueless as to what they want HotS to be, I don't even expect SC2 to last till LotV. There's a pretty big Korean SC2 audience. (smaller than BW though) They're just all watching GOMTV. Which they will likely continue to do after the switch happens. GOMTV right now has the best players, the best maps, and is much better at working with the community than KeSPA's ever been. KeSPA simply can't just mosey in to the SC2 scene on Flash's star power. They need to actually have the best players, not just players with a lot of potential who are expected to do well eventually. MVP is saying he beats Soulkey while off-racing as Zerg. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to watch Proleague right now, unless they're a huge fan of a team or player specifically. And all those people are watching the hybrid format now. Seeing what a failure the hybrid format is (SPL is getting way worse crowds even than GSTL).... I don't seen how that's such a big deal (talking about MVP beating SoulKey). One of the best SC2 players beats someone when off-racing. Flash was able to beat progamers (even as high as top30 KeSPA rank I think?) with his Protoss. Dunno about other progamers. | ||
Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
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flashimba
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Jonoman92
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Even if they not play as good as they used to i really would like to see BW going out with a tournament with all the bonjwa (yes i said ALL ! fuck you i love Savior). Even just see Boxer playing one more time and bunker rush yellow 22times in a row. See JulyZerg win in a 1minute game without knowing that he had been proxy gateway but his opponents trapped his zealots between the gateway... I wanna see nuke rushes, dropships micro, barracks landing behind the mineral line making the marines impossible to kill. Vultures run bys and mutas micro. If Brood War has to go, it has to go with style, and a lot of the greatest figures of all time. | ||
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Canada5776 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1689 Posts
On July 17 2012 20:33 FFW_Rude wrote: I just hope they do something HUGE for the last BW tournament. Like a MONSTUOUS tournament with all of the good players that made it a true E-sport. Even if they not play as good as they used to i really would like to see BW going out with a tournament with all the bonjwa (yes i said ALL ! fuck you i love Savior). Even just see Boxer playing one more time and bunker rush yellow 22times in a row. See JulyZerg win in a 1minute game without knowing that he had been proxy gateway but his opponents trapped his zealots between the gateway... I wanna see nuke rushes, dropships micro, barracks landing behind the mineral line making the marines impossible to kill. Vultures run bys and mutas micro. If Brood War has to go, it has to go with style, and a lot of the greatest figures of all time. It's not going. One bit of it is. Stop saying this. Thanks. | ||
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United States5497 Posts
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Gihi
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China2215 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:48 GIhi wrote: The fruit of selfish fans putting this strain on the players for another couple of months... Move on, doing good to nobody are you seriously blaming fans for this? | ||
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