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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
July 12 2012 16:58 GMT
#121
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
July 12 2012 17:12 GMT
#122
These threads are making me sad, from the news to the comments...
CreationSoul
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania231 Posts
July 12 2012 19:50 GMT
#123
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...
Quitting is the easy way out...
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 12 2012 20:08 GMT
#124
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.
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CreationSoul
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania231 Posts
July 12 2012 20:30 GMT
#125
On July 13 2012 05:08 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.


still doesn't make sense to me.... if he loved BW so much... it shouldn't have mattered...
Quitting is the easy way out...
amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
July 12 2012 20:31 GMT
#126
This CEO loved BW so much that he didn't lift a finger to try to save it? huh? If he didn't want BW to be replaced by SC2, couldn't he have marshaled every other like-minded individual to find a way to see if pro BW could still be viable for a little bit longer?

The only reason that Kespa is switching to SC2 is to attempt to survive a bit longer through the foreigner scene since the korean SC2 scene is pretty much DOA at this point from everything anecdotal thing we hear. If pro SC2 weren't this popular outside Korea, I could see kespa hanging onto bw until the bitter end but it makes more sense for them to see if they can survive in some form through Blizzard/foreigner support.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 20:39:08
July 12 2012 20:36 GMT
#127
On July 13 2012 05:30 CreationSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:08 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.


still doesn't make sense to me.... if he loved BW so much... it shouldn't have mattered...


I think his hatred of SC2 outstrips his love for BW.


On July 13 2012 05:31 amazingoopah wrote:
This CEO loved BW so much that he didn't lift a finger to try to save it? huh? If he didn't want BW to be replaced by SC2, couldn't he have marshaled every other like-minded individual to find a way to see if pro BW could still be viable for a little bit longer?

The only reason that Kespa is switching to SC2 is to attempt to survive a bit longer through the foreigner scene since the korean SC2 scene is pretty much DOA at this point from everything anecdotal thing we hear. If pro SC2 weren't this popular outside Korea, I could see kespa hanging onto bw until the bitter end but it makes more sense for them to see if they can survive in some form through Blizzard/foreigner support.


From what I see, it looks like Kespa was already set on its course to replace BW with SC2 by the time this CEO came to negotiate. If that couldn't have changed, there was no reason for him to sponsor a team only to see it play the game he doesn't like a year later.
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CreationSoul
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania231 Posts
July 12 2012 20:39 GMT
#128
On July 13 2012 05:36 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:30 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:08 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.


still doesn't make sense to me.... if he loved BW so much... it shouldn't have mattered...


I think his hatred of SC2 outstrips his love for BW.


then, in my book, he is an idiot...
Quitting is the easy way out...
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 12 2012 21:01 GMT
#129
On July 13 2012 05:39 CreationSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:36 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:30 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:08 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.


still doesn't make sense to me.... if he loved BW so much... it shouldn't have mattered...


I think his hatred of SC2 outstrips his love for BW.


then, in my book, he is an idiot...


When you take a look at how Proleague is doing right now, not so much.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Sd13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Vietnam186 Posts
July 12 2012 21:06 GMT
#130
On July 13 2012 05:39 CreationSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:36 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:30 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:08 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.


still doesn't make sense to me.... if he loved BW so much... it shouldn't have mattered...


I think his hatred of SC2 outstrips his love for BW.


then, in my book, he is an idiot...


Not trying to defend him but for me, since this PL started with the dual format, the quality of BW played has been downgraded significantly that I think the quality of this OSL to be affected as well with poor performance from most players in the group stage. Not only that it made me stop watching both PL and OSL since it's painful to watch such petty play from those once brilliant players but also made me think that even the players have already given up on BW, now doing it only for the sake of their job. The recent OSL semi that I luckily didn't miss is the only thing that brought me back to post here.
정명훈 \m/
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
July 12 2012 21:12 GMT
#131
...and this is why you can't just be a perfect optimist and pretend that SC2 will magically become a beloved game as brood war. People in SK don't even play it because of the stupid pricing model, let alone love it.
Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
July 12 2012 21:33 GMT
#132
From the 3rd round of Proleague onwards, BW will be completely replaced with SC2

Surprised few have picked up on this. This is recent matter, and it appears -- as this is supposed to come through KeSPA channels -- that a decision has been made regarding no more BW in SPL round 3.

The Rise and Fall of SlayerS -- a timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=378097
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 12 2012 21:37 GMT
#133
The point is that even if OGN completely switches to broadcasting SC2, what really are their chances of achieving the same glory as their hey days with Brood War? StarCraft 2 markets is very saturated with MLG, DreamHack, IPL, GTSL, NASL, and of course GSL. Comparing to Brood War that only had MBC to compete with (excluded Gom since it was cancelled). Now OGN wouldn't receive nearly as much attention as they want with the game that in the end they are really going to get around the same viewership as Brood War because of the high competition.

Lets face it, Tasteless and Artosis are staying in Gom. The only way they are going to harness attentions from the foreign community is through the quality of their English casting. Unless they get Day[9] or 2GD as their ambassador, they will always be second rate relative to GSL. That leaves them the only option of digging into domestic market in which CEOs like this one won't sponsor and many fans wanting to continue the legacy of BW will be bitter enough to not tune in.

I fear for the future of the organization.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
ZeroChrome
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1001 Posts
July 12 2012 21:38 GMT
#134
On July 13 2012 05:30 CreationSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:08 jpak wrote:
On July 13 2012 04:50 CreationSoul wrote:
On July 13 2012 01:58 Daozzt wrote:
I believe that if this was 2006/2007, sometime before all the conflicts starting arising (matchfixing, Blizz ip rights), the CEO would invest in BW in a heartbeat. CEOs of top Korean companies and Kespa insiders probably had all the information revealed to them long ago about the inevitable SC2 switch, thus were hesitant on their sponsorships. He basically expresses that companies would sponsor BW if it was healthy and stable, but that obviously was not the case a year ago. If he sponsors team 8 and Kespa switches to SC2, he'd be fucked since he hates that game, thus he held back the money. In the end, it's all speculation with a lot of "what ifs", but it's still sad that BW had to end like this while people still had geniune love for the game.


then why didn't he sponsor the OSL? it was BW only....

that is what is confuzing to me...


Probably because he wanted to sponsor for the long term, but BW was going away within a year.


still doesn't make sense to me.... if he loved BW so much... it shouldn't have mattered...


It's easy to talk about what he should have done, but in reality when millions of dollars are at stake it's probably not such a simple decision for him.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
July 12 2012 21:39 GMT
#135
On July 13 2012 05:31 amazingoopah wrote:
This CEO loved BW so much that he didn't lift a finger to try to save it? huh? If he didn't want BW to be replaced by SC2, couldn't he have marshaled every other like-minded individual to find a way to see if pro BW could still be viable for a little bit longer?

The only reason that Kespa is switching to SC2 is to attempt to survive a bit longer through the foreigner scene since the korean SC2 scene is pretty much DOA at this point from everything anecdotal thing we hear. If pro SC2 weren't this popular outside Korea, I could see kespa hanging onto bw until the bitter end but it makes more sense for them to see if they can survive in some form through Blizzard/foreigner support.


He sponsored Team 8 so a bunch of players wouldn't have to retire. So yeah, he lifted a finger to save it, to say the least.
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Hundisilm
Profile Joined July 2011
Estonia99 Posts
July 12 2012 21:44 GMT
#136
On July 13 2012 06:37 Xiphos wrote:
The point is that even if OGN completely switches to broadcasting SC2, what really are their chances of achieving the same glory as their hey days with Brood War? StarCraft 2 markets is very saturated with MLG, DreamHack, IPL, GTSL, NASL, and of course GSL. Comparing to Brood War that only had MBC to compete with (excluded Gom since it was cancelled). Now OGN wouldn't receive nearly as much attention as they want with the game that in the end they are really going to get around the same viewership as Brood War because of the high competition.

Lets face it, Tasteless and Artosis are staying in Gom. The only way they are going to harness attentions from the foreign community is through the quality of their English casting. Unless they get Day[9] or 2GD as their ambassador, they will always be second rate relative to GSL. That leaves them the only option of digging into domestic market in which CEOs like this one won't sponsor and many fans wanting to continue the legacy of BW will be bitter enough to not tune in.

I fear for the future of the organization.


Aren't they doing the lol game though (it probably has potential to be bigger than BW ever was for a year or two)? It probably isn't very smart to focus on one particular game too much anyways. Their SC2 project will be fine as well I'm sure - probably not gonna be as big as BW was on it's heyday, but it'll be fine.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
July 12 2012 21:50 GMT
#137
On July 13 2012 06:44 Hundisilm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:37 Xiphos wrote:
The point is that even if OGN completely switches to broadcasting SC2, what really are their chances of achieving the same glory as their hey days with Brood War? StarCraft 2 markets is very saturated with MLG, DreamHack, IPL, GTSL, NASL, and of course GSL. Comparing to Brood War that only had MBC to compete with (excluded Gom since it was cancelled). Now OGN wouldn't receive nearly as much attention as they want with the game that in the end they are really going to get around the same viewership as Brood War because of the high competition.

Lets face it, Tasteless and Artosis are staying in Gom. The only way they are going to harness attentions from the foreign community is through the quality of their English casting. Unless they get Day[9] or 2GD as their ambassador, they will always be second rate relative to GSL. That leaves them the only option of digging into domestic market in which CEOs like this one won't sponsor and many fans wanting to continue the legacy of BW will be bitter enough to not tune in.

I fear for the future of the organization.


Aren't they doing the lol game though (it probably has potential to be bigger than BW ever was for a year or two)? It probably isn't very smart to focus on one particular game too much anyways. Their SC2 project will be fine as well I'm sure - probably not gonna be as big as BW was on it's heyday, but it'll be fine.


Not sure that it will as GSL will eat away their domestic market and DreamHack and MLG will occupy the foreign scene.

OR the completely opposite might happen

GSL gets trumped by OGN because sponsors decides to invest into a longer standing organization in which the whole scene have to be under the jurisdiction of KesPa a la Brood War once again. With stronger backing organizations and stable atmosphere with superior training regime, it will be again converting competition for the foreign market.

I don't want to see either of the above happening.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
July 12 2012 21:55 GMT
#138
I saw this and literally teared up, I really hope he will actually act on what he said and keep BW alive.
I don't want to see the day when the Broodwar forum disappears completely -_-
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 12 2012 22:14 GMT
#139
On July 13 2012 06:39 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 05:31 amazingoopah wrote:
This CEO loved BW so much that he didn't lift a finger to try to save it? huh? If he didn't want BW to be replaced by SC2, couldn't he have marshaled every other like-minded individual to find a way to see if pro BW could still be viable for a little bit longer?

The only reason that Kespa is switching to SC2 is to attempt to survive a bit longer through the foreigner scene since the korean SC2 scene is pretty much DOA at this point from everything anecdotal thing we hear. If pro SC2 weren't this popular outside Korea, I could see kespa hanging onto bw until the bitter end but it makes more sense for them to see if they can survive in some form through Blizzard/foreigner support.


He sponsored Team 8 so a bunch of players wouldn't have to retire. So yeah, he lifted a finger to save it, to say the least.

Hmmm, I thought the article said that he considered sponsoring it and was talking with KeSPA about it, yet I don't really see any mention of him actually ending up sponsoring anything.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 12 2012 22:37 GMT
#140
On July 13 2012 07:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 06:39 ninazerg wrote:
On July 13 2012 05:31 amazingoopah wrote:
This CEO loved BW so much that he didn't lift a finger to try to save it? huh? If he didn't want BW to be replaced by SC2, couldn't he have marshaled every other like-minded individual to find a way to see if pro BW could still be viable for a little bit longer?

The only reason that Kespa is switching to SC2 is to attempt to survive a bit longer through the foreigner scene since the korean SC2 scene is pretty much DOA at this point from everything anecdotal thing we hear. If pro SC2 weren't this popular outside Korea, I could see kespa hanging onto bw until the bitter end but it makes more sense for them to see if they can survive in some form through Blizzard/foreigner support.


He sponsored Team 8 so a bunch of players wouldn't have to retire. So yeah, he lifted a finger to save it, to say the least.

Hmmm, I thought the article said that he considered sponsoring it and was talking with KeSPA about it, yet I don't really see any mention of him actually ending up sponsoring anything.


He was considering... until SC2 came into the picture. Then he withdrew his consideration.
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