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On July 12 2012 21:34 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 21:30 jpak wrote:On July 12 2012 21:12 Caihead wrote:On July 12 2012 21:05 Sawamura wrote:On July 12 2012 21:03 nadafanboy42 wrote:
So what? Broodwar could've survived if it had debased itself to becoming the pet charity of some nostalgic multi-millionaire? Where was this guy when MBCGame was struggling to find a MSL sponsor? Where was he when eSTRO disbanded?
Honestly this shouldn't come as a surprise. There's a lot of sad and angry Broodwar fans amongst us poor people, it makes sense it's the same for rich Broodwar fans. But words are cheap. The suggestion of this article is that "Broodwar could survive if it wasn't switching to SC2", but I call bullshit on that. MBC didn't disband MBCGame because they hated SC2. I seriously doubt Wemade pulled their sponsorship because they didn't want to sponsor SC2 either.
What I'm hearing from this article is that there's a passionate CEO who would've wanted to support Broodwar. What I'm not hearing is that there's a business-savy CEO who thinks sponsoring Broodwar is going to help his company.
I don't think there's any question that if KeSPA wasn't 'forcing' the switch to SC2, Broodwar would've continued to muddle on. But it would've done so as a shadow of its former self.
I can understand that this guy wants to vent his frustration and anger at seeing something he loves end. But nostalgia and charity is not something to base an industry on. Imo it would be nothing short of selfish and irresponsible to ask progamers to throw away their youth on a scene dependant on the whims of a bunch of rich benefactors. No other companies would have killed a product that they have been created for a life time that is supposed to last only 5 years at maximum to be still popular at large and still running competitions in a country . Blizzard and Co did it and I blame them too for the murder of broodwar thanks to them suing poor mbcgame who is already running on low funds and ogn . No one else is to be blame except blizzard for all of this . Well, I mean they basically shifted support to SC2, they didn't actively kill BW, it died on its own due to alot of external events. Blizz didn't make MSL go away, blizz didn't make the match fixing scandal, blizz didn't divert away sponsors and corporate interest (in many ways other games - indirect competitors like LoL also contributed). Be reasonable with the criticism, Blizzard has alot to blame and is an easy target, but be rational about it. It's about half match-fixing, half Blizzard lawsuits. So yeah, while Blizzard is not TOTALLY at fault, to say that it had no part in killing BW is just being naive. Blizzard lawsuits were over profits against Kespa, how about this, what if Kespa had agreed to let blizzard have broadcasting profit margins, then blizzard supported the whole BW scene right there? Also besides, Blizzard was going to push the newer product regardless, I'm not defending it from a BW fan perspective, just saying that it was going to happen.
Get your facts straight, for fuck's sake. KeSPA agreed to pay blizzard from the very beginning. blizzard wanted way more than that - full rights to all of the content (StarCraft related) produced by OGN/MBC, final say in scheduling (which meant ProLeague out of the primetime and SC2 being broadcast), contracts with KeSPA players overriding KeSPA contracts, and so on.
That's why their "negotiations" fell through (blizzard did not even bother to show up to most of them according to KeSPA officials).
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I wonder will we get such statements by other sponsors if they get the balls to say such things.
I dont see a reason if companies really are interested in sponsoring bw to not do it, however if that is true than it can be only Blizzard forcing Kespa to switch to sc2.
Unfortunatelly this is just assumption from unacquainted fan of bw.
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Just sounds like this CEO is bitter about BW fading out and just talking smack out of despite. mmhh, now where have I seen that before?
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On July 19 2012 10:53 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
Just sounds like this CEO is bitter about BW fading out and just talking smack out of despite. mmhh, now where have I seen that before?
Sounds like someone hasn't read the thread. mmhh, now where have I seen that before?
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On July 19 2012 10:58 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:53 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
Just sounds like this CEO is bitter about BW fading out and just talking smack out of despite. mmhh, now where have I seen that before? Sounds like someone hasn't read the thread. mmhh, now where have I seen that before?
10 minute breaks will do that to ya, i'll read it when I get home..
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On July 19 2012 11:04 AsymptoticClimax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:58 L3gendary wrote:On July 19 2012 10:53 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
Just sounds like this CEO is bitter about BW fading out and just talking smack out of despite. mmhh, now where have I seen that before? Sounds like someone hasn't read the thread. mmhh, now where have I seen that before? 10 minute breaks will do that to ya, i'll read it when I get home..
You should be posting when you get home then.
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On July 19 2012 11:10 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 11:04 AsymptoticClimax wrote:On July 19 2012 10:58 L3gendary wrote:On July 19 2012 10:53 AsymptoticClimax wrote:
Just sounds like this CEO is bitter about BW fading out and just talking smack out of despite. mmhh, now where have I seen that before? Sounds like someone hasn't read the thread. mmhh, now where have I seen that before? 10 minute breaks will do that to ya, i'll read it when I get home.. You should be posting when you get home then.
Doubt that.
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sad to see this 
Just seems to be more of a reminder what could have happened. I still wish he would agree to sponsor team 8, JD and the rest really deserve a sponsor
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