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On May 21 2012 05:08 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 04:31 Miyoshino wrote:
Blizzard kept the SC BW scene alive by not allowing Kespa and OGN to do SC2. If it wasn't for Blizzard, they would have made a switch way way earlier, like right away.
Not to mention it lost Blizzard a shitton of money.
Thank you Blizzard for yout stupidity. Honestly, thank you. What an uninformed post. So it was stupid from Blizzard to not let BW die earlier? Kespa wasn't exactly eager to switch to SC2. What a horrible post.
Of course they wanted to run a SC2 tournament. You act like Blizzard asked OGN to run a SC2 tournament but they refused.
Uninformed? Where you even here when these events unfolded? I remember being there at that time and explaining people how things were and being thanked for informing them.
Blizzard did try to kill SC BW but instead they protected SC BW from having to compete with SC2. You can talk about Gom but Gom doesn't matter. Now with SC in this season of Proleague it is the first time people get to decide what game they like more.
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It's not like SC2 was a big contender against BW in the first place. You make it sound like BW was on live support and good old Blizz supported the game by suing Kespa.
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On May 21 2012 01:39 palexhur wrote:
Horrible games, Lol is going to be the biggest toy of Kespa easier, This hybrid thing is disrespectful with the fans and players, the only real RTS that I enjoy in a stream is BW been playing by the Koreans, now it is like watching the foreign scene.
LoL in Korea is not ran by KeSPA but individually by OGN.
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I said what I said. I didn't say what I didn't say. Why was SC2 no contender at all?
Blizzard didn't sue Kespa, rofl. They sued the only two mainstream esports channels in the world for being the only two esports channels in the world. The effect? BW continued but no SC2 esports except on some obscure internet stream.
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On May 21 2012 05:48 DeadBull wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 05:43 reincremate wrote:
This format is discrimination against BW. They should make the GSL or GSTL mixed leagues as well. B-team level BW can be entertaining sometimes. They should have them play LoL too. That would be of great benefit to the Cult of Esports.
And to anyone saying lol @ all the qq butthurt fans, my anus is like "NOOO BLIZZARD NOOO KESPA NOOOOO" and Blizzard and Kespa are just like "hoooweee take it, bitch, take it."
haha :D i think it's a great format. It creates a lot of cool stories!
Cool stories at the expense of game quality. Foreigner esports is a joke. PL is done for.
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On May 21 2012 07:39 Miyoshino wrote:
I said what I said. I didn't say what I didn't say. Why was SC2 no contender at all?
Blizzard didn't sue Kespa, rofl. They sued the only two mainstream esports channels in the world for being the only two esports channels in the world. The effect? BW continued but no SC2 esports except on some obscure internet stream.
Kespa didn't run SC2 tournaments because it wasn't really popular in Korea, not much to it beyond that.
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On May 21 2012 07:44 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:39 Miyoshino wrote:
I said what I said. I didn't say what I didn't say. Why was SC2 no contender at all?
Blizzard didn't sue Kespa, rofl. They sued the only two mainstream esports channels in the world for being the only two esports channels in the world. The effect? BW continued but no SC2 esports except on some obscure internet stream. Kespa didn't run SC2 tournaments because it wasn't really popular in Korea, not much to it beyond that.
Didnt gom have exclusive rights
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Well, there was a three month free trial period for Koreans. Believe it or not, I was in Korea at that time.
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It's amazing, I laughed so much with by.hero's impromptu nexus positioning. I only regret they're calling it Proleague, that is supposed to be a serious tournament - it wouldn't hurt the transition to call it something else. Now it may suffer the same fate of SC2 - it's fun but they try to push it by attaching it to a strong brand and then it looks terrible by comparison.
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Imagine if starcraft 2 had been released as warcraft 4. Now think of how dumb it sounds having a combined league for both games. That coach was right when he said the only reason this is happening is because both games have "starcraft" in the titles.
And what happened to using the English client? Why did they change their minds about that? I had finally learned enough Korean to understand some of what they were saying, but now I have no clue what units they're talking about.
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On May 21 2012 08:19 Soap wrote:
It's amazing, I laughed so much with by.hero's impromptu nexus positioning.
You are talking about herO[jOin], by.hero is a different player...the one who recently transferred from STX to Team 8.
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On May 21 2012 05:37 Gosi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 05:21 algue wrote:
I think the top 10 BW players should keep playing broodwar to give their team some free wins
It was a pretty big mistake to send Flash and Jaedong to play Sc2 today imo.
Flash isn't nicknamed God for his Sc2 carrier... ( yet ^^ ) You can't do that. If you are set to play BW one week you have to play SC2 before you can play BW again. Thats why this format is getting alot of flak because the quality of the games will suffer alot on both ends. It would indeed have been the best if the teams just made their own inhouse BW and SC2 teams for this Proleague season.
The quality of the BW will be what suffers most because I see no reason for any player to practice it, assuming they are out of OSL, because the BW set is basically meaningless and the fact that a full switch is coming in the fall. You can win every single match purely on sc2 which is why I think if they were serious about having good BW this season then they would have had ace match alternate but the purpose of the BW this season isnt for it to be good its for it to be there next to the sc2 to ease the transition for the fans.
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It wasn't an issue of SC2 being not popular because it wasn't released or barely released. Blizzard made very clear to the Koean scene 'no more rogue tournaments' and they gave Gom both a bag of money and exclusive rights to try to stop OGN and MBC.
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On May 21 2012 08:41 Miyoshino wrote:
It wasn't an issue of SC2 being not popular because it wasn't released or barely released. Blizzard made very clear to the Koean scene 'no more rogue tournaments' and they gave Gom both a bag of money and exclusive rights to try to stop OGN and MBC.
SC2 is just not popular in Korea. Is that so hard for you to understand? The fans still want BW, and the only reason why they are switching now is because the sponsors have noticed the foreign SC2 scene, and wants to have a piece of the cake. The south korean ppl wants to stay with BW, but the sponsors wants SC2. Without the sponsors, it doesn't matter what the fans wants, so Kespa is forced to switch.
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On May 21 2012 10:27 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 08:41 Miyoshino wrote:
It wasn't an issue of SC2 being not popular because it wasn't released or barely released. Blizzard made very clear to the Koean scene 'no more rogue tournaments' and they gave Gom both a bag of money and exclusive rights to try to stop OGN and MBC. SC2 is just not popular in Korea. Is that so hard for you to understand? The fans still want BW, and the only reason why they are switching now is because the sponsors have noticed the foreign SC2 scene, and wants to have a piece of the cake. The south korean ppl wants to stay with BW, but the sponsors wants SC2. Without the sponsors, it doesn't matter what the fans wants, so Kespa is forced to switch.
I thought one of the big reasons that sc2 was not popular was that it was not on tv. At least that was what this thread said at the time.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288
And blizzard made it impossible to get on tv by giving GOM exclusive rights. Was this thread completely mistaken about the reasons sc2 was not popular?
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yea opening day was pretty awful. I wonder if this horrible league could of been prevented had blizzard given kespa an SC2 lisence right when it started? BW had more sponsors back then so most of the teams wouldn't want to switch, and kespa could of started a separate SC2 league. maybe then we would have a strong BW and SC2 league right now instead of a strong LoL league and a shitty SC2/BW hybrid thing.
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Not surprised that none of the BW players are good at SC2. It's going to take them awhile to catch up.
And lol @ the SC2 hate. I seem to remember SC1 not being particularly amazing right out the box either, give me a break. The BW pros looked at least a year behind the GOM players, I didn't see much of any of the metagame. When they catch up, the games will be good. Until then the only interesting thing will just be seeing how they approach the game.
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It's not that they are new to the game, it's the fact that they have to split their time preparing for both games which are tremendously different.
Also, it's been over 2 years since star2 has come out. It's not 'right out of the box'. That kind of talk really irks me.
You won't see great games this proleague as the players have to spend time playing this game, which some of them don't even think is that great. The BW games are half assed, and the star2 games are not entertaining because 1) they haven't played for a long time, and 2) they don't have the time to practice as BOTH games are important, and players HAVE to play both games.
KeSPa is making it not entertainable, Starcraft 2 nor Starcraft 1 are making the games boring. What they're asking out of the players is simply not possible.
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On May 21 2012 10:36 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 10:27 ninini wrote:On May 21 2012 08:41 Miyoshino wrote:
It wasn't an issue of SC2 being not popular because it wasn't released or barely released. Blizzard made very clear to the Koean scene 'no more rogue tournaments' and they gave Gom both a bag of money and exclusive rights to try to stop OGN and MBC. SC2 is just not popular in Korea. Is that so hard for you to understand? The fans still want BW, and the only reason why they are switching now is because the sponsors have noticed the foreign SC2 scene, and wants to have a piece of the cake. The south korean ppl wants to stay with BW, but the sponsors wants SC2. Without the sponsors, it doesn't matter what the fans wants, so Kespa is forced to switch. I thought one of the big reasons that sc2 was not popular was that it was not on tv. At least that was what this thread said at the time. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=142288And blizzard made it impossible to get on tv by giving GOM exclusive rights. Was this thread completely mistaken about the reasons sc2 was not popular?
The reason why SC2 isn't popular in Korea is because over there most ppl actually knows about BW, so they're sticking to the more spectator-friendly game. Most foreign SC2 fans haven't even played BW, or won't give it a chance. That's why picking SC2 feels so obvious to them. I know BW is old. I know that the graphics aren't the best, but the age of a game is irrelevant, and the SC2 graphics are even worse since it makes it impossible to see what is going on in the game. We understand that the quality of games will eventually become better, but the low quality of play was only a part of the problem. When I saw the games, it just made it more obvious what a nightmare SC2 is by comparison. The graphics, the simplistic unit pathing, etc. I feel offended that they even named that game after Starcraft 1. I hope Kespa stops this farce and just goes on with the switch. The way they are milking the audience to try and turn them into SC2 fans is offending.
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On May 21 2012 11:13 CaucasianAsian wrote:
It's not that they are new to the game, it's the fact that they have to split their time preparing for both games which are tremendously different.
Also, it's been over 2 years since star2 has come out. It's not 'right out of the box'. That kind of talk really irks me.
You won't see great games this proleague as the players have to spend time playing this game, which some of them don't even think is that great. The BW games are half assed, and the star2 games are not entertaining because 1) they haven't played for a long time, and 2) they don't have the time to practice as BOTH games are important, and players HAVE to play both games.
KeSPa is making it not entertainable, Starcraft 2 nor Starcraft 1 are making the games boring. What they're asking out of the players is simply not possible.
The thing is though why would the players out of the OSL put anywhere near the same amount of time into BW as SC2. Winning the BW would be nice but if you can be strong at SC2 you can win the match anyway strictly on having a stronger ace.
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