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densha
United States797 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
On May 11 2012 00:47 Ribbon wrote: + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=336480 Replays with a protoss Firebathero on Korean top masters. Since Firebathero is confirmed to play under that name, likely the real one. His opponent was a foreign semi-pro, and these are a month old. I ran them through SC2gears to get some numbers. A minute here is a normal human minute, not a Blizzard minute APM: 224 EAPM: 148 Redundancy: 33% Macro APM: 77 Micro APM: 163 Average game length (with a sample size of two PvTs): 17:24 Game 599 Macro seemed solid, but not Aria-level "wow", but he was playing the most passive terran in the world, so he didn't have to defend any pressure or drops. Really not a good game, even for SC2. FBH keeps his money low off two bases, but it starts to creep up a bit when he takes his third. Terran doesn't play that well (no drops, sits under storms), but FBH still loses Game 600, played a week later Most of the same. Terran was not very good (compared to pros), so hard to judge, as he had little pressure. Money issues on 3 base again, getting to 1000/500 at the 15 minute mark. Just before the 20 minute mark, he's at 1300/1300. He makes a bunch of HT after that to spend 1000 of that gas, but still has 4-digit minerals, just chillin', not being zealots, even though he's at 150 supply going zealot/archon. It's not a matter of not enough production, either, as the nexuses in his main, natural, and third are all sitting at 100 energy. He seems to be able to spend gas OR minerals, but not both. He's not awful, but if this is the vaunted BW mechanics at work, then SC2 Proleague might be in trouble. He should've been chronoing those gateways and keeping his money down :| Aria? Is the one zerg who played vs Huk, and "Jaedong"? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 11 2012 00:55 Zergneedsfood wrote: I like using FBH as my benchmark for vaunted BW mechanics too. He's such a great standard, especially since he beat Savior in that one game where he floated so much money he could just sit on two bases and make battlecruisers. It's the only one I got. On May 11 2012 01:09 ne4aJIb wrote: Aria? Is the one zerg who played vs Huk, and "Jaedong"? Yeah. A lot of people thought he was a BW pro because of his macro, but he was just some dude in the end who never did much afterwards. The high point for SC2 mechanics so far is Aria, who was noteworthy pretty much solely for macro (Game starts at 5:30) I didn't see much of the "out and about" from FBH, and I was watching his FPVOD. He mostly just stayed in his base. This is not only not revolutionary, it's not even all that good by modern SC2 standards. | ||
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + As Kespa enters the Starcraft 2 scene, fans are already hyping up the match between you and Flash. It will be fun to play against him. However, I’ve seen recent articles about Starcraft 1-Starcraft 2 running in parallel. Frankly, the two games running in parallel is too hard on progamers. I’ve played Starcraft 1 from time to time as a Starcraft 2 gamer and it feels way too different. I regret the fact that Starcraft 1 gamers have to play two games at once. I think the people who decided this were too selfish. They didn’t consider the players at all. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On May 11 2012 00:55 Eywa- wrote: The biggest issue in my opinion is not going to be the ace match, but the mediocre games. Yeah, I'm not shitting on level of play, else my rant would be 1 page long, not 2 lines. I'm just pointing out how even they don't even think the most basic things over. | ||
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Antares_
Poland269 Posts
On May 11 2012 01:24 huehuehuehue wrote: Mvp's thoughts on this: + Show Spoiler + As Kespa enters the Starcraft 2 scene, fans are already hyping up the match between you and Flash. It will be fun to play against him. However, I’ve seen recent articles about Starcraft 1-Starcraft 2 running in parallel. Frankly, the two games running in parallel is too hard on progamers. I’ve played Starcraft 1 from time to time as a Starcraft 2 gamer and it feels way too different. I regret the fact that Starcraft 1 gamers have to play two games at once. I think the people who decided this were too selfish. They didn’t consider the players at all. This is true, yet BW pros doesn't seem to whine about it at all so far. We'll what will happen, but I think that it will only slow their progress in SC2 and make them maybe a little, little bit worse in BW. Only good from this decision is that the BW community will have a smoother switch to SC2, so the game will gain much, much more fans. With a crowd of BW fans joining the SC2 community, we might finally get at ahead of LoL in viewer numbers :D | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On May 11 2012 01:34 Zeetox wrote: This is true, yet BW pros doesn't seem to whine about it at all so far. We'll what will happen, but I think that it will only slow their progress in SC2 and make them maybe a little, little bit worse in BW. Only good from this decision is that the BW community will have a smoother switch to SC2, so the game will gain much, much more fans. With a crowd of BW fans joining the SC2 community, we might finally get at ahead of LoL in viewer numbers :D What makes you think BW fans are going to watch SC2? | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On May 11 2012 01:38 vOdToasT wrote: What makes you think BW fans are going to watch SC2? Are you under the impression that when Flash and Jaedong switch more BW fans won't watch SC2? Those players are still popular in KR, not sure what your reasoning is here. | ||
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Darneck
Sweden1394 Posts
On May 11 2012 01:38 vOdToasT wrote: What makes you think BW fans are going to watch SC2? Because of being fans of the players and not solely the game | ||
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
On May 11 2012 00:47 Ribbon wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=336480 Replays with a protoss Firebathero on Korean top masters. Since Firebathero is confirmed to play under that name, likely the real one. His opponent was a foreign semi-pro, and these are a month old. I ran them through SC2gears to get some numbers. A minute here is a normal human minute, not a Blizzard minute APM: 224 EAPM: 148 Redundancy: 33% Macro APM: 77 Micro APM: 163 Average game length (with a sample size of two PvTs): 17:24 Game 599 Macro seemed solid, but not Aria-level "wow", but he was playing the most passive terran in the world, so he didn't have to defend any pressure or drops. Really not a good game, even for SC2. FBH keeps his money low off two bases, but it starts to creep up a bit when he takes his third. Terran doesn't play that well (no drops, sits under storms), but FBH still loses Game 600, played a week later Most of the same. Terran was not very good (compared to pros), so hard to judge, as he had little pressure. Money issues on 3 base again, getting to 1000/500 at the 15 minute mark. Just before the 20 minute mark, he's at 1300/1300. He makes a bunch of HT after that to spend 1000 of that gas, but still has 4-digit minerals, just chillin', not being zealots, even though he's at 150 supply going zealot/archon. It's not a matter of not enough production, either, as the nexuses in his main, natural, and third are all sitting at 100 energy. He seems to be able to spend gas OR minerals, but not both. He's not awful, but if this is the vaunted BW mechanics at work, then SC2 Proleague might be in trouble. He should've been chronoing those gateways and keeping his money down :| Can't believe you try to analyze a random ladder replay like that in the way you did... hope you realize that it's completely and utterly useless to analyze a ladder replay as you did. Just letting you know, you wasted your time. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On May 11 2012 01:41 Vul wrote: Are you under the impression that when Flash and Jaedong switch more BW fans won't watch SC2? Those players are still popular in KR, not sure what your reasoning is here. Maybe some people will, but I find it strange. I don't care if Mozart makes pop, rap, or country music. I still don't like the music, just because I liked his old music. | ||
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rslee
Canada226 Posts
On the other hand, depending on the lineups they start with at the beginning of the season, there's a higher chance that they will play each other. 1/3 is far better than 1/6. But all in all, there's a much easier chance of sniping ace players. Unless coaches do not include them in the lineup at all, you have a 1/3 chance of sniping. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 11 2012 01:42 Toppp wrote: Can't believe you try to analyze a random ladder replay like that in the way you did... hope you realize that it's completely and utterly useless to analyze a ladder replay as you did. Just letting you know, you wasted your time. How so? Yes, players at a real game > players on the ladder, but this is generic mid-high masters. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On May 11 2012 02:00 rslee wrote: This reminds me that the team strategy will be enhanced by the predictability of who is currently up to play which game on the other team.This has the potential for far less preferred matchups (ie: JvF) because when T8 plays KT, it's possible that Jaedong has to play SC2 and Flash has to play BW. I guess they can meet in the ace, but still.. Eg: We face SKT. Currently for them it's the BW turn to be played by Fantasy, Sun, Soo; and the SC2 turn to be played by Bisu, Best, Hyuk etc. Then the range of which players you expect to see in the BW Bo3 and in the SC2 Bo3 is halved compared to usual. To be unpredictable you need a large team; about twice as large as usual. Small teams like T8 will always have very predictable rosters for each of the two Bo3s, with few opportunities for rotations in their scheme. Eg2: If a team only has 6 players, they'll just end up alternating A1, A2, A3 on BW + B1, B2, B3 on SC2 ; B1, B2, B3 on BW + A1, A2, A3 on SC2. They literally won't have any other choice than to keep sending them this way. On the bright side, this need for larger roster may push more of the usually neglected players to actually be used. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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lexpoa
Brazil73 Posts
I hate the fact that the ACE will be SC 2 but, in a way, it makes things easier for me for the same reasons stated above. | ||
AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
On May 11 2012 02:49 AirbladeOrange wrote: I didn't expect this. Awesome way to keep BW alive! I'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but just in case, this is just a way to usurp the BW fans to the sc2 scene. Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about BW, they just want money | ||
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