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Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
May 10 2012 05:11 GMT
#421
Players must alternate?

So... players must practice both games... and we've seen what that's like, especially in the ODT.

Goodbye, game quality! The SC2 fans won't like it and the BW fans will hate it. What's the point?

This is seriously a stupider decision than just dropping BW entirely. You're already infuriating that fanbase, and you're not gaining anything from it. *shakes head*
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 05:17:44
May 10 2012 05:11 GMT
#422
On May 10 2012 13:56 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 13:51 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:34 hacklebeast wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:29 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:27 ShadeR wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:23 Ribbon wrote:
Protoss are smashing everyone in the GSL at the moment. Blizz says it's on Terran to use mid-game map control to secure a late game advantage. Zerg, as I mentioned, will be stronger tomorrow, but most likely the reason BW players don't like it is because it's a reactive race and they don't know how to react yet. .

This is everything wrong with SC2....
Blizzard knows better than the progamers? And their 50% in all matchups spiel... ughhh....


FWIW, Day9 is in full agreement with Blizzard on this issue. And if they're wrong, Blizzard has shown they can be counted on to do the smart thing as a last resort. (The queen energy buff was basically vetoed by State of the Game, and Maka famously got Void Rays nerfed)

I'd trust Blizzard over Idra



What has blizzard done that was smart?


Mostly reversing their dumb decisions. HotS has multiplayer replay viewing (finally), global play, clan support, unranked matchmaking, and resume from replays, giving Bnet everything people have wanted save LAN (with the resume from replay being a fig leaf). You can say that all should have been in WoL, and I won't dispute that, but better late than never. ("Better late than never" is probably the best attitude to have with Blizzard, frankly).

They fixed PvP to stop it being 4gate vs 4gate every single game.

We got chat channels, at long last. Stalemate detection was a good idea that no one's ever complained about.

The stated goal of HotS is to prevent the deathball syndrome, by making interesting units that are useless in a fight, meaning fewer fighting units, which rewards micro more. I think that's a laudable goal.

The oracle is a great unit.

I mean, yes, ideally this would all be there at launch, but we do get it eventually. I don't think anyone disputes that SC2 now is a substantial improvement over SC2 in 2010.

I think you are confusing the "smart" thing with the "bare minimum to make a functional game" thing. If you ask me what 2+2 is, and I answer "4" after 6 months, it doesn't make me smart, it makes me slightly less stupid than if it took me a year to answer.


While you're not wrong, Blizzard aren't the only company like that. Riot is very similar with League of Legends, I'd chalk it down more to being one of the best biggest games in the world than complete incompetence.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 10 2012 05:13 GMT
#423
On May 10 2012 13:56 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 13:51 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:34 hacklebeast wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:29 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:27 ShadeR wrote:
On May 10 2012 13:23 Ribbon wrote:
Protoss are smashing everyone in the GSL at the moment. Blizz says it's on Terran to use mid-game map control to secure a late game advantage. Zerg, as I mentioned, will be stronger tomorrow, but most likely the reason BW players don't like it is because it's a reactive race and they don't know how to react yet. .

This is everything wrong with SC2....
Blizzard knows better than the progamers? And their 50% in all matchups spiel... ughhh....


FWIW, Day9 is in full agreement with Blizzard on this issue. And if they're wrong, Blizzard has shown they can be counted on to do the smart thing as a last resort. (The queen energy buff was basically vetoed by State of the Game, and Maka famously got Void Rays nerfed)

I'd trust Blizzard over Idra



What has blizzard done that was smart?


Mostly reversing their dumb decisions. HotS has multiplayer replay viewing (finally), global play, clan support, unranked matchmaking, and resume from replays, giving Bnet everything people have wanted save LAN (with the resume from replay being a fig leaf). You can say that all should have been in WoL, and I won't dispute that, but better late than never. ("Better late than never" is probably the best attitude to have with Blizzard, frankly).

They fixed PvP to stop it being 4gate vs 4gate every single game.

We got chat channels, at long last. Stalemate detection was a good idea that no one's ever complained about.

The stated goal of HotS is to prevent the deathball syndrome, by making interesting units that are useless in a fight, meaning fewer fighting units, which rewards micro more. I think that's a laudable goal.

The oracle is a great unit.

I mean, yes, ideally this would all be there at launch, but we do get it eventually. I don't think anyone disputes that SC2 now is a substantial improvement over SC2 in 2010.

I think you are confusing the "smart" thing with the "bare minimum to make a functional game" thing. If you ask me what 2+2 is, and I answer "4" after 6 months, it doesn't make me smart, it makes me slightly less stupid than if it took me a year to answer.


Well, actually, it's more evil than dumb.

When I log into SC2, I enter my bnet info. I then get a screen with a single button, "Ribbon" (or, "Cascade" now, since I changed my name). I click the Ribbon button to sign in to the game. It's a completely pointless screen in WoL. That screen is pretty clearly there so that, in HotS, I can select which server I want to play on. But that functionality is being saved for HotS.

BW did that too, actually, with the new units having been made during the dev of vanilla SC.
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
May 10 2012 05:14 GMT
#424
So soon? =(
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
May 10 2012 05:14 GMT
#425
Interesting, Calm and the other Zergs are like "fuck this, I'm switching" and then Rush changes from T to Z? I guess he doesn't watch much GSL. Looks like even Fanta decided against the switch.

There's one thing I don't get though:

BW/SC2 Mix
If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing.

What does this mean? Let's say the lineups are:

Bisu vs Killer
Fanta vs Baby
Best vs Jaedong

If Bisu and Fanta win, does that mean that Best gets a win recorded against Jaedong without even playing? That can't be right. Can someone explain this?
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 10 2012 05:15 GMT
#426
On May 10 2012 14:14 FuRong wrote:
Interesting, Calm and the other Zergs are like "fuck this, I'm switching" and then Rush changes from T to Z? I guess he doesn't watch much GSL. Looks like even Fanta decided against the switch.

There's one thing I don't get though:

BW/SC2 Mix
If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing.

What does this mean? Let's say the lineups are:

Bisu vs Killer
Fanta vs Baby
Best vs Jaedong

If Bisu and Fanta win, does that mean that Best gets a win recorded against Jaedong without even playing? That can't be right. Can someone explain this?


It just means that they can't play in the second half of the matches if they are registered to play in the first I think? even if they don't get to play.
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 05:16:08
May 10 2012 05:16 GMT
#427
On May 10 2012 14:11 Kanil wrote:
Players must alternate?

So... players must practice both games... and we've seen what that's like, especially in the ODT.

Goodbye, game quality! The SC2 fans won't like it and the BW fans will hate it. What's the point?

This is seriously a stupider decision than just dropping BW entirely. You're already infuriating that fanbase, and you're not gaining anything from it. *shakes head*

What does the ODT have to do with SC2 or practicing two games? Explain for someone who hasn't followed BW for a year or two.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Incanus
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada695 Posts
May 10 2012 05:18 GMT
#428
On May 10 2012 14:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 14:14 FuRong wrote:
Interesting, Calm and the other Zergs are like "fuck this, I'm switching" and then Rush changes from T to Z? I guess he doesn't watch much GSL. Looks like even Fanta decided against the switch.

There's one thing I don't get though:

BW/SC2 Mix
If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing.

What does this mean? Let's say the lineups are:

Bisu vs Killer
Fanta vs Baby
Best vs Jaedong

If Bisu and Fanta win, does that mean that Best gets a win recorded against Jaedong without even playing? That can't be right. Can someone explain this?


It just means that they can't play in the second half of the matches if they are registered to play in the first I think? even if they don't get to play.

I believe it counts as Best and Jaedong both having played their SC2 match, so their next match must be in BW.
Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
May 10 2012 05:18 GMT
#429
On May 10 2012 14:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 14:14 FuRong wrote:
Interesting, Calm and the other Zergs are like "fuck this, I'm switching" and then Rush changes from T to Z? I guess he doesn't watch much GSL. Looks like even Fanta decided against the switch.

There's one thing I don't get though:

BW/SC2 Mix
If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing.

What does this mean? Let's say the lineups are:

Bisu vs Killer
Fanta vs Baby
Best vs Jaedong

If Bisu and Fanta win, does that mean that Best gets a win recorded against Jaedong without even playing? That can't be right. Can someone explain this?


It just means that they can't play in the second half of the matches if they are registered to play in the first I think? even if they don't get to play.


i think it means that best will have to play sc2 the next time he plays?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
May 10 2012 05:19 GMT
#430
On May 10 2012 14:15 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 14:14 FuRong wrote:
Interesting, Calm and the other Zergs are like "fuck this, I'm switching" and then Rush changes from T to Z? I guess he doesn't watch much GSL. Looks like even Fanta decided against the switch.

There's one thing I don't get though:

BW/SC2 Mix
If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing.

What does this mean? Let's say the lineups are:

Bisu vs Killer
Fanta vs Baby
Best vs Jaedong

If Bisu and Fanta win, does that mean that Best gets a win recorded against Jaedong without even playing? That can't be right. Can someone explain this?


It just means that they can't play in the second half of the matches if they are registered to play in the first I think? even if they don't get to play.


Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I guess that means coaches will avoid sending their strongest players in sets 3 or 6 because of the chance of them not even getting to play.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
forgehammer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States79 Posts
May 10 2012 05:19 GMT
#431
On May 10 2012 14:14 FuRong wrote:
Interesting, Calm and the other Zergs are like "fuck this, I'm switching" and then Rush changes from T to Z? I guess he doesn't watch much GSL. Looks like even Fanta decided against the switch.

There's one thing I don't get though:

BW/SC2 Mix
If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing.

What does this mean? Let's say the lineups are:

Bisu vs Killer
Fanta vs Baby
Best vs Jaedong

If Bisu and Fanta win, does that mean that Best gets a win recorded against Jaedong without even playing? That can't be right. Can someone explain this?

I would guess that it means Best and Jaedong can't play for the SC2 portion of the match, but they don't get a win/loss from it.

Also, are they seriously just using ladder maps? It seems like they could've just asked, I don't know, anybody, who is currently involved in SC2 whether that was a good idea or not and gotten a unanimous "No."
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
May 10 2012 05:20 GMT
#432
On May 10 2012 14:16 Incanus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 14:11 Kanil wrote:
Players must alternate?

So... players must practice both games... and we've seen what that's like, especially in the ODT.

Goodbye, game quality! The SC2 fans won't like it and the BW fans will hate it. What's the point?

This is seriously a stupider decision than just dropping BW entirely. You're already infuriating that fanbase, and you're not gaining anything from it. *shakes head*

What does the ODT have to do with SC2 or practicing two games? Explain for someone who hasn't followed BW for a year or two.


ODT games were awful, most likely because players were splitting training time between the 2 games.
@x5_MegaFonzie
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
May 10 2012 05:21 GMT
#433
Should be interesting to say the least.

FBH is going to dominate I think, I have not heard of any current BW player being better than him in SC2. I've also seen him play several games against current SC2 pros but I really don't remember how the games went. T.T
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FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
May 10 2012 05:21 GMT
#434
You're right, I just noticed that. Admittedly, all of the ones they chose are in the current GSL map pool, but I'm disappointed they left out Daybreak.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 10 2012 05:21 GMT
#435
Oh Jesus Christ...

God help me.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44351 Posts
May 10 2012 05:23 GMT
#436
This looks awesome! Can't wait for the official race line-ups
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 05:26:32
May 10 2012 05:25 GMT
#437
This is interesting how it seems the BW players are going through the meta-game developments that most of the world has evolved beyond.

For example, being forced to learn the hard way that the ladder maps are not a good idea for tournaments (although these aren't nearly as bad as what the GSL started on). Another example being that they mostly seem to think Zerg is weak and their Zergs are having a hard time.

While Zerg has really been the weakest race since the beginning, we've (Zerg players) come a long way. I'd say that really only PvZ is touched with a bit of imbalance. I don't think anyone could really seriously say that TvZ is imbalanced anymore (and with the Z buffs coming tomorrow, Z grows even stronger). Maybe Zergs are having a hard time simply because of the map selection. Antiga and Entombed particularly are not that good for Zerg.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
May 10 2012 05:25 GMT
#438
Ladder maps = BitByBit all day
tianGO
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina591 Posts
May 10 2012 05:40 GMT
#439
All of those sc2 maps are in the current season of the GSL.
If they force cross spawns and remove the gold in Antiga (the other 3 maps don't have gold), I think the map pool is pretty decent.
"He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future."
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 10 2012 05:41 GMT
#440
"If your name is submitted for the 3rd game but the Bo3 is is 2-0, it still counts as you playing."
dont get it ... what ?
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