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Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
April 30 2012 00:47 GMT
#121
IMO anyone who bought into that post-BW plans thread was a BW hipster anyway You don't quit BW, BW quits you.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
April 30 2012 00:49 GMT
#122
I don't mind making a one-time donation even if it's a larger sum, assuming it's actually something worthwhile like the first TSL. The monthly donations really don't make sense. It'll just deteriorate over time.

Tournaments really need sponsors, rather than polling money from fans.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
April 30 2012 00:56 GMT
#123
I agree. When you start to fund and invest interest outside of your personal entertainment into a hobby strictly for enjoyment, you ruin the sensation and zest in that interest. If anything, a sponsor recruiting thread would be more fit to reach your goals.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 01:15:04
April 30 2012 01:14 GMT
#124
Automatic port-forwarding and some kind of auto-matchmaking based on ELO would go a LOOOOOONG way towards adding to the player base (it'd certainly get me playing a lot more BW!)

On April 30 2012 09:49 Cambium wrote:
I don't mind making a one-time donation even if it's a larger sum, assuming it's actually something worthwhile like the first TSL. The monthly donations really don't make sense. It'll just deteriorate over time.

Tournaments really need sponsors, rather than polling money from fans.


Fan money brings sponsor money.

Game, check your e-mail
Starburst
Profile Joined November 2011
United States108 Posts
April 30 2012 01:20 GMT
#125
On April 30 2012 09:40 maltey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 09:30 Game wrote:
On April 30 2012 09:27 maltey wrote:
On April 30 2012 09:01 ImbaTosS wrote:
As far as I can tell, trying to get foreigners involved in Korean stuff is the best factor which has come out of this thread. For example, if we knew of Korean amateur tournaments, could access the Fish website more easily, that could really make a start. Along with playing with them- I don't mean necessarily with the best amateurs. I mean the ones with whom we could go more toe-to-toe, and start to build bridges.

CaucasianAsian, are there Korean team/individual leagues for players more of a skilled foreigner's level, which you know of? That would be the place to start.

Yeah I agree with you which is why I have switched focus here recently.

Actually the best thing to come out of this thread IMHO is the other threads that have started recently. I'm probably taking too much credit, ie it's probably a coincidence, but right after my thread all these other awesome threads suddenly popped up like jaevlaterran's, ninazerg's etc. If nothing else, hopefully the conversation has changed from the fatalist ones that had been in BW general before.

BTW your casting was brilliant yesterday. (and hacklebeast's of course) You must have the best vocabulary of any caster I've ever heard. Maybe its just your accent makes you seem really smart.

You are taking too much credit


Lol I'm certain I am taking too much credit, but that makes no sense to me at all. I wasn't saying I did anything near what L_master and his group did. (Which BTW I linked to this thread in the OP this morning after reading it all last night) if you read my post I was talking about a shift in the recent BW General conversation from the "Your post-BW plans" thread and all the other SC2 v BW debate threads to Jaevlaterran's and ninazerg's threads plus someone resurrecting L_master's thread (Starburst I think).

I haven't done crap, but at least the conversation changed.

EDIT: btw that very thread was ressurected by starburst who linked to my thread btw. Lol.

Representin' for them gangstas all across the world.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
April 30 2012 01:43 GMT
#126
On April 30 2012 10:14 Ribbon wrote:
Automatic port-forwarding and some kind of auto-matchmaking based on ELO would go a LOOOOOONG way towards adding to the player base (it'd certainly get me playing a lot more BW!)

Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 09:49 Cambium wrote:
I don't mind making a one-time donation even if it's a larger sum, assuming it's actually something worthwhile like the first TSL. The monthly donations really don't make sense. It'll just deteriorate over time.

Tournaments really need sponsors, rather than polling money from fans.


Fan money brings sponsor money.

Game, check your e-mail

First part: After my finals tomorrow and Tuesday, I'm going to find the time to write a thread about my ELO initiative which I basically just need help on.

Second part: ^^
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 02:18:28
April 30 2012 02:12 GMT
#127
@ ribbon thats exactly my view. I'm trying to talk to some TL programmers about how difficult that would be to implement.

@ game it probably should become a sponsor recruiting thread. I'll add that to the OP when i get home.

@everyone Also, I'm not sure what the big deal is with paying 3, 5, or 10 $ a month voluntarily vs having to pay 20 bucks a month for gsl? IMO if we ever do get some content out it cant be behind a paywall. Sc2 can do that cause its new and shiny but we cant right? If we can get someone or someones willing to sponsor us right away i'm all for that. I imagine though that game and clan had go to hell and back just to scrounge up what he did for basically a once a year tourney. I was hoping several months down the road we'd have a few of the hardcore supporting the content then a year or two down the road a sponsor or two if this _long shot_ project were to be actually successful.

EDIT: Grammar
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
April 30 2012 02:18 GMT
#128
Hmm.. ISL1 Feb 2011, ISL2 June 2011, took a break and retired to focus on school, came back with ISL3 Feb 2012... it's really not once a year, also had 16 tournaments from $75-300 in between those times so that there could be BW every single Saturday. It's indeed hard to find sponsors, but has become easier over time once you know who you're dealing with and what to do and look for. Also, GSL is a multi-million dollar production and deserves to be able to charge a membership fee. Like anything in business, you can't ask for money for a production, you have to give the production and convince people it's good enough to splurge on. I don't believe small monthly donations would be beneficial, rather larger (between 25-100) once every _x_ months as a supporter could afford it, once a product is presented to them.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 03:07:43
April 30 2012 02:31 GMT
#129
On April 30 2012 11:18 Game wrote:
Hmm.. ISL1 Feb 2011, ISL2 June 2011, took a break and retired to focus on school, came back with ISL3 Feb 2012... it's really not once a year, also had 16 tournaments from $75-300 in between those times so that there could be BW every single Saturday. It's indeed hard to find sponsors, but has become easier over time once you know who you're dealing with and what to do and look for. Also, GSL is a multi-million dollar production and deserves to be able to charge a membership fee. Like anything in business, you can't ask for money for a production, you have to give the production and convince people it's good enough to splurge on. I don't believe small monthly donations would be beneficial, rather larger (between 25-100) once every _x_ months as a supporter could afford it, once a product is presented to them.


I stand corrected sir. Well done. ISL 2 finished up in august I remembered that but hadn't seen ISL 1 so I made some assumptions. Sorry.

As far as the rest goes. That's exactly the concept: IF a product were presented to them would TL find the model acceptable. This is all an attempt to get the community involved in theorycrafting if you haven't noticed. This isn't "herp derp give me money monthly plox maybe youll get something maybe ya wont lulz"

EDIT: I should clarify. Right now all we have is CaucasianAsian's connection to the amateur scene who are very willing to participate in tournaments. Cool.

Step 2: Market Research What would the market, which is TL, bear? Like any business, you usually do research before you actually invest in a product.

EDIT 2: I should have read this post again after I wrote it. I apologize to game then I follow that apology up by being a total dick. LOL. That makes sense. (ofc, it was intended more as a joke but it certainly didn't come off that way)
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
April 30 2012 02:36 GMT
#130
Just giving a realistic explanation of a feasible model man, don't get offended. I wouldn't post in this thread if I didn't think it was constructive.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 02:45:00
April 30 2012 02:44 GMT
#131
On April 30 2012 11:36 Game wrote:
Just giving a realistic explanation of a feasible model man, don't get offended. I wouldn't post in this thread if I didn't think it was constructive.


I apologize. I think the internets didn't convey my feelings. It was supposed to be more joking than reactionary. Should have thrown a winky face on the end.

I was riled up though to be sure.

Thanks for your help sir.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
April 30 2012 02:57 GMT
#132
If and where big sponsors cannot be found, smaller businesses can sponsor individual match days I suppose. That's less of a risk, though it does require finding more companies.
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 30 2012 03:03 GMT
#133
On April 30 2012 11:57 Nylan wrote:
If and where big sponsors cannot be found, smaller businesses can sponsor individual match days I suppose. That's less of a risk, though it does require finding more companies.


Yep. And that's what Game did for the ISL's. Maybe it can't be done but what I think we're really looking for is consistency. Can we somehow fund a league with good production value and attract the highest level BW players in Korea.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11579 Posts
April 30 2012 03:30 GMT
#134
Pro gamers 99% of the time are not allowed to play in non-pro leagues in case of leaked replays etc...
Calendar@ Fish Server: `iOps]..Stark
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 30 2012 03:37 GMT
#135
On April 30 2012 12:30 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Pro gamers 99% of the time are not allowed to play in non-pro leagues in case of leaked replays etc...

Is this referring to my last post? Because i actually meant korean amateurs sorry. Should have said highest level after bw pros switch to sc2 or something like that.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
miscelaneous
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States67 Posts
April 30 2012 05:31 GMT
#136
On April 30 2012 12:30 CaucasianAsian wrote:
Pro gamers 99% of the time are not allowed to play in non-pro leagues in case of leaked replays etc...

Really? I guess they don't want people getting strategies directly from the source.
...
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
April 30 2012 10:03 GMT
#137
On April 30 2012 09:47 Game wrote:
IMO anyone who bought into that post-BW plans thread was a BW hipster anyway You don't quit BW, BW quits you.


And in Soviet Russia minerals mine you
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
shenlong
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
219 Posts
April 30 2012 14:26 GMT
#138
I'd love to see some Fish server based leagues with korean teams invited. Like big world wide tournament
TehRei
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden261 Posts
April 30 2012 16:52 GMT
#139
I figure I could probably part with around 50$ a month if that means I get some high-level BW casted for it. Seeing as I'll probably start studying again this fall I don't know for how long I could keep that up, but I'm sure I could at least contribute a small sum of money for as long as someone else is willing to organize a tournament.

Dunno if this particular idea will work out -- put it could, and if so I'm willing to give some money if that's what it takes. Otherwise there should be other BW-tournaments that wouldn't say no to an increase in pricepool.
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 30 2012 19:28 GMT
#140
On May 01 2012 01:52 TehRei wrote:
I figure I could probably part with around 50$ a month if that means I get some high-level BW casted for it. Seeing as I'll probably start studying again this fall I don't know for how long I could keep that up, but I'm sure I could at least contribute a small sum of money for as long as someone else is willing to organize a tournament.

Dunno if this particular idea will work out -- put it could, and if so I'm willing to give some money if that's what it takes. Otherwise there should be other BW-tournaments that wouldn't say no to an increase in pricepool.


Make sure you join Jaevlaterran's group then It's here.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
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