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maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 29 2012 18:48 GMT
#101
Updated OP with polls. I now think this thread should focus entirely on Korean Amateur BW/Foreigner tourneys and content. If we want to work on Strengthening Foreign BW we should go to this thread.

"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 29 2012 19:01 GMT
#102
When summer arrives, and I go back to my job, I am willing to pay 100 dollars per mouth for a tournament. Actually screw that, I am hiring a Korean translator and getting BW lessons from MJY
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 19:41:17
April 29 2012 19:16 GMT
#103
Obviously votes are only just coming in but if people think this isn't worthwhile should we consider dropping it? As there's no point if the majority of the community isn't behind it?

EDIT: if we can get 200 people to average 5$/mo we could hold an individual league tourney with a 2000$ prize pool every two months. Or we could go every three months and hire some professional work done with the extra 1000$.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11601 Posts
April 29 2012 20:30 GMT
#104
people are saying it is worthwhile, just some people are nits and don't like to donate money for their entertainment!
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Jaevlaterran
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden578 Posts
April 29 2012 21:33 GMT
#105
Well, funding is always the toughest nut. My system of paying in Sweden is based on the investment style idea that somewhere the donation grows to make the whole thing more worth it.

A Swede pays $7:50 a year to donate $7:50 + $9 + a part of the $600 that the organization gets as a whole = with the current ammount of members around $102. So each person is by paying $7:50 while donating $102. That is much more fun than paying and donating 50$. Unfortunately one can't just start 50 of those organizations and get the standard $600 from them all, but there are other ways to gather money.

I have some ideas on how to get some more structure to this, but I just want to get my little swedish group up and running first. That would at least guarantee a constant small, but at least efficient inflow of capital. It is fairly obvious that we need to realize that our role as a gaming community did change the day we all read the thread about the switch here in forum. Now we need to get some sort of foundation, not just discussing on a forum. There needs to be something more stable.

Need a light?
Starburst
Profile Joined November 2011
United States108 Posts
April 29 2012 22:13 GMT
#106
On April 30 2012 00:29 CakeOrI)eath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2012 23:51 L3gendary wrote:
Even if we lose it might motivate a bunch of players of all leagues to practice more with the goal of making it on the "foreigner" team.


Haha, I could see a global proleague where the foreigner team is the "Air Force Ace" of the league. Lose almost every game but still participate to promote involvement.

I lol'd pretty hard at this. But I'd be down. It would give me a reason to practice. Unfortunately, Georgia tech unintentionally blocked the IP for iCCup, so i havent played in months.
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11601 Posts
April 29 2012 22:17 GMT
#107
try playing fish server then
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Starburst
Profile Joined November 2011
United States108 Posts
April 29 2012 22:32 GMT
#108
Even with my entire computer's settings in korean (yes i've read all the gateway guides), the game titles and channel titles are just squares. :/
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 22:39:24
April 29 2012 22:38 GMT
#109
On April 30 2012 04:16 maltey wrote:
Obviously votes are only just coming in but if people think this isn't worthwhile should we consider dropping it? As there's no point if the majority of the community isn't behind it?

EDIT: if we can get 200 people to average 5$/mo we could hold an individual league tourney with a 2000$ prize pool every two months. Or we could go every three months and hire some professional work done with the extra 1000$.

A system that relies on regular, mass donations is really dumb....

What is the point of a $2000 prize pool? Like, to the viewer and the participants, what is the difference between 2000, and 1500? 1500 and 750? You could go to 500 before it starts feelings small.

Who is going to manage the money? I've seen at least 20 blogs about iCCup corruption lol, and they pretty much all work for free!

I don't know, this seems weird, and even weirder that you want prize pools to be donated money. Was TSL1 and 2 awesome just because they had big prize pools? Not at all. They were awesome because they were well produced and had entertaining casters. Being able to have a large prize pool because of Razer taking them seriously was dandy, but that is a side affect of being well produced, not what made TSL well produced.

~~ just my thoughts. Not trying to be arrogant but it's worth doing a double take on your donations idea ;p
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11601 Posts
April 29 2012 22:38 GMT
#110
just to make sure,

Make sure you have downloaded and installed the korean language pack
change all your regional, date, and time settings to Korea.
add Korean keyboard
Install microsoft office (somehow this fixed it for me)

This thread helped me.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282341
Calendar@ Fish Server: `iOps]..Stark
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 29 2012 22:45 GMT
#111
On April 30 2012 06:33 Jaevlaterran wrote:
Well, funding is always the toughest nut. My system of paying in Sweden is based on the investment style idea that somewhere the donation grows to make the whole thing more worth it.

A Swede pays $7:50 a year to donate $7:50 + $9 + a part of the $600 that the organization gets as a whole = with the current ammount of members around $102. So each person is by paying $7:50 while donating $102. That is much more fun than paying and donating 50$. Unfortunately one can't just start 50 of those organizations and get the standard $600 from them all, but there are other ways to gather money.

I have some ideas on how to get some more structure to this, but I just want to get my little swedish group up and running first. That would at least guarantee a constant small, but at least efficient inflow of capital. It is fairly obvious that we need to realize that our role as a gaming community did change the day we all read the thread about the switch here in forum. Now we need to get some sort of foundation, not just discussing on a forum. There needs to be something more stable.


Thanks man, what you're doing is awesome. So are you thinking along the same lines as I am with a community run org?
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Starburst
Profile Joined November 2011
United States108 Posts
April 29 2012 22:49 GMT
#112
On April 30 2012 07:38 CaucasianAsian wrote:
just to make sure,

Make sure you have downloaded and installed the korean language pack
change all your regional, date, and time settings to Korea.
add Korean keyboard
Install microsoft office (somehow this fixed it for me)

This thread helped me.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282341

Ya. I'll try it again when I get back to room, but for now, studying for finals is my priority.
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 29 2012 23:04 GMT
#113
On April 30 2012 07:38 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:16 maltey wrote:
Obviously votes are only just coming in but if people think this isn't worthwhile should we consider dropping it? As there's no point if the majority of the community isn't behind it?

EDIT: if we can get 200 people to average 5$/mo we could hold an individual league tourney with a 2000$ prize pool every two months. Or we could go every three months and hire some professional work done with the extra 1000$.

A system that relies on regular, mass donations is really dumb....

What is the point of a $2000 prize pool? Like, to the viewer and the participants, what is the difference between 2000, and 1500? 1500 and 750? You could go to 500 before it starts feelings small.

Who is going to manage the money? I've seen at least 20 blogs about iCCup corruption lol, and they pretty much all work for free!

I don't know, this seems weird, and even weirder that you want prize pools to be donated money. Was TSL1 and 2 awesome just because they had big prize pools? Not at all. They were awesome because they were well produced and had entertaining casters. Being able to have a large prize pool because of Razer taking them seriously was dandy, but that is a side affect of being well produced, not what made TSL well produced.

~~ just my thoughts. Not trying to be arrogant but it's worth doing a double take on your donations idea ;p


Lol i dont care if the prize pool is ten dollars if thats all it takes to support the scene. And the only reason I was thinking regular donations is so that we can avoid putting the content behind a paywall. I'm throwing ideas out there, not saying, "This how shit's gonna be TL!"

You're right prize pools dont make the event exciting its the players. But the prize pools attract the best players. what we want is the highest level possible brood war which after the switch probably means amateur/semi-pro koreans plus hopefully a handful of foreigners. How much does it take to make that happen and hopefully on a consistent basis.

As far as corruption, thats why i was hoping for an open, community-controlled organization (definitely not by me, i have no time due to weird work schedules). Thats probably pie-in-the-sky as well though. :p

Jaevlaterran's work is by far the most promising.

Youre probably right but me and many others here i think are pretty desperate

"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Jaevlaterran
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden578 Posts
April 29 2012 23:30 GMT
#114
On April 30 2012 07:45 maltey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 06:33 Jaevlaterran wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well, funding is always the toughest nut. My system of paying in Sweden is based on the investment style idea that somewhere the donation grows to make the whole thing more worth it.

A Swede pays $7:50 a year to donate $7:50 + $9 + a part of the $600 that the organization gets as a whole = with the current ammount of members around $102. So each person is by paying $7:50 while donating $102. That is much more fun than paying and donating 50$. Unfortunately one can't just start 50 of those organizations and get the standard $600 from them all, but there are other ways to gather money.

I have some ideas on how to get some more structure to this, but I just want to get my little swedish group up and running first. That would at least guarantee a constant small, but at least efficient inflow of capital. It is fairly obvious that we need to realize that our role as a gaming community did change the day we all read the thread about the switch here in forum. Now we need to get some sort of foundation, not just discussing on a forum. There needs to be something more stable.


Thanks man, what you're doing is awesome. So are you thinking along the same lines as I am with a community run org?


Yeah. There needs to be a fanbased organization to coordinate our efforts. Like this we are still just a few forumites talking really. I'm thinking along the(tv series) Firefly fan organization. A few years ago they raised $100 000 to make a movie IIRC even tho the TV series probably died 10 years ago.

I've seen L_Masters ideas too from the BW initiative thread. They seem to have a lot in common with this thread. There's a website and stuff on the way there and it seems to me like these threads are very much alike, even tho his thread is older.
Need a light?
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
April 29 2012 23:45 GMT
#115
On April 30 2012 08:30 Jaevlaterran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 07:45 maltey wrote:
On April 30 2012 06:33 Jaevlaterran wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Well, funding is always the toughest nut. My system of paying in Sweden is based on the investment style idea that somewhere the donation grows to make the whole thing more worth it.

A Swede pays $7:50 a year to donate $7:50 + $9 + a part of the $600 that the organization gets as a whole = with the current ammount of members around $102. So each person is by paying $7:50 while donating $102. That is much more fun than paying and donating 50$. Unfortunately one can't just start 50 of those organizations and get the standard $600 from them all, but there are other ways to gather money.

I have some ideas on how to get some more structure to this, but I just want to get my little swedish group up and running first. That would at least guarantee a constant small, but at least efficient inflow of capital. It is fairly obvious that we need to realize that our role as a gaming community did change the day we all read the thread about the switch here in forum. Now we need to get some sort of foundation, not just discussing on a forum. There needs to be something more stable.


Thanks man, what you're doing is awesome. So are you thinking along the same lines as I am with a community run org?


Yeah. There needs to be a fanbased organization to coordinate our efforts. Like this we are still just a few forumites talking really. I'm thinking along the(tv series) Firefly fan organization. A few years ago they raised $100 000 to make a movie IIRC even tho the TV series probably died 10 years ago.

I've seen L_Masters ideas too from the BW initiative thread. They seem to have a lot in common with this thread. There's a website and stuff on the way there and it seems to me like these threads are very much alike, even tho his thread is older.

I read a lot of the thread and the tlbwinitiative forums. Their ideas were far better than anything i could come up with so I just linked to l_master's thread in the OP.

And thanks for the firefly fan org suggestion and your support.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1717 Posts
April 30 2012 00:01 GMT
#116
As far as I can tell, trying to get foreigners involved in Korean stuff is the best factor which has come out of this thread. For example, if we knew of Korean amateur tournaments, could access the Fish website more easily, that could really make a start. Along with playing with them- I don't mean necessarily with the best amateurs. I mean the ones with whom we could go more toe-to-toe, and start to build bridges.

CaucasianAsian, are there Korean team/individual leagues for players more of a skilled foreigner's level, which you know of? That would be the place to start.
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11601 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 00:14:37
April 30 2012 00:13 GMT
#117
there is a fish server clan league with various divisions similar to iccup (no prize money). The teams you see in the channel tab on fish, are the teams who are registered for the various leagues iirc.

Although I don't know the details of it, or how to register a team on fish. if you're interested in this then someone with better korean than mine wouldn't mind messaging an admin on fish and ask them about the process ("/admins all" will let you see which admins are online).

I don't know about any mid. level korean leagues, sorry.
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maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 00:29:17
April 30 2012 00:27 GMT
#118
On April 30 2012 09:01 ImbaTosS wrote:
As far as I can tell, trying to get foreigners involved in Korean stuff is the best factor which has come out of this thread. For example, if we knew of Korean amateur tournaments, could access the Fish website more easily, that could really make a start. Along with playing with them- I don't mean necessarily with the best amateurs. I mean the ones with whom we could go more toe-to-toe, and start to build bridges.

CaucasianAsian, are there Korean team/individual leagues for players more of a skilled foreigner's level, which you know of? That would be the place to start.

Yeah I agree with you which is why I have switched focus here recently.

Actually the best thing to come out of this thread IMHO is the other threads that have started recently. I'm probably taking too much credit, ie it's probably a coincidence, but right after my thread all these other awesome threads suddenly popped up like jaevlaterran's, ninazerg's etc. If nothing else, hopefully the conversation has changed from the fatalist ones that had been in BW general before.

BTW your casting was brilliant yesterday. (and hacklebeast's of course) You must have the best vocabulary of any caster I've ever heard. Maybe its just your accent makes you seem really smart.
"Be relentlessly positive." "There's nothing cooler than being proud of what you love." --day[9]
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
April 30 2012 00:30 GMT
#119
On April 30 2012 09:27 maltey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 09:01 ImbaTosS wrote:
As far as I can tell, trying to get foreigners involved in Korean stuff is the best factor which has come out of this thread. For example, if we knew of Korean amateur tournaments, could access the Fish website more easily, that could really make a start. Along with playing with them- I don't mean necessarily with the best amateurs. I mean the ones with whom we could go more toe-to-toe, and start to build bridges.

CaucasianAsian, are there Korean team/individual leagues for players more of a skilled foreigner's level, which you know of? That would be the place to start.

Yeah I agree with you which is why I have switched focus here recently.

Actually the best thing to come out of this thread IMHO is the other threads that have started recently. I'm probably taking too much credit, ie it's probably a coincidence, but right after my thread all these other awesome threads suddenly popped up like jaevlaterran's, ninazerg's etc. If nothing else, hopefully the conversation has changed from the fatalist ones that had been in BW general before.

BTW your casting was brilliant yesterday. (and hacklebeast's of course) You must have the best vocabulary of any caster I've ever heard. Maybe its just your accent makes you seem really smart.

You are taking too much credit
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
maltey
Profile Joined August 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-30 01:06:22
April 30 2012 00:40 GMT
#120
On April 30 2012 09:30 Game wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 09:27 maltey wrote:
On April 30 2012 09:01 ImbaTosS wrote:
As far as I can tell, trying to get foreigners involved in Korean stuff is the best factor which has come out of this thread. For example, if we knew of Korean amateur tournaments, could access the Fish website more easily, that could really make a start. Along with playing with them- I don't mean necessarily with the best amateurs. I mean the ones with whom we could go more toe-to-toe, and start to build bridges.

CaucasianAsian, are there Korean team/individual leagues for players more of a skilled foreigner's level, which you know of? That would be the place to start.

Yeah I agree with you which is why I have switched focus here recently.

Actually the best thing to come out of this thread IMHO is the other threads that have started recently. I'm probably taking too much credit, ie it's probably a coincidence, but right after my thread all these other awesome threads suddenly popped up like jaevlaterran's, ninazerg's etc. If nothing else, hopefully the conversation has changed from the fatalist ones that had been in BW general before.

BTW your casting was brilliant yesterday. (and hacklebeast's of course) You must have the best vocabulary of any caster I've ever heard. Maybe its just your accent makes you seem really smart.

You are taking too much credit


Lol I'm certain I am taking too much credit, but that makes no sense to me at all. I wasn't saying I did anything near what L_master and his group did. (Which BTW I linked to this thread in the OP this morning after reading it all last night) if you read my post I was talking about a shift in the recent BW General conversation from the "Your post-BW plans" thread and all the other SC2 v BW debate threads to Jaevlaterran's and ninazerg's threads plus someone resurrecting L_master's thread (Starburst I think).

I haven't done crap, but at least the conversation changed.

EDIT: btw that very thread was ressurected by starburst who linked to my thread btw. Lol.
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