EPTBW For Life! or Helping BW Thrive - Page 9
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maltey
United States38 Posts
On May 01 2012 13:13 Game wrote: There will never be no professional BW. Also, maltey, I hope I didn't give you the idea that I wanted to hijack any project or even organize it, I was simply giving constructive feedback for something I'd have interest in keeping a close eye on. Oh hell no. Not at all. I've misinterpreted a few of your posts but I think I understand where you're coming from now.  I just want people in general to recognize CA has taken point on this and is the natural lead (I know I sure as hell ain't ). Maybe I'm wrong. It was more like a nomination thing. And I have no gripes at all with your involvement and appreciate what you've done so far. The back-and-forth has helped clarify my thought process even if we don't agree at all times.On May 01 2012 13:17 CakeOrI)eath wrote: I agree with CaucasianAsian. We might have lost most of the good foreigner players and even tournaments to sc2 (TSL etc.) but we still have some foreign only tourneys and events. Game, along with others, have done remarkable work keeping those alive. The true thing that many of us fear losing is the professional sc1 Korean scene and broadcasts. To me this thread is about keeping the spirit of that alive and available to foreigners to watch. This might just mean finding better ways to tune into Korean amateur tournaments that are already going on (and possibly donating to them). It might mean funding our own tourney for the Koreans to play in. Either would mean crossing a lot of cultural barriers. I honestly don't know why its so hard for foreigners to access fish/afreeka. It seems the Koreans have no interest in making themselves available to us either through ignorance, apathy, or national pride (sc is Korean sport, gtfo everyone else). At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what reason it is, that's where the money comes in. If we make it clear we are willing to pay to watch high level bw, I'm confident that will change most of their attitudes. To start off that money is going to have to come mostly, if not entirely, from viewer donations. I think we all agree we don't want a pay wall since we want to grow viewership, not kill it. While that model might actually be sustainable, I am personally hoping that we could actually grow viewership to the point that advertisers would be tempted to take over, or at least help. Either way, that is a long way off and it'ss assuming the KR progamers fully switch over to sc2 (I personally am still hoping they switch back to sc1 after this one year, and none of this will matter but I know its wishful thinking) The thing I will agree with Game about is mixing the foreigners in. As much as I would LOVE to see our best players at least take a game off of the top KR amateurs, it just isn't going to happen. I certainly wouldn't bar them from entering but only invite them if they have a legit chance of winning a BO3-BO5. A 50-50 mix would mean so many walkovers it would just be a waste of time for everyone. THIS. I can't agree more with this post. The main impetus--for me, at least--behind putting foreigners in is because now there's the opportunity where there wasn't before and having foreigners involved has the potential to attract more fans. EDIT: I put this in the OP as I feel it captures everything we are trying to do. | ||
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Meth
Canada396 Posts
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
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AleXoundOS
Georgia457 Posts
On May 01 2012 13:17 CakeOrI)eath wrote: I personally am still hoping they switch back to sc1 after this one year I also have such a feeling that it is most likely going to happen... | ||
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Starburst
United States108 Posts
On May 01 2012 16:51 AleXoundOS wrote: I also have such a feeling that it is most likely going to happen... All we can do is make the bes of what we have at the moment. I feel like so many great ideas have been introduced and constructed in this thread that there's no reason to rule BW off as dead or dying. Sure, we might have hit a plateau in players and interest, but the people who care the most about the game are still left and that's all that matters. I for one will continue to play until I can't hit the F2 button easily, despite the fact that I may never get to even 1100 on Fish or above C- on iCCup. The game is just too damn good. | ||
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eeniebear
United States197 Posts
On May 01 2012 16:51 AleXoundOS wrote: I also have such a feeling that it is most likely going to happen... It would make sense. Can't play SC2 in PC bangs, so no one in Korea gives a crap. | ||
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CakeOrI)eath
United States327 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:45 eeniebear wrote: It would make sense. Can't play SC2 in PC bangs, so no one in Korea gives a crap. Money > number of players Money > quality of players Money > quality of game design Money > whatever Koreans actually want If these weren't true, then Proleague never would be trying this sc1-sc2 mixed thing. Sc1 is still FAR more popular in KR. Unfortunately, that isn't true for the rest of the world. The business executives and sponsors don't see much growth potential in Korea since the market is already close to saturated. Sc2 has seen an explosion in the foreign esports scene and the Koreans don't want to be left behind. They already have the organization and infrastructure to take advantage of all the foreign money being thrown at sc2, so they are trying to do it, even if no one in Korea gives a crap. While I know a small community of mostly poor students (TL) can't come close to competing with the funding that sc2 is getting now, I want this project to show the Koreans that foreigners are interested and willing to pay for more than just sc2. If we can convince them of that, then maybe just maybe they can convince their sponsors to keep sc1 around. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1687 Posts
On May 01 2012 07:11 CaucasianAsian wrote: I'm going to have some free time after thursday, and I really want to start something up such as a global starleague, with a mixture of high level koreans and foreigners. As such, I would like to plan this out with other people, and figure out the best way to invite players, and what criteria we should use. I can set up a paypal or something similar for those who are interested in donating to the prize pool (100% of donations will go to the prize pool). Either way, I'd like to actually put this into motion and start a skype group or something similar for those of us who want to take part in the organization of the tournament. If you're interested in helping out please PM me with your skype information. I've decided I'd like to help. Will PM you | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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P.J.
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1) Things will need to be done professional and fast, before too much interest in BW dies off in the foreign scene and Korea and too much players vanish 2) You need to found a company or a non-profit organization at best in Korea, as most people watching would probably be Koreans (at least at the beginning). Possibly best in an area where a lot of BW stuff still happens. So you need someone who can do this in Korea. This also is the first step to be taken serious. Hardly any company will sponsor a private person organizing things like this. 3) You need to make everything bilangual, so you need commentators in Korean and English and a website written in both languages And then the fun starts... 4) Trying to coninve some teams to give it a shot. Either by putting out a good price pool or by just convincing them :-). 5) The best would be to rent some studio time to be able to broadcast the matches live. This should generate and keep more interest in the long run. Though it would have the requirement of investing money to pay the rent, pay people starting from commentators to cameramen (you maybe could get commentators voluntary and cameramen, regiseurs, etc... from university projects voluntarily :-)). But it must not be too amateurish. If made purely online you would only need commentators. Money for the above things could come from donations like kickstarter or something. 6) Then you would need to find a way to generate money to for the prize pool, maybe people working, streaming, equipement, rent(?). People paying for BW like with a montly ticket is unlikely, as they are used to view it freely. Operating on donations is quite risky, but can provide a certain amount of income (also depending on how generous korean people are). Donations would maybe be enough to start out with a prize pool and an online tournament. If you get enough people interested and watching then you can go out and try to find sponsor (for example for commercials or personal sponsoring) with your viewer data. There is also the option to earn some money through youtubes partner program (non profits do have a special treatment there; partner get around 0.01$ per channel view and 2.5 to 5$ per 1000 viewers for a video), twitchtv with its commercials, etc. Biggest problem there is to get either the koreans to go to these streams/videos or find something equal in korea. 7) You will need to get more people interested in watching BW. This could be done with standard promotion like handing out those advertisment sheet in the street, by posting forums and blogs, etc... A good way would be trying to get high class BW games being played at other e-sports events foreign (imho one of the biggest chances to advertise foreign BW) and in Korea. Maybe like SC2 events - please don't kill me here :-)). Now you can cross your fingers and hope that you can get enough traction to attract better teams/players. This would be the critical point imho deciding the success. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11578 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
Now here is what I am purposing. The one thing that studio offer is to have the convenience of observing the players as they are in game due to the fact that it can create priceless moment of epic proportions much like the Hiya’s O-face or the GGameo’s mine reaction. But you can totally emulate these moments by simply having the players to show their faces in webcams while playing. I know that some of you may really doubt the quality of equipment and such with the lenses. To alleviate such problems, as more and more viewers shows up in the live streams to spectate the players, the more publicity these tournament will receive. With enough numbers, we can contact companies like Logitech to sponsor players by augmenting the pixel’s crispness while on live. Lets get back to the idea. And after each game, you can have the players join up in the chatroom to connect with the fans in a Q and A formats. And by the look of it, we are in the process of bridging up the Korean amateur league and the foreign scenes. So that’s where the translators come in play. The players can give tips to their fellow followers on how to do better at specific matchups, the mindset to practice, etc. This will results in many more people in elevating their skills and keep their interests. In a sense, we are completely renewing the scene. Gradually, the foreign audience will see an amelioration in crowds. But all these have to done with meticulously designed layout in the stream. So artworks are very much welcomed by the community. I would say that to get the entire infrastructure prepared, this will cost next to nothing. The problem left for us is the monetary motivation. Jobs available: - casters in both English and Korean to captivate fans - middle men to handle the relationship between the communities in scheduling and other affaires - Cheerfuls artist - Participant players - Good layout setting, the casters need to have one computer completely dedicated to Starcraft in lowering the lag - Marketers to properly explain to the sponsors how everything is set up If everything goes accordingly, Kespa can maybe still realize BW’s potential internationally. | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11578 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11578 Posts
Let alone the money aspect which in itself makes this impossible, it just is not in anyone's right interest beyond a spectators (who enjoys it) to actually work on renting out a studio, paying people to help production, supporting airfare, hotel, food, and travel of players, P.R. work, organizing, contacting the players, finding casters, orchestrating everything, etc... It's simply just not possible. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 05 2012 11:41 CaucasianAsian wrote: What you guys are talking about is just simply not feasible. What getting players from the foreign and Korean community face off against each other live casted by commentators of both languages while having them show their faces and a little bit of Q and A session at the end is not feasible? In Live in 3, we’ve seen Dj’wheat doing this all the time with no problem. The whole set up literally shouldn’t cost anything more than the basic electricity/internet bill and the Webcam from the players and the commentators. I think you said it yourself that the two community can find a method to be playing at the same time zone. Beside these, the only worry is the sponsor money in which it is completely possible with good viewership. We can even have the OSL prelim type of format so anyone can get into the tournament. Then the replays shall be left available for people to see and vote on which top 10 to be casted. Later on, a group selection can be added as well with the players. And to even bring more hype to the plays, the participant themselves can request songs for their entrance much like the proleague. I can totally see us having 3 of this type of event occurring per annum. The sponsors really only need to offer up the price money. On May 05 2012 11:44 CaucasianAsian wrote: Don't get me wrong, that would sound amazing and fun, but the market just doesn't exist for someone to feasibly quit their job, or school to work on this project for the hope that it ends up working. There just isn't enough resources. Let alone the money aspect which in itself makes this impossible, it just is not in anyone's right interest beyond a spectators (who enjoys it) to actually work on renting out a studio, paying people to help production, supporting airfare, hotel, food, and travel of players, P.R. work, organizing, contacting the players, finding casters, orchestrating everything, etc... It's simply just not possible. Woah, I did not mention those in any of my posts. | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11578 Posts
A TSL 1 / 2 style event is possible. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
Skype or msg info is welcome too for coordinating between us. I have no access to the game right now but I should be getting a new computer in the next 10 days. | ||
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