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On April 27 2012 07:13 qyk05328 wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs when corporations feel the need to forcefully destroy a successive product so that it doesn't compete with their new, inferior offering.
It's called dumping and price fixing, it's been done on a large scale with agricultural crops and produce all over the third world where they are forced to only grow luxury crops and fruits for north America / Europe, are forced to buy rice, potatoes, or other essentials from north america, and any competitive produce such as milk are literally forced to be dumped into the land because no one from these corporations would buy them and it's way too expensive for the farmers to transport and attempt to sell them in small quantities. That it's actually more profitable for the corporations to dump the milk, vegetables, etc, so that there's less of it and that all of the milk that's on the market is their brand. It's especially prevalent in Latin america and Africa where crop seeds are controlled to where they are only given seeds that don't produce more seeds and are thus forever co-dependent and have to adhere to the biased system of competition, welcome to the 20th century.
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Jumping ship to DOTA2, who's with me?
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On April 27 2012 03:10 _Animus_ wrote:
I love this game. I play it from 11-12 years and i think to continue, for me there is no need of pro scene to enjoy the game, the atmosphere and experience when playing is the thing that inspires me most. Way to improvement should be ambition alone. If you left broodwar because of the pro-s switching you are not true fan i can tell.
The important thing is that Broodwar cant die if we are here talking about it and playing it, we can have tournaments, music, stories, art and everything related to the game since Broodwar is in our hearts, so be active!
I couldn' t agree more. If anything people will keep playing this awesome game and they will be more events. And in the future who knows, might be again a pro scene.
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On April 27 2012 07:44 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 07:13 qyk05328 wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs when corporations feel the need to forcefully destroy a successive product so that it doesn't compete with their new, inferior offering. It's called dumping and price fixing, it's been done on a large scale with agricultural crops and produce all over the third world where they are forced to only grow luxury crops and fruits for north America / Europe, are forced to buy rice, potatoes, or other essentials from north america, and any competitive produce such as milk are literally forced to be dumped into the land because no one from these corporations would buy them and it's way too expensive for the farmers to transport and attempt to sell them in small quantities. That it's actually more profitable for the corporations to dump the milk, vegetables, etc, so that there's less of it and that all of the milk that's on the market is their brand. It's especially prevalent in Latin america and Africa where crop seeds are controlled to where they are only given seeds that don't produce more seeds and are thus forever co-dependent and have to adhere to the biased system of competition, welcome to the 20th century.
And then you have companies like Monsanto altering the genetic structure of staple crops to render the human species infertile within 3-4 generations. Food is being used as an economic and biological weapon at the same time.
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An extremely large majority of the movers and shakers of SC2 as well as the more passionate fans seem to have their roots following BW. Once BW goes I wonder how long SC2 will last for once Blizzard stops propping the scene up.
Edit: Also +1 for Dota2
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I like both games. Still play BW every once in awhile. Sad to see it go though.
Some of the matches I've seen recently are incredible.
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lol i have no idea how to play sc2. did the 5 ranked games, lost like 4/5 of them and i am bronze league  c- to c player here lol
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On April 27 2012 09:57 JMave wrote:lol i have no idea how to play sc2. did the 5 ranked games, lost like 4/5 of them and i am bronze league c- to c player here lol
Really? I won all 5 and I was put in diamond league, i'm a D player haha
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On April 27 2012 09:38 eeniebear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 07:44 Caihead wrote:On April 27 2012 07:13 qyk05328 wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs when corporations feel the need to forcefully destroy a successive product so that it doesn't compete with their new, inferior offering. It's called dumping and price fixing, it's been done on a large scale with agricultural crops and produce all over the third world where they are forced to only grow luxury crops and fruits for north America / Europe, are forced to buy rice, potatoes, or other essentials from north america, and any competitive produce such as milk are literally forced to be dumped into the land because no one from these corporations would buy them and it's way too expensive for the farmers to transport and attempt to sell them in small quantities. That it's actually more profitable for the corporations to dump the milk, vegetables, etc, so that there's less of it and that all of the milk that's on the market is their brand. It's especially prevalent in Latin america and Africa where crop seeds are controlled to where they are only given seeds that don't produce more seeds and are thus forever co-dependent and have to adhere to the biased system of competition, welcome to the 20th century. And then you have companies like Monsanto altering the genetic structure of staple crops to render the human species infertile within 3-4 generations. Food is being used as an economic and biological weapon at the same time.
Then you have corporate interests incite wars and terroris- sorry off topic. But if you want concrete undisputed internationally accepted facts that support this, here it is
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On April 27 2012 10:41 whatusername wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 09:57 JMave wrote:lol i have no idea how to play sc2. did the 5 ranked games, lost like 4/5 of them and i am bronze league c- to c player here lol Really? I won all 5 and I was put in diamond league, i'm a D player haha
BW skillset =/= SC2 skillset.
Things like (literally) making units hardly matter anymore. (bad for best in particular)
Large army control is NP. (bad for zero)
I'm sure the list goes on.
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I'm gonna cry myself to sleep every night.
But be excited to watch the SCBW pros tear it up in SC2. Bittersweet sort of thing.
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Just imo, but engagement control and reaction times matter more, harass / raw resource spending matter less. (term macro includes expansion timings / spending cost-efficiently, etc which still matters)
From personal perspective, players that can't engage well and that used to rely on good macro in BW, will have some problems. However, that's still a skill that can be trained; and most korean bw pros can engage very well.
The build order minor details knowledge might eventually matter more than in bw, since there's a ton of in-game tools available for it(income tabs, etc..), and it's the area players will turn into more with areas like spending suffering.
Micro is still important, it's just different. Zerg micro feels similar to bw zerg, but key units like mutalisks, defilers, lurkers were better. There's still room for bane targeting, but muta micro and infester are very inferior to their bw analogs. Roach and hydra are also less fun than bw hydra; that one was fun to micro vs zealots. Roach is similar, but bw hydra had less relative health and more damage + their numbers often were smaller, so it was more fun.
But flanking is still there, and different unit speeds make you babysit your army more. Plus engaging units in correct order is important, but not as much as for protoss(with their slow zealot/sentry/stalker). Once again, zerg gets their flanking focus in zvt/zvp, and a micro fest in zvz. Except no muta/defiler and one hotkey flanking armies(mostly manual mouse splitting, which was also present in bw) instead of trying to fit hatchery clusters/as much units as possible on hotkeys.
SC2 Protoss micro feels a lot like BW terran's mech. There's a slow unit mix that needs to keep a formation to be effective - zealot / senry / stalker. You need to keep this formation when pressured and forced to change position, when you're less mobile than your opponent. You need to focus-fire your priority units for most damage. You rely on abilities for zone control.(FFs, which are less fun than mines; also reaction time feature instead of map control feature. SC2 is overall bad for map control and more focused on unit balls, which favors engaging/engagement position and reaction time over defensive position)
And terran doesn't have micro issues 
Overall it's a different kind of micro that I don't like as much. I'd love it if I never had BW, because I like it more than any other RTS micro, excluding BW's. In BW, every unit is special/fun, and the most fun units are also better.
Now, whether dominance levels similar to bw are possible in sc2, once the game develops - that's questionable. Build order polishing and better maps can go a long way; we're in for expansions too (which kinda sucks since it knocks back the progress, and is kinda good because there are possibilities for design improvements).
Maybe I'll come back for HoTS, maybe not. Will watch my favorite BW players play SC2 live occasionally, but if game quality keeps being bad, I'll stop.
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On April 27 2012 08:00 Loanshark wrote:
Jumping ship to DOTA2, who's with me?
If you're going to switch to a MOBA after BW I guess your mindset is that you can switch to anything but SC2. Yes BW is the best game but SC2 is still better than anything else that is actively played as an esport right now.
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On April 27 2012 13:07 ihufa wrote:
no it isn't
What is better that's even remotely similar? IE not quake 3.
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On April 27 2012 09:57 JMave wrote:lol i have no idea how to play sc2. did the 5 ranked games, lost like 4/5 of them and i am bronze league c- to c player here lol
I hit Masters and I didn't fully know every unit and tech trees...xD Don't play anymore.
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On April 27 2012 12:35 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:00 Loanshark wrote:
Jumping ship to DOTA2, who's with me? If you're going to switch to a MOBA after BW I guess your mindset is that you can switch to anything but SC2. Yes BW is the best game but SC2 is still better than anything else that is actively played as an esport right now.
ive played SC2. ill wait till it develops a bit more. hopefully it can develop but until then, LoL and DotA2 for me. also tribes ascend
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Both games have its ups and downs. Both games are enjoyable, but somewhat different. Point is, if you haven't tried either of the games and bashing based on other people's views, then I really suggest you to try both games before making a judgment.
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On April 27 2012 12:35 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:00 Loanshark wrote:
Jumping ship to DOTA2, who's with me? If you're going to switch to a MOBA after BW I guess your mindset is that you can switch to anything but SC2. Yes BW is the best game but SC2 is still better than anything else that is actively played as an esport right now.
I have to agree. Once BW is gone, SC2 will probably become the e-sport with the largest "pro-scene" if it hasn't already.
That doesn't mean it's the best game around though. Give it a few years, DOTA2 scene could very well be larger than SC2.
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Can't force my self to enjoy something I don't like .... I am gone once professional bw is dead .
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