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On April 20 2012 22:47 huehuehuehue wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 22:45 LighT. wrote: Anyone have news of Stork? So par there is confirmed reports of Bisu, Fantasy, Jaedong, Leta, Flash, all playing sc2 but it almost seems like Stork is straying away from it? As he's one of my favorite toss, I'd love to see him play sc2 rather than playing something like LoL or Dota2 or something along those lines (And I'm not trying to bash either one of those games ^^) He said on that OSL talk show that he played it for 2 weeks during the break, and that he didn't really understand PvZ or PvP.
To be fair, most current SC2 pros don't either :S
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On April 20 2012 22:43 Black[CAT] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 22:32 Sawamura wrote:On April 20 2012 22:28 blubbdavid wrote: That's it for me. Oh come on, it's for e-sports man we should support them bw pro's going to sc2 as you can see even the coaches were having a blast talking about sc2 . I mean I don't mind seeing history repeat itself when this guy dominate the scene and the foreign scene will know where their standing is again after all . Korean dominance sound pretty sweet in my opinion. SC2 is pretty much Korean dominated, soon them foreigners wont keep up. Seen few threads on SC2 forums whining about Koreans being too good and foreigners getting behind. Same thing is happening with LoL. Yes people are angry at first but they get used to it and enjoy the game..
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How is this even news worthy....
I mean this is the guy who off raced Toss at the level of the lower dragons. (Flash's game against ... not Best, Jangbi, Stork or Kal...the young unassuming one...)
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On April 21 2012 03:26 Grampz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 03:22 deafhobbit wrote:On April 21 2012 03:21 Grampz wrote: well no matter what, you can bet your ass if there is a free stream, all of the starcraft 2 viewers will be watching OSL/proleague. You can bet your god damned arses. There always is a free stream, and SC2 viewers don't tune in in large numbers. Considering how many people tuned in to GSL Code S finals, I think you are wrong on that. That was like 240p as well. we are talking about the best of the best, and the BEST PRODUCTION VALUE now as well. There's no question it will get big, Very big. HoTS Should add fire, i hope it comes out soon... Can't stand to see LoL take over. Yeh, Im sure if they had a stream just like they do for LoL it would get very big.
Especially if they are as generous as they are with LoL (Free 1080p, and english casters - even if it is moletrap)
Just for the resolution alone is enough for people to prefer to watch it over GOMs $19.99/month 540p "HQ" stream
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On April 21 2012 03:19 Nerokas wrote: im just happy this is happening right now. I just hope the bw pros see the beauty and possibilities in starcraft 2 instead of just labeling it as an easy and boring game :/
It's not surprising since switching over means that they lose their advantages over the current scene. But hey, it's adapt or perish for them, it's not like they got any other viable choices.
Let's see what options they have: -Retire from Esports completely Good luck getting a decent job with that high school degree in Korea, when pretty much everyone has an undergraduate degree. Oh wait, there's Afreeca. But have fun trying to compete with that traitor Savior, not to mention how degrading would be meeting the same fate as that scum who is also responsible for their current predicament.
-Ignore SC2, focus on BW Sure, they'll be comfy for awhile, but as time passes, sooner or later, they will become bench-warmers in favor of SC2-proficient players.
-Suck it up, switch to SC2, abandon BW Your progamer life will be mostly same as before, just replace BW with SC2. But prepare for GSL players a year later or get ripped to shreds and fall into obscurity.
Man, BW players are fucked big time right now.
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On April 21 2012 03:26 OpticalShot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 03:23 ShadeR wrote: Thanks OpticalShot. THE INTERVIEW WAS BLOODY BRILLIANT. FUNNY AS HELL. NEW RESPECT FOR STX COACH. HWAITING! You're welcome =) Yeah I thought the interview was amazing, some coaches showed real personality. To be honest I used to look down on the STX coach because their team lacks personality and usually loses (sorry STX fans) but after this interview I see that he's a great man with great insight and passion for eSports. I honestly can't be hating on SC2 or LoL or whatever that isn't BW, I think I'll support whatever they decide to go with.
He's the chicken-bribe man, right? He'd do anything for BW and e-sports He's also incredibly articulate about how they floundered their opportunities before. Favorite coach (next to Park of course).
Thanks OS!
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On April 21 2012 03:07 Sawamura wrote:
LoL it doesn't matter if we watch gsl if bw pro's were to start training sc2 right now and to be playing sc2 in the later season their game play will differ from gsl and they may even come up with some weird strategy you will never think off .
That is why they are asking players like MVP, Nestea, MMA to help? They will definitely look same for some time. the game is still young and evolving. And yes it will be different in time, some of them might change the match-up completely like what happened to PvZ in BW .
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glad to see they are taking the foreign scene more seriously. excited to see what they have in store for us.
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On April 21 2012 03:13 mcbrite wrote: I can't fucking wait to see some Flash matches on SC2!!! Never got the chance to see him in BW, only ever heard the stories and read of his victories!
Flash hwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaitiiiiiiiiiiiiing!!!
You did not bother to watch his games, so stop pretending you care about him...
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yeah thanks again opti for the translation and your hard work ^_^
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One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions.
This really caught my attention. Is he saying that BW pros have to move even faster in SC2 to keep up with the pace of the game? Does this mean the idea of a low skill ceiling is false? I'm really looking forward to seeing just what these guys can bring to the scene once they're playing SC2 full time.
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This is absolutely sickening; though I will still have hope until things actually materialize.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2012 03:30 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 03:19 Nerokas wrote: im just happy this is happening right now. I just hope the bw pros see the beauty and possibilities in starcraft 2 instead of just labeling it as an easy and boring game :/ It's not surprising since switching over means that they lose their advantages over the current scene. But hey, it's adapt or perish for them, it's not like they got any other viable choices. Let's see what options they have: -Retire from Esports completely Good luck getting a decent job with that high school degree in Korea, when pretty much everyone has an undergraduate degree. Oh wait, there's Afreeca. But have fun trying to compete with that traitor Savior, not to mention how degrading would be meeting the same fate as that scum who is also responsible for their current predicament. -Ignore SC2, focus on BW Sure, they'll be comfy for awhile, but as time passes, sooner or later, they will become bench-warmers in favor of SC2-proficient players. -Suck it up, switch to SC2, abandon BW Your progamer life will be mostly same as before, just replace BW with SC2. But prepare for GSL players a year later or get ripped to shreds and fall into obscurity. Man, BW players are fucked big time right now.
BW as fucked only in the sense that they are going to have to switch games to continue their careers, which is saddening to me. I have faith that they will like SC2 in the long run, but the longing of BW will always be there.
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On April 21 2012 02:17 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 02:10 phosphorylation wrote:On April 21 2012 02:08 howLiN wrote:On April 21 2012 02:04 phosphorylation wrote:On April 21 2012 02:01 dmfg wrote:On April 21 2012 01:53 phosphorylation wrote: It's just tremendously sad and unnatural that sc2 will be forced onto viewers only because the sponsors want it, rather than because the players, coaches (most), or most importantly, viewers want it
It does not bode well for this initiative and esports in general.
(I am talking purely about the scene in Korea, just so I don't get misinformed comments). Thing is... ultimately sponsors follow viewers. After all, that's the reason they're sponsoring in the first place - to reach viewers. I think it's too early to think of this as "the death of BW". More like "sponsors are getting edgy and want to try something new, to compare it". At the end of the day though, the viewers have the power to watch what they want to watch, and the sponsors must listen. I think the sponsors are leapfrogging the viewer intent here, due to few factors. Newness of the alleged "sequel" of sc2. The match-fixing scandal. The unprecedented longevity of BW as esports. Sponsors can't afford to leapfrog viewer's intent, the whole deal of sponsoring is reaching out to the highest number of viewers as possible. Don't fool yourself. ... They are in Korea, simply because in korea, current BW interest and viewrs >>> current SC2 interest and viewers. They think in the long term, SC2 holds more potential for drawing viewers. That may be correct or but it also may be bullshit. But that's why they are so eager on the switch. Also, I don't think sponsors care about deficiencies in SC2 as much as fans do. We complain about unit design and interface design and all that jazz, but sponsors couldn't care less about that stuff. What they see is a sorta new game with an eye-openingly large international following and inconclusive speculation on whether or not a complete transition could succeed in Korea.
That's what's driving all this. SC 2 has a huge international following. BW's international scene is dead. SC 2's is not - and is being fueled by huge sponsors and organizations. The BW coaches and sponsors look at this and think, wow - what the fuck are we doing missing out on this? That's why they're trying to switch. They know SC 2 is a failure in Korea, but their eyes are on the international prize.
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On April 21 2012 03:32 densha wrote:Show nested quote +One good thing was that because SC2 battles are so much faster, the player's mechanics increased because they needed faster reactions. This really caught my attention. Is he saying that BW pros have to move even faster in SC2 to keep up with the pace of the game? Does this mean the idea of a low skill ceiling is false? I'm really looking forward to seeing just what these guys can bring to the scene once they're playing SC2 full time.
He can say whatever he wants but in the end .....
On April 21 2012 03:00 Sawamura wrote: Oh so that explains why baby lost to action because he was busy playing sc2 ........... Poor baby ...
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On April 21 2012 03:27 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 03:23 ShadeR wrote: Thanks OpticalShot. THE INTERVIEW WAS BLOODY BRILLIANT. FUNNY AS HELL. NEW RESPECT FOR STX COACH. HWAITING! Yes I felt the most connection with Stx coach .... They really speak what I wanted hear as a bw fan . I mean just think about the possibility when bw was it's peak and kespa actually had grand finals all over the world ... Bw would have been spread globally man . But I am just playing it to my fantasy . Whatever the circumstances it is I want kespa to succeed over gom .
Why do you want Kespa to succeed over Gom? Seems weird, can't they have both success, more gaming channels are better in my opinion.
On topic: Still not digging the mixed format. =/ But nice to have insight in the minds of those coaches. I gained a new perspective regarding the stx coach. Thx for translation optical shot.
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amn[donmsa[dsadsads wrong thread
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But yeah, having SC2 and BW in proleague is just going to make both games look worse than they should...I don't know, i guess they have to try it either way... Gonna be weird
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On April 21 2012 03:33 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 02:17 eviltomahawk wrote:On April 21 2012 02:10 phosphorylation wrote:On April 21 2012 02:08 howLiN wrote:On April 21 2012 02:04 phosphorylation wrote:On April 21 2012 02:01 dmfg wrote:On April 21 2012 01:53 phosphorylation wrote: It's just tremendously sad and unnatural that sc2 will be forced onto viewers only because the sponsors want it, rather than because the players, coaches (most), or most importantly, viewers want it
It does not bode well for this initiative and esports in general.
(I am talking purely about the scene in Korea, just so I don't get misinformed comments). Thing is... ultimately sponsors follow viewers. After all, that's the reason they're sponsoring in the first place - to reach viewers. I think it's too early to think of this as "the death of BW". More like "sponsors are getting edgy and want to try something new, to compare it". At the end of the day though, the viewers have the power to watch what they want to watch, and the sponsors must listen. I think the sponsors are leapfrogging the viewer intent here, due to few factors. Newness of the alleged "sequel" of sc2. The match-fixing scandal. The unprecedented longevity of BW as esports. Sponsors can't afford to leapfrog viewer's intent, the whole deal of sponsoring is reaching out to the highest number of viewers as possible. Don't fool yourself. ... They are in Korea, simply because in korea, current BW interest and viewrs >>> current SC2 interest and viewers. They think in the long term, SC2 holds more potential for drawing viewers. That may be correct or but it also may be bullshit. But that's why they are so eager on the switch. Also, I don't think sponsors care about deficiencies in SC2 as much as fans do. We complain about unit design and interface design and all that jazz, but sponsors couldn't care less about that stuff. What they see is a sorta new game with an eye-openingly large international following and inconclusive speculation on whether or not a complete transition could succeed in Korea. That's what's driving all this. SC 2 has a huge international following when put alongside BW. BW's international scene is dead. SC 2's is not - and is being fueled by huge sponsors and organizations. The BW coaches and sponsors look at this and think, wow - what the fuck are we doing missing out on this? That's why they're trying to switch. They know SC 2 is a failure in Korea, but their eyes are on the international prize.
No in the spirit of the article it seems that sc2 is a new chance for them to start everything from a clean slate and fixing all the error's they have done before and they are also focusing on the korean scene first than only internationally .
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I know I gonna feel bored to watch Flash/Bisu/Jaedong games on SC2, I mean im a french player I got Stephano (best foreign SC2 player) to root for and even for his SC2 final I find the game slow and almost nothing interesting happening (im a SC2 Master Season 1) What I say is that on a good day I feel that I can do most of their play(without the game sense of course)
Aniway, gonna buy a Korean VPN and watch afreeca Fish pro stream ^^
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