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they cant be serious... i hope these are just false rumors
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It looks retarded, but I guess they were looking for a solution to introduce SC2 to BW viewers before making a complete switch and risking losing a lot of their fanbase. It might still happen lol, but at least they will have tried to introduce it.
The thing I'm not so fond of, if the quality of games. You can't have top level games with players playing 2 games, and if they divide rosters... ? It's just weird, and will handicap some players if a full switch comes next...
I understand, but I don't like this.
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I call bullshit on this. They should finish PL with brood war, along with the OSL, and then disband entirely or attempt to go pure SC2 next year. Whether or not the teams and players will go along with that remains to be seen.
I mean, this rumor sounds REALLY stupid. I'd be less skeptical of it if someone claimed they're going all SC2, but mixed? Now instead of being somber with the defeat of BW, I'm agitated that I have to read nonsense like this. The BW dying rumors will never cease henceforth. This will be very annoying.
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This idea is terrible... Please god don't let it happen.
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On March 24 2012 08:15 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:14 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 24 2012 08:01 puppykiller wrote:
What I want to know is does this mean that we are going to have English BW commentary? And if we do is it going to come from someone who knows how to play BW, and not some D- sc2 caster attempting to understand BW, or is it going to be Artosis/Day 9/ Tasteless? Hopefully that doesn't happen. I might even cast the full sets if not that many people cast BW (restream that is, unless we have official English casters) Well Moletrap is casting LoL for OGN, he used to cast BW. Woah. FOREAL?
Yes, he has been casting the LoL tournament.
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I don't see how this is good for either game. I really doubt this would be the way they brought SC2 into the fold. It's basically mediocre for both BW and SC2 due to the sporadic flip flop back and forth. This is a case where you separate them and give them each time.
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It's such a strange choice (it it's true)
It's like doing a bo3 with first game in dota, second game in lol, 3rd game in dota or something like that, it makes no sense. Even if sc2 player would play sc2 and bw players would play bw, it still makes no sense.
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wow, as its been already said I hope this wont happen.. if ever i'd see only sc2.. would be less painful D:
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rofl if this turns out to be true, at least it'll be interesting to see....if probably shitty.
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Ugh. I would've preferred if they just ran a separate SC2 league to run alongside the usual BW Proleague.
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if you thought imbalance cries and player flaming were bad, wait till you see SC2 v BW arguments..... every. single. day.
Bans everywhere. Mods overworked. Every single thread containing some hypothetical arguments on why BW >/<SC2 and why Blizzard sucks. It's definitely a lose-lose situation whatever the angle I look at it.
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On March 24 2012 08:56 MrCon wrote:
It's such a strange choice (it it's true)
It's like doing a bo3 with first game in dota, second game in lol, 3rd game in dota or something like that, it makes no sense. Even if sc2 player would play sc2 and bw players would play bw, it still makes no sense.
I actually think it makes some since if you think about it. We all know sc2 isn't as popular as bw, it's getting better (at least finals of last gsl had a lot of live viewership compared to previous excluding blizzcon). So to maybe have the bw fans understand sc2 they slowly put it in half bw half sc2 and try to show it for the bw fans who dont' watch sc2 or played it the week it came out and quit because it was 1 base all in heaven.
The game has evolved a lot since then and if they show it slowly I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up after a season or whatever of both then having both in different leagues (god I hope they don't get rid of BW that's for sure). That's my theory anyway on why they are doing it this way as if they just do a stand alone sc2 different time not as many fans will show up because they don't care/know anything about it and obviously won't show up.
We'll see that's my theory again if it does happen anyway and this rumor is true.
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On March 24 2012 08:15 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:14 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 24 2012 08:01 puppykiller wrote:
What I want to know is does this mean that we are going to have English BW commentary? And if we do is it going to come from someone who knows how to play BW, and not some D- sc2 caster attempting to understand BW, or is it going to be Artosis/Day 9/ Tasteless? Hopefully that doesn't happen. I might even cast the full sets if not that many people cast BW (restream that is, unless we have official English casters) Well Moletrap is casting LoL for OGN, he used to cast BW. Woah. FOREAL?
Moletrap is only casting because he cast BW for a time. His SC2 casts are literally narrating the events on the screen.
On March 24 2012 08:18 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:02 arb wrote:On March 24 2012 07:31 cuppatea wrote:On March 24 2012 07:23 Wohmfg wrote:On March 24 2012 07:16 cuppatea wrote:
I'm trying to point out that the top players in SC2 are no less dominant than those in BW (Flash excluded) and thus the frequent "SC2 is too easy/too random for players to win consistently" claims on here have no merit. The SC2 sample sizes are smaller. Come back and make that argument when the sample sizes are similar. All I did was refute the following claim, which I frequently see passed off as fact on these boards: "the ceiling is much easier to reach. this is why you have "top" sc2 players that are great at the game but cannot show consistent/dominant results against other top players" If we look at the win rates of top players in both games then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. If, instead, we say that the sample size is too small to be used as evidence... then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. So giving win rates based on a tiny sample size of games vs hundreds of Bw games "refutes" the claim? lol no. It indicates that there is no evidence for the initial claim. It doesn't prove that WoL is as stable as BW, but it seems to indicate that they are probably comparable. Sure, we won't know for sure until half a decade from now, but from the stats we have now it still seems like nobody has come close to WoL's skill ceiling yet and that good players can still differentiate themselves on a comparable (I said comparable) level as BW pros. Point is, there is no proof that WoL is as stable as BW over the long term, but there is no proof of the contrary.
SC2 has not had one player be dominant for any long period of time, with only Nestea ever winning back-to-back GSLs (and only then if you don't count the super tournament). People like to throw the B-word around because BW fans like to say SC2 is a no-skill game. Instead of a single Bonjwa, SC2 a somewhat consistent A-class. Late 2010 into fall 2011, for instance, was the Nestea/MVP era.
GSL Open 2: Nestea wins against MarineKing in the finals
GSL January 2011: MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals
GSL World Championship MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals
GSL May 2011: Nestea wins against Inca in the most one-sided finals in GSL history.
GSL July 2011: Nestea wins against Losira, winning the GSL without losing a single set (albeit thanks to an easy bracket)
MLG Anaheim: MVP wins against MMA
GSL August 2011: MVP wins against Top in the finals
Blizzcon: MVP wins against Nestea
GSL October 2011: MMA defeats MMA, era of IM dominance ends.
It's a pretty decent run split among two players. Yes, it's not a Bonjwa, but it's a pretty clear A-class, that has since been surpassed.
Still, HotS as announced has increased the mechanical skill cap, which is nice. But SC2 is still a long way from BW 
On March 24 2012 09:02 rebdomine wrote:
Ugh. I would've preferred if they just ran a separate SC2 league to run alongside the usual BW Proleague.
I think this is what everyone wants. I imagine most BW fans would be happy to see SC2 do well if it didn't hurt BW at all.
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This sounds horrible. I feel like they're trying to make a 'smooth' transition to sc2 by doing this, but just giving sc2 a separate tournament would make much more sense to me. Every game is going to feel like a shitty crossover showmatch
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On March 24 2012 09:03 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:15 shaftofpleasure wrote:On March 24 2012 08:14 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 24 2012 08:01 puppykiller wrote:
What I want to know is does this mean that we are going to have English BW commentary? And if we do is it going to come from someone who knows how to play BW, and not some D- sc2 caster attempting to understand BW, or is it going to be Artosis/Day 9/ Tasteless? Hopefully that doesn't happen. I might even cast the full sets if not that many people cast BW (restream that is, unless we have official English casters) Well Moletrap is casting LoL for OGN, he used to cast BW. Woah. FOREAL? Moletrap is only casting because he cast BW for a time. His SC2 casts are literally narrating the events on the screen. Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:18 Fischbacher wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 arb wrote:On March 24 2012 07:31 cuppatea wrote:On March 24 2012 07:23 Wohmfg wrote:On March 24 2012 07:16 cuppatea wrote:
I'm trying to point out that the top players in SC2 are no less dominant than those in BW (Flash excluded) and thus the frequent "SC2 is too easy/too random for players to win consistently" claims on here have no merit. The SC2 sample sizes are smaller. Come back and make that argument when the sample sizes are similar. All I did was refute the following claim, which I frequently see passed off as fact on these boards: "the ceiling is much easier to reach. this is why you have "top" sc2 players that are great at the game but cannot show consistent/dominant results against other top players" If we look at the win rates of top players in both games then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. If, instead, we say that the sample size is too small to be used as evidence... then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. So giving win rates based on a tiny sample size of games vs hundreds of Bw games "refutes" the claim? lol no. It indicates that there is no evidence for the initial claim. It doesn't prove that WoL is as stable as BW, but it seems to indicate that they are probably comparable. Sure, we won't know for sure until half a decade from now, but from the stats we have now it still seems like nobody has come close to WoL's skill ceiling yet and that good players can still differentiate themselves on a comparable (I said comparable) level as BW pros. Point is, there is no proof that WoL is as stable as BW over the long term, but there is no proof of the contrary. SC2 has not had one player be dominant for any long period of time, with only Nestea ever winning back-to-back GSLs (and only then if you don't count the super tournament). People like to throw the B-word around because BW fans like to say SC2 is a no-skill game. Instead of a single Bonjwa, SC2 a somewhat consistent A-class. Late 2010 into fall 2011, for instance, was the Nestea/MVP era. GSL Open 2: Nestea wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL January 2011: MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL World Championship MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL May 2011: Nestea wins against Inca in the most one-sided finals in GSL history. GSL July 2011: Nestea wins against Losira, winning the GSL without losing a single set (albeit thanks to an easy bracket) MLG Anaheim: MVP wins against MMA GSL August 2011: MVP wins against Top in the finals Blizzcon: MVP wins against Nestea GSL October 2011: MMA defeats MMA, era of IM dominance ends. It's a pretty decent run split among two players. Yes, it's not a Bonjwa, but it's a pretty clear A-class, that has since been surpassed. Still, HotS as announced has increased the mechanical skill cap, which is nice. But SC2 is still a long way from BW Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 09:02 rebdomine wrote:
Ugh. I would've preferred if they just ran a separate SC2 league to run alongside the usual BW Proleague. I think this is what everyone wants. I imagine most BW fans would be happy to see SC2 do well if it didn't hurt BW at all.
Most, if not all, probably won't really care.
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On March 24 2012 09:03 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:15 shaftofpleasure wrote:On March 24 2012 08:14 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 24 2012 08:01 puppykiller wrote:
What I want to know is does this mean that we are going to have English BW commentary? And if we do is it going to come from someone who knows how to play BW, and not some D- sc2 caster attempting to understand BW, or is it going to be Artosis/Day 9/ Tasteless? Hopefully that doesn't happen. I might even cast the full sets if not that many people cast BW (restream that is, unless we have official English casters) Well Moletrap is casting LoL for OGN, he used to cast BW. Woah. FOREAL? Moletrap is only casting because he cast BW for a time. His SC2 casts are literally narrating the events on the screen. Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 08:18 Fischbacher wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 arb wrote:On March 24 2012 07:31 cuppatea wrote:On March 24 2012 07:23 Wohmfg wrote:On March 24 2012 07:16 cuppatea wrote:
I'm trying to point out that the top players in SC2 are no less dominant than those in BW (Flash excluded) and thus the frequent "SC2 is too easy/too random for players to win consistently" claims on here have no merit. The SC2 sample sizes are smaller. Come back and make that argument when the sample sizes are similar. All I did was refute the following claim, which I frequently see passed off as fact on these boards: "the ceiling is much easier to reach. this is why you have "top" sc2 players that are great at the game but cannot show consistent/dominant results against other top players" If we look at the win rates of top players in both games then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. If, instead, we say that the sample size is too small to be used as evidence... then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. So giving win rates based on a tiny sample size of games vs hundreds of Bw games "refutes" the claim? lol no. It indicates that there is no evidence for the initial claim. It doesn't prove that WoL is as stable as BW, but it seems to indicate that they are probably comparable. Sure, we won't know for sure until half a decade from now, but from the stats we have now it still seems like nobody has come close to WoL's skill ceiling yet and that good players can still differentiate themselves on a comparable (I said comparable) level as BW pros. Point is, there is no proof that WoL is as stable as BW over the long term, but there is no proof of the contrary. SC2 has not had one player be dominant for any long period of time, with only Nestea ever winning back-to-back GSLs (and only then if you don't count the super tournament). People like to throw the B-word around because BW fans like to say SC2 is a no-skill game. Instead of a single Bonjwa, SC2 a somewhat consistent A-class. Late 2010 into fall 2011, for instance, was the Nestea/MVP era. GSL Open 2: Nestea wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL January 2011: MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL World Championship MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL May 2011: Nestea wins against Inca in the most one-sided finals in GSL history. GSL July 2011: Nestea wins against Losira, winning the GSL without losing a single set (albeit thanks to an easy bracket) MLG Anaheim: MVP wins against MMA GSL August 2011: MVP wins against Top in the finals Blizzcon: MVP wins against Nestea GSL October 2011: MMA defeats MMA, era of IM dominance ends. It's a pretty decent run split among two players. Yes, it's not a Bonjwa, but it's a pretty clear A-class, that has since been surpassed. Still, HotS as announced has increased the mechanical skill cap, which is nice. But SC2 is still a long way from BW Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 09:02 rebdomine wrote:
Ugh. I would've preferred if they just ran a separate SC2 league to run alongside the usual BW Proleague. I think this is what everyone wants. I imagine most BW fans would be happy to see SC2 do well if it didn't hurt BW at all.
really? did dustin say that they are going to increase the mechanical skill of hots?
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On March 24 2012 09:13 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 09:03 Ribbon wrote:On March 24 2012 08:15 shaftofpleasure wrote:On March 24 2012 08:14 huehuehuehue wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 supernovamaniac wrote:On March 24 2012 08:01 puppykiller wrote:
What I want to know is does this mean that we are going to have English BW commentary? And if we do is it going to come from someone who knows how to play BW, and not some D- sc2 caster attempting to understand BW, or is it going to be Artosis/Day 9/ Tasteless? Hopefully that doesn't happen. I might even cast the full sets if not that many people cast BW (restream that is, unless we have official English casters) Well Moletrap is casting LoL for OGN, he used to cast BW. Woah. FOREAL? Moletrap is only casting because he cast BW for a time. His SC2 casts are literally narrating the events on the screen. On March 24 2012 08:18 Fischbacher wrote:On March 24 2012 08:02 arb wrote:On March 24 2012 07:31 cuppatea wrote:On March 24 2012 07:23 Wohmfg wrote:On March 24 2012 07:16 cuppatea wrote:
I'm trying to point out that the top players in SC2 are no less dominant than those in BW (Flash excluded) and thus the frequent "SC2 is too easy/too random for players to win consistently" claims on here have no merit. The SC2 sample sizes are smaller. Come back and make that argument when the sample sizes are similar. All I did was refute the following claim, which I frequently see passed off as fact on these boards: "the ceiling is much easier to reach. this is why you have "top" sc2 players that are great at the game but cannot show consistent/dominant results against other top players" If we look at the win rates of top players in both games then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. If, instead, we say that the sample size is too small to be used as evidence... then I'm right when I say there's no evidence to support that claim. So giving win rates based on a tiny sample size of games vs hundreds of Bw games "refutes" the claim? lol no. It indicates that there is no evidence for the initial claim. It doesn't prove that WoL is as stable as BW, but it seems to indicate that they are probably comparable. Sure, we won't know for sure until half a decade from now, but from the stats we have now it still seems like nobody has come close to WoL's skill ceiling yet and that good players can still differentiate themselves on a comparable (I said comparable) level as BW pros. Point is, there is no proof that WoL is as stable as BW over the long term, but there is no proof of the contrary. SC2 has not had one player be dominant for any long period of time, with only Nestea ever winning back-to-back GSLs (and only then if you don't count the super tournament). People like to throw the B-word around because BW fans like to say SC2 is a no-skill game. Instead of a single Bonjwa, SC2 a somewhat consistent A-class. Late 2010 into fall 2011, for instance, was the Nestea/MVP era. GSL Open 2: Nestea wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL January 2011: MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL World Championship MVP wins against MarineKing in the finals GSL May 2011: Nestea wins against Inca in the most one-sided finals in GSL history. GSL July 2011: Nestea wins against Losira, winning the GSL without losing a single set (albeit thanks to an easy bracket) MLG Anaheim: MVP wins against MMA GSL August 2011: MVP wins against Top in the finals Blizzcon: MVP wins against Nestea GSL October 2011: MMA defeats MMA, era of IM dominance ends. It's a pretty decent run split among two players. Yes, it's not a Bonjwa, but it's a pretty clear A-class, that has since been surpassed. Still, HotS as announced has increased the mechanical skill cap, which is nice. But SC2 is still a long way from BW On March 24 2012 09:02 rebdomine wrote:
Ugh. I would've preferred if they just ran a separate SC2 league to run alongside the usual BW Proleague. I think this is what everyone wants. I imagine most BW fans would be happy to see SC2 do well if it didn't hurt BW at all. really? did dustin say that they are going to increase the mechanical skill of hots?
Think of the casuals tears! That would force Blizzard again to fuck this shit up! wooo hooray for blizzard!
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Well this seems awkward. I actually thought they would eventually just transition to how Proleague and Winners league worked. Where they would have One Round of BW and then a Round of SC2 until they eventually dropped BW or dropped SC2 if the popularity wasn't growing. This just seems all forms of bad unless like others have mentioned you just have specific rosters for each game. It'll be interesting how it all shakes out.
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This is a horrible idea, if Kespa or OGN wants to force SC2 into the system do a separate BO3 as a core part of the match. The rotation of sets with the BW and SC2 will just create inconsistencies.
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must be some sort of april fools joke in the making
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