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Actually BW is a completely different game from SC2. They might share the name, but the rules, flow and everything about the game is totally different. Sorry bud.
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On March 24 2012 03:02 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 02:07 JohnnyPG wrote:There is a shit load of angry BW fanboys on here D: Now, coming from a relatively unbiased point of view, I think this is going to really bring the community together :D I closely follow both BW and SC2 because both of them have their inherent flaws and their awesome traits. + Show Spoiler +
BW Pros : Ridiculous APM requirements, old school heroes like Bisu and JD, difficult interface, so you know those boys are just clickin and clackin away on those keyboards >: D these two things just make it sooo fucking interesting to watch because you know that pure talent is behind those screens.
BW cons = Eyesore, not saying BW is just unwatchable, but by modern standards, ya -___- Lack of new faces, we all know Flash, JD, Bisu, and the likes are always going to be at the forefront, no room for growth, guys..I love BW because of the incredible talent that is in it, but lets be honest with ourselves as fans, this move is a desperation move, because money and time are running out for our beloved game.
SC2 pros = Gorgeous to watch, all commentary is in English (for the most part), large foreign community with talent and potential, game is still young, strategies and metagame are expanding all the time, the game is already becoming much less deathball dependent, I saw a game with Puma the other day where he was executing double pronged drops and micro'ing them well along with his marine tank push, I was thoroughly impressed, the apm on that is sick, it seems like the true talent and practice is finally showing through,
Sc2 cons = Lack of ridiculously amazing players, the players are getting better....they are, but we dont have any true "Holy shit he is unstoppable" players as of right now, makes it hard to really get behind someone in my opinion. Deathballs, wihle the game is improving and stepping away from these, there is still the dreaded and boring deathballs ...,Mostly in matchups with Protoss is what I observe.
SO as STARCRAFT fans lets look at this through some optimism yes? Starcraft for life <3 Your post is absurdly ignorant. I'm not sure even where to start. We don't watch BW because it's mechanically more demanding, we watch BW because it's played better in every aspect: strategy, multitask, decision making, EVERYTHING. BW fans can't be SC2 fans because SC2 is cannibalizing everything that we worked so hard for over the past 10 years. Just because it has "starcraft" in it's name, you guys feel like you have the right to everything we created. You're even recycling our players like some kind of bastardized retirement home. Go start "esports" on your own, purely off the passion and dedication of fans and players. Then come back and we'll talk about sharing a league. All I see in sc2 is people trying to make money. All I see in BW is passion and love for the game. Here's what your precious foreign players have to say about their game Show nested quote +Jinro
Although, as someone who is currently playing SC2 professionally, I would have to say that yes, SC2 is inferior to SC1. Why are they playing sc2 then? To make a living off gaming because they weren't good enough at BW. Show nested quote +Midas
I'm going to confess that in the off-season, I tried out StarCraft 2 and League of Legends. I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists. Same with League of Legends. I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." If by "breathe new life into the BW scene" you mean screw us over, then sure. Because cutting our only league left in half is "breathing new life". Yup. Maybe SC2 should donate all of it's prize winnings to sponsor a new OSL. SC2 owes 100% of it's success to BW. If it was called space invaders 3, it would, at best, be a thread in the Sports and Games subforum.
Right....MY post is ignorant x)
Oh, and Idra's and Jinro's opinions arent even valid in the Starcraft 2 community, so no clue what you are trying to prove there. All you pretty much said was, "2 shit players are complaining about this game just like they complained back in BW" I dont know if that applies to Jinro, but it certainly applies to Idra.
And I would hope its better strategically after how long its been around and you know, the fact that Starcraft 2 isnt even 2/3 complete. In 8 years, come back to me about what game is more strategically and tactically demanding, because as of right now, you are comparing the intelligence and maturity level of a high school senior to a second grader and saying, "ZOMG of coarse the high school senior is smarter and more mature I mean its just superior in every way!"
I would attempt to debate this with you, but you are so obscenely biased that trying to use logic with you is seriously akin to administering medicine to the dead, each would be equally as useless in my opinion.
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On March 24 2012 03:24 NoDDiE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:19 Sawamura wrote:On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote:
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ? Well let's put it this way what if Sc2 is mix with LoL to promote LoL to sc2 fan base and it will have the same format as mention in OP . Will you like it this way ? I don't know but if I am a LoL fan I would be happy, however If I am a sc2 fan than I would be totally annoyed if my team loses the match because my players can play lol really well . This is what's happening with mixing both games . No bw fan would want to get interrupted suddenly in a subsequent number of matches just because it reaches the even or odd number and the game is switch to another game . We have always been given a full course of bw and now you are taking away this privilege that has always been enjoyed ? . sc2 as name suggest is comparable to sc1 while lol is much diffrent game. sure u can argue that sc1=/=sc2 of course its not exactly same game but still mechanics//blizzard//pro scene are similar. and that way bw is going to be more popular(not dead ?) cause lot of sc2 ppl are going to watch it. and i bet team's are gonna have dedicated sc1//sc2 division so its not gonna affect level of play. for me its win//win situation (i like bw//sc2) for most openminded people. unless you wanna kill bw by strongly rejecting any way to cooperate with those 2 games
These notions of killing bw ..... since when does it require other games for bw to survive ? Sc2 is the equivalent of LoL to me it's a RTS game but it isn't starcraft and I have always seen starcraft 2 as Warcraft 3 in Space .
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If MBCgame was still there, he would never have allowed this.  Sad times.
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On March 24 2012 03:25 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:22 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all. That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea. lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse. That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively ( regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial. It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right? Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves That's why I said "is bringing a new level of progaming" as in "is starting to bring", instead of "brought":
What makes you think foreigners will start to earn salarys? At this pace, foreigners will disappear slowly as BW players switch to SC2
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On March 24 2012 03:25 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:22 StarStruck wrote:
Being a pro has lost it's meaning. Practically anyone can call themselves pro's now.
How about we just call them jobs instead? They make a living off of it. Surely, but there's a whole bunch of them who cannot win on any given Sunday. Ahh, the days when progamers were sharing rooms and eating ramyun and barely made any money. That's what real progamers were. The drive and passion they once had which eventually sculpted the scene which we have now. Truly the glorious days...when being a progamer had meaning.
It's the fact that they were actually good and paid their dues by earning their licenses, practicing their asses off and climbing up to the A-Team.
These guys are the cream of the crop. Against any no-namer or wannabe they have a pretty big advantage. ._.
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I am glad Bo7 is returning as well as ace match, at least. This should offset the fact that low end players will have even fewer chances to get playtime if there are two games being played instead of one. Sort of reminds me of the Ultimate Proleague Championship or whatever which split sets between BW and Special Force. That wasn't really fun to watch, but then again, the people playing BW were different from the people playing SF. If it's the same players sharing two games (which I doubt because of the preparation involved, it's as difficult as say preparing for 2 different races), it'd be kind of interesting.
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On March 24 2012 02:41 Garrl wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 02:07 JohnnyPG wrote:
There is a shit load of angry BW fanboys on here D:
Now, coming from a relatively unbiased point of view, I think this is going to really bring the community together :D
I closely follow both BW and SC2 because both of them have their inherent flaws and their awesome traits.
BW Pros : Ridiculous APM requirements, old school heroes like Bisu and JD, difficult interface, so you know those boys are just clickin and clackin away on those keyboards >: D these two things just make it sooo fucking interesting to watch because you know that pure talent is behind those screens.
BW cons = Eyesore, not saying BW is just unwatchable, but by modern standards, ya -___- Lack of new faces, we all know Flash, JD, Bisu, and the likes are always going to be at the forefront, no room for growth, guys..I love BW because of the incredible talent that is in it, but lets be honest with ourselves as fans, this move is a desperation move, because money and time are running out for our beloved game.
SC2 pros = Gorgeous to watch, all commentary is in English (for the most part), large foreign community with talent and potential, game is still young, strategies and metagame are expanding all the time, the game is already becoming much less deathball dependent, I saw a game with Puma the other day where he was executing double pronged drops and micro'ing them well along with his marine tank push, I was thoroughly impressed, the apm on that is sick, it seems like the true talent and practice is finally showing through,
Sc2 cons = Lack of ridiculously amazing players, the players are getting better....they are, but we dont have any true "Holy shit he is unstoppable" players as of right now, makes it hard to really get behind someone in my opinion. Deathballs, wihle the game is improving and stepping away from these, there is still the dreaded and boring deathballs ...,Mostly in matchups with Protoss is what I observe.
So pretty much, why wouldnt you guys want this? Why must you be "BW fans" or "SC2 fans"? Why not just be "Starcraft fans"? I think this is cool, it might breathe some new life into the BW scene and its starting a more rapid integration in the Korean scene (I'm sure they are hesitant about the change).
SO as STARCRAFT fans lets look at this through some optimism yes?
Starcraft for life <3
All your posts have been trolling BW threads, why have you not been banned yet?
I am not even close to trolling with my current post, so that is a pretty irrelevant point.
I used to troll simply because it seems that alot of Broodwar fanboys are so ridiculously biased that they would make any QQ regular on the Starcraft 2 forums pale in comparison.
But after having a few in depth conversations with some intelligent Broodwar fans it really just seems to follow the mantra of a few bad apples ruin it for the whole bunch.
In any case, stop trolling me, if you dont have anything productive to say then gtfo please.
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Canada5565 Posts
this is so bad rofl it can't be true
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edit: actually i dont care 
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On March 24 2012 03:28 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:25 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:22 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all. That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea. lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse. That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively ( regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial. It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right? Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves That's why I said "is bringing a new level of progaming" as in "is starting to bring", instead of "brought": What makes you think foreigners will start to earn salarys? At this pace, foreigners will disappear slowly as BW players switch to SC2
There is a competitive structure in the west that didn't exist in BW. I think that may have the ability to fuel a sustainable progaming scene, because that structure is starting to be able to monetize themselves in a way that may allow for a better chance of turning profits for the players, and in turn making the teams sustainable.
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On March 24 2012 00:56 Ozarugold wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 00:53 Nemesis wrote:On March 24 2012 00:52 GTR wrote:
i'd rather see one game rather than the mix of games, what the fuck.
this is like mixing special force + counter strike sets in one match. THIS. This is why if this happens proleague is dead to me. Imagine if this was done in sports. Play football (American) in the first half then football (soccer) the second half. Overtime would be rugby.
lolz.
Anyway, I don't believe this the slightest. Just a rumour.
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The SC2 forums let alone the LR threads? You will forever be a joke PG.
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This ain't a good idea to say the least lol.
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On March 24 2012 03:31 JohnnyPG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 02:41 Garrl wrote:On March 24 2012 02:07 JohnnyPG wrote:
There is a shit load of angry BW fanboys on here D:
Now, coming from a relatively unbiased point of view, I think this is going to really bring the community together :D
I closely follow both BW and SC2 because both of them have their inherent flaws and their awesome traits.
BW Pros : Ridiculous APM requirements, old school heroes like Bisu and JD, difficult interface, so you know those boys are just clickin and clackin away on those keyboards >: D these two things just make it sooo fucking interesting to watch because you know that pure talent is behind those screens.
BW cons = Eyesore, not saying BW is just unwatchable, but by modern standards, ya -___- Lack of new faces, we all know Flash, JD, Bisu, and the likes are always going to be at the forefront, no room for growth, guys..I love BW because of the incredible talent that is in it, but lets be honest with ourselves as fans, this move is a desperation move, because money and time are running out for our beloved game.
SC2 pros = Gorgeous to watch, all commentary is in English (for the most part), large foreign community with talent and potential, game is still young, strategies and metagame are expanding all the time, the game is already becoming much less deathball dependent, I saw a game with Puma the other day where he was executing double pronged drops and micro'ing them well along with his marine tank push, I was thoroughly impressed, the apm on that is sick, it seems like the true talent and practice is finally showing through,
Sc2 cons = Lack of ridiculously amazing players, the players are getting better....they are, but we dont have any true "Holy shit he is unstoppable" players as of right now, makes it hard to really get behind someone in my opinion. Deathballs, wihle the game is improving and stepping away from these, there is still the dreaded and boring deathballs ...,Mostly in matchups with Protoss is what I observe.
So pretty much, why wouldnt you guys want this? Why must you be "BW fans" or "SC2 fans"? Why not just be "Starcraft fans"? I think this is cool, it might breathe some new life into the BW scene and its starting a more rapid integration in the Korean scene (I'm sure they are hesitant about the change).
SO as STARCRAFT fans lets look at this through some optimism yes?
Starcraft for life <3
All your posts have been trolling BW threads, why have you not been banned yet? I am not even close to trolling with my current post, so that is a pretty irrelevant point.
I used to troll simply because it seems that alot of Broodwar fanboys are so ridiculously biased that they would make any QQ regular on the Starcraft 2 forums pale in comparison.But after having a few in depth conversations with some intelligent Broodwar fans it really just seems to follow the mantra of a few bad apples ruin it for the whole bunch. In any case, stop trolling me, if you dont have anything productive to say then gtfo please.
Ladies and gentlemen, please don't take this troll too seriously.
Have a great day.
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On March 24 2012 03:34 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:28 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:25 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:22 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all. That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea. lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse. That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively ( regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial. It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right? Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves That's why I said "is bringing a new level of progaming" as in "is starting to bring", instead of "brought": What makes you think foreigners will start to earn salarys? At this pace, foreigners will disappear slowly as BW players switch to SC2 There is a competitive structure in the west that didn't exist in BW. I think that may have the ability to fuel a sustainable progaming scene, because that structure is starting to be able to monetize themselves in a way that may allow for a better chance of turning profits for the players, and in turn making the teams sustainable.
What in the blue hell are you chirping about? We had our own competitive structure bucko. Not comparative to the Korean's system, but that doesn't change the fact that players could still go over there and try to go through Courage. Only a few guys made it out and the rest of the licenses were handouts.
There was a competitive structure. Don't shit on everything that we've done please, thanks.
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On March 24 2012 03:34 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:28 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:25 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:22 jidolboy wrote:On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all. That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea. lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse. That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively ( regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial. It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right? Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves That's why I said "is bringing a new level of progaming" as in "is starting to bring", instead of "brought": What makes you think foreigners will start to earn salarys? At this pace, foreigners will disappear slowly as BW players switch to SC2 There is a competitive structure in the west that didn't exist in BW. I think that may have the ability to fuel a sustainable progaming scene, because that structure is starting to be able to monetize themselves in a way that may allow for a better chance of turning profits for the players, and in turn making the teams sustainable.
I hope this was a joke. What competitive scene in the west?
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Canada450 Posts
Guess we'll all be watching a whole lotta kpop during those even sets...
Not happy about this at all -_-. Just leave BW alone :'(.
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On March 24 2012 03:36 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2012 03:31 JohnnyPG wrote:On March 24 2012 02:41 Garrl wrote:On March 24 2012 02:07 JohnnyPG wrote:
There is a shit load of angry BW fanboys on here D:
Now, coming from a relatively unbiased point of view, I think this is going to really bring the community together :D
I closely follow both BW and SC2 because both of them have their inherent flaws and their awesome traits.
BW Pros : Ridiculous APM requirements, old school heroes like Bisu and JD, difficult interface, so you know those boys are just clickin and clackin away on those keyboards >: D these two things just make it sooo fucking interesting to watch because you know that pure talent is behind those screens.
BW cons = Eyesore, not saying BW is just unwatchable, but by modern standards, ya -___- Lack of new faces, we all know Flash, JD, Bisu, and the likes are always going to be at the forefront, no room for growth, guys..I love BW because of the incredible talent that is in it, but lets be honest with ourselves as fans, this move is a desperation move, because money and time are running out for our beloved game.
SC2 pros = Gorgeous to watch, all commentary is in English (for the most part), large foreign community with talent and potential, game is still young, strategies and metagame are expanding all the time, the game is already becoming much less deathball dependent, I saw a game with Puma the other day where he was executing double pronged drops and micro'ing them well along with his marine tank push, I was thoroughly impressed, the apm on that is sick, it seems like the true talent and practice is finally showing through,
Sc2 cons = Lack of ridiculously amazing players, the players are getting better....they are, but we dont have any true "Holy shit he is unstoppable" players as of right now, makes it hard to really get behind someone in my opinion. Deathballs, wihle the game is improving and stepping away from these, there is still the dreaded and boring deathballs ...,Mostly in matchups with Protoss is what I observe.
So pretty much, why wouldnt you guys want this? Why must you be "BW fans" or "SC2 fans"? Why not just be "Starcraft fans"? I think this is cool, it might breathe some new life into the BW scene and its starting a more rapid integration in the Korean scene (I'm sure they are hesitant about the change).
SO as STARCRAFT fans lets look at this through some optimism yes?
Starcraft for life <3
All your posts have been trolling BW threads, why have you not been banned yet? I am not even close to trolling with my current post, so that is a pretty irrelevant point.
I used to troll simply because it seems that alot of Broodwar fanboys are so ridiculously biased that they would make any QQ regular on the Starcraft 2 forums pale in comparison.But after having a few in depth conversations with some intelligent Broodwar fans it really just seems to follow the mantra of a few bad apples ruin it for the whole bunch. In any case, stop trolling me, if you dont have anything productive to say then gtfo please. Ladies and gentlemen, please don't take this troll too seriously. Have a great day.
I agree folks, dont take the guy thats attempting to be unbiased about things opinion over the people that just say, "trolololollol lmfao" because, well that would just be foolish.
Obviously the intelligence factor speaks for itself concerning that one.
Thanks man, I am actually having a nice day :D
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On March 24 2012 03:25 StarStruck wrote:
Actually BW is a completely different game from SC2. They might share the name, but the rules, flow and everything about the game is totally different. Sorry bud.
If you were talking to me, I wasn't talking about the game itself, I know they're different, I played SC and BW on release. I'm talking about how the different way Blizzard has tweaked both games may be interfering in the scenes of both games in totally different ways, one for the better and one for the worse.
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