EPTRumors on SC Proleague Season 2 - Page 10
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
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NoDDiE
Poland170 Posts
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seanisgrand
United States1039 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote: lol "level" "progaming" i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse. That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
or should they just outright kill bw? | ||
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote: maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ? If they're going to mix it up, yeah. BW progamers aren't going to give it their best in BW anyway since SC2 is the new game they would phase to. I would not support SC2 if that were the case and I would be very surprised if TV ratings for SC2 (once the switch happens) would really go up. Because right now, it's not doing so well. --; On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote: That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial. | ||
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Backstein
Germany16 Posts
pro: - more fans for SC2 -> more sponsors for SC2-teams -> (better) salaries for SC2-players - SC2-fans are "forced" to watch the awesomeness that is BW - BW won't be cancelled from PL contra: - less BW - BW-teams might "steal" SC2-players from SC2-teams as they can afford them -> SC2-teams won't be able to afford good BW-players - the games are far to different from one another to be in the same competition I have very very mixed feelings about this ... all the way from terrible to awesome. | ||
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jaQi
1121 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote: maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ? It's not about killing BW -.- and if there is the moment where BW really has to leave, than it should leave with the respect it deserves. This "rumor solution" is just completely crap in any aspect. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote: That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. Please say RTS if you are talking about RTS progaming only, because there was and still is a western Esports. Oh forgot about WC3, so i guess you mean Starcraft progaming? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote: That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant. WCIII did pretty well for itself man. It existed. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote: maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ? Well let's put it this way what if Sc2 is mix with LoL to promote LoL to sc2 fan base and it will have the same format as mention in OP . Will you like it this way ? I don't know but if I am a LoL fan I would be happy, however If I am a sc2 fan than I would be totally annoyed if my team loses the match because my players can't play lol really well . This is what's happening with mixing both games . No bw fan would want to get interrupted suddenly in a subsequent number of matches just because it reaches the even or odd number and the game is switch to another game . We have always been given a full course of bw and now you are taking away this privilege that has always been enjoyed ? . | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote: I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial. It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. On March 24 2012 03:18 bgx wrote: Please say RTS if you are talking about RTS progaming only, because there was and still is a western Esports. Oh forgot about WC3, so i guess you mean Starcraft progaming? Yeah I meant Starcraft, both BW and SC2. | ||
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote: It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. I don't hate the game. I hate how the game is being pushed and forced into everyone. This is because Blizzard is so rich they can throw money wherever the fuck they want. The game is not being developed naturally like BW is. It's had what, dozens of balance patches whereas the major BW patch was 1.07? The whole ESPORTS thing is what irks me from giving the game another chance. Like I said, the scene to me seems so fake/forced upon others. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote: It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right? Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
How about we just call them jobs instead? They make a living off of it. Surely, but there's a whole bunch of them who cannot win on any given Sunday. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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NoDDiE
Poland170 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:19 Sawamura wrote: Well let's put it this way what if Sc2 is mix with LoL to promote LoL to sc2 fan base and it will have the same format as mention in OP . Will you like it this way ? I don't know but if I am a LoL fan I would be happy, however If I am a sc2 fan than I would be totally annoyed if my team loses the match because my players can play lol really well . This is what's happening with mixing both games . No bw fan would want to get interrupted suddenly in a subsequent number of matches just because it reaches the even or odd number and the game is switch to another game . We have always been given a full course of bw and now you are taking away this privilege that has always been enjoyed ? . sc2 as name suggest is comparable to sc1 while lol is much diffrent game. sure u can argue that sc1=/=sc2 of course its not exactly same game but still mechanics//blizzard//pro scene are similar. and that way bw is going to be more popular(not dead ?) cause lot of sc2 ppl are going to watch it. and i bet team's are gonna have dedicated sc1//sc2 division so its not gonna affect level of play. for me its win//win situation (i like bw//sc2) for most openminded people. unless you wanna kill bw by strongly rejecting any way to cooperate with those 2 games | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote: It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are. Yeah I meant Starcraft, both BW and SC2. You know what, and thats why SC2 is bad. You dont design the game to cure the situation of esports, you make the game to build the community, after you build the community the esports happens itself, thats how CS Esports happened and its the most succesfull western esport. Its still played to this day and its even older than Korean starcraft-brand esports | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:22 jidolboy wrote: You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right? Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves That's why I said "is bringing a new level of progaming" as in "is starting to bring", instead of "brought". On March 24 2012 03:21 SlowBullets wrote: I don't hate the game. I hate how the game is being pushed and forced into everyone. This is because Blizzard is so rich they can throw money wherever the fuck they want. The game is not being developed naturally like BW is. It's had what, dozens of balance patches whereas the major BW patch was 1.07? The whole ESPORTS thing is what irks me from giving the game another chance. Like I said, the scene to me seems so fake/forced upon others. Yeah that's certainly something against it, and there are still two more expansions to go... At least Starcraft programing in Korea practically started with BW, it gave another level of stability. That and the fact that there wasn't nearly the same level of developer-community interaction, so Blizzard didn't immediately respond to the balance complains by releasing new patches. That is really one of the main reasons SC2 has a lot of trouble in stabilizing. I personally don't care much about the e-sports stuff and the term irks me, I prefer to call it competitive gaming. | ||
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SlowBullets
United States839 Posts
On March 24 2012 03:22 StarStruck wrote: Being a pro has lost it's meaning. Practically anyone can call themselves pro's now. How about we just call them jobs instead? They make a living off of it. Surely, but there's a whole bunch of them who cannot win on any given Sunday. Ahh, the days when progamers were sharing rooms and eating ramyun and barely made any money. That's what real progamers were. The drive and passion they once had which eventually sculpted the scene which we have now. Truly the glorious days...when being a progamer had meaning. | ||
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