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greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
March 23 2012 18:11 GMT
#181
how should this working? are the bw team hiring sc2 koreans? or will it really be a GSL with really good sc2 players AND bw with average sc2 player and yet, they promote the average sc2 player as best in the world? really?
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
March 23 2012 18:13 GMT
#182
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ?
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
seanisgrand
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1039 Posts
March 23 2012 18:15 GMT
#183
This sounds like a well thought out idea and I don't see any way this doesn't work.
This is well below quality expected of a post in any forum. -Empyrean
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:15:50
March 23 2012 18:15 GMT
#184
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
March 23 2012 18:15 GMT
#185
hey look at the bright side at least there is some bw...

or should they just outright kill bw?
banelings
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:16:38
March 23 2012 18:15 GMT
#186
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote:
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ?

If they're going to mix it up, yeah. BW progamers aren't going to give it their best in BW anyway since SC2 is the new game they would phase to.

I would not support SC2 if that were the case and I would be very surprised if TV ratings for SC2 (once the switch happens) would really go up. Because right now, it's not doing so well. --;

On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
Backstein
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany16 Posts
March 23 2012 18:16 GMT
#187
The reason for this is obviously to make SC2 more popular in Korea by making the fans of the existing BW-teams cheer for the SC2-players on that team.
pro:
- more fans for SC2 -> more sponsors for SC2-teams -> (better) salaries for SC2-players
- SC2-fans are "forced" to watch the awesomeness that is BW
- BW won't be cancelled from PL
contra:
- less BW
- BW-teams might "steal" SC2-players from SC2-teams as they can afford them
-> SC2-teams won't be able to afford good BW-players
- the games are far to different from one another to be in the same competition
I have very very mixed feelings about this ... all the way from terrible to awesome.
jaQi
Profile Joined December 2010
1121 Posts
March 23 2012 18:17 GMT
#188
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote:
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ?


It's not about killing BW -.- and if there is the moment where BW really has to leave, than it should leave with the respect it deserves. This "rumor solution" is just completely crap in any aspect.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:20:03
March 23 2012 18:18 GMT
#189
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.

Please say RTS if you are talking about RTS progaming only, because there was and still is a western Esports.

Oh forgot about WC3, so i guess you mean Starcraft progaming?
Stork[gm]
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 23 2012 18:18 GMT
#190
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


WCIII did pretty well for itself man. It existed.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:20:27
March 23 2012 18:19 GMT
#191
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote:
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ?


Well let's put it this way what if Sc2 is mix with LoL to promote LoL to sc2 fan base and it will have the same format as mention in OP . Will you like it this way ? I don't know but if I am a LoL fan I would be happy, however If I am a sc2 fan than I would be totally annoyed if my team loses the match because my players can't play lol really well .

This is what's happening with mixing both games . No bw fan would want to get interrupted suddenly in a subsequent number of matches just because it reaches the even or odd number and the game is switch to another game . We have always been given a full course of bw and now you are taking away this privilege that has always been enjoyed ? .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:21:07
March 23 2012 18:19 GMT
#192
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.

It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are.


On March 24 2012 03:18 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.

Please say RTS if you are talking about RTS progaming only, because there was and still is a western Esports.

Oh forgot about WC3, so i guess you mean Starcraft progaming?

Yeah I meant Starcraft, both BW and SC2.
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
March 23 2012 18:21 GMT
#193
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.

It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are.

I don't hate the game. I hate how the game is being pushed and forced into everyone. This is because Blizzard is so rich they can throw money wherever the fuck they want. The game is not being developed naturally like BW is. It's had what, dozens of balance patches whereas the major BW patch was 1.07?

The whole ESPORTS thing is what irks me from giving the game another chance. Like I said, the scene to me seems so fake/forced upon others.
1:1 go sc2 LAN? Oh wait...
sour_eraser
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada932 Posts
March 23 2012 18:22 GMT
#194
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.

It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are.


You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right?
Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves
"What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 23 2012 18:22 GMT
#195
Being a pro has lost it's meaning. Practically anyone can call themselves pro's now.

How about we just call them jobs instead? They make a living off of it. Surely, but there's a whole bunch of them who cannot win on any given Sunday.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 23 2012 18:23 GMT
#196
lol what
KTY
NoDDiE
Profile Joined November 2006
Poland170 Posts
March 23 2012 18:24 GMT
#197
On March 24 2012 03:19 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:13 NoDDiE wrote:
maybe they should just kill bw outright if you all are so against the idea of mixing ?


Well let's put it this way what if Sc2 is mix with LoL to promote LoL to sc2 fan base and it will have the same format as mention in OP . Will you like it this way ? I don't know but if I am a LoL fan I would be happy, however If I am a sc2 fan than I would be totally annoyed if my team loses the match because my players can play lol really well .

This is what's happening with mixing both games . No bw fan would want to get interrupted suddenly in a subsequent number of matches just because it reaches the even or odd number and the game is switch to another game . We have always been given a full course of bw and now you are taking away this privilege that has always been enjoyed ? .


sc2 as name suggest is comparable to sc1 while lol is much diffrent game. sure u can argue that sc1=/=sc2 of course its not exactly same game but still mechanics//blizzard//pro scene are similar.
and that way bw is going to be more popular(not dead ?) cause lot of sc2 ppl are going to watch it. and i bet team's are gonna have dedicated sc1//sc2 division so its not gonna affect level of play. for me its win//win situation (i like bw//sc2) for most openminded people.
unless you wanna kill bw by strongly rejecting any way to cooperate with those 2 games
One for the money , two for the show , straight to hell is where i go
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
March 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#198
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.

It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are.


Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:18 bgx wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.

Please say RTS if you are talking about RTS progaming only, because there was and still is a western Esports.

Oh forgot about WC3, so i guess you mean Starcraft progaming?

Yeah I meant Starcraft, both BW and SC2.

You know what, and thats why SC2 is bad. You dont design the game to cure the situation of esports, you make the game to build the community, after you build the community the esports happens itself, thats how CS Esports happened and its the most succesfull western esport. Its still played to this day and its even older than Korean starcraft-brand esports

Stork[gm]
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-23 18:29:23
March 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#199
On March 24 2012 03:22 jidolboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.

It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are.


You do know barely any foreign team pays their player salarys right?
Otherwise I would not call it progaming because they are not earning any income to support themselves

That's why I said "is bringing a new level of progaming" as in "is starting to bring", instead of "brought".


On March 24 2012 03:21 SlowBullets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2012 03:19 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:15 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:10 SlowBullets wrote:
On March 24 2012 03:07 howLiN wrote:
On March 24 2012 01:39 Jealous wrote:
This way I can be an elitist and tell SC2 fans tales about the good days when good games were getting good ratings and were making good money for good sponsors, and how their game and its backers destroyed it all.

That's really unnecessary... If anything SC2 is bringing a new level of progaming outside Korea.

lol

"level"

"progaming"

i really don't think so...if anything the levels are way significantly worse.

That's irrelevant if there literally wasn't any level of progaming outside of Korea at all before SC2. And programing implies to make a living playing a game competitively (regardless of skill), so I don't know what the quotation marks are for other than to be condescendant.


I used quotes because it's not really progaming and the level of players at the moment is not impressive whatsoever. Feels so artificial.

It really is progaming, there are paychecks and stuff. Maybe it feels artificial because you choose to hate the game but again, that's irrelevant to the legitimacy of its professional scene. Things are what they are.

I don't hate the game. I hate how the game is being pushed and forced into everyone. This is because Blizzard is so rich they can throw money wherever the fuck they want. The game is not being developed naturally like BW is. It's had what, dozens of balance patches whereas the major BW patch was 1.07?

The whole ESPORTS thing is what irks me from giving the game another chance. Like I said, the scene to me seems so fake/forced upon others.

Yeah that's certainly something against it, and there are still two more expansions to go... At least Starcraft programing in Korea practically started with BW, it gave another level of stability. That and the fact that there wasn't nearly the same level of developer-community interaction, so Blizzard didn't immediately respond to the balance complains by releasing new patches. That is really one of the main reasons SC2 has a lot of trouble in stabilizing.

I personally don't care much about the e-sports stuff and the term irks me, I prefer to call it competitive gaming.
SlowBullets
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States839 Posts
March 23 2012 18:25 GMT
#200
On March 24 2012 03:22 StarStruck wrote:
Being a pro has lost it's meaning. Practically anyone can call themselves pro's now.

How about we just call them jobs instead? They make a living off of it. Surely, but there's a whole bunch of them who cannot win on any given Sunday.

Ahh, the days when progamers were sharing rooms and eating ramyun and barely made any money.

That's what real progamers were. The drive and passion they once had which eventually sculpted the scene which we have now. Truly the glorious days...when being a progamer had meaning.
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