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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On January 27 2012 19:02 sluggaslamoo wrote: Well the thing is, nearly all BW players have tried SC2 to a certain extent. Not many SC2 players have even seen BW. so real  | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On January 27 2012 18:28 Gecko[Xp] wrote: It reads a lot like his very own impressions, e.g. him not being under stress or under stress too little. I don't know who or where he played, but BW is a shitload of stress, given that your opponent is somewhat around your level. There are more points like his impressions on micro management and such. Hard to phrase in words, especially since I (still) don't get what he wants me to do with his text. I see no point in like... is that some sort of recruitment, or? Maybe I'm not smart enough to understand, I'll just deal with it. Edit: it seems like I misunderstood the context of his statement, so nvm. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On January 30 2012 00:59 .Sic. wrote: By saying BW is a shitload of stress, you're implying sc2 is not a shitload of stress? cause that's just flat out pretentious. Depends on how you quantify a shit load. | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On January 27 2012 20:22 Sinedd wrote: I played SC2 for like 6 months it was cool at first but then started to bore me... then I came back after like 6 more months, played 5 games. Did shit that didnt make any sense (no strict build orders and stuff) won all games pretty convincingly. I didnt played SC2 from that day. This is flat out silly. Unless you were playing against top players (at least high masters/grandmasters level), I don't think you should can judge by the 5 games. | ||
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GeckoVOD
Germany814 Posts
On January 30 2012 00:59 .Sic. wrote: By saying BW is a shitload of stress, you're implying sc2 is not a shitload of stress? cause that's just flat out pretentious. That made me facepalm. Why do you want to fight so badly? His point: he thinks SC2 puts him into more stressing stituations. Point given to him, that might be true. For him. My point: I already have that in BW. My experience. Now: where did I exactly try to imply anything? Trust me, I really do not care about SC2 and/or have feelings towards it. It's a game, why should I rage about it, or for that matter, offend anyone who plays it? That's stupid. Just accept that these are games, not some sort of science where you can argue which of two theories is correct. It's a matter of taste. That's why I don't get this thread at all. You wouldn't ask me to eat potato soup twenty times in a row when I already told you after the third time that I don't like it. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On January 28 2012 23:20 Alex) wrote: But the real question is did you play it when the game came out? or in beta? because back then the game was shit but right now its alot better. Thats my whole problem with this bw vs sc2 is most bw players played a few games when it was in beta or when it just came out and the game was bad back then. Play it now or watch a few vods and you can see the game is alot better. I've played it on and off when my friends play it. Every time I pick it up, I still don't like it.  Edit: As a C player, nothing in SC2 refines anything I know in BW. In fact, it arguably makes it all worse. So, no, I think for someone at my particular skill level (which is defined as around okay/average for most people), playing SC2 is not worth it outside some side entertainment that I barely can call "entertainment". Edit 2: Though I will consent that recent SC2 games have gotten a little better. Huk is always fun to watch. On January 29 2012 01:13 BarneyEX wrote: Somehow I sort of agree with you, I honestly thought the campaign was very well made eventhough the story was rather mediocre. I actually spent more time playing the campaign than the multiplayer and in my opinion the multiplayer was rather poorly designed. SC2 had a terrible storyline though. Sure the missions were fun, but the story left such a bad taste in my mouth after I was done with it. On January 29 2012 12:42 Starburst wrote: Mods should this thread IMO. What started off as an earnest attempt to help the SC2 vs BW situation has kinda gotten a little out of hand. As someone who loves BW and sees that Starcraft 2 is a good game on its own (for it can't be compared to BW because they are so very different), you all are just plain dumb. Get your flaming out of here. At least the Elephant in the Closet thread has some legitimate discussion in it. wut | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On January 30 2012 01:15 Zergneedsfood wrote: I've played it on and off when my friends play it. Every time I pick it up, I still don't like it. Edit: As a C player, nothing in SC2 refines anything I know in BW. In fact, it arguably makes it all worse. So, no, I think for someone at my particular skill level (which is defined as around okay/average for most people), playing SC2 is not worth it outside some side entertainment that I barely can call "entertainment". Edit 2: Though I will consent that recent SC2 games have gotten a little better. Huk is always fun to watch. This sounds a lot like me. When i just picked it up, i massed about 600 1v1 1st season (splitting b/w P n Z), and some 2v2, 3v3. Another season when i didn't really play. The seaon after, my friend told me he wants to play together so i came back and play some games w him almost everyday. I still don't like it, and i never turn it on to play by myself, ever (after the first season, ofc). Edit: Nvm, forget it Edit2: Holy mother of God im a Reaver?!?!.. Bisu can't pilot me anymore | ||
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
im not entirely convinced sc2 can ever get to where bw is because of how severely significant the sc2 battles are. in sc2 it seems like you could be 100% dead five seconds after your opponent sees the advantage, i.e. the engagement where your forcefields are a bit off, or emp gets all the hts, etc etc. i haven't watched as much bw as you guys, but something that stood out to me was a pvt game i watched where the protoss did a nexus first or 1gate expo perhaps (looked to be closer positions than most maps. again, not the most familiar with bw. maybe this is standard even in closer positions? it was a featured bw terran streamer, i don't recall who) and the terran scouts it and says lol ur dead. it took him 10 minutes to choke him out though after having him pinned the entire game. also remember a tvz game where the zerg was down supply the whole game, losing bases everywhere. ultras and defilers were in the game by that point and it looked over for a good 10 minutes as well. but, he still had those 10 minutes to do something. seems like the one guy is clearly losing but hes got 10 minutes to pull off some miracle whereas sc2 you don't have anywhere near that amount of time to come back. unless of course its real late game and you have 15 barracks or gateways. my experience with bw was i saw people doing builds a full two minutes quicker than they had been able to do it a year before when i first saw it. so maybe given time, sc2 could do something similar | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
I ll also briefly recap that SC2 is built off 10 odd years of data and experience, and is not as much of an infant as you would like to think. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66071 Posts
On January 29 2012 14:27 corumjhaelen wrote: I don't encounter the problem that much, especially when I can host. That being said, Ribbon is right, we don't have enough low level players. Nevertheless, if you just improve enough to get to like C-, you'll get good enough to dick around a bit (cf Konadora <3). Also, I really think you need to have a decent understanding of the game to do this efficiently, not only mechanics. That being saif Ribbon, if you want to dick around during week-ends, just PM (can't host during the week TT), I'm probably a tad better than you, but I need to play more creative and relaxed games in BW^^ lolwutwut?? i just try to make my games fun for viewers to watch :3 but yeah, i've played and watched the game long enough to understand how the game flows, just that my brain and hands can't keep up to it lol. but as said, if you improve enough to understand the flow of the game, you can try to deviate a bit :p and i still lose to D players :s | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On January 30 2012 01:15 Zergneedsfood wrote: I've played it on and off when my friends play it. Every time I pick it up, I still don't like it. Edit: As a C player, nothing in SC2 refines anything I know in BW. In fact, it arguably makes it all worse. So, no, I think for someone at my particular skill level (which is defined as around okay/average for most people), playing SC2 is not worth it outside some side entertainment that I barely can call "entertainment". Edit 2: Though I will consent that recent SC2 games have gotten a little better. Huk is always fun to watch. SC2 had a terrible storyline though. Sure the missions were fun, but the story left such a bad taste in my mouth after I was done with it. wut Single Player Campaign had fun missions, I enjoy ZNF's fanfics more than SC2 canon though. The canon left me confused and like uhhh what?-ish impression | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
On January 30 2012 01:19 ffreakk wrote: Edit2: Holy mother of God im a Reaver?!?!.. Bisu can't pilot me anymore No Reaversu or Carriersu :< | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
Now that I am wraith Fantasy will suicide me into a pack of carriers | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On January 29 2012 19:57 Snipinpanda wrote: I've seen C+ zergs get stomped by B/B+ Protosses going scouts. By the same token, I've lost many, many, many to objectively "bad" builds, but they were better players, so I lost. I've also played people that I knew that no matter what I did, they would lose because the difference in skill is so big BW is "solved" in the sense that yeah, at progamer level that there's definite responses to pretty much everything, but everything below that you can do whatever you want and win as long as you have enough skill (having good mechanics, understanding strategy, not easy at all, but lol). Yeah, some builds are better vs other builds, but ultimately, if you're the better player you should win. Nah, there are still lots of things that currently don't have an answer or haven't been explored fully. (ie valk/vult tvz or later game wraith switches ((fanta vs hoejja on MP when he does +1 4rax into 3port wraith)) + Show Spoiler + also who beat lum with scouts lol | ||
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ionONE
Germany605 Posts
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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ClutchSC
Canada34 Posts
Second of all, I have to address a large majority of the BW community at large. What the fuck is your problem? Yes, BW has a higher skill cap as a game so far. Yes, the rivalries and games are more defined and can be extremely epic. And yes, the user interface of SC2 is very forgiving. But why, oh why do you have to shit all over SC2 constantly. We're all working towards developing eSports, but whenever I peruse through the BW section, all I see is hating on the SC2 scene; this just shouldn't happen. All that this achieves is the total alienation of a massive fanbase that BW players should be trying to appeal to. This is my request to a vast majority of the BW community; GROW THE FUCK UP. Grow up, so we can make eSports even bigger; SC2 has become the flagship of eSports and as much as you don't want to accept that, you have to. Once the BW community does accept that, we can all move forwards. Who knows, if the SC2 community gets into BW enough, there could even be MLG events that include it but this can only take once the BW community learns to drop the elitist attitude. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On January 30 2012 01:59 Disposition1989 wrote: i'd like to see this thread after sc2 has had 10 years of polish. what was bw like to play when it was 2 years old? (serious question, no sarcasm). We should keep count for how many times this ridiculous argument comes up in this thread. | ||
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EnergizerBunny
29 Posts
thankfully I never payed for it and just used a friends I'd otherwise I would be asking for my money back.Everybody should play a little BW. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
On January 30 2012 04:53 ClutchSC wrote: Second of all, I have to address a large majority of the BW community at large. What the fuck is your problem? Yes, BW has a higher skill cap as a game so far. Yes, the rivalries and games are more defined and can be extremely epic. And yes, the user interface of SC2 is very forgiving. But why, oh why do you have to shit all over SC2 constantly. We're all working towards developing eSports, but whenever I peruse through the BW section, all I see is hating on the SC2 scene; this just shouldn't happen. All that this achieves is the total alienation of a massive fanbase that BW players should be trying to appeal to. This is my request to a vast majority of the BW community; GROW THE FUCK UP. Grow up, so we can make eSports even bigger; SC2 has become the flagship of eSports and as much as you don't want to accept that, you have to. Once the BW community does accept that, we can all move forwards. Who knows, if the SC2 community gets into BW enough, there could even be MLG events that include it but this can only take once the BW community learns to drop the elitist attitude. Imagine WC4 was released and everybody you knew switched over to the newer game. Imagine the forum you used to so lovely participate in was flooded by newcomers saying that MVP and all other top SC2 players should switch to WC4 because SC2 is an old game and is not user friendly and is too hard to play. Imagine all the SC2 foreign tournaments disappearing into thin air. Now the only pro game tournament is GSL, and Gom still has not released any date when the next one will happen, not even guarantees there will be one after the last. Imagine Day[9] daylies on SC2 were gone, now he's doing WC4 daylies. Imagine TL now has changed its focus to WC4, and although they still keep good work with SC2, the vast majority of the users only talk about WC4. From TSL 42 on, now no more SC2, but WC4. Imagine that out of all SC2 teams, half of them disbanded, some focusing on WC4. And worst of all, imagine that WC4 is so much worse than SC2 in almost every single aspect from your point of view, after playing it and not enjoying almost anything in it. How would you feel? | ||
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