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jaymik
Korea (South)425 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
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Hier
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
Am I not getting a joke here... *edit -_-;; oh jay you so clever + Show Spoiler + optical ... shot | ||
Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? They struggle to find time to watch the games. Bo5 with ace is pretty imbalanced for certain teams, but damn no more epic games | ||
Fireflies
United Kingdom211 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8518 Posts
no winners league is a shock to me already but whats up with this no ace match thing? we gonna start seeing a league system similar to football where a tie is 1 point or something? and i dont see how fans could be divided on this...no winners league and no ace matches just made scbw lose so much entertainment value | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:29 OpticalShot wrote: What's with the camera pic? Am I not getting a joke here... *edit -_-;; oh jay you so clever + Show Spoiler + optical ... shot That picture only clicked when I saw your email address at the end of the article. On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches. Guess we'll only see All-Kills in the STX Cup, that is if it's still running. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:40 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont have the time to read the article so im just gonna ask here no winners league is a shock to me already but whats up with this no ace match thing? we gonna start seeing a league system similar to football where a tie is 1 point or something? and i dont see how fans could be divided on this...no winners league and no ace matches just made scbw lose so much entertainment value Its Bo5, so it cant be tie @.@ At the very least, I was hoping it to be Bo7 no ACE match... | ||
endy
Switzerland8966 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:40 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont have the time to read the article so im just gonna ask here no winners league is a shock to me already but whats up with this no ace match thing? we gonna start seeing a league system similar to football where a tie is 1 point or something? and i dont see how fans could be divided on this...no winners league and no ace matches just made scbw lose so much entertainment value There can't be a tie as it's a bo5. It's just that if the 5th game is needed, a player who has already played can't play again in the 5th game. | ||
ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
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yarders
United Kingdom194 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES48987 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- please don't throw that hurting esports crap. | ||
Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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moochu
Australia374 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
Sadly it's still a terrible idea. | ||
Hier
2390 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? They struggle to find time to watch the games. On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote: Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches. As opposed to when MBC and OGN used to stream games concurrently?? | ||
deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:04 dinmsab wrote: Ace matches are unfair to teams who don't have super players like Flash and Jeadong... I understand why they want it removed... Sadly it's still a terrible idea. Yeah, i mean, unless you have a players like Flash and Stats... Or Jaedong and Sea Or Hydra, Movie, and Effort Or Zero, Soulkey, and Light Or Bisu and Fantasy Or Stork and Jangbi Or Calm and Bogus Then Ace Matches are totally unfair. | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:05 Hier wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote: On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? They struggle to find time to watch the games. Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote: Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches. As opposed to when MBC and OGN used to stream games concurrently?? It's only a problem if they wish to watch both matches live (which is what I mentioned), you couldn't do that before when it was running concurrently. If they don't watch it live, it'll be the same as before. Go there, watch your team, go do whatever else and if you like watch the other matches online. | ||
smekz
Portugal503 Posts
i'm not a fan of the changes but i have faith that it might be for the best, 1 week left hypeeeee | ||
Greg_J
China4408 Posts
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Hier
2390 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:32 Hyde wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 23:05 Hier wrote: On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote: On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? They struggle to find time to watch the games. On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote: Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches. As opposed to when MBC and OGN used to stream games concurrently?? It's only a problem if they wish to watch both matches live (which is what I mentioned), you couldn't do that before when it was running concurrently. If they don't watch it live, it'll be the same as before. Go there, watch your team, go do whatever else and if you like watch the other matches online. Well I suppose the reason is that before the games were held in a comfortable time slot, during which students had enough time to watch the games. Now they have a free block of time too short to really do anything with? I guess it would be more practical to watch games live for 3 hours at a time instead of 6 hours. However, it appears as if OGN's 1pm time slot is gone; they had to compensate somewhere by cramming 4 of the 6 matches on the weekend. | ||
Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:29 OpticalShot wrote: What's with the camera pic? Am I not getting a joke here... *edit -_-;; oh jay you so clever + Show Spoiler + optical ... shot That picture only clicked when I saw your email address at the end of the article. + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches. Guess we'll only see All-Kills in the STX Cup, that is if it's still running. What's with everybody being clever in this thread. *laugh* I choose to remain mainly annoyed with the changes. Nice article OpticalShot. | ||
Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- please don't throw that hurting esports crap. Why not? + Show Spoiler + | ||
revy
United States1524 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote: Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league... Yeah, KT was terrible rounds 1 and 2, then were in first place after double winners league. But they marched through the playoffs as a team, not being carried by flash (by.flash?). Without WL last year we wouldn't have seen that playoff run happen. That has always been why I liked winners league, it gave a chance to teams that were inconsistent but with good potential. With there only being 8 teams now and a much higher skill concentration we may no longer need WL. Note: a cursory glance at my icon should explain my love of WL. | ||
GTR
51134 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:37 Greg_J wrote: The four O'clock start time sucks. No one is gonna make it to the games. We will have absolutly empty Yongsan arena for the first set of games. they should just swap it so that the sf2 games start at 16:00, and pl 18:00 or whatever. | ||
oBlade
Korea (South)4616 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:04 dinmsab wrote: Ace matches are unfair to teams who don't have super players like Flash and Jeadong... I understand why they want it removed... Sadly it's still a terrible idea. Ace sets make matches more fair for teams that are top-heavy rather than deep. Source: nights spent weeping after entire rounds of Oz dying 1-3 every match. | ||
Rokevo
Finland1033 Posts
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jlim
Spain943 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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hauton
Hong Kong743 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote: Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league... But it wasn't even Flash that carried KT during WL... wasn't it Stats who led in AKs? | ||
Emon_
3925 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? They struggle to find time to watch the games. Bo5 with ace is pretty imbalanced for certain teams, but damn no more epic games Making individual leagues that much more epic. Bisu should have a shot at an OSL gold now On November 19 2011 23:17 deafhobbit wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yeah, i mean, unless you have a players like Flash and Stats... Or Jaedong and Sea Or Hydra, Movie, and Effort Or Zero, Soulkey, and Light Or Bisu and Fantasy Or Stork and Jangbi Or Calm and Bogus I dare you to say that with a straight face | ||
vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- Winners league was a cool break, but in terms of their usual format, it wasn't usually the best move for keeping things competitive. Also, probably at least slightly bad for players' health. Also yeah, none of this "hurting esports" bullshit please. I just think the lack of an ace match takes away something, that feel of a closer. It's also going to reward teams to have more depth, but meh. I'd prefer an ace match always. | ||
Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- please don't throw that hurting esports crap. Bo5 = less games Bo7 = more games Winners league say what? -less time overall I think I made my point. -Yours truly, cowgoesmoo | ||
Djabanete
United States2783 Posts
With a 2v2. GAAAAAAAAAAAH I used up my 2000th post by accident. Maybe I can get 1000 more in the 8 vs SKT live report. >< | ||
supernovamaniac
United States3046 Posts
On November 20 2011 00:35 jlim wrote: i was expecting pics like vancouver hockey riots + Show Spoiler + with a keyboard instead of a stick Oh hell, if they have one of those in Korea you'll have shitload of police blocking the riot, many fans raging and charging into the police for trying to break them up, and lots of camera shots from the press, just to capture the embarrassing moments. | ||
ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On November 20 2011 03:45 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- please don't throw that hurting esports crap. Bo5 = less games Bo7 = more games Winners league say what? -less time overall I think I made my point. -Yours truly, cowgoesmoo No, i too agree that "E-Sport" doesnt fit anywhere in the equation. I don't understand why that notion of e-Sport starts to get so popular to people recently. In any case, i understand the back-switch to Bo5 due to limited broadcast time, and additional exposure for new players + heavily favoring teams w S-class Ace would be a good reason to abolish Ace match... It just doesnt feel.. right.. Ace match is something seemingly unique to SPL, and i have always enjoyed it.. The marquee match-up of the day, no more >.< | ||
setzer
United States3284 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
Due to scheduling conflicts, weekday proleague games were scheduled for 4pm, which being regarded as an impossible time for fans to either attend live or watch offline. is that supposed to be "... or watch online"? | ||
aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- Stupid, thoughtless posts like this needs to stop. Seriously. The problem with BW is that games could take long hours especially with maps with 324095480699 possible expansions. I think Kespa could have made a map with less minerals on patch and on the same number of possible expansions, that way games can be faster but I think that would fuck up the balance. so meh .. With MBC gone, it's just not possible to give out long elaborated games | ||
KamMoye
United States721 Posts
i was less happy about no more ace matches but on second thought i won't mind. 5 games isn't a lot and you don't need someone playing two out of five games. we're gonna see a lot more competition across the board. look at the top 5 of teams now: jaedong/baby/sea/killer/tyson flash/stats/mind/action/crazy-hydra bisu/fantasy/best/by.sun/soo leta/hydra/effort/snow/horang2 light/soulkey/zero/free/really stork/jangbi/roro/shine/grape (stx and ace are non-factors as far as i'm concerned) KT gets hurt the most while stars and khan benefit a ton. team 8 and cj become clear favorites, but stars/woongjin now have a fighting chance. | ||
L3gendary
Canada1469 Posts
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On November 20 2011 06:46 TheNessman wrote: Show nested quote + Due to scheduling conflicts, weekday proleague games were scheduled for 4pm, which being regarded as an impossible time for fans to either attend live or watch offline. is that supposed to be "... or watch online"? well it might refer to watching on TV whereas 'watching online' would always be possible, what with VODs and stuff. | ||
rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:12 setzer wrote: Kind of odd some Koreans think playing an ace match is somehow responsible for player injuries when in reality it is KeSPA and the teams enforcing 12 hour work schedules every day of the week, and that doesn't even account for the extra time top players are known to put in. its mostly 10 hours. and they are professionells... its their job so they work 10 hours a day dunno what is so wrong with that. and even with just 8 hours they HAVE TO play they still would play 12 or whatever. and without the ace match they can onyl be send out once. so they can practice that 1 map and not 2 maps. but atleast some Kespa evil shit in every thread :D | ||
TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote: Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league... Our second pony was better than your first, cut the anti KT crap. It's been said a million times that it's the Flash only team and it's been wrong everytime for the past two years. | ||
erin[go]bragh
United States815 Posts
Then again, this also might be a good time for new aces to appear. Lots of players perform better under pressure than others, so if a rookie ends up consistently doing well in the 5th spot and winning for his team, he'll get a lot of spotlight as opposed to the normal ace players. | ||
Motivate
2860 Posts
On November 20 2011 03:14 Emon_ wrote: Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote: Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday? They struggle to find time to watch the games. Bo5 with ace is pretty imbalanced for certain teams, but damn no more epic games Making individual leagues that much more epic. Bisu should have a shot at an OSL gold now Show nested quote + On November 19 2011 23:17 deafhobbit wrote: + Show Spoiler + Yeah, i mean, unless you have a players like Flash and Stats... Or Jaedong and Sea Or Hydra, Movie, and Effort Or Zero, Soulkey, and Light Or Bisu and Fantasy Or Stork and Jangbi Or Calm and Bogus I dare you to say that with a straight face huh? calm may be pretty bad right now but bogus is elo-peaking like a mofo and is going to be carrying stx this season imo. | ||
rebdomine
6040 Posts
The ace match was pretty much the cultivation of an epic set of games, usually showing as the two team's best players duking it out to give their team the win. Ace matches are instant hype producers. Why remove them?? | ||
synapse
China13814 Posts
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iSometric
2221 Posts
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Novelty
United States9 Posts
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jlim
Spain943 Posts
On November 20 2011 07:11 KamMoye wrote: good changes. last year there were a TON of boring, one-sided matches. now that it's best-of-5 we're going to see quality across the board. i was less happy about no more ace matches but on second thought i won't mind. 5 games isn't a lot and you don't need someone playing two out of five games. we're gonna see a lot more competition across the board. look at the top 5 of teams now: jaedong/baby/sea/killer/tyson flash/stats/mind/action/crazy-hydra bisu/fantasy/best/by.sun/soo leta/hydra/effort/snow/horang2 light/soulkey/zero/free/really stork/jangbi/roro/shine/grape (stx and ace are non-factors as far as i'm concerned) KT gets hurt the most while stars and khan benefit a ton. team 8 and cj become clear favorites, but stars/woongjin now have a fighting chance. i think you forgot hoejja in KT and really is retired | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 20 2011 05:12 setzer wrote: Kind of odd some Koreans think playing an ace match is somehow responsible for player injuries when in reality it is KeSPA and the teams enforcing 12 hour work schedules every day of the week, and that doesn't even account for the extra time top players are known to put in. KeSPA has nothing to do with enforcement of practice schedules, it is entirely up to the teams. Some teams only require a minimum 8 hour practice schedule, while teams like SKT have something more intense like 12. It's just that with less games to prepare for, the less amount of "extra time" a progamer has to put into practicing. When you have potentially up to four matches a week for PL to prepare for, along with individual league matches, it's going to require a fuckton of extra practice time by the player to be prepared. Not that injuries should be occuring anyways, with proper posture and appropriate breaks inbetween games. Flash is more of an exception to the rule regarding his injury, otherwise Jaedong, Bisu and every other top progamer would've been suffering similar injuries from RSI/tendinitis. The main complaint by progamers was moreso a lack of rest rather than injury. | ||
konadora
Singapore66060 Posts
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Holy Check
Romania155 Posts
On November 20 2011 08:42 erin[go]bragh wrote: Ace matches I'm more on the fence about. I can see why they are done away with, and it will balance the teams more and make depth more important, but at the same time that entertainment value will surely be missed. There is more entertainment value in a balanced Proleague than there is in the few truly worthy winner's league matchups. We've got individual leagues for that. Let's just hope for the sake of Bisu-fans hat he does make it in an individual league and that they will be able to see more than him demolishing mediocre zergs in PL. But as far as a team competition is concerned, it was really annoying to know from the get go that teams that are not SKT, KT, CJ don't stand a chance. It was annoying to know that once it got to the ace match, some of the teams insta-lost. It was annoying to be a Khan / Woongjin / Fox / STX fan (not ACE, we're all good). I bet it was annoying to be a CJ fan as well. And finally, as far as BO5 vs BO7 with ace goes, I would much rather see 4 (or even 5) very good matches instead of the considerable number of mediocre games a BO7 provides with, except for the ace match. | ||
Kaal
Djibouti2213 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:06 konadora wrote: winner's league needs to be a separate post-proleague season or something... i can't live without winner's league format completely gone :< That's a really good idea, and I totally agree about the WL. The removal of the ace match hurts more though. | ||
firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Seems they want to remove all the excitement TT | ||
Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 21 2011 18:16 ShadeR wrote: I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it???? I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage . How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement . I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better. | ||
sheaRZerg
United States613 Posts
I have mixed feelings about winners league. It did often produce more games with crowd favorites, but in those seem cases took a little bit of the team out of a team competition. And now that I dont have OZ to root for anymore...my team wont NEED it. ^^ | ||
ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:46 Holy Check wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 08:42 erin[go]bragh wrote: Ace matches I'm more on the fence about. I can see why they are done away with, and it will balance the teams more and make depth more important, but at the same time that entertainment value will surely be missed. There is more entertainment value in a balanced Proleague than there is in the few truly worthy winner's league matchups. We've got individual leagues for that. Let's just hope for the sake of Bisu-fans hat he does make it in an individual league and that they will be able to see more than him demolishing mediocre zergs in PL. But as far as a team competition is concerned, it was really annoying to know from the get go that teams that are not SKT, KT, CJ don't stand a chance. It was annoying to know that once it got to the ace match, some of the teams insta-lost. It was annoying to be a Khan / Woongjin / Fox / STX fan (not ACE, we're all good). I bet it was annoying to be a CJ fan as well. And finally, as far as BO5 vs BO7 with ace goes, I would much rather see 4 (or even 5) very good matches instead of the considerable number of mediocre games a BO7 provides with, except for the ace match. Now i might be a rabid Bisu fan, but im telling you Jaedong is not a mediocre Zerg >.< | ||
BobTheBuilder1377
Somalia335 Posts
On November 20 2011 04:31 ffreakk wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 03:45 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- please don't throw that hurting esports crap. Bo5 = less games Bo7 = more games Winners league say what? -less time overall I think I made my point. -Yours truly, cowgoesmoo No, i too agree that "E-Sport" doesnt fit anywhere in the equation. I don't understand why that notion of e-Sport starts to get so popular to people recently. In any case, i understand the back-switch to Bo5 due to limited broadcast time, and additional exposure for new players + heavily favoring teams w S-class Ace would be a good reason to abolish Ace match... It just doesnt feel.. right.. Ace match is something seemingly unique to SPL, and i have always enjoyed it.. The marquee match-up of the day, no more >.< You can disagree all you want. The of the matter is the less BW the less EPIC games which is really where my statement comes from. I don't care if S-class is heavily favored in ace matches. I just want amazing games and more BW. | ||
ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On November 21 2011 18:29 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 20 2011 04:31 ffreakk wrote: On November 20 2011 03:45 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote: Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_- please don't throw that hurting esports crap. Bo5 = less games Bo7 = more games Winners league say what? -less time overall I think I made my point. -Yours truly, cowgoesmoo No, i too agree that "E-Sport" doesnt fit anywhere in the equation. I don't understand why that notion of e-Sport starts to get so popular to people recently. In any case, i understand the back-switch to Bo5 due to limited broadcast time, and additional exposure for new players + heavily favoring teams w S-class Ace would be a good reason to abolish Ace match... It just doesnt feel.. right.. Ace match is something seemingly unique to SPL, and i have always enjoyed it.. The marquee match-up of the day, no more >.< You can disagree all you want. The of the matter is the less BW the less EPIC games which is really where my statement comes from. I don't care if S-class is heavily favored in ace matches. I just want amazing games and more BW. We were just really REALLY spoiled last season. | ||
sixfour
England11060 Posts
On November 21 2011 17:06 konadora wrote: winner's league needs to be a separate post-proleague season or something... i can't live without winner's league format completely gone :< dream league format is better again but I echo this statement. there's something about a crazy-hydra all-kill that just isn't replicated in normal games | ||
sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On November 21 2011 23:17 amazingxkcd wrote: Wait, so ACE can win Proleague now?! My thoughts exactly | ||
ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On November 21 2011 23:26 Count9 wrote: It's obvious they want to take influence away from the super stars like Flash or JD but aren't those the people want to see the most? It's also a great time for players to shine, like Frozean (aka CuteAngel) all killing or even Hyuk (granted that was in STX cup). Might be interesting to shake up the standings but a bad idea overall because I really don't want to see two snipers in the deciding game, I want to see Flash vs. JD, or JD vs. Bisu, or Flash vs. Best I think the biggest motivation behind the abolishment of the Ace match was so that more players can have screen time. Ace match means that 20% of the players won't be able to play, and lack of match experience can really hurt rookies. Then theres the lack of broadcast time that forced the matches to be Bo5 instead of Bo7. Nevertheless, i still hate the fact that we no longer have Ace matches. | ||
zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
On November 21 2011 18:22 Sawamura wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2011 18:16 ShadeR wrote: I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it???? I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage . How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement . I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better. A bit of a stretch but seeing as you're KT fan it's completely fine. What isn't fine is calling Mind an Ace player. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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chongu
Malaysia2568 Posts
On November 21 2011 18:22 Sawamura wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2011 18:16 ShadeR wrote: I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it???? I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage . How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement . I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better. Mind has only a 52% win rate career wise. 46% in PL09-10 and 53% last year. Mind is always more of a individual leaguer who plays well in a BoX and ruins Bisu fanboys' dreams. Makes no sense to field any player constantly (other than flash), you're really limiting yourself here. Swapping in and out players frequently (like what CJ does) based on their current performance - will be what we'll see all year imo. But less rookies definitely. | ||
Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Tapppi
Finland70 Posts
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Dandy4
United States493 Posts
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Holy Check
Romania155 Posts
On November 21 2011 23:17 amazingxkcd wrote: Wait, so ACE can win Proleague now?! Please give me a valid scenario (lineup vs lineup + potential results) where ACE can beat: - SKT - CJ - Team 8 And in order to win Proleague ACE has to be able to do this consistently, without dropping series to lesser teams. | ||
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