Korean fan reactions to Proleague changes

On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote:
Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday?

On November 19 2011 22:29 OpticalShot wrote:
What's with the camera pic?
Am I not getting a joke here...
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oh jay you so clever
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On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote:
Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday?

On November 19 2011 22:40 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i dont have the time to read the article so im just gonna ask here
no winners league is a shock to me already but whats up with this no ace match thing?
we gonna start seeing a league system similar to football where a tie is 1 point or something?
and i dont see how fans could be divided on this...no winners league and no ace matches just made scbw lose so much entertainment value

On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote:

They struggle to find time to watch the games.

On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote:
Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches.

On November 19 2011 23:04 dinmsab wrote:
Ace matches are unfair to teams who don't have super players like Flash and Jeadong... I understand why they want it removed...

Sadly it's still a terrible idea.

On November 19 2011 23:05 Hier wrote:


As opposed to when MBC and OGN used to stream games concurrently??

On November 19 2011 23:32 Hyde wrote:

It's only a problem if they wish to watch both matches live (which is what I mentioned), you couldn't do that before when it was running concurrently. If they don't watch it live, it'll be the same as before. Go there, watch your team, go do whatever else and if you like watch the other matches online.

On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote:

That picture only clicked when I saw your email address at the end of the article.
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On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:


please don't throw that hurting esports crap.

On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote:
Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league...

On November 19 2011 23:04 dinmsab wrote:
Ace matches are unfair to teams who don't have super players like Flash and Jeadong... I understand why they want it removed...

Sadly it's still a terrible idea.

On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote:
Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league...

On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote:
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Bo5 with ace is pretty imbalanced for certain teams, but damn no more epic games

On November 19 2011 23:17 deafhobbit wrote:
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Or Calm and Bogus

On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-

On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:


please don't throw that hurting esports crap.

On November 20 2011 00:35 jlim wrote:
i was expecting pics like vancouver hockey riots

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On November 20 2011 03:45 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:

Bo5 = less games
Bo7 = more games
Winners league say what?

-less time overall


I think I made my point.

-Yours truly, cowgoesmoo

Due to scheduling conflicts, weekday proleague games were scheduled for 4pm, which being regarded as an impossible time for fans to either attend live or watch offline.

On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-

On November 20 2011 06:46 TheNessman wrote:


is that supposed to be "... or watch online"?

On November 20 2011 05:12 setzer wrote:
Kind of odd some Koreans think playing an ace match is somehow responsible for player injuries when in reality it is KeSPA and the teams enforcing 12 hour work schedules every day of the week, and that doesn't even account for the extra time top players are known to put in.

On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote:
Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league...

On November 20 2011 03:14 Emon_ wrote:

Making individual leagues that much more epic. Bisu should have a shot at an OSL gold now


I dare you to say that with a straight face

On November 20 2011 07:11 KamMoye wrote:
good changes. last year there were a TON of boring, one-sided matches. now that it's best-of-5 we're going to see quality across the board.

i was less happy about no more ace matches but on second thought i won't mind. 5 games isn't a lot and you don't need someone playing two out of five games.

we're gonna see a lot more competition across the board. look at the top 5 of teams now:

jaedong/baby/sea/killer/tyson

flash/stats/mind/action/crazy-hydra

bisu/fantasy/best/by.sun/soo

leta/hydra/effort/snow/horang2

light/soulkey/zero/free/really

stork/jangbi/roro/shine/grape

(stx and ace are non-factors as far as i'm concerned)

KT gets hurt the most while stars and khan benefit a ton. team 8 and cj become clear favorites, but stars/woongjin now have a fighting chance.

On November 20 2011 05:12 setzer wrote:
Kind of odd some Koreans think playing an ace match is somehow responsible for player injuries when in reality it is KeSPA and the teams enforcing 12 hour work schedules every day of the week, and that doesn't even account for the extra time top players are known to put in.

On November 20 2011 08:42 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Ace matches I'm more on the fence about. I can see why they are done away with, and it will balance the teams more and make depth more important, but at the same time that entertainment value will surely be missed.

On November 21 2011 17:46 Holy Check wrote:



There is more entertainment value in a balanced Proleague than there is in the few truly worthy winner's league matchups. We've got individual leagues for that. Let's just hope for the sake of Bisu-fans hat he does make it in an individual league and that they will be able to see more than him demolishing mediocre zergs in PL.
But as far as a team competition is concerned, it was really annoying to know from the get go that teams that are not SKT, KT, CJ don't stand a chance. It was annoying to know that once it got to the ace match, some of the teams insta-lost. It was annoying to be a Khan / Woongjin / Fox / STX fan (not ACE, we're all good). I bet it was annoying to be a CJ fan as well.

And finally, as far as BO5 vs BO7 with ace goes, I would much rather see 4 (or even 5) very good matches instead of the considerable number of mediocre games a BO7 provides with, except for the ace match.

On November 20 2011 04:31 ffreakk wrote:


No, i too agree that "E-Sport" doesnt fit anywhere in the equation. I don't understand why that notion of e-Sport starts to get so popular to people recently.

In any case, i understand the back-switch to Bo5 due to limited broadcast time, and additional exposure for new players + heavily favoring teams w S-class Ace would be a good reason to abolish Ace match... It just doesnt feel.. right.. Ace match is something seemingly unique to SPL, and i have always enjoyed it.. The marquee match-up of the day, no more >.<

On November 21 2011 18:29 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:


You can disagree all you want. The of the matter is the less BW the less EPIC games which is really where my statement comes from. I don't care if S-class is heavily favored in ace matches. I just want amazing games and more BW.

On November 21 2011 17:06 konadora wrote:
winner's league needs to be a separate post-proleague season or something... i can't live without winner's league format completely gone :<

On November 21 2011 23:17 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wait, so ACE can win Proleague now?!

On November 21 2011 23:26 Count9 wrote:
It's obvious they want to take influence away from the super stars like Flash or JD but aren't those the people want to see the most? It's also a great time for players to shine, like Frozean (aka CuteAngel) all killing or even Hyuk (granted that was in STX cup). Might be interesting to shake up the standings but a bad idea overall because I really don't want to see two snipers in the deciding game, I want to see Flash vs. JD, or JD vs. Bisu, or Flash vs. Best

On November 21 2011 18:22 Sawamura wrote:


I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage .

How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement .

I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better.

On November 21 2011 18:22 Sawamura wrote:


I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage .

How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement .

I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better.

On November 21 2011 23:17 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wait, so ACE can win Proleague now?!