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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
November 21 2011 09:10 GMT
#61
But ace matches are the best thing about proleagues! so much pressure riding on one move of the mouse, it is crazy
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 21 2011 09:16 GMT
#62
I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it????
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 21 2011 09:18 GMT
#63
I don't like those changes too I loved winner's league, bo5 will be super short, no ace match is...bleh.
Seems they want to remove all the excitement TT
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 21 2011 09:22 GMT
#64
On November 21 2011 18:16 ShadeR wrote:
I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it????


I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage .

How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement .

I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better.
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sheaRZerg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 09:25:23
November 21 2011 09:22 GMT
#65
Well, I am glad the korean fans also seem unhappy about the removal of the ace match....I think that probably bodes well for it getting reinstated at some point not too far down the road. Ace match always seemed ubiquitous with proleague to me.

I have mixed feelings about winners league. It did often produce more games with crowd favorites, but in those seem cases took a little bit of the team out of a team competition. And now that I dont have OZ to root for anymore...my team wont NEED it. ^^
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 21 2011 09:23 GMT
#66
On November 21 2011 17:46 Holy Check wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 08:42 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Ace matches I'm more on the fence about. I can see why they are done away with, and it will balance the teams more and make depth more important, but at the same time that entertainment value will surely be missed.



There is more entertainment value in a balanced Proleague than there is in the few truly worthy winner's league matchups. We've got individual leagues for that. Let's just hope for the sake of Bisu-fans hat he does make it in an individual league and that they will be able to see more than him demolishing mediocre zergs in PL.
But as far as a team competition is concerned, it was really annoying to know from the get go that teams that are not SKT, KT, CJ don't stand a chance. It was annoying to know that once it got to the ace match, some of the teams insta-lost. It was annoying to be a Khan / Woongjin / Fox / STX fan (not ACE, we're all good). I bet it was annoying to be a CJ fan as well.

And finally, as far as BO5 vs BO7 with ace goes, I would much rather see 4 (or even 5) very good matches instead of the considerable number of mediocre games a BO7 provides with, except for the ace match.


Now i might be a rabid Bisu fan, but im telling you Jaedong is not a mediocre Zerg >.<
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
November 21 2011 09:29 GMT
#67
On November 20 2011 04:31 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 03:45 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-


please don't throw that hurting esports crap.

Bo5 = less games
Bo7 = more games
Winners league say what?

-less time overall


I think I made my point.

-Yours truly, cowgoesmoo


No, i too agree that "E-Sport" doesnt fit anywhere in the equation. I don't understand why that notion of e-Sport starts to get so popular to people recently.

In any case, i understand the back-switch to Bo5 due to limited broadcast time, and additional exposure for new players + heavily favoring teams w S-class Ace would be a good reason to abolish Ace match... It just doesnt feel.. right.. Ace match is something seemingly unique to SPL, and i have always enjoyed it.. The marquee match-up of the day, no more >.<


You can disagree all you want. The of the matter is the less BW the less EPIC games which is really where my statement comes from. I don't care if S-class is heavily favored in ace matches. I just want amazing games and more BW.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
November 21 2011 10:22 GMT
#68
On November 21 2011 18:29 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 04:31 ffreakk wrote:
On November 20 2011 03:45 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-


please don't throw that hurting esports crap.

Bo5 = less games
Bo7 = more games
Winners league say what?

-less time overall


I think I made my point.

-Yours truly, cowgoesmoo


No, i too agree that "E-Sport" doesnt fit anywhere in the equation. I don't understand why that notion of e-Sport starts to get so popular to people recently.

In any case, i understand the back-switch to Bo5 due to limited broadcast time, and additional exposure for new players + heavily favoring teams w S-class Ace would be a good reason to abolish Ace match... It just doesnt feel.. right.. Ace match is something seemingly unique to SPL, and i have always enjoyed it.. The marquee match-up of the day, no more >.<


You can disagree all you want. The of the matter is the less BW the less EPIC games which is really where my statement comes from. I don't care if S-class is heavily favored in ace matches. I just want amazing games and more BW.

We were just really REALLY spoiled last season.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
November 21 2011 10:23 GMT
#69
On November 21 2011 17:06 konadora wrote:
winner's league needs to be a separate post-proleague season or something... i can't live without winner's league format completely gone :<


dream league format is better again but I echo this statement. there's something about a crazy-hydra all-kill that just isn't replicated in normal games
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
November 21 2011 11:09 GMT
#70
Meh, I loved winners league more than proleague. It has to be mentioned that this was also extremely taxing on the players, and contributed to the wealth disparity in teams.
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 21 2011 14:17 GMT
#71
Wait, so ACE can win Proleague now?!
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 14:26:16
November 21 2011 14:26 GMT
#72
It's obvious they want to take influence away from the super stars like Flash or JD but aren't those the people want to see the most? It's also a great time for players to shine, like Frozean (aka CuteAngel) all killing or even Hyuk (granted that was in STX cup). Might be interesting to shake up the standings but a bad idea overall because I really don't want to see two snipers in the deciding game, I want to see Flash vs. JD, or JD vs. Bisu, or Flash vs. Best
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 21 2011 14:29 GMT
#73
On November 21 2011 23:17 amazingxkcd wrote:
Wait, so ACE can win Proleague now?!


My thoughts exactly
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
November 21 2011 14:58 GMT
#74
On November 21 2011 23:26 Count9 wrote:
It's obvious they want to take influence away from the super stars like Flash or JD but aren't those the people want to see the most? It's also a great time for players to shine, like Frozean (aka CuteAngel) all killing or even Hyuk (granted that was in STX cup). Might be interesting to shake up the standings but a bad idea overall because I really don't want to see two snipers in the deciding game, I want to see Flash vs. JD, or JD vs. Bisu, or Flash vs. Best


I think the biggest motivation behind the abolishment of the Ace match was so that more players can have screen time. Ace match means that 20% of the players won't be able to play, and lack of match experience can really hurt rookies.

Then theres the lack of broadcast time that forced the matches to be Bo5 instead of Bo7.

Nevertheless, i still hate the fact that we no longer have Ace matches.
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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
November 21 2011 18:58 GMT
#75
On November 21 2011 18:22 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 18:16 ShadeR wrote:
I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it????


I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage .

How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement .

I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better.

A bit of a stretch but seeing as you're KT fan it's completely fine. What isn't fine is calling Mind an Ace player.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
November 21 2011 19:48 GMT
#76
So, some Korean FPS (Halo/CS-like) called Special Force II gets the prime time over BW? What?.....
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Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
November 21 2011 21:58 GMT
#77
What no ace matches and no winners league??! Seems to me that KT will the team most hurt by this change and SKT to some degree too. On the other hand it should be great news for CJ and to some degree for Woongjin too.
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2593 Posts
November 21 2011 22:10 GMT
#78
On November 21 2011 18:22 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 18:16 ShadeR wrote:
I don't get it. Suddenly the finals set of a match is less exciting less intense, less pressure because someone can't be re-fielded for it????


I am looking at the bo5 positively , not being able to field in your ace player twice means that every match , you have to make it count and if you win the match on that single map , the better chances you will win the whole game , Hence it's going to be interesting and coaches have to do extra work and home work so they can possibly use these bo5 to their team advantage .

How can I see KT benefiting from the bo5 format ? Considering that Flash is still Flash and remains intact his previous form we have already a 75% chance of a single win , Mind can possibly win any players be it a Zerg,Protoss or terran , Stats is an overall match up player I believe he can pull us a win for kt too , hence we have already 3 aces to field in and that increases the chances of us surviving in the bo5 , although our zerg lines still need improvement .

I believe action, Crazyhydra and hoejja are doing well under the woongjin coaches . So it wouldn't be a problem , who needs WL for kt to win , it doesn't change the fact that our roster these year is much better.


Mind has only a 52% win rate career wise. 46% in PL09-10 and 53% last year. Mind is always more of a individual leaguer who plays well in a BoX and ruins Bisu fanboys' dreams. Makes no sense to field any player constantly (other than flash), you're really limiting yourself here. Swapping in and out players frequently (like what CJ does) based on their current performance - will be what we'll see all year imo.

But less rookies definitely.
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Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
November 21 2011 22:15 GMT
#79
No Winner's League?!!!!!!! But all kill's are the most entertaining part of proleague!!
Jaedong.
Tapppi
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland70 Posts
November 22 2011 08:01 GMT
#80
IMHO Ace match is way too important when the format goes into bo5, and gives some teams a way too big advantage. This is the best format they can do with bo5, even if it has a load of flaws.
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