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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
November 19 2011 14:17 GMT
#21
On November 19 2011 23:04 dinmsab wrote:
Ace matches are unfair to teams who don't have super players like Flash and Jeadong... I understand why they want it removed...

Sadly it's still a terrible idea.


Yeah, i mean, unless you have a players like Flash and Stats...

Or Jaedong and Sea
Or Hydra, Movie, and Effort
Or Zero, Soulkey, and Light
Or Bisu and Fantasy
Or Stork and Jangbi
Or Calm and Bogus

Then Ace Matches are totally unfair.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 19 2011 14:32 GMT
#22
On November 19 2011 23:05 Hier wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote:
Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday?

They struggle to find time to watch the games.

Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote:
Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches.

As opposed to when MBC and OGN used to stream games concurrently??

It's only a problem if they wish to watch both matches live (which is what I mentioned), you couldn't do that before when it was running concurrently. If they don't watch it live, it'll be the same as before. Go there, watch your team, go do whatever else and if you like watch the other matches online.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
November 19 2011 14:37 GMT
#23
opticalshot doing an amazing job <3

i'm not a fan of the changes but i have faith that it might be for the best, 1 week left hypeeeee
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
November 19 2011 14:37 GMT
#24
The four O'clock start time sucks. No one is gonna make it to the games. We will have absolutly empty Yongsan arena for the first set of games.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
November 19 2011 14:47 GMT
#25
On November 19 2011 23:32 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 23:05 Hier wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote:
On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote:
Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday?

They struggle to find time to watch the games.

On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote:
Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches.

As opposed to when MBC and OGN used to stream games concurrently??

It's only a problem if they wish to watch both matches live (which is what I mentioned), you couldn't do that before when it was running concurrently. If they don't watch it live, it'll be the same as before. Go there, watch your team, go do whatever else and if you like watch the other matches online.

Well I suppose the reason is that before the games were held in a comfortable time slot, during which students had enough time to watch the games. Now they have a free block of time too short to really do anything with? I guess it would be more practical to watch games live for 3 hours at a time instead of 6 hours. However, it appears as if OGN's 1pm time slot is gone; they had to compensate somewhere by cramming 4 of the 6 matches on the weekend.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
November 19 2011 14:53 GMT
#26
On November 19 2011 22:41 Hyde wrote:
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On November 19 2011 22:29 OpticalShot wrote:
What's with the camera pic?
Am I not getting a joke here...
*edit
-_-;;
oh jay you so clever
+ Show Spoiler +
optical
...
shot

That picture only clicked when I saw your email address at the end of the article.
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On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote:
Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday?

Back to back Bo5 will probably average out like 4-5 hours or something, some days it'll be longer, some days it'll be shorter. It's a big time commitment if you want to keep up with all the games played (but it's not like they can't watch vods later if they need to be somewhere else, I guess it's mostly for the people who want to watch live?). I wonder how many people will stay for both matches.

Guess we'll only see All-Kills in the STX Cup, that is if it's still running.



What's with everybody being clever in this thread. *laugh*

I choose to remain mainly annoyed with the changes.
Nice article OpticalShot.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
November 19 2011 15:00 GMT
#27
On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-


please don't throw that hurting esports crap.


Why not?

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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
November 19 2011 15:01 GMT
#28
On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote:
Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league...


Yeah, KT was terrible rounds 1 and 2, then were in first place after double winners league. But they marched through the playoffs as a team, not being carried by flash (by.flash?). Without WL last year we wouldn't have seen that playoff run happen. That has always been why I liked winners league, it gave a chance to teams that were inconsistent but with good potential. With there only being 8 teams now and a much higher skill concentration we may no longer need WL.

Note: a cursory glance at my icon should explain my love of WL.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51589 Posts
November 19 2011 15:02 GMT
#29
On November 19 2011 23:37 Greg_J wrote:
The four O'clock start time sucks. No one is gonna make it to the games. We will have absolutly empty Yongsan arena for the first set of games.


they should just swap it so that the sf2 games start at 16:00, and pl 18:00 or whatever.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6091 Posts
November 19 2011 15:06 GMT
#30
On November 19 2011 23:04 dinmsab wrote:
Ace matches are unfair to teams who don't have super players like Flash and Jeadong... I understand why they want it removed...

Sadly it's still a terrible idea.

Ace sets make matches more fair for teams that are top-heavy rather than deep. Source: nights spent weeping after entire rounds of Oz dying 1-3 every match.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Rokevo
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1033 Posts
November 19 2011 15:09 GMT
#31
No winners league & ace match make me a sad panda t.t
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
November 19 2011 15:35 GMT
#32
i was expecting pics like vancouver hockey riots

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with a keyboard instead of a stick
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 19 2011 15:46 GMT
#33
I like the no ace match idea personally. I always thought it would be good for the teams if more players can get a chance to play and it will make it even more exciting when the top aces do end up matched against each other as it will be rarer.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
November 19 2011 18:10 GMT
#34
On November 19 2011 23:01 ShadeR wrote:
Completely scrapping winners league may not have been the best idea but im positive that many many people myself included grew extremely weary of 1 trick pony teams. IIRC KT finished rounds one and two below ACE? And then with double winners league...

But it wasn't even Flash that carried KT during WL... wasn't it Stats who led in AKs?
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 18:21:01
November 19 2011 18:14 GMT
#35
On November 19 2011 22:30 Archers_bane wrote:
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On November 19 2011 22:28 Hier wrote:
Why are Koreans reacting negatively towards two sets of games on Saturday and Sunday?



They struggle to find time to watch the games.

Bo5 with ace is pretty imbalanced for certain teams, but damn no more epic games

Making individual leagues that much more epic. Bisu should have a shot at an OSL gold now

On November 19 2011 23:17 deafhobbit wrote:
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Yeah, i mean, unless you have a players like Flash and Stats...

Or Jaedong and Sea
Or Hydra, Movie, and Effort
Or Zero, Soulkey, and Light
Or Bisu and Fantasy
Or Stork and Jangbi

Or Calm and Bogus

I dare you to say that with a straight face
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
November 19 2011 18:21 GMT
#36
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-


Winners league was a cool break, but in terms of their usual format, it wasn't usually the best move for keeping things competitive. Also, probably at least slightly bad for players' health.

Also yeah, none of this "hurting esports" bullshit please.

I just think the lack of an ace match takes away something, that feel of a closer. It's also going to reward teams to have more depth, but meh. I'd prefer an ace match always.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 19 2011 18:23 GMT
#37
I can live without ace match honestly, I just want to watch the game already T_T , why must it be on the 26th.......
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 18:57:16
November 19 2011 18:45 GMT
#38
On November 19 2011 22:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2011 22:48 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
Why is there no winnners league? Do they not realize this is going to hurt e-sports even more? -_-


please don't throw that hurting esports crap.

Bo5 = less games
Bo7 = more games
Winners league say what?

-less time overall


I think I made my point.

-Yours truly, cowgoesmoo
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-19 18:57:04
November 19 2011 18:56 GMT
#39
I can see the sense behind these changes but I still would have preferred Bo7.

With a 2v2.

GAAAAAAAAAAAH I used up my 2000th post by accident.

Maybe I can get 1000 more in the 8 vs SKT live report. ><
May the BeSt man win.
supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
November 19 2011 18:58 GMT
#40
On November 20 2011 00:35 jlim wrote:
i was expecting pics like vancouver hockey riots

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

with a keyboard instead of a stick

Oh hell, if they have one of those in Korea you'll have shitload of police blocking the riot, many fans raging and charging into the police for trying to break them up, and lots of camera shots from the press, just to capture the embarrassing moments.
ppp
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