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I'm more of an SC2 guy but I will say it would be unbelievably awesome to have some BW showmatches with an english cast. Would definitely watch.
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On October 18 2011 07:53 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 07:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:
We're not in denial. There's good evidence to suspect that many BW players will never switch over. They'll go back to school. They'll do something else. Pretty sure of that too, but some could like nada did, play sc2 and go to school at the same time. I mean, look at Yellow. He had a go at SC2. Then he went on to do some commercials for Poker. Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 07:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:
But if anything, it'll just feel good for a lot of us who have been saying that when the real pros switch over (I always shake my head when people say: OMG MC so pro), then they'll just show how dominant top BW players are compared with everyone else (and show you guys that what Intrigue wrote back then was 100% true). I don't understand why people still try to compare sc2 pros with bw pros. Nestea was bad at bw and now he is one of the best players in the world, forgg was quite good at bw and played sc2 since season one but doesn't have any results (I heard his games were far from exceptional when he was playing some koth) except being high ranked on ladder, which many code b players do too. Maybe he didn't play it seriously but still. It's an evidence bw pros will be good at sc2 if they train for it,they would be good at every rts because they have amazing apm, mechanics,... but sc2 and bw are different games so it's not because you were better than someone in bw that you will be better than him in sc2.
Yellow isn't good anymore, and hasn't been decent in forever. Meanwhile, Fantasy, Bisu, Jaedong, and Jangbi are some of the tip-top Brood War players. While it is certain that they won't switch to SC2, if in the chance they were to, we'd be seeing the most one-sided matches in SC2 history within a few months of switching.
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I don't see why they would play SC2, it would be a really big surprise, maybe they are juste invited to see how global SC2 is and blizzard is hitting on them so they make the switch to SC2...i would really love to see some Broodwar commentated by Tastosis though...but i'm not sure it will happen 
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On October 18 2011 08:31 Devolved wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 08:25 Rostam wrote:On October 18 2011 08:22 dmnum wrote:On October 18 2011 08:15 Rostam wrote:On October 18 2011 07:48 dmnum wrote:On October 18 2011 07:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:On October 18 2011 06:12 Devolved wrote:On October 18 2011 05:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:On October 18 2011 05:36 L_Master wrote:Most of us will be interested to see them play the new game. Certainly. It would be interesting indeed to see what truly top notch mechanics can do with a game like SC2. Of course, if they haven't played enough SC2 to have some familiarity and skill at the game it might be uninteresting. Basically, if they have played some and have a good idea how the game is played this would be pretty awesome, if not, not so much. Its a new age and current esports needs them to transfer over. Not convinced here. SC2 doesn't really need this, and it would be a pretty brutal blow to BW if several of the absolute top switched over. Pretty disappointed in alot of you BW guys though. The amount of BW > sc2 eliteism/snobbery in this thread is depressing. Normally I think BW group does a pretty solid job of quality posting, but when it comes to the mention of sc2, that seems to fall be the wayside. I don't think there's a collective BW hive mind that tells BW elitists to go do things, but a lot of the responses were basically because people were speculating for no reason. I also don't think the elitism is overwhelming in the slightest. There's nothing wrong with people saying they don't want to see Bisu/Jaedong/etc playing SC2. In fact, there's good reason to not want to watch it. True elitism/snobbery would be if everyone in this thread said "Yeah, BW players gonna go roflstomp all of you SC2 noobies because BW is real game and you guys play fake". I don't think anyone has made that comment yet, so it's pretty good, considering that the reaction could've been much worse. On October 18 2011 05:43 Hesmyrr wrote:
Even if they do play SC2, I really do not anticipate much skill difference at all. In fact if Blizzard invite any of current good SC2 pros as opponent, I will expect an roflstomp. SC1 and SC2 are fundamentally different RTS and I never understood why people think pro's skill will have perfect conversion rate; especially when one of their greatest weapons - mechanics - have less significance. Yes, there are tactical experience (which I guess is more important because from MLG I gander single engagement can be the game-decider) but those come over time.
Also I knew BW trolls were going to flame SC2 and take away our already rather debatable "moral superiority", heh. How have people been flaming SC2? There are just people who don't want SC2 showmatches, and instead want BW. There also might not be perfect conversion, but there's a reason why the Koreans, even though they were second rate mediocre players in competitive BW, are at the top of the game. And it's not just because their practice routines are a lot better than foreign routines. Then what is the reason Koreans are better? Are you saying they have some innate ability encoded into their DNA that allows them to perform better at real-time-strategy games? Playing SC2 will lose all entertainment value outside of lolz. And that's not interesting either. Speak for yourself. A lot of ... BW top pros ... are ... evil[,] ... wasn't jangbi talking some time ago about trying to ... shove ... a ... mouse ... up they asses and ... kicking ... every a-teamer. Taking quotes out of context: what can it do for you? Seriously though, the sentence directly after what you quoted he says "At least that's what it is for me". He wasn't stating his opinion as a fact, he was just... stating his opinion. And FWIW, I would agree. I'd much rather watch top BW players play BW than SC2. Sure, it might be kind of interesting to see what Jeff Loomis could do with a banjo, but ultimately I'd rather see him play guitar. Ok, edited my post. Now, who the fuck are you to say that SC2 is a banjo and SC is guitar? Even BW has not yet reached it's skill cap, and while SC2 has a lot in common with it, they are not the same game. Or you come from the future and already know what's the skill cap for both games, and if that's case please tell me the lottery numbers. Do I believe that Starcraft 2 is really a banjo? No, it's a video game. Banjos and guitars are similar and yet different, like Starcraft and Starcraft 2. That's kind of the point of the analogy. You have slandered your last banjo good sir! I hereby challenge you to a duel!
Challenge Accepted.
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OK I'm sure i'm running the risk of getting superflamed here but I read this ENTIRE thread and now my interest in this sc2/BW debate is truly piqued. I never played BW. I played original starcraft in like 1999 when it was new a few times only b/c back then I played war2 religiously and wanted to see what it was like. My opinion was meh where the bloodlust. Then my RTS gaming then took a 10+ year break so I obv missed out on all the BW greatness, which I don't at all doubt for a second.
Now, riddle me this - why do BW aficionados LOATHE sc2 so much?? I mean it seems to me Its really an acidic, vehement hatred that seems to say sc2 has the complexity and depth of a well done iphone app RTS. Shouldn't we save our collective ridicule for people who play wow and call of duty? I just wanna know some of the fundamental reasons why the old guard so despises these so-called 'sc2 kids'. Maybe link me a thread or two, I'd really like to know more about this. I really do love sc2 and I want to know why such a large number of die-hards with intrinsically valid opinions and viewpoints do not. I mean I've heard some things. I get that there are the skill ceiling implications w/ APM, control groups are simple, no SCV autorallying to mine, 1a blob vs blob engagements etc etc. But it has to be more than that...? Right??
Anyways imo whatever you game Esports fighting ftw
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I hope they play their respective races for the probable showmatch. It will be interesting to see Fantasy kill several dozen drones/probes with hellions
It'd be like the time that  YellOw played a showmatch versus Sonke, except more entertaining.
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Nice stuff. Can't wait. Don't care much for the endless debate that's the last 20+ pages though 
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Secretively I want one of the heavenly kings to switch to SC2 for a year so he can show everyone the real deal
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Awesome news! I'm looking forward to seeing there no matter what game they will be playing.
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On October 18 2011 08:25 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 08:22 dmnum wrote:On October 18 2011 08:15 Rostam wrote:On October 18 2011 07:48 dmnum wrote:On October 18 2011 07:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:On October 18 2011 06:12 Devolved wrote:On October 18 2011 05:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:On October 18 2011 05:36 L_Master wrote:Most of us will be interested to see them play the new game. Certainly. It would be interesting indeed to see what truly top notch mechanics can do with a game like SC2. Of course, if they haven't played enough SC2 to have some familiarity and skill at the game it might be uninteresting. Basically, if they have played some and have a good idea how the game is played this would be pretty awesome, if not, not so much. Its a new age and current esports needs them to transfer over. Not convinced here. SC2 doesn't really need this, and it would be a pretty brutal blow to BW if several of the absolute top switched over. Pretty disappointed in alot of you BW guys though. The amount of BW > sc2 eliteism/snobbery in this thread is depressing. Normally I think BW group does a pretty solid job of quality posting, but when it comes to the mention of sc2, that seems to fall be the wayside. I don't think there's a collective BW hive mind that tells BW elitists to go do things, but a lot of the responses were basically because people were speculating for no reason. I also don't think the elitism is overwhelming in the slightest. There's nothing wrong with people saying they don't want to see Bisu/Jaedong/etc playing SC2. In fact, there's good reason to not want to watch it. True elitism/snobbery would be if everyone in this thread said "Yeah, BW players gonna go roflstomp all of you SC2 noobies because BW is real game and you guys play fake". I don't think anyone has made that comment yet, so it's pretty good, considering that the reaction could've been much worse. On October 18 2011 05:43 Hesmyrr wrote:
Even if they do play SC2, I really do not anticipate much skill difference at all. In fact if Blizzard invite any of current good SC2 pros as opponent, I will expect an roflstomp. SC1 and SC2 are fundamentally different RTS and I never understood why people think pro's skill will have perfect conversion rate; especially when one of their greatest weapons - mechanics - have less significance. Yes, there are tactical experience (which I guess is more important because from MLG I gander single engagement can be the game-decider) but those come over time.
Also I knew BW trolls were going to flame SC2 and take away our already rather debatable "moral superiority", heh. How have people been flaming SC2? There are just people who don't want SC2 showmatches, and instead want BW. There also might not be perfect conversion, but there's a reason why the Koreans, even though they were second rate mediocre players in competitive BW, are at the top of the game. And it's not just because their practice routines are a lot better than foreign routines. Then what is the reason Koreans are better? Are you saying they have some innate ability encoded into their DNA that allows them to perform better at real-time-strategy games? Playing SC2 will lose all entertainment value outside of lolz. And that's not interesting either. Speak for yourself. A lot of ... BW top pros ... are ... evil[,] ... wasn't jangbi talking some time ago about trying to ... shove ... a ... mouse ... up they asses and ... kicking ... every a-teamer. Taking quotes out of context: what can it do for you? Seriously though, the sentence directly after what you quoted he says "At least that's what it is for me". He wasn't stating his opinion as a fact, he was just... stating his opinion. And FWIW, I would agree. I'd much rather watch top BW players play BW than SC2. Sure, it might be kind of interesting to see what Jeff Loomis could do with a banjo, but ultimately I'd rather see him play guitar. Ok, edited my post. Now, who the fuck are you to say that SC2 is a banjo and SC is guitar? Even BW has not yet reached it's skill cap, and while SC2 has a lot in common with it, they are not the same game. Or you come from the future and already know what's the skill cap for both games, and if that's case please tell me the lottery numbers. Do I believe that Starcraft 2 is really a banjo? No, it's a video game. Banjos and guitars are similar and yet different, like Starcraft and Starcraft 2. That's kind of the point of the analogy. Still, your analogy comes off offensive to me atleast. I might have find it better if you compared the BW vs SC2 like a electric and acoustic guitar. But the original point of my first post I think is already made and this discussion is becoming pointless.
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Holy shitballs.
I want to be there.
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They will play BW Map in SC2 with all the BW settings. There... Both sides happy. 
But wait, is this really an issue? Let them play whatever they want to play.
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On October 18 2011 08:40 SecondChance wrote:
Holy shitballs.
I want to be there.
Seriously. The Blizzcon folks are in for a treat.
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On October 18 2011 08:40 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 08:25 Rostam wrote:On October 18 2011 08:22 dmnum wrote:On October 18 2011 08:15 Rostam wrote:On October 18 2011 07:48 dmnum wrote:On October 18 2011 07:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:On October 18 2011 06:12 Devolved wrote:On October 18 2011 05:44 Zergneedsfood wrote:On October 18 2011 05:36 L_Master wrote:Most of us will be interested to see them play the new game. Certainly. It would be interesting indeed to see what truly top notch mechanics can do with a game like SC2. Of course, if they haven't played enough SC2 to have some familiarity and skill at the game it might be uninteresting. Basically, if they have played some and have a good idea how the game is played this would be pretty awesome, if not, not so much. Its a new age and current esports needs them to transfer over. Not convinced here. SC2 doesn't really need this, and it would be a pretty brutal blow to BW if several of the absolute top switched over. Pretty disappointed in alot of you BW guys though. The amount of BW > sc2 eliteism/snobbery in this thread is depressing. Normally I think BW group does a pretty solid job of quality posting, but when it comes to the mention of sc2, that seems to fall be the wayside. I don't think there's a collective BW hive mind that tells BW elitists to go do things, but a lot of the responses were basically because people were speculating for no reason. I also don't think the elitism is overwhelming in the slightest. There's nothing wrong with people saying they don't want to see Bisu/Jaedong/etc playing SC2. In fact, there's good reason to not want to watch it. True elitism/snobbery would be if everyone in this thread said "Yeah, BW players gonna go roflstomp all of you SC2 noobies because BW is real game and you guys play fake". I don't think anyone has made that comment yet, so it's pretty good, considering that the reaction could've been much worse. On October 18 2011 05:43 Hesmyrr wrote:
Even if they do play SC2, I really do not anticipate much skill difference at all. In fact if Blizzard invite any of current good SC2 pros as opponent, I will expect an roflstomp. SC1 and SC2 are fundamentally different RTS and I never understood why people think pro's skill will have perfect conversion rate; especially when one of their greatest weapons - mechanics - have less significance. Yes, there are tactical experience (which I guess is more important because from MLG I gander single engagement can be the game-decider) but those come over time.
Also I knew BW trolls were going to flame SC2 and take away our already rather debatable "moral superiority", heh. How have people been flaming SC2? There are just people who don't want SC2 showmatches, and instead want BW. There also might not be perfect conversion, but there's a reason why the Koreans, even though they were second rate mediocre players in competitive BW, are at the top of the game. And it's not just because their practice routines are a lot better than foreign routines. Then what is the reason Koreans are better? Are you saying they have some innate ability encoded into their DNA that allows them to perform better at real-time-strategy games? Playing SC2 will lose all entertainment value outside of lolz. And that's not interesting either. Speak for yourself. A lot of ... BW top pros ... are ... evil[,] ... wasn't jangbi talking some time ago about trying to ... shove ... a ... mouse ... up they asses and ... kicking ... every a-teamer. Taking quotes out of context: what can it do for you? Seriously though, the sentence directly after what you quoted he says "At least that's what it is for me". He wasn't stating his opinion as a fact, he was just... stating his opinion. And FWIW, I would agree. I'd much rather watch top BW players play BW than SC2. Sure, it might be kind of interesting to see what Jeff Loomis could do with a banjo, but ultimately I'd rather see him play guitar. Ok, edited my post. Now, who the fuck are you to say that SC2 is a banjo and SC is guitar? Even BW has not yet reached it's skill cap, and while SC2 has a lot in common with it, they are not the same game. Or you come from the future and already know what's the skill cap for both games, and if that's case please tell me the lottery numbers. Do I believe that Starcraft 2 is really a banjo? No, it's a video game. Banjos and guitars are similar and yet different, like Starcraft and Starcraft 2. That's kind of the point of the analogy. Still, your analogy comes off offensive to me atleast. I might have find it better if you compared the BW vs SC2 like a electric and acoustic guitar. But the original point of my first post I think is already made and this discussion is becoming pointless.
okay he is saying that StarCraft: Brood War is equivalent to the musical instrument guitar while StarCraft 2 is like a banjo and that he would rather see a professional guitar player doing the guitar rather than the latter one because that's his profession and a much better guitar player.
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if they switch, i will kill myself.
on the bright side... maybe BW promotion??? :D
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On October 18 2011 08:37 McPricE wrote:
OK I'm sure i'm running the risk of getting superflamed here but I read this ENTIRE thread and now my interest in this sc2/BW debate is truly piqued. I never played BW. I played original starcraft in like 1999 when it was new a few times only b/c back then I played war2 religiously and wanted to see what it was like. My opinion was meh where the bloodlust. Then my RTS gaming then took a 10+ year break so I obv missed out on all the BW greatness, which I don't at all doubt for a second.
Now, riddle me this - why do BW aficionados LOATHE sc2 so much?? I mean it seems to me Its really an acidic, vehement hatred that seems to say sc2 has the complexity and depth of a well done iphone app RTS. Shouldn't we save our collective ridicule for people who play wow and call of duty? I just wanna know some of the fundamental reasons why the old guard so despises these so-called 'sc2 kids'. Maybe link me a thread or two, I'd really like to know more about this. I really do love sc2 and I want to know why such a large number of die-hards with intrinsically valid opinions and viewpoints do not. I mean I've heard some things. I get that there are the skill ceiling implications w/ APM, control groups are simple, no SCV autorallying to mine, 1a blob vs blob engagements etc etc. But it has to be more than that...? Right??
Anyways imo whatever you game Esports fighting ftw
I think BW players are probably a bit apprehensive because if these players were to switch to SC2, it would be a huge blow to the future of BW.
Still, I don't think that justifies the ganking of legitimate comments of people who want to see them switch. Also, it's just a fallacious argument to say that a BW player who was ranked above MVP in BW will be able to outcompete him in SC2. To say that is to completely ignore the level of MVP's play. Nada, Boxer and July were top BW players, but they're not really close to MVP in SC2.
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On October 18 2011 08:42 obnoxkid wrote:They will play BW Map in SC2 with all the BW settings. There... Both sides happy. But wait, is this really an issue? Let them play whatever they want to play.
Not really. I want to see JD doing a baneling bust on a greedy player, I want to see fantasy doing a hellion run-by, I want to see jangbi doing blink stalker micro, and I want to see bisu.
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On October 18 2011 01:13 Zona wrote:
Yeah...
I'm going to be pissed if they attend to play SC2 exhibition matches.
I had the exact same thoughts while reading this op...
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On October 18 2011 08:37 McPricE wrote:
Now, riddle me this - why do BW aficionados LOATHE sc2 so much??
1. The Blizzard/KeSPA battles set in place the mindset that one game could only succeed if the other failed
2. There are a lot of trolls in the BW section going how SC2 is the future(tm) and everyone should switch, engendering bad vibes.
3. Fanboyism/"Stop like what I don't like"
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Why oh why can't it be closer to the East Coast or central America! I would kill to see Bisu, Jangbi, Jaedong, and Fantasy live!! I hope we get to see some sick show matches.
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