EPTBisu, Jaedong, Jangbi, Fantasy to Blizzcon 2011 - Page 25
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red4ce
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:50 Essbee wrote: I had the exact same thoughts while reading this op... bw hipsters. cant you just be happy to see korean legends in usa, maybe see them live and get an autograph? jesus christ im even more sad im not rich enough to go to blizzcon T_T | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:37 McPricE wrote: OK I'm sure i'm running the risk of getting superflamed here but I read this ENTIRE thread and now my interest in this sc2/BW debate is truly piqued. I never played BW. I played original starcraft in like 1999 when it was new a few times only b/c back then I played war2 religiously and wanted to see what it was like. My opinion was meh where the bloodlust. Then my RTS gaming then took a 10+ year break so I obv missed out on all the BW greatness, which I don't at all doubt for a second. Now, riddle me this - why do BW aficionados LOATHE sc2 so much?? I mean it seems to me Its really an acidic, vehement hatred that seems to say sc2 has the complexity and depth of a well done iphone app RTS. Shouldn't we save our collective ridicule for people who play wow and call of duty? I just wanna know some of the fundamental reasons why the old guard so despises these so-called 'sc2 kids'. Maybe link me a thread or two, I'd really like to know more about this. I really do love sc2 and I want to know why such a large number of die-hards with intrinsically valid opinions and viewpoints do not. I mean I've heard some things. I get that there are the skill ceiling implications w/ APM, control groups are simple, no SCV autorallying to mine, 1a blob vs blob engagements etc etc. But it has to be more than that...? Right?? Anyways imo whatever you game Esports fighting ftw It's not that I loathe SC2, I just like Brood War better. But then there's literally 50000 people that think that SC2 is the hottest shit on Earth, and are very vocal about it. Given the nature of this site nowadays it kinda gets pushed into my vision field all the time, and due to the nature of some individuals it can get a bit... irksome. The worst offenders are the people that spend their time bashing LoL for requiring less skill. At least they have the remedial part of being mildly funny. That's just the way I feel tho, it varies from person to person obviously  Well, this guy is the perfect example: On October 18 2011 08:52 teddyoojo wrote: bw hipsters. cant you just be happy to see korean legends in usa, maybe see them live and get an autograph? jesus christ im even more sad im not rich enough to go to blizzcon T_T | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 18 2011 07:53 pPingu wrote: Pretty sure of that too, but some could like nada did, play sc2 and go to school at the same time. I mean, look at Yellow. He had a go at SC2. Then he went on to do some commercials for Poker. I don't understand why people still try to compare sc2 pros with bw pros. Nestea was bad at bw and now he is one of the best players in the world, forgg was quite good at bw and played sc2 since season one but doesn't have any results (I heard his games were far from exceptional when he was playing some koth) except being high ranked on ladder, which many code b players do too. Maybe he didn't play it seriously but still. It's an evidence bw pros will be good at sc2 if they train for it,they would be good at every rts because they have amazing apm, mechanics,... but sc2 and bw are different games so it's not because you were better than someone in bw that you will be better than him in sc2. The reason why they're good is because there's no other competition. Forgg just started, though he wasn't the greatest at BW either. The guy just 2faced in every TvP (even though he was damn good at it). On October 18 2011 08:53 Nikon wrote: It's not that I loathe SC2, I just like Brood War better. But then there's literally 50000 people that think that SC2 is the hottest shit on Earth, and are very vocal about it. Given the nature of this site nowadays it kinda gets pushed into my vision field all the time, and due to the nature of some individuals it can get a bit... irksome. The worst offenders are the people that spend their time bashing LoL for requiring less skill. At least they have the remedial part of being mildly funny. That's just the way I feel tho, it varies from person to person obviously Dude. LoL takes so much skill man. :[ I suck so much. | ||
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quantumslip
United States188 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:53 Nikon wrote: It's not that I loathe SC2, I just like Brood War better. But then there's literally 50000 people that think that SC2 is the hottest shit on Earth, and are very vocal about it. Given the nature of this site nowadays it kinda gets pushed into my vision field all the time, and due to the nature of some individuals it can get a bit... irksome. The worst offenders are the people that spend their time bashing LoL for requiring less skill. At least they have the remedial part of being mildly funny. That's just the way I feel tho, it varies from person to person obviously Well, this guy is the perfect example: yeah, my post just cried out loud how sc2 is the hottest shit on earth. i get your point. no i dont. u ppl seem all so butthurt, i just dont get it. wont respond any further bcuz i just dont care. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:54 Zergneedsfood wrote: Dude. LoL takes so much skill man. :[ I suck so much. My point. Your head. Whoosh. On October 18 2011 08:56 teddyoojo wrote: yeah, my post just cried out loud how sc2 is the hottest shit on earth. i get your point. no i dont. u ppl seem all so butthurt, i just dont get it. wont respond any further bcuz i just dont care. You came to the Brood War section of the forum to call fans "BW hipsters". It's not even the correct usage of the term hipster. Maybe I AM butthurt, yes. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:37 McPricE wrote: OK I'm sure i'm running the risk of getting superflamed here but I read this ENTIRE thread and now my interest in this sc2/BW debate is truly piqued. I never played BW. I played original starcraft in like 1999 when it was new a few times only b/c back then I played war2 religiously and wanted to see what it was like. My opinion was meh where the bloodlust. Then my RTS gaming then took a 10+ year break so I obv missed out on all the BW greatness, which I don't at all doubt for a second. Now, riddle me this - why do BW aficionados LOATHE sc2 so much?? I mean it seems to me Its really an acidic, vehement hatred that seems to say sc2 has the complexity and depth of a well done iphone app RTS. Shouldn't we save our collective ridicule for people who play wow and call of duty? I just wanna know some of the fundamental reasons why the old guard so despises these so-called 'sc2 kids'. Maybe link me a thread or two, I'd really like to know more about this. I really do love sc2 and I want to know why such a large number of die-hards with intrinsically valid opinions and viewpoints do not. I mean I've heard some things. I get that there are the skill ceiling implications w/ APM, control groups are simple, no SCV autorallying to mine, 1a blob vs blob engagements etc etc. But it has to be more than that...? Right?? Anyways imo whatever you game Esports fighting ftw Watch the recent OSL finals, Fantasy vs Jangbi. There's just so many things to it which make me prefer it. The skill ceiling implications mean good macro is actually an impressive thing, good spellcasting is impressive and not the same every game, the strategies possible are very diverse due to many factors. Players can have unique styles of play is one thing i like particularly, and i don't mean just in the sense that IdrA is a macro player. Until you watched and played BW for a while it's probably not clear, but personally i don't ever see a reason to stop spectating and playing. I don't want to go into a detailed explanation of all the differences and problems i see in SC2 but one main thought that came to mind while watching some of the MLG games; combat is a main part of the game, yet battles between large armies can be over in seconds? Even banelings which are sort of an interesting idea are a big part of the problem simply by making tons of supply disappear at once. Even a one time large army vs large army situation in BW felt more spaced out and longer, here's a really nice engagement example: It's hard to see why it's impressive until you played the game too but the Zerg's ability to pull off that was incredible and yet it still didn't break the defence. | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
The reason why they're good is because there's no other competition. Just nonsense. You've been the most ignorant poster throughout this entire thread. Isn't nada the most qualified BW player ever? | ||
disciple
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
 Flash? ): | ||
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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aycheff
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
On October 18 2011 09:00 bardtown wrote: Just nonsense. You've been the most ignorant poster throughout this entire thread. Isn't nada the most qualified BW player ever? He's the most winningest. However, his prime was back in the day. Recently, he's been on the back foot in BW, and who can blame him? Look at the competition - Flash, Jaedong, etc. Take Boxer for example - he has the legendary status, but no one is going to say that he'd have an easy time winning a starleague. From what I remember, he still had pretty solid mechanics, but not quite on the current top dog level. On October 18 2011 09:02 disciple wrote: if they are going to play smth at all, no chance for it to be BW imo. Perhaps blizzard will make HoTS showmatches of Bisu vs JD and fanta vs JangBi. I dont think they will let them play vs any of the sc2 pros to avoid making them look bad... really excited about it in any case, I dont mind Bisu switching to sc2 if he is going to change smth about dat PvZ again HotS showmatches with those four would be quite sick, I imagine, and a good way to garner publicity for it. Fantasy vs Jangbi match so soon after the OSL has the potential to be hilarious by itself. | ||
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zanga
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If you are their real fans you support them no matter what! | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On October 18 2011 08:44 bardtown wrote: I think BW players are probably a bit apprehensive because if these players were to switch to SC2, it would be a huge blow to the future of BW. Still, I don't think that justifies the ganking of legitimate comments of people who want to see them switch. Also, it's just a fallacious argument to say that a BW player who was ranked above MVP in BW will be able to outcompete him in SC2. To say that is to completely ignore the level of MVP's play. Nada, Boxer and July were top BW players, but they're not really close to MVP in SC2. Throughout SC:BW's history, the level of play continually increased. Boxer used to be the best, but even at his best he couldn't compete with the top pros nowadays. Nada took over the reigns after Boxer and he was the best for a while, but the level of play continued to increase. These guys didn't drop off the BW map because they got worse, rather because everyone around them got better. I know it may be blasphemous to say, but even though MVP never had any great accomplishments in BW like July or Boxer or Nada, his level of play at the time he switched was higher than aforementioned players' levels at their peaks. MVP was better at BW than July or Boxer or Nada, but so was everyone else he was playing against so he never had the results of those players. It's similar to how Fruitdealer was champion of SC2 until others were able to surpass him. In FD's case, you're talking only a year so the gap is still not that great, but in the case of someone like Boxer, it's been 10 years since he was king and there is just absolutely no way he could compete against the likes of MVP in BW. | ||
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DonaldLee
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infinity2k9
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