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On September 30 2011 07:25 Docmedical wrote:
I think we need to address the issue of streamers. We need people who appeals to the newbies of BW. BW streamers in general need to talk more and explain to their viewers what they are doing.
Then we need a very step by step guide.
I can't tell you how many times I've tried to stream now.
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On September 30 2011 10:21 TheGlassface wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 07:25 Docmedical wrote:
I think we need to address the issue of streamers. We need people who appeals to the newbies of BW. BW streamers in general need to talk more and explain to their viewers what they are doing.
Then we need a very step by step guide. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to stream now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265945
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Ive wanted to stream/cast for a long time but my video card is a piece of shit and i dont have money for a new card or computer (computer is what i really need). Is there any way I can stream or cast or anything that doesnt require good specs?
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions?
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So, as part of updating Liquipedia I was going to watch all the 2006 GomTV S1 MSL games, and then I had an idea. Wouldn't it be awesome if we got a bunch of people together and started watching all the VODs from old MLS, Proleagues and such and picked out the very best, and then found someone to cast them in English and explain why the games are important in the history of bw? It would also lead to us having a modernized list of recommended games, and it could be a lot of fun if we got a bunch of people watching and discussing the games at the same time, we could set up a skype call or something ^_^
Just a though.
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So some of the ideas I'm seeing pop up alot are:
1) Getting Well-Known TL personalities/former BW players to get involved at some point in one way or another.
2) Regular Tournaments for Low Level Players
3) TL/BNET Attack style show with top foreigners and possibly a legend of old
4) English Commentary/Historical Significance of Legendary BW Games
I think they are all good ideas and all talk about each one briefly:
1)Certainly would be awesome if we could get them to do this, especially if they promoted/mentioned it ahead of time. That said, I think we should get everything rolling and progress being made before we even reach out to these guys. That way, when the interest is peaked, there is already an awesome community/infrastructure in place.
2)Great Idea, don't see any reason not to. Only worry is smurfs but if we just make it an on TL sign up sort of thing we shouldn't have too much of an issue with rampant smurfing.
3)This is definitely on the radar as well, and is always an entertaining way to get new viewers, expose the awesomeness of BW, and give people the chance to learn a little about the game.
4)Don't see any problems with it, though that may well be covered by what the newly minted "BW Historian" position on TL staff will be doing.
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions?
Awesome!
Any coaching your willing to do is fantastic, as well as doing a "workshop" for a group of players explaining various things about the game, about a specific MU, etc.
As far as streaming specs go I was able to stream okay on my previous comp with like 2 GHz processor and something like 2 GB RAM (been awhile, can't remember exactly). I could never use super good looking settings, and definitely had to be concerned about FMLE eating too much processing power.
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On September 30 2011 11:05 L_Master wrote:
So some of the ideas I'm seeing pop up alot are:
1) Getting Well-Known TL personalities/former BW players to get involved at some point in one way or another.
2) Regular Tournaments for Low Level Players
3) TL/BNET Attack style show with top foreigners and possibly a legend of old
I think they are all good ideas and all talk about each one briefly:
1)Certainly would be awesome if we could get them to do this, especially if they promoted/mentioned it ahead of time. That said, I think we should get everything rolling and progress being made before we even reach out to these guys. That way, when the interest is peaked, there is already an awesome community/infrastructure in place.
2)Great Idea, don't see any reason not to. Only worry is smurfs but if we just make it an on TL sign up sort of thing we shouldn't have too much of an issue with rampant smurfing.
3)This is definitely on the radar as well, and is always an entertaining way to get new viewers, expose the awesomeness of BW, and give people the chance to learn a little about the game.
Back when iCCup was functional I was the super admin of events and nOoNe/me/Sayle (where he actually started casting at) did iCCup Attacks with top players and players of notoriety including TL's own Shauni. They were a HUGE success. I don't think there is a base for such an event with such a community divide unless it was well advertised to the players and possibly consisted of a monetary prize. Anyone worth watching only plays when there is $ involved these days. Despite that, if someone could pull off a _insert name here_ Attack! it'd be amazing and highly successful. Not to mention I personally think Sayle would enjoy casting it, and he's always a good guy to have around 
P.S. Despite retiring in 9 days.. organizing an event such as an attack doesn't take a lot of work, and I'd be willing to help anyone through the entire process + player relations that is willing to step up and is capable.
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On another note, I've only browsed through much of this thread and read the posts of people that I respect as valuable and knowledgeable members of the community. Being honest.
Given that, I think there are a lot of valid points in this thread, and a surprisingly low amount of BW vs SC2 trolling (very commendable), and I'm offering up my services as another knowledgeable character for any questions people might have. I know this thread actually has turned itself into a mini-project with not too much contributions (but infinite potential). But, if anyone has any curiosities that they think I could help them clarify, just contact me, because after all, I love the foreign BW community passionately.
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On September 30 2011 06:02 ArvickHero wrote:
ahhhh hmmmm I guess I should start getting to work on some of those Protoss guides/builds I've been planning to write ..
Great! I like the ones you've put out on TL so far (the Neo-Bisu-Build one and the "How to react to scouting info in PvZ" one; been awhile though T.T)
On September 30 2011 10:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions?
Apart from coaching/workshops if you like to spend time with no people around you could do a strategic cast of interesting games. You know, like the ones Day[9] used to do. Explaining the different approaches to the MU and/or possible thought processes behind that. Possibly combined with some general advice of sorts
And get well soon ofc ~.~
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i'm going to say it here first because i'm a little scared but i seriously want to cast bw in english with the start of the next pl ><
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On September 30 2011 14:55 TheNessman wrote:
i'm going to say it here first because i'm a little scared but i seriously want to cast bw in english with the start of the next pl ><
+1, I was thinking of doing the exact same thing. Been putting it off for too long and who knows how long the opportunity will be around, though I know were all hoping the answer is forever.
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On September 30 2011 14:44 Voidsoul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 06:02 ArvickHero wrote:
ahhhh hmmmm I guess I should start getting to work on some of those Protoss guides/builds I've been planning to write .. Great! I like the ones you've put out on TL so far (the Neo-Bisu-Build one and the "How to react to scouting info in PvZ" one; been awhile though T.T) Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 10:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions? Apart from coaching/workshops if you like to spend time with no people around you could do a strategic cast of interesting games. You know, like the ones Day[9] used to do. Explaining the different approaches to the MU and/or possible thought processes behind that. Possibly combined with some general advice of sorts And get well soon ofc ~.~
that would be great but requires a decent computer afaik..?
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On September 29 2011 19:41 Djagulingu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Even with all new guys going along with little brother, BW still has tournaments with nice prize pool and ~700 live viewers. What I mean is, $1500 prize pool, sayle being the only guy streaming and we still have ~700 live viewers. There would be a lot more if more initiative was taken by more people and not just Game/Sayle/a small bunch of other people.
Except for the streams, ISL has Starleague level organizational structure. Sayle is great, awesome, all that good jazz, but a single guy streaming and casting all of these with some broadcasts taking 13ish hours with no break means streaming needs help. I also feel that I need to congratulate Sayle here because of the 13 hour solo broadcast. I wish someone else also stepped up for that. Elegant did this for quite a while but I don't see him under ISL any more.
So, you guys must be wondering why I took a paragraph to talk about ISL, let me connect it to the topic and continue with my seemingly tryhard motivational great wall of text. With TL as a brand pulling out of BW completely, we still have an exceptionally good tourney which is organized by literally some guys.
Speaking of "some guys", that is officially what we are (no offense to any of us, but TL BW community, which is some forum goers that play and watch BW together in a forum despite that forum being TL makes us some guys in the eyes of someone who is looking from outside).
Also, "some guys" is the form of anything, any organizational structure, any company when it's just founded. What I mean is, BW may be dying in the eyes of some, but it is reincarnating in my eyes. So, what I mean is that this is not a "last hurrah". This is an opportunity. To start a tradition. Just like TSL. We may expand this and eventually turn this into something big. But that is in our hands.
Enough with the motivational part, I think there can be another low level clan that can be founded initially. One means monopoly, 2 means competition, right? Other than that, well... Nothing that is not written by L_Master comes in my mind.
I spoilered your wall of text so people can see my post. 
Thanks for the credit there to me and Sayle, but more importantly are things that follow. The people who have worked on the ISL's are extremely dedicated, and you seem to think there are fewer staff than actually exist. To be honest, ISL1 and ISL2 both independently had 10+ as staff, with 5-6 of them being entirely dedicated. Me and Sayle are just the people that are visible publicly. Granted I put in a lot of effort in retrospect, and Sayle puts in a lot of time, just saying don't sell the other guys short please 
Honestly though, there are plenty of BW lovers out there willing to sponsor tournaments. I in fact haven't been able to personally keep up with them all, which might come as a surprise. Unfortunately, most want to be an independent sponsor and name tournaments after themselves, which is not a great thing for a communal starleague or large tournament. To be fair though, Eywa ran Gambit Cup season 1 nearly without flaw, and is investing a lot of time into future projects. More people like Eywa would be great.
Also, as far as the lack of casters is concerned... I've basically researched every BW caster and came to a very simple conclusion: "They all suck." I'm not talking about NukeTheStars and people like that, who respectfully declined to cast the first ISL, but the people who will work for free. I'd love to help build names, but Sayle and EleGant were really the only capable at the time. EleGant lost his internet connection, and well, the rest is history. As of right now, the only person I can personally enjoy as a caster is hacklebeast. He's very entertaining, and his lisp of the letter "s" literally makes me laugh out loud because it reminds me of Jeff Gallagher (radio personality). I wish he had more BW knowledge, then he'd be perfect. Not trying to rip anyone, but needed to bring some clarity to your post of that issue.
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Brood war's free-ness should also be promoted!
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On September 30 2011 15:17 FyRe_DragOn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 14:44 Voidsoul wrote:On September 30 2011 06:02 ArvickHero wrote:
ahhhh hmmmm I guess I should start getting to work on some of those Protoss guides/builds I've been planning to write .. Great! I like the ones you've put out on TL so far (the Neo-Bisu-Build one and the "How to react to scouting info in PvZ" one; been awhile though T.T) On September 30 2011 10:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions? Apart from coaching/workshops if you like to spend time with no people around you could do a strategic cast of interesting games. You know, like the ones Day[9] used to do. Explaining the different approaches to the MU and/or possible thought processes behind that. Possibly combined with some general advice of sorts And get well soon ofc ~.~ that would be great but requires a decent computer afaik..?
Hmmm... kinda depends on how shitty your gear really is. I managed just fine to do repcast VoDs off of a 1.6 Ghz processor, a laptop shared graphics chip and 2 GB RAM
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If there was a low level clan where I could practice against players like me I would enjoy that a lot! I'm pretty nooby at BW but really enjoy it a lot more than SC2 (I played SC2 before BW). It's hard to find people as bad as me on ICCup, as I say D-/E and then I face off against some terran who had an average of 200 APM >_<
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On September 30 2011 15:24 Voidsoul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 15:17 FyRe_DragOn wrote:On September 30 2011 14:44 Voidsoul wrote:On September 30 2011 06:02 ArvickHero wrote:
ahhhh hmmmm I guess I should start getting to work on some of those Protoss guides/builds I've been planning to write .. Great! I like the ones you've put out on TL so far (the Neo-Bisu-Build one and the "How to react to scouting info in PvZ" one; been awhile though T.T) On September 30 2011 10:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions? Apart from coaching/workshops if you like to spend time with no people around you could do a strategic cast of interesting games. You know, like the ones Day[9] used to do. Explaining the different approaches to the MU and/or possible thought processes behind that. Possibly combined with some general advice of sorts And get well soon ofc ~.~ that would be great but requires a decent computer afaik..? Hmmm... kinda depends on how shitty your gear really is. I managed just fine to do repcast VoDs off of a 1.6 Ghz processor, a laptop shared graphics chip and 2 GB RAM
i dont know how bad those specs are but ive been told my video card is the weak link in my system. you think it would b taxed less if i wasnt doing bw at the same time? This would mean I cant do any replays, which would blow, but its better than nothing
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On September 30 2011 15:18 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 19:41 Djagulingu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Even with all new guys going along with little brother, BW still has tournaments with nice prize pool and ~700 live viewers. What I mean is, $1500 prize pool, sayle being the only guy streaming and we still have ~700 live viewers. There would be a lot more if more initiative was taken by more people and not just Game/Sayle/a small bunch of other people.
Except for the streams, ISL has Starleague level organizational structure. Sayle is great, awesome, all that good jazz, but a single guy streaming and casting all of these with some broadcasts taking 13ish hours with no break means streaming needs help. I also feel that I need to congratulate Sayle here because of the 13 hour solo broadcast. I wish someone else also stepped up for that. Elegant did this for quite a while but I don't see him under ISL any more.
So, you guys must be wondering why I took a paragraph to talk about ISL, let me connect it to the topic and continue with my seemingly tryhard motivational great wall of text. With TL as a brand pulling out of BW completely, we still have an exceptionally good tourney which is organized by literally some guys.
Speaking of "some guys", that is officially what we are (no offense to any of us, but TL BW community, which is some forum goers that play and watch BW together in a forum despite that forum being TL makes us some guys in the eyes of someone who is looking from outside).
Also, "some guys" is the form of anything, any organizational structure, any company when it's just founded. What I mean is, BW may be dying in the eyes of some, but it is reincarnating in my eyes. So, what I mean is that this is not a "last hurrah". This is an opportunity. To start a tradition. Just like TSL. We may expand this and eventually turn this into something big. But that is in our hands.
Enough with the motivational part, I think there can be another low level clan that can be founded initially. One means monopoly, 2 means competition, right? Other than that, well... Nothing that is not written by L_Master comes in my mind. I spoilered your wall of text so people can see my post. Thanks for the credit there to me and Sayle, but more importantly are things that follow. The people who have worked on the ISL's are extremely dedicated, and you seem to think there are fewer staff than actually exist. To be honest, ISL1 and ISL2 both independently had 10+ as staff, with 5-6 of them being entirely dedicated. Me and Sayle are just the people that are visible publicly. Granted I put in a lot of effort in retrospect, and Sayle puts in a lot of time, just saying don't sell the other guys short please Honestly though, there are plenty of BW lovers out there willing to sponsor tournaments. I in fact haven't been able to personally keep up with them all, which might come as a surprise. Unfortunately, most want to be an independent sponsor and name tournaments after themselves, which is not a great thing for a communal starleague or large tournament. To be fair though, Eywa ran Gambit Cup season 1 nearly without flaw, and is investing a lot of time into future projects. More people like Eywa would be great. Also, as far as the lack of casters is concerned... I've basically researched every BW caster and came to a very simple conclusion: "They all suck." I'm not talking about NukeTheStars and people like that, who respectfully declined to cast the first ISL, but the people who will work for free. I'd love to help build names, but Sayle and EleGant were really the only capable at the time. EleGant lost his internet connection, and well, the rest is history. As of right now, the only person I can personally enjoy as a caster is hacklebeast. He's very entertaining, and his lisp of the letter "s" literally makes me laugh out loud because it reminds me of Jeff Gallagher (radio personality). I wish he had more BW knowledge, then he'd be perfect. Not trying to rip anyone, but needed to bring some clarity to your post of that issue.
Can't really say I disagree, but it doesn't hurt to have the option available AND if people are dedicated and work on it they can probably improve a significant. Having english casts of proleague/OSL/MSL available if someone wants them can't be a bad thing.
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On September 30 2011 15:37 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 15:18 Game wrote:On September 29 2011 19:41 Djagulingu wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Even with all new guys going along with little brother, BW still has tournaments with nice prize pool and ~700 live viewers. What I mean is, $1500 prize pool, sayle being the only guy streaming and we still have ~700 live viewers. There would be a lot more if more initiative was taken by more people and not just Game/Sayle/a small bunch of other people.
Except for the streams, ISL has Starleague level organizational structure. Sayle is great, awesome, all that good jazz, but a single guy streaming and casting all of these with some broadcasts taking 13ish hours with no break means streaming needs help. I also feel that I need to congratulate Sayle here because of the 13 hour solo broadcast. I wish someone else also stepped up for that. Elegant did this for quite a while but I don't see him under ISL any more.
So, you guys must be wondering why I took a paragraph to talk about ISL, let me connect it to the topic and continue with my seemingly tryhard motivational great wall of text. With TL as a brand pulling out of BW completely, we still have an exceptionally good tourney which is organized by literally some guys.
Speaking of "some guys", that is officially what we are (no offense to any of us, but TL BW community, which is some forum goers that play and watch BW together in a forum despite that forum being TL makes us some guys in the eyes of someone who is looking from outside).
Also, "some guys" is the form of anything, any organizational structure, any company when it's just founded. What I mean is, BW may be dying in the eyes of some, but it is reincarnating in my eyes. So, what I mean is that this is not a "last hurrah". This is an opportunity. To start a tradition. Just like TSL. We may expand this and eventually turn this into something big. But that is in our hands.
Enough with the motivational part, I think there can be another low level clan that can be founded initially. One means monopoly, 2 means competition, right? Other than that, well... Nothing that is not written by L_Master comes in my mind. I spoilered your wall of text so people can see my post. Thanks for the credit there to me and Sayle, but more importantly are things that follow. The people who have worked on the ISL's are extremely dedicated, and you seem to think there are fewer staff than actually exist. To be honest, ISL1 and ISL2 both independently had 10+ as staff, with 5-6 of them being entirely dedicated. Me and Sayle are just the people that are visible publicly. Granted I put in a lot of effort in retrospect, and Sayle puts in a lot of time, just saying don't sell the other guys short please Honestly though, there are plenty of BW lovers out there willing to sponsor tournaments. I in fact haven't been able to personally keep up with them all, which might come as a surprise. Unfortunately, most want to be an independent sponsor and name tournaments after themselves, which is not a great thing for a communal starleague or large tournament. To be fair though, Eywa ran Gambit Cup season 1 nearly without flaw, and is investing a lot of time into future projects. More people like Eywa would be great. Also, as far as the lack of casters is concerned... I've basically researched every BW caster and came to a very simple conclusion: "They all suck." I'm not talking about NukeTheStars and people like that, who respectfully declined to cast the first ISL, but the people who will work for free. I'd love to help build names, but Sayle and EleGant were really the only capable at the time. EleGant lost his internet connection, and well, the rest is history. As of right now, the only person I can personally enjoy as a caster is hacklebeast. He's very entertaining, and his lisp of the letter "s" literally makes me laugh out loud because it reminds me of Jeff Gallagher (radio personality). I wish he had more BW knowledge, then he'd be perfect. Not trying to rip anyone, but needed to bring some clarity to your post of that issue. Can't really say I disagree, but it doesn't hurt to have the option available AND if people are dedicated and work on it they can probably improve a significant. Having english casts of proleague/OSL/MSL available if someone wants them can't be a bad thing.
I'm under the impression in life that it's best to have things done right. The last thing I would, and I'm sure most can agree, ever watch is someone with no knowledge or source of entertainment casting the most highly skilled games of BW in existence. That's my feelings on it anyhow.
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On September 30 2011 15:36 FyRe_DragOn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 15:24 Voidsoul wrote:On September 30 2011 15:17 FyRe_DragOn wrote:On September 30 2011 14:44 Voidsoul wrote:On September 30 2011 06:02 ArvickHero wrote:
ahhhh hmmmm I guess I should start getting to work on some of those Protoss guides/builds I've been planning to write .. Great! I like the ones you've put out on TL so far (the Neo-Bisu-Build one and the "How to react to scouting info in PvZ" one; been awhile though T.T) On September 30 2011 10:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
I cant really play bw atm either because of a shoulder injury but Id like to share my strategical knowledge in some way. In particular I should have plenty of free time coming up this weekend so id be up for spending some time doing whatever is needed/possible to help out. any suggestions? Apart from coaching/workshops if you like to spend time with no people around you could do a strategic cast of interesting games. You know, like the ones Day[9] used to do. Explaining the different approaches to the MU and/or possible thought processes behind that. Possibly combined with some general advice of sorts And get well soon ofc ~.~ that would be great but requires a decent computer afaik..? Hmmm... kinda depends on how shitty your gear really is. I managed just fine to do repcast VoDs off of a 1.6 Ghz processor, a laptop shared graphics chip and 2 GB RAM i dont know how bad those specs are but ive been told my video card is the weak link in my system. you think it would b taxed less if i wasnt doing bw at the same time? This would mean I cant do any replays, which would blow, but its better than nothing
Yea I don't know exactly how bad your situation is but if you were able to make some good protoss VOD's for that sub-project that would be unbelievably fantastic.
Have you tried using something like Fraps to record VOD's/FPVODs?
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