EPTOn June 12 2011 03:58 Catalan wrote:
Yea 201/200 and all the minerals that the probe ever mined.
right?
Yea 201/200 and all the minerals that the probe ever mined.
right?
wrong... why would you get that?
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Pads
England3228 Posts
wrong... why would you get that? | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Such as the disruptor web, mind control and the Scout. | ||
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oBlade
United States6213 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:40 dukethegold wrote: But if the Valkyrie and Queen can fulfill their theorycraft roles as BW metagame becomes more sophisticated and the players becomes more skilled This is true in part, but they're not totally comparable. Both units have been used since many years ago. The scout too, as you note. Sometimes you could open scout instead of corsair if you were doing 1 base stargate vs Z. Also, opening 1 scout or sair was possible vT on island maps (actually, vs any race). But like others have said, basically anything the scout does, the sair does better. Even if we saw another mass air PvZ, it would basically have to be sair/carrier again. Dropships can just be stopped with goons, same as shuttles. If you could extract something from the fact that the scout can hit ground (drones), like making one instead of a sair vs Z, but if you FFEd it'll just get scourged, and the same thing is accomplished by reaver/sair which kills drones much better. It'd probably best be used in a protracted, caster based PvP, but even then, probably thrown out quite quickly. Maybe lategame PvT to snipe tanks and partly function as recalls, but you'll have no upgrades for it. In this case I think I'd prefer them to mass sairs (who would only be able to use dweb, and the argument usually is just to pump out high templar instead). But you have to upgrade carriers to really be on even ground anyway. | ||
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Catalan
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hitthat
Poland2343 Posts
Yet, it has pathetic ground attack. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
Scouts do so little damage air to ground, that they can't even harrass. (it cannot outdps 1 scv's repair) But even beyond pointing out that it sucks absolutely, anything that the protoss might want to achieve could be done more effectively by another unit. Except defending no-goliath mech timing attacks from ForGG, I guess. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On June 12 2011 04:09 dukethegold wrote: Perhaps I was using the wrong approach. I should have remade the OP to ask for any hidden potential in the entire Protoss arsenal that can be exploited to change the metagame Speaking about PvZ in particular, the hidden potential in any protoss army is that it becomes very powerful if you let it accumulate instead of throwing away units randomly. Bisu figured it out this season. I think the other protoss players will get the drift in a year or so. | ||
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aokces
United States309 Posts
Scouts will only be useful if: 1. They get patched (haha... patch 1.17 just for scouts) 2. Island maps become popular | ||
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
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lungo
Denmark276 Posts
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Masheyoon
United States781 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:48 One Page Memory wrote: Could someone who understands Korean please translate what they're saying? I can't help but imagine it being something like this: Commentator #1: "AHHH! Scouto! They make this sound when they fire, 'DADADADADA'! And again, look, 'DADADADADADADA'!" Commentator #2: "THAT'S RIGHT! 'DADADADADADADA'! And again, 'DADADADADADADA'!" | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:47 Xiphos wrote: I think that Protoss should utilize Dark Archons more in their games. In PvZ, kills defilers, stop Mutas and freeze mass lings. In PvT, mind control tanks to hit themselves. PvP, get a bigger army to increase the pop from 200 to 400. Another thing that Protoss needs to abuse is Hallucinations. Fake all in with units to force the enemy to go out of position but then flank their army or something. Scouts could used if you try to mass them like Carriers because they are made faster and don't require the minerals to produce interceptors. Actually I am surprised Protoss haven't been using DA for feedback in PvT at all, sure you might say it's a waste of 2psi but the range and accuracy CANCELS out any potential EMPs which is probably more than worth it. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On June 12 2011 03:50 Tadah wrote: If Mind Controlled units could be added to your army even if its maxed-out then you could, provided you have a lot of DA's and/or patience keep mind controlling ad infinitum. Edit: Seems you were replying to someone else so nevermind. That would make it 200+X/200. The supply limit will never change. Even besides all this, practically a game will never go like that. | ||
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littlefighter
43 Posts
Wasn't sure where to ask this question but this thread was about new protoss ideas. | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
I hope it is trolling. The fact that scouts are not used makes it so epic when they are used to bm the opponent :-) | ||
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ctl4
Canada11 Posts
I think that if there ever was some change in protoss that could make a better game for brood war it would be a speed increase on the high templar, i am not talking about making it into a zergling or a vulture, but at the speed it goes now protoss users lose many games just by having high templars, which trail the rest of the protoss army, and subsequently get picked off. having a high templar, which is faster would I think make protoss a race that could compete at the pro level, and I think through this we would again see protoss finalists, and gold medal winners. Spread the word, it is a good idea. | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
On June 12 2011 06:41 littlefighter wrote: Can someone explain why forge fe isn't used more frequently in pvp and pvt? Wasn't sure where to ask this question but this thread was about new protoss ideas. There is a pretty cool build in pvp where you go for a dt rush into forge expansion and also fast nex>>>>>forge fe. | ||
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On June 12 2011 07:10 DMXD wrote: There is a pretty cool build in pvp where you go for a dt rush into forge expansion and also fast nex>>>>>forge fe. It's pretty viable in PvP but against T, it's pointless since you can just put the nexus down and there isn't much T can do to stop you. | ||
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littlefighter
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On June 12 2011 07:30 littlefighter wrote: The cannon helps to snipe scvs when you're being bunker rushed though. It's safer than 12 nex and faster/safer than 1 gate expand -> 4 dragoons -> expand?_? maybe It's not safer than 12nex at all. The delayed economy and gateway makes you vulnerable to a fast vulture runby. And just runby's of all sorts. | ||
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