• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:54
CET 08:54
KST 16:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2135 users

[MSL] Introducing...Monte Cristo - Page 4

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 08 2011 12:33 GMT
#61
meh, looks mediocre at best.

MSL's map pool should have triathlon permanently in place.
POGGERS
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
April 08 2011 12:34 GMT
#62
this map is looking terrible for zerg.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
b0lt
Profile Joined March 2009
United States790 Posts
April 08 2011 12:36 GMT
#63
Every single map looks terran favored at first glance. I remember IdrA saying that battle royale (a map where flash couldn't beat oversky) was a "zerg graveyard"
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
April 08 2011 12:40 GMT
#64
and OF COURSE Bisu v Flash is on that map.. let's hope it's not T Favored..

poor bisu, always getting screwed..

Until Group D is finished i will change my sig to f... you hydra! i hope thats allowed. it's my opinion that this was one of the most despiseable moves ever in the history of the MSL Ceremony.
Bisu... ;-(
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 13:01:00
April 08 2011 12:48 GMT
#65
Dear god... long air distance(mutas inefficient), easily tankable+minable tight chokes halving the map, island expansions(difficult for zerg to protect against drops), highground nat(making midgame hydra/lurker aggression impossible)... zerg is going to be absolutely massacred here. The positioning of the island might make it work as a "haven" for pvt carrier builds though, with protoss being able to stay there for safety and strike any terran expansion with terran having trouble reacting.
On April 08 2011 14:15 ZeroChrome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 13:48 Rhaegar99 wrote:
main and nat are both on high ground. this has been the first time in a while am i right?


Empire of the Sun has both on high ground.

On April 08 2011 14:16 mnesthes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 13:48 Rhaegar99 wrote:
main and nat are both on high ground. this has been the first time in a while am i right?
There's Empire of the Sun, and Eye of the Storm, and before that there was Troy.
Except those maps have some spare highground space outside nat, this map only has room for a bit of static defense/mines making midgame aggression inefficient
On April 08 2011 12:09 jalstar wrote:
Actually reminds me of Destination in that it appears Terran-favored until you realize that Terrans would have to spread their army out over the entire map.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 12:09 hasuprotoss wrote:
I feel bad for Zerg already... Like where's the third going to be? Corner expo looks really far away and the other one right above/below your nat looks really vulnerable.


Pro Zergs already take a far third, plus you can just take the island for your fourth since other races can't mass drop.
Zerg is the disadvantaged race in drop play, that is why island maps were removed in the first place. And especially with the highground next to island expos(safe siege/mnm/templar drops ), it will be very difficult to utilize it for zergs
Aah thats the stuff..
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
April 08 2011 12:52 GMT
#66
more like chateau d'if right
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
April 08 2011 13:02 GMT
#67
Lol, TL.net map discussion: every map is T favored.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
April 08 2011 13:10 GMT
#68
All maps are Terran maps until you actually play on them
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
April 08 2011 13:19 GMT
#69
oh please cut the T-is-OP-theorycrafting already...
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
April 08 2011 13:40 GMT
#70
Main's minerals are cornered -> no muta harass
2nd expansion allows turrets to be built behind the minerals -> no muta harass
2nd expansion on high ground -> Terran two base play is going to be the standard in every single TvZ
Slow drops have a very small range to work with.

I fear for the Swarm.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 08 2011 13:54 GMT
#71
On April 08 2011 21:40 SkytoM wrote:
and OF COURSE Bisu v Flash is on that map.. let's hope it's not T Favored..

poor bisu, always getting screwed..

Until Group D is finished i will change my sig to f... you hydra! i hope thats allowed. it's my opinion that this was one of the most despiseable moves ever in the history of the MSL Ceremony.


settle down, there hasnt even been a game on this map yet and you're whining about bisu being the victim of map imbalance -_-
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
April 08 2011 13:54 GMT
#72
Bwahahaha, this never fails; people always say maps are T-favoured when they see them for the first time. Always. XD
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 14:00:31
April 08 2011 13:57 GMT
#73
Yeeees a new map! Looks good. Lower than normal resources for a pro-map.

On April 08 2011 21:33 konadora wrote:
meh, looks mediocre at best.

MSL's map pool should have triathlon permanently in place.

Are you kidding? There's so many different ways to play this map. Gameplay options = better than your average bear map

On April 08 2011 22:54 Holgerius wrote:
Bwahahaha, this never fails; people always say maps are T-favoured when they see them for the first time. Always. XD

People contradict each other a million times about the balance of a map. The fact of the matter is that you never know until it gets played out on TV for a year. Sometimes races even initially have trouble but then adapt.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Ubersturmfuhrer
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland206 Posts
April 08 2011 14:06 GMT
#74
[image loading]
[image loading]
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
April 08 2011 14:50 GMT
#75
this map is not Terran Favored until FBH beats stork on it.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
shucklesors
Profile Joined May 2010
Singapore1176 Posts
April 08 2011 15:02 GMT
#76
Wait, would your 4th be horizontal from your main or vertical?
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
April 08 2011 15:08 GMT
#77
ROFL. I knew exactly what half of the post gonna be (zomg terran imba! zerg has no chance!!) and it still craks me up.

I wonder why is that though. Are people just shitty when it comes to evaluating maps or is there some undertone on hating terran in general?
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
April 08 2011 15:16 GMT
#78
ok... if only~ zerg could get the expansion early, get the island expo and the 4th next to it... then have a 5th above the fourth... then somehow retain map control and shutting down expos... they'll win every time~....

but seriously... i don't see a very viable strategy for zerg... Jaedong will just pull out with pure brilliance~
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:20:13
April 08 2011 15:19 GMT
#79
Immediately claim unplayed map as Zerg graveyard
Advocate keeping Triathlon, with 55.6/62.5% ZvT/ZvP winrate

LOLwut
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
April 08 2011 15:20 GMT
#80
On April 08 2011 22:54 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 21:40 SkytoM wrote:
and OF COURSE Bisu v Flash is on that map.. let's hope it's not T Favored..

poor bisu, always getting screwed..

Until Group D is finished i will change my sig to f... you hydra! i hope thats allowed. it's my opinion that this was one of the most despiseable moves ever in the history of the MSL Ceremony.


settle down, there hasnt even been a game on this map yet and you're whining about bisu being the victim of map imbalance -_-


I'm just acting like Bisu himself

But you're right.
Bisu... ;-(
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 254
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 4877
Larva 675
Shuttle 553
PianO 164
Sacsri 50
Dewaltoss 41
Bale 34
Stork 17
NotJumperer 17
soO 13
Dota 2
XaKoH 662
monkeys_forever437
NeuroSwarm112
League of Legends
JimRising 624
Counter-Strike
fl0m1342
Other Games
summit1g16433
WinterStarcraft474
C9.Mang0285
mouzStarbuck12
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream1499
Other Games
gamesdonequick680
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream115
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH136
• LUISG 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt1860
• Lourlo1028
• HappyZerGling113
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
2h 6m
RSL Revival
2h 6m
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
4h 6m
Cure vs Reynor
Classic vs herO
IPSL
9h 6m
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
OSC
11h 6m
BSL 21
12h 6m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
RSL Revival
1d 2h
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
1d 4h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 4h
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
1d 12h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 12h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.