EPThe's been in the top 30 kespa for months
holds the most starleague wins
more osl/msl ro16 appearances
439-290(60%.22) record according to tlpd
compared to 288-144 (61.29%) of oov. i believe the more wins, the more dominance.
iloveoov...most dominant of all time? - Page 3
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
he's been in the top 30 kespa for months holds the most starleague wins more osl/msl ro16 appearances 439-290(60%.22) record according to tlpd compared to 288-144 (61.29%) of oov. i believe the more wins, the more dominance. | ||
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oBlade
United States6119 Posts
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On January 14 2011 02:03 oBlade wrote: That's consistency, and that's something YellOw also excelled at. But it isn't dominance. You even use career stats. How can Nada's career record, which spans almost all of SC's life also, say anything about how he dominated? how can you be dominant if you are not consistent in winning? and also the OP stated that OOV is the most dominant of ALL TIME, not specifying any time range so im using career stats. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
As an example, someone might dominate the SC2 scene right now, NesTea or whoever, but it won't be as impressive as someone dominating the SC1 scene because the game hasn't evolved so far yet so dominance is much easier to achieve. | ||
Waxangel
United States33603 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5809 Posts
On January 14 2011 02:11 Waxangel wrote: A big part of reason why old school fans consider iloveoov's run the most dominant of all time is content of his games and the quality of his opposition. He beat a lot of very good players, and he made them look seriously bad. Well, Flash, too, beat an astounding number of great players. Remember how he 3-0'ed Stork? He made Jaedong look really bad in couple finals, even though the latter was significantly better than other players at that time. | ||
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oBlade
United States6119 Posts
On January 14 2011 02:06 icystorage wrote: how can you be dominant if you are not consistent in winning? and also the OP stated that OOV is the most dominant of ALL TIME, not specifying any time range so im using career stats. That's not what I said. But using the obvious example I gave, although YellOw was consistent, he wasn't dominant. Dominance doesn't necessarily follow from consistency. I can't think of a player who didn't display consistency but who did dominate (I'm trying because I think it would be interesting), but it would have to be someone like Silver who just rolled his best matchups all the time. Perhaps Hwasin or Mind. I think by most dominant of all time, OP meant that oov's dominance was so powerful during his prime that it exceeds anything anyone else achieved during their prime. | ||
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strength
United States493 Posts
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
On January 13 2011 23:19 elf_01 wrote: Read Plexa's Final Edits (I Loved Victory, Parts 1 and 2) on oov. It more or less sums up his entire career/dominance and its an amazing read. will do, thank you! On January 13 2011 23:23 oBlade wrote: iloveoov ultimately took the H.O.T-Forever route of team welfare > selfish individual attempts at stardom. what do you mean? On January 13 2011 23:28 qrs wrote: Forget Plexa's articles: this article (which btw is what brought Ver to public notice) is the best article on iloveoov out there, hands down. thank you! On January 13 2011 23:49 integral wrote: Sounds like someone didn't see flash play the entire year before he joined TL. yes, i originally came here for sc2 (yuck)...but then I discovered BW  I do think Flash will go down as the greatest of all time...although I wish I could have been around for effOrt coming back against him. Thats definitely a chink in his armor. Oov is still the most dominant of all time though...he accomplished more than any other player during his prime. You can knock his competition, but its not like he was beating randoms in finals. On January 14 2011 00:29 oBlade wrote: I don't follow. The line between who won and who could have won in every finals is very thin, and the sample is so small that it's basically useless. iloveoov could have lost to Boxer in the 5th set, he could have lost to YellOw on U-Boat and been reverse swept 3-2. It's extremely impressive to 3-0 a bunch of opponents in finals, but it's not necessary for the dominance. There are so many different numbers that point to Flash. He has as many finals wins as oov, so it should be a point for him that he's made it to 2 more finals than oov. Are you trying to say luck and chance has more to do with winning than skill and ability? At the end of the day, we can say whatever we want, but 5-0 is still 5-0, and he won his titles faster than any other player. On January 14 2011 01:54 revy wrote: I don't think you can really compare Flash's dominance and Oov's dominance, the time periods are just too different. I think you can safely say that the two of them were the most dominant ever but I feel any attempts at statistical or anecdotal comparison between the two will fall flat. well said sir. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
note: this is v nada, a top player, very excellent player at the time and to people bringing out flash's PL stats, look at what oov did for 4u; considering the smaller format of PL, he probably matched or beat flash's w/l ratio at the time | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
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MindRush
Romania916 Posts
On January 13 2011 23:18 Holgerius wrote: I think Flash's 2010 is more ridculous. yeah, being so dominant in 2010 is way harder than back in 2003 nowadays alot of new and strong players emerge, and Flash somehow manages to bash them all and stay there. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On January 14 2011 02:11 Waxangel wrote: A big part of reason why old school fans consider iloveoov's run the most dominant of all time is content of his games and the quality of his opposition. He beat a lot of very good players, and he made them look seriously bad. If you ignore players like Movie, I could see the argument going the other way. After all, Flash dominate Jaedong, arguably the best or second best player to ever play starcraft broodwar. The quality of flash's opponents i'd say were pretty damned good. I think it's really too hard to say which run is better. | ||
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doothegee
Korea (South)3011 Posts
 iloveoov was terran, which is  some other zerg played on shit maps -- maps made specifically to bring him down -- and was more dominant at ZvP than oov was at TvZ.- from an ex-CJ fanboy | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
On January 14 2011 03:05 doothegee wrote: iloveoov was terran, which is some other zerg played on shit maps -- maps made specifically to bring him down -- and was more dominant at ZvP than oov was at TvZ.- from an ex-CJ fanboy i'd love for someone to make a case for savior.... | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
On January 14 2011 02:43 Navi wrote: and to people bringing out flash's PL stats, look at what oov did for 4u; considering the smaller format of PL, he probably matched or beat flash's w/l ratio at the time From Ver's article: However, iloveoov was not just a Nada, who dominated single leagues but didn't hold his massive weight in teamleagues. Back when all kill leagues were around, iloveoov was the only ingredient needed. With a 13-2 record overall in the MBCGAME teamleague and putting up performances like this, It's not exactly hard to see how 4U won despite having a lineup similar to KTF last season. Loser's bracket finals 4U vs GO 1: Xellos(GO) defeated Kos(4U) on Enter the Dragon 2: Xellos(GO) defeated IntoTheRainbow(4U) on Detonation_Xnote 3: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Xellos(GO) on JR's Memory 4: ILoveoov(4U) defeated ForU(GO) on Parallellines 5: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Nal_rA(GO) on Enter the Dragon 6: ILoveoov(4U) defeated Eros~Rage(GO) on Detonation_Xnote 4Union 4 : 2 GO | ||
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BritishBeef
United Kingdom372 Posts
So i think for sure Flash is the most dominant, i mean everytime i hear the name flash i think unbeatable cyborg that really needs to fucking stop playing so good? YOU JOKING KID?? 15 WINNING UR FIRST STARLEAGUE ? ok kid go to bed your grounded!! Sorry about the last part i just get angryz when i think how good flash is | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
http://limitedlist.com/list/most-dominant-bonjwa-starcraft Some other SC polls that I made (since they're not going to get its own thread): http://limitedlist.com/starcraft | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
iloveoov did not even get into dual finals once. For every final that iloveoov played he had already dropped out in the opposing league. Nada made dual finals and won. Flash made dual finals and won. It's not impossible, Nada and Flash proved it. So why couldn't iloveoov do it? | ||
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myIRE
Belgium229 Posts
On January 14 2011 03:47 J1.au wrote: No he isn't. iloveoov did not even get into dual finals once. For every final that iloveoov played he had already dropped out in the opposing league. Nada made dual finals and won. Flash made dual finals and won. It's not impossible, Nada and Flash proved it. So why couldn't iloveoov do it?Well, that's going a bit too far I think. People look at the whole domination process from their corner and take different things into consideration. For some folks being consistent is being dominant, for some people it's the most league wins for others is something else. I actually don't think we could tell who's more dominant, because they haven't really played a long side one another. It's all kind of subjective. | ||
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