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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
January 05 2011 16:43 GMT
#61
Christ, prices for the top 10 people are so high.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 05 2011 17:22 GMT
#62
Team discussion: I attempt to go for maximum return: usually the top players cost more than they "earn" so I go with middle-rank players, but this leaves you open as those players tend to be more unpredictable. Anyway, the team:

Main Team
3 (T)firebathero (captain) - I ended up picking up a lot of Zerg players, and needed a Terran. I also have a long history of selecting firebathero as captain. So yeah.
7 (Z)Hydra - For a bona fide ace player, given some of the other prices, Hydra was right up there. Of course, we don't know how he'll do in WL, and he may get pushed out a little if Leta goes on a hot streak.
7 (Z)Shine - The most consistent of WeMade's players. Not the threat to all-kill of BaBy (or even RorO, whose skill ceiling is imo higher), but more dangerous match to match and a sure stopgap.
3 (Z)Crazy-Hydra - The most "efficient" player in terms of ratio of points earned to cost (other than Brave and TurN, who I stayed away from since they both had worrying R2s).
4 (P)Tyson - Needed a Protoss. This is (one of) the Protoss who almost beat Flash in the last WL Playoffs, and he's been doing good this year - and after paying for Shine and Hydra, he's cheap!
1 (Z)Yellow
5 Woongjin - Woongjin, however worryingly bad they are at times, does have a bunch of depth. I'm debating dropping to WeMade and picking up a 3-pointer to replace YellOw, but we'll see. I may also go with MBC instead - or pay for STX and dowgrade somebody.

Anti Team
5 (Z)Action
4 (T)HiyA
4 (P)Jangbi

Other than Action, who is bad and seriously overpriced thus making him a clear anti choice, this is basically boom or bust: HiyA and Jangbi are both potential S-Class players (thus the still high price) in terrible terrible slumps (thus the anti selection). If either returns to form, I'm screwed; if they keep playing awful, this will be just fine.
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 05 2011 17:25 GMT
#63
Hot_Bid you spelled my name wrong in the top 10 for the last FPL T.T


Catsoup

Main Team
4 (T)Mind
2 (P)Paralyze
6 (Z)Soulkey
4 (P)Stats
7 (P)Stork (captain)
1 (T)Suny
6 KT

Anti Team
5 (Z)Calm
4 (Z)ggaemo
4 (P)Tyson

Stork because Stork, KT because KT, anti-Calm because... he's going to lose.

User was warned for this post
:)
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 21:10:08
January 05 2011 17:36 GMT
#64
edit: whoops. will read thread next time

User was warned for this post
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
January 05 2011 17:36 GMT
#65
My Team:
(P)Stork - 7 - He's Stork, come on now

(T)Light - 7 - He's motherfucking Light, come on now

(P)Stats - 4 - Will get some points for team wins cuz he just needs a win or two before/after Flash, and he'll get playing time

(P)By.Sun - 3 - PvP Sniper on the top team SK, he'll get points for just being on SK

(Z)n.Die_soO - 3 - Same as above, but without the playing time, so no risk

(T)sKyHigh - 3 - best TvT sniper on gods earth, his team wont win much but he should scrape a few

Samsung KHAN - Value pick, every other teams too expensive, meaning teams with at least one good player.

Anti team:
(Z)Calm - 5 - he'll suck
(Z)Action - 5 - he'll suck, again
(T)RuBy - 3 - he's on air force, might get a win once in a while but his team won't.
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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 19:03:28
January 05 2011 18:59 GMT
#66
Winner's league? Flash and Jaedong are all I need... and those all-kill bonjwa.

Nevermind, they are expansive like shit.
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
January 05 2011 19:15 GMT
#67
On January 05 2011 17:01 Milkis wrote:
TEAM HOTBID GONNA BUY ME LUNCH

yeah hotbid and i have a bet riding on this team

Main Team
2 (P)Anytime

I think gambling on Ace players are a good idea, since a lot of them are mature enough to take responsibility and such... I think Anytime will definitely get more playtime especially since everyone else well, sucks atm.

You've made a critical error there--Anytime was released from his military service a little over two months ago. He's back to playing for Hwaseung Oz.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 05 2011 19:19 GMT
#68
Some concept teams:

Efficiency (best points scored per cost so far):
WeMade (3), Brave (3), TurN (3), ggaemo (4), Stats (4), by.hero (3), Crazy-Hydra (3)
A little math reveals this is only 23 points; on further inspection let's drop TurN and Brave (who saw less work in R2) to get to 17, and pick us up some ace players. For instance Hydra (7) and ZerO (6).
Final: WeMade (3), ggaemo (4), Stats (4), by.hero (3) (c), Crazy-Hydra (3), Hydra (7), ZerO (6).

Most Improved (most improvement from R1 to R2):
This is going to get expensive, because a lot of aces were playing badly in R1. Anyway, your start would be:
Hydra (7), Light (7), Stork (7), Calm (5), Leta (9), Shine (7), ACE (0).
Even with ACE, this is a 42 point team; how you reduce it is a tricky question. Light is usually a WL star and is getting back on his feet; keep him. Leta looks overpriced but probably worth it because: Winnersleague. Stork hasn't shown up that well in past WL - ditch him. Shine and Hydra are essentially clones of each other record-wise so far, but because of their very different play-styles I'd only keep one. Calm's always a threat.
So with: Leta (9), Light (7), Calm (5), Hydra (7), ACE (0), you're at 28. I'd recommend spending your 2 on Grape and whichever of Cloud and Rock (both 0) you think will a) suck less or b) play less). Alternatively, pick another 2 pointer; alternatively, go with a pair of 1-point threats (Xellos and Reach, Xellos and Sharp, Xellos and Peace, Xellos and honestlyXellosistheonlyevencompetent1-pointeranywayjustpickone).
Final: Leta (9) (c), Light (7), Calm (5), Hydra (7), Grape (2), Rock (0), ACE (0)
Don't Shoot the Penguins. | Dance, 성은, dance! | Killer FanKlub | Action sucks. | Storm Terran hwaiting.
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 20:09:32
January 05 2011 19:45 GMT
#69
One thing that's important to check out is:
Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point***

So just imo an equivalently skilled/priced CJ or SKT player should be valued higher than an ACE player simply because of an increased likelihood of their team to win.

Can somebody please do a comparison for the historical results of choosing a 13 point player vs a 6+7 point player? Thanks,
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
January 05 2011 20:01 GMT
#70
On January 06 2011 01:00 DropBear wrote:

If I could include XSebT, Craton and Mustaju in my team I would too keep up the great work guys!

That's the sweetest thing I've heard all day. Thank you. :3
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
January 05 2011 20:26 GMT
#71
Yo man.....this is incredibly hard to make a team. Last round there were gimmes in Leta, Light, and Stork all at 4 points. Damn this is gonna be hard. I better not be late this time LOL.
KT_Violet
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1762 Posts
January 05 2011 20:53 GMT
#72
Picking a cost-effective terran player is hard. I ended up picking firebathero.
Leee Jaee Doong
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
January 05 2011 21:34 GMT
#73
On January 05 2011 17:38 infinitestory wrote:
my team & analysis:
the esports pwnage incarnate crew

+ Show Spoiler +


Main Team
2 (P)Anytime

He's on Oz, and is probably the 2nd best player. Count on him to be sent out a good number of times provided JD doesn't win everything. A definite steal for main.

3 (P)Brave

In a time when P is strong (several teams that are doing well have at least one strong protoss), Brave has quietly amassed a solid record vP. Coupled with Stork (who is looking weakest at PvP recently), he can help Khan overachieve.

5 (Z)Calm

Another solid vP player and STX's second ace. He'll be sent out a lot more now that he's in form, and expect him to be a clutch player.

3 (T)sKyHigh

so i herd streakbreaking flash/light/sea/midas/fantasy is worth extra points

5 (P)Snow

A good all-around player on hite. Pretty tough to snipe, since he's developed his vZ and vP matchups, and he can snipe almost anyone at vT.

7 (P)Stork (captain)

I don't get why the #1 PR player is worth barely half as much as the #5 PR.

4 STX

I would have picked MBC, but their aces aren't looking very strong lately. And Oz can't even bank on JD to win everything. STX it is.

Anti Team
3 (Z)Crazy-Hydra

I'm pretty sure he's a fluke, and his team isn't winning. Why is he 3 points?

3 (Z)HoGiL

vP sniper my ass. He hasn't beaten a capable, in form PvZ player since a hugely streaky run last year in SPL. What does Hogil even snipe these days? A sick JD?

7 (T)Light

You might be thinking, wait, what? It's true that Light can beat zergs. But what kind of team is idiotic enough to throw zergs at Light? Obviously, it'll be Terran or Protoss. Light's been figured out since his epic run last year. Most teams have not one but two players who could beat Light. That's more than enough to stop him.




Streak ending is worth points now, which gives a bit of an edge to snipers. Without that, I probably would have gotten Classic instead of Skyhigh and used the extra points on a 6-point team. To be honest, I'm still considering that, since the streak ending points aren't exactly huge.

Right now, I wouldn't be as confident in KT or Oz as I normally would in SWL. Flash and Jaedong are looking more mortal than ever, and (assuming their winrates have dropped to a depressing 66%) their chances of an All-Kill are around 20%. But who'd cover for Flash or JD if they do lose once? Once Flash and JD go, the rest of their teams are generally comprised of below-average or out-of-form players, which means deep teams like STX can actually beat KT and Oz.

That doesn't mean they're not going to win, though. If JD gets 3 wins (not unlikely) and Backho/Hiya/Anytime can muster together a single win between the three of them, that's still a win for Oz. Same if Flash wins 3 times and Stats/rOo/Action pull something together. What I'm worried about is that if Jaedong or Flash lose after picking up only 1 or 2 wins, their respective teams are probably doomed. And that's looking more likely than usual right now.

Prices are not so much inflated as scattered. I felt like there was a large range of players with about equal skill levels that spanned point values 2-9. Although that's probably a side effect of R2 being really weird in that almost nobody played consistently.

Except Stork.

Who is now 7 points.



Very good team, looking forward to seeing you dish out the pain!
Subject to change.

LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
January 05 2011 21:43 GMT
#74
i was tempted to put stork on my main team, but i'm hoping fantasy takes light spot as "All Kill" wonder in this WL.

i'm betting on stx to win this WL, so i'm putting shuttle and calm in my team. Hope i'm right (tought i'm cheering for CJ to take this round ). Last WL was my best FPL so far, if it weren't for FBH i could've been in the top 20 or top 10....
BW is back
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 05 2011 22:03 GMT
#75
SO HARD TO MAKE A TEAM. EVERYONE TOO EXPENSIVE

Main Team
2 (P)Anytime
1 (T)Bbyong
7 (Z)Hydra (captain)
7 (T)Light
2 (P)Paralyze
5 (P)Snow
6 Hite

Anti Team
5 (Z)Calm
4 (P)Jangbi
4 (P)Violet


Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.

I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
January 05 2011 22:05 GMT
#76
What I did to take advantage of the team win +1 bonus is I took 6 people from 6 different teams (Oz, Khan, Hite, ACE, STX, KT) and made sure that none of the people on my anti were on any of those 3 teams (think about it, if you put say, stork on main and great on anti you don't take advantage of your samsung win bonus since you get 0 whenever it happens!) going with 2 FOX players and one Stars player.

I didn't really make any special plans around streak breaking though. I guess I'll see what happens
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 22:26:55
January 05 2011 22:26 GMT
#77
On January 05 2011 23:19 Rinrun wrote:
Awesome, and it looks like Jaehoon is going to be destroyin' some teams' dreams.
You will all eat your words.

This. MBC will likely use Jaehoon as a sniper (with his 6-1 PvT) so he's going to score extra points for breaking someone's winning streak.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
January 05 2011 22:33 GMT
#78
On January 06 2011 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
SO HARD TO MAKE A TEAM. EVERYONE TOO EXPENSIVE

Main Team
2 (P)Anytime
1 (T)Bbyong
7 (Z)Hydra (captain)
7 (T)Light
2 (P)Paralyze
5 (P)Snow
6 Hite

Anti Team
5 (Z)Calm
4 (P)Jangbi
4 (P)Violet


Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.

I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.


This is the kind of statement that confuses me sometimes. It's true that Flash/Jaedong are threats to all-kill but people need not worry about starting times for that. After all, if anything, KT/Oz might send out 1-3 players before sending out Flash/Jaedong so playing time concerns aren't entirely that bad.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 05 2011 23:45 GMT
#79
On January 06 2011 07:33 Apex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2011 07:03 Kenpachi wrote:
SO HARD TO MAKE A TEAM. EVERYONE TOO EXPENSIVE

Main Team
2 (P)Anytime
1 (T)Bbyong
7 (Z)Hydra (captain)
7 (T)Light
2 (P)Paralyze
5 (P)Snow
6 Hite

Anti Team
5 (Z)Calm
4 (P)Jangbi
4 (P)Violet


Anytime can actually win games now that he left ACE. Bbyong is actually good. you just dont know it. Hydra is gonna become a bonjwa. hes gonna overtake Jaedong and Flash after winning his first MSL and not slump like the rest. I have light because i need a good terran on my team and he was good last WL. Paralyze has an afro. Snow will help Hydra destroy the world in 2011.

I dont like calm. Jangbi is slumping hard. HAAAAAAAAARD. and i doubt Violet will do anything with Flash allkilling everyone.


This is the kind of statement that confuses me sometimes. It's true that Flash/Jaedong are threats to all-kill but people need not worry about starting times for that. After all, if anything, KT/Oz might send out 1-3 players before sending out Flash/Jaedong so playing time concerns aren't entirely that bad.

oh right. lol well violet isnt consistent enough so i think hes a solid choice for the anti team
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
dani_caliKorea
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
730 Posts
January 05 2011 23:51 GMT
#80
Why is hwaesung 4...?
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