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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
October 30 2010 08:22 GMT
#61
Flash is the most dominant ... You can't deny 6 finals in 1 season , even if he only won 4 of them .
Sillylaughs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada198 Posts
October 30 2010 08:43 GMT
#62
Nada, nada, nada :D

Obviously the word greatest is subjective. Some of you need to chill out lol
Nada/Midas/Mind/Baby [WMF Terrans forever]
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
October 30 2010 09:22 GMT
#63
Bill Russel is Nada ( most succesful, ultimate champion, etc)

BoxeR is MJ
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 09:47:51
October 30 2010 09:39 GMT
#64
savior was the best and will be the best forever, ledends never die!
as second best i would pick boxer, like his sc2 gamestyle more then nadas!
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 10:14:08
October 30 2010 10:13 GMT
#65
You really should choose a more specific word. 'Greatest' can be interpreted in too many different ways to make this post worthwhile; influential, skillful, dominant, popular, all-of-the-above etc.

I don't think there's any question really as to who was the most influential (BoxeR) or who was the most skillful (NaDa). Really what it comes down to is which of those things you value more.

But anyway... for me, BoxeR without doubt.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
October 30 2010 10:33 GMT
#66
If you break the word greatest down, it becomes very similar to "most popular".
You can't measure greatness because each person places different weights to different attributes.

I think Boxer's the greatest because of what he did for the scene.
But someone could easily argue that NaDa is greatest because of what he achieved over such a long period of time.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
FALAPARK
Profile Joined January 2010
United States224 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 10:57:20
October 30 2010 10:56 GMT
#67
Boxer made me want to play starcraft then idra made want to play starcraft2 and day9 just made me wanna keep playing both starcraft 2 n 1......and now I'm watching Gsl because of boxer again. This Guy makes you do things you don't really wanna do......
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
October 30 2010 11:30 GMT
#68
There's no greatest, I even doubt if Flash and/or Jaedong will be such dominant as they were in 2010/2009 respectively. Brand new season, and new games.

By influence Boxer is definitely ahead anyone.
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ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
October 30 2010 11:48 GMT
#69
Its simply incomparable. The difference between slayersboxer and nada is like the difference between Dota and Heroes of Newerth, where slayersboxer is the sc equivalent of dota and nada is sc equivalent of Heroes of Newerth. For those who don't know what Dota and Heroes of Newerth is, Dota is a custom map in wc3 and Heroes of Newerth is a copy game of Dota, with a few adjustments such as better graphics and similar unit design. Obviously, Heroes of Newerth would never have existed without Dota, and likewise, Nada (or any other terran progamer for that matter) wouldn't be the same without Boxer, seeing as Nada wouldn't be abled to use the innovative strategies and micro techniques which boxer had contributed and of course we all know that before boxer, terran was pretty much disadvantaged.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
October 30 2010 11:52 GMT
#70
Nada of course. The best ever will be.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
October 30 2010 11:59 GMT
#71
On October 30 2010 12:54 dukethegold wrote:
Let's put it this way.

Nada's accomplishment CAN be surpassed. Both Jaedong and Flash look ready to break Nada's title count.

Boxer's legacy CAN NOT be surpassed by ANYBODY. He is the father of brood war progaming, the innovator of the Terran race back when it was UP, the ONLY progamer to reach into the hearts of the mainstream, the sole ICON of e-sport, the discoverer of micro play, the founder of TWO (he literally created SKT and was instrumental in the creation of ACE) of the twelve (now ten) pro-gaming teams, the cause behind the creation of the Golden Mouse, involved with the greatest rivalry (Boxer/Yellow) in e-sport history, the oldest progamer alive, etc etc.

Let's face it, who gives a fuck about titles, Nada can't crash the GSL stream, and Flash can't attract 1 million fans just by popping up his face. Only Starcraft gamers know who Nada is, while your Korean parents and their parents in the retirement home can recognize Boxer's face. When everybody's dead and gone, Boxer's name will remain, while the rest will simply be a passing mention in the dusty history book.

great post, I agree.

Tho in that History book, with all the progamers just listed alphabetically, and Boxer having a complete chapter for himself, NaDa will at least have a picture next to his name.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
October 30 2010 12:35 GMT
#72
I always say that Nada is the greatest ever. But Boxer is God.
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cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
October 30 2010 12:43 GMT
#73
Out of curiosity, will any of the BW fans who have little to no general interest in SC2 be watching the Boxer vs Nada GSL match coming up on Tuesday?
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
October 30 2010 12:48 GMT
#74
It's like comparing the best archer (NaDa) to the guy who invented the bow (BoxeR).
Soft is the blade that is the heart || 万歳!
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
October 30 2010 13:02 GMT
#75
On October 30 2010 12:54 dukethegold wrote:
Let's put it this way.

Nada's accomplishment CAN be surpassed. Both Jaedong and Flash look ready to break Nada's title count.

Boxer's legacy CAN NOT be surpassed by ANYBODY. He is the father of brood war progaming, the innovator of the Terran race back when it was UP, the ONLY progamer to reach into the hearts of the mainstream, the sole ICON of e-sport, the discoverer of micro play, the founder of TWO (he literally created SKT and was instrumental in the creation of ACE) of the twelve (now ten) pro-gaming teams, the cause behind the creation of the Golden Mouse, involved with the greatest rivalry (Boxer/Yellow) in e-sport history, the oldest progamer alive, etc etc.

Let's face it, who gives a fuck about titles, Nada can't crash the GSL stream, and Flash can't attract 1 million fans just by popping up his face. Only Starcraft gamers know who Nada is, while your Korean parents and their parents in the retirement home can recognize Boxer's face. When everybody's dead and gone, Boxer's name will remain, while the rest will simply be a passing mention in the dusty history book.


Greatest post I've read in a long long time.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
October 30 2010 15:23 GMT
#76
You have to look at it also from, where would nada be if boxer had never existed. I don't think any player is G.O.A.T. atm simply because the brood war scene is still going. If you want to award titles like most influential (boxer) or most successful (nada) thats fine.
As far as I'm concerned oov>>>>>them all. credit to boxer because he brought him up
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mols0n
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada388 Posts
October 30 2010 15:27 GMT
#77
On October 30 2010 12:49 kawatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 12:44 rift wrote:
On October 30 2010 12:40 kawatan wrote:
fuck titles. elo measures actual skill.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players#tblt-142-1-5-DESC
NaDa wins again.


yeah, boxers still better looking though.


My god flash is a monster
Borknagarush
Profile Joined February 2009
176 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-30 15:33:12
October 30 2010 15:30 GMT
#78
On October 30 2010 21:43 cuppatea wrote:
Out of curiosity, will any of the BW fans who have little to no general interest in SC2 be watching the Boxer vs Nada GSL match coming up on Tuesday?


I will watch.I haven't seen the final of GSL1. SC2 is just too boring for me.
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
October 30 2010 15:36 GMT
#79
Boxer is the most charismatic figure ever
NaDa as most titles achivements (altho can be surpassed)
i agree with 80% of ppl said =x
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
October 30 2010 15:56 GMT
#80
On October 30 2010 17:03 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2010 13:16 travis wrote:
On October 30 2010 12:26 dani_caliKorea wrote:
Boxer = most influential
Nada = the greatest
Oov = most dominant?


isn't jaedong the most dominant? or savior even?

[image loading]


this is really dominant imo


Incredibly so, but so was Savior's run and Flash's run. Neither came out of nowhere with the streak of fire that Oov did. It's kinda pointless to determine who was the most dominant though, there are just too many things that you cant translate through the periods. I think you can roughly break the Bonjwas into a few catagories: Dominate, Innovative, and .. My god do these guys ever go away?

While all the bonjwa were exceptional in all of these catagories I think it roughly breaks down more like this:

Dominate - Flash and Oov
Innovative - Boxer and Savior
Longevity - Nada ----- (If JD wins another title I would argue that he probably should fit into this catagory)

Which catagory is more important to being the goat? I don't know, it depends on your definition.
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