On October 30 2010 12:54 dukethegold wrote: Let's put it this way.
Nada's accomplishment CAN be surpassed. Both Jaedong and Flash look ready to break Nada's title count.
Boxer's legacy CAN NOT be surpassed by ANYBODY. He is the father of brood war progaming, the innovator of the Terran race back when it was UP, the ONLY progamer to reach into the hearts of the mainstream, the sole ICON of e-sport, the discoverer of micro play, the founder of TWO (he literally created SKT and was instrumental in the creation of ACE) of the twelve (now ten) pro-gaming teams, the cause behind the creation of the Golden Mouse, involved with the greatest rivalry (Boxer/Yellow) in e-sport history, the oldest progamer alive, etc etc.
Let's face it, who gives a fuck about titles, Nada can't crash the GSL stream, and Flash can't attract 1 million fans just by popping up his face. When everybody's dead and gone, Boxer's name will remain, while the rest will simply be a passing mention in the dusty history book.
/clap Well said, I agree.
T_T though this is pretty much true, how can anyone not love nada!?
On October 30 2010 13:15 SimonB wrote: I'm sorry, I just have never understood this infatuation with Boxer. He is not the best in dominance, in influence, and certainly not skill.
Boxer was gimmicky. Nada's play-style was way more influential.
I am not quite sure if you understand your brood war history.
It depends on what criteria you use to define greatness. Boxer is obviously the most famous and influential player to come from BW, but he's been competitively irrelevant for over half a decade now and even in his prime, wasn't really tremendously dominant.
Nada has probably been one of the most consistent competitors and has the most title wins of all players to date. So if you're counting titles, he would take the title (until he is surpassed).
If we're talking sheer dominance during his time, I'd have to award that one to Savior. Despite all the hate on him for the matchfixing nonsense, during his prime, Savior was the single most intimidating force in BW by a large margin. Jaedong comes close, but he has a rival in Flash (and vice versa). Savior had no rival to take anything away from him during his reign.
Of course JD and Flash cannot be left out of the running either. Their ability to dominate the scene at this point in time when it's reached maturity is a testament to their unsurpassed skill and talent. They've found consistent success amongst a field of players much more skilled than any of the previously mentioned players and both are in position to match or break Nada's record for most title wins.
Really, all of them are great in their own way. I'm not so sure you can compare them in any fair way.
On October 30 2010 13:15 SimonB wrote: I'm sorry, I just have never understood this infatuation with Boxer. He is not the best in dominance, in influence, and certainly not skill.
Boxer was gimmicky. Nada's play-style was way more influential.
I am not quite sure if you understand your brood war history.
Am I? Boxer had those 11 months or so back in 2000, but after that Nada defined terran. Pretty quickly you saw all terrans look more and more like Nada. Oov brought another step forward away from Boxer, and that was that for his gimmicky style.
Today, you can look at a Nada game from '01-'03 and you can see the roots of Flash's style, but you look at a Boxer game from then or before and it's completely alien to modern SC (or really anything from the last five years).
Boxer means only slightly more to me than Garimto (which really shouldn't be an insult, but most Boxer fanboys will take it as such).
On October 30 2010 13:23 LegendaryZ wrote: If we're talking sheer dominance during his time, I'd have to award that one to Savior. Despite all the hate on him for the matchfixing nonsense, during his prime, Savior was the single most intimidating force in BW by a large margin. Jaedong comes close, but he has a rival in Flash (and vice versa). Savior had no rival to take anything away from him during his reign.
Ahem, Flash accomplished everything Savior did and significantly more in less than a year.
On October 30 2010 12:54 fearus wrote: When did the GOAT become having the most titles? Jordan does not have the most NBA championships, Laver does not have the most Grand Slam titles. Warnie does not have the most wickets taken by a spinner.
two of the three are team sports, and it's far from unanimous that laver is the best ever.
On October 30 2010 13:44 Wolf wrote: I had to Urban Dictionary GOAT to see what it meant. I think SlayerS_BoxeR is definitely more GOAT than NaDa for Brood War.
There is no formal definition of G.O.A.T. And G.O.A.T for BW for some people doesn't equate to the number of titles won either. Everybody has a different interpretation of G.O.A.T - that's the beauty of this discussion.
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