EPTOn November 02 2010 05:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The greatest of all time? NaDa.
The most influential? Boxer.
The greatest of all time? NaDa.
The most influential? Boxer.
This sums it up pretty nicely
G.O.A.T: Boxer or Nada? - Page 9
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
This sums it up pretty nicely | ||
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dras
Kazakhstan376 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 04 2010 12:04 dras wrote: does savi0r get the nod for "most dominant" over oov becuase he never lost to him? Sheis never lost to any Zergs, including Jaedong. most dominant imo | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
as such, neither nada or boxer has a claim on the best player, so i'm not sure nada gets that many points for being a better player skillwise and stylewise over boxer in a discussion of legacy. in terms of strategic innovation, oov or savior outdo them both as well. | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
because... dukethegold Let's put it this way. Nada's accomplishment CAN be surpassed. Both Jaedong and Flash look ready to break Nada's title count. Boxer's legacy CAN NOT be surpassed by ANYBODY. He is the father of brood war progaming, the innovator of the Terran race back when it was UP, the ONLY progamer to reach into the hearts of the mainstream, the sole ICON of e-sport, the discoverer of micro play, the founder of TWO (he literally created SKT and was instrumental in the creation of ACE) of the twelve (now ten) pro-gaming teams, the cause behind the creation of the Golden Mouse, involved with the greatest rivalry (Boxer/Yellow) in e-sport history, the oldest progamer alive, etc etc. and... ReketSomething Lee jae dong will dominate everyone in 2011. HELL YEAH!! 2010-11 is the season of THE BEAST!!! JAEDONG is GOATA ("Also", kk) | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
There are many reasons why one may be better than the other, like teams they founded, teams they furthered, captained, lead etc. But NaDa has no sucessor. BaBy? lol Now look at BoxeR, he has iloveoov. Remember Gilette 2004 and 2005, BoxeR could have taken those (OOOH NaDa's got moaar winz!) but there was his protege iloveoov in the way. Really, watch those retro TvT's, they're quite epic (a certain game 4 on Requiem comes to mind...  )Now look, what did Oov + BoxeR do? Watch Batoo 2008 and find out, its called Terrorism, the TERRORIST FANTASY! Has NaDa been able to transfer his skills and knowledge so completely to not just one but a legacy of SK T1 geniuses? Why has SK T1 always been better than Pantech_EX, Wemade_Fox ? | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On November 05 2010 02:42 bITt.mAN wrote: Has NaDa been able to transfer his skills and knowledge so completely to not just one but a legacy of SK T1 geniuses? Why has SK T1 always been better than Pantech_EX, Wemade_Fox ? No one is going to deny that Boxer is a strategic genius, but that argument is very flawed. There are other variables in the way. Maybe Boxer is better at teaching? Maybe Fantasy is more talented than Baby? | ||
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undyinglight
United States611 Posts
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Borknagarush
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On November 05 2010 22:13 undyinglight wrote: SlayerS_BoxeR is by far the greatest player of all time, Nada wouldn't know how to play Terran if BoxeR did not innovate and discover how Terran is to be played. NO, it was Blizzard developers who discovered terran. They are the goats. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
Boxer: Most influential Oov: Most dominant Nada: Most successful Flash: Most skilled player, best terran Savior: Best zerg Bisu: Best protoss Reach+Zergbong: Best Starcraft Duo Ofc, I would much rather say nice things about Stork, Jaedong, and a few other favorites, but alas I can't lie to myself. | ||
Chosi
Germany1306 Posts
 Since the OP was very vague there will be no conclusing - or there will be many. Personally I am happy that there is every single one of the players named here because all of them did a great job for eSports and all of them gave me great moments and nice memories. I dunno if I could pick one, but I don't see a reason nor do I want to. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
If that's not the case, NaDa shouldn't even be CONSIDERED the "most successful/most medals". Oov tops NaDa in success department and so can Boxer AND Flash. Only if you choose to flat out IGNORE all the proleague team games, then yes, NaDa is the most "individualy successful" (even then... not by much...), but what? G.O.A.T? If you include proleague to players achievement (which I think it should OBVIOUSLY be included) then NaDa is nowhere near successful as Boxer, Oov, or Flash. But in terms of who had the most fame and glory, hands down Boxer. ---------------------------------------------------- Boxer = Greatest Player of All Time. (Most Innovative, Most Loved, Most Well Known, Most Success (If including proleague)) NaDa = Not the Most Well-Known (Boxer), Never the most loved/most fans (Boxer), Never the longest peak time (KeSPA Boxer), Never the most creative (Boxer), Never the most dominant (Savior, Oov, Flash), But yes, Greatest INDIVIDUAL Medal Count if you ONLY include Individual tournaments and, of course WCG absolutely cannot be included because then Oov and Boxer will top NaDa too easily. Who care if Oov and Flash had to win Korea WCG tournament to go right? (Jaedong and Flash, 1 short but still active) Of course Flash winning GOM tournament cannot be included as personal success because it cannot be said the same for NaDa. ---------------------------------------------------- If Most Successful means who earned the most money out of SC, again, Boxer. If Most Successful means who has the greatest influence (in game play and outside of game) in E-Sports History, again, Boxer. If Most Successful means who got most girls out of SC, then again, Boxer. IGNORE EVERYTHING AND WITH VERY NARROW-MINDED VIEW then yes NaDa is the Most "SUCCESSFUL", AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, NaDa is somehow translated to be THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME IN E-SPORTS HISTORY. | ||
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