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Flash could be conisdered, even though this is offtopic.. my pizza was just put into the oven so I'm going to gather some data from TLPD.. food for thought.
Flash's overall stats:
Record: 345 wins - 138 losses (71.43%)
Best Streak: 15 wins Worst Streak: 7 losses
Over the past year, 2009-10-26 to 2010-10-26, Flash's stats are:
Record: 136 wins - 41 losses (76.84%)
Best Streak: 15 wins Worst Streak: 3 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Terran:] +
Record: 49 wins - 14 losses (77.78%)
Best Streak: 10 wins Worst Streak: 2 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Zerg:] +
Record: 52 wins - 18 losses (74.29%)
Best Streak: 8 wins Worst Streak: 3 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Protoss:] +
Record: 35 wins - 9 losses (79.55%)
Best Streak: 13 wins Worst Streak: 2 losses
for 2008-2009 (10-26,10-26 to keep it even):
Record: 95 wins - 35 losses (73.08%)
Best Streak: 12 wins Worst Streak: 4 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Terran:] +
Record: 36 wins - 11 losses (76.60%)
Best Streak: 10 wins Worst Streak: 3 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Zerg:] +
Record: 31 wins - 10 losses (75.61%)
Best Streak: 11 wins Worst Streak: 4 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Protoss:] +
Record: 28 wins - 14 losses (66.67%)
Best Streak: 6 wins Worst Streak: 3 losses
for 2007-2008 (03-15 to 10-26, this is a bit longer than a year, but he started in March of 07):
Record: 115 wins - 62 losses (64.97%)
Best Streak: 12 wins Worst Streak: 7 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Terran:] +
Record: 39 wins - 19 losses (67.24%)
Best Streak: 7 wins Worst Streak: 2 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Zerg:] +
Record: 33 wins - 22 losses (60.00%)
Best Streak: 5 wins Worst Streak: 3 losses
+ Show Spoiler [vs Protoss:] +
Record: 43 wins - 21 losses (67.19%)
Best Streak: 12 wins Worst Streak: 5 losses
From this, you can see that Flash has never been below the 60% winrate (TvZ his first year.. facing Jaedong) and usually averages around 71.63% winrate over his entire career. Quite impressive, one would even say dominate (yes, he's lost to Jaedong, Bisu, Stork from time to time, but they've also lost to each other.. notable Stork having a winning record over the other 3 <3 (actually, he's 10-10 vs Jaedong after this latest OSL.. breaking my heart Jaedong..))
It could be said that Stork is dominate among the current S-class players, but dominance should be defined by overall progress.
Now for some Jaedong stats:
Overall:
Record: 380 wins - 176 losses (68.35%)
Best Streak: 13 wins Worst Streak: 4 losses
2009-10-27 to 2010-10-27:
Record: 112 wins - 46 losses (70.89%)
Best Streak: 12 wins Worst Streak: 3 losses
2008-10-27 to 2009-10-27:
Record: 115 wins - 55 losses (67.65%)
Best Streak: 13 wins Worst Streak: 4 losses
2007-10-27 to 2009-10-27:
Record: 89 wins - 40 losses (68.99%)
Best Streak: 13 wins Worst Streak: 4 losses
2006-02-03 to 2007-10-27:
Record: 65 wins - 36 losses (64.36%)
Best Streak: 7 wins Worst Streak: 4 losses
..and my pizza is ready. I would say iloveoov is the greatest of all time, without him we wouldn't have Flash. Without him, the most important aspect of BW, the macro, would not be as impressive. Yes, BoxeR is the most enjoyable player of all, his micro and his skill at the time was most impressive.. but micro isn't everything.
In conclusion, BoxeR auto-vote, naturally. HE is the GOAT.
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If you take into account which race they play, the best player ever is easily Jaedong.
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my interpretation of GOAT is the level of skill of the player at their prime. So if you pit them against each other in their prime, NaDa takes the cake.
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Boxer was my first.
But I don't really care. I'll watch anyone entertaining.
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Goat is a skill measurement imo. Nada wins that one easily.
boxer has more influence but not really close skill wise.
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The problem with Boxer was that he was only good at SOME things. He is what you might call a "speciality player", especially in his micro and TvZ. (hehe poor Yell0w)  Too bad his macro wasn't exactly Oov's 
Nada on the other hand...now that's what I call a very "well-rounded" player, with solid solid solid mechanics and micro that isn't too shabby either...take a look at his SK Terran execution.
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On October 31 2010 16:18 BruceLee6783 wrote:The problem with Boxer was that he was only good at SOME things. He is what you might call a "speciality player", especially in his micro and TvZ. (hehe poor Yell0w) Too bad his macro wasn't exactly Oov's Nada on the other hand...now that's what I call a very "well-rounded" player, with solid solid solid mechanics and micro that isn't too shabby either...take a look at his SK Terran execution.
Its true that boxer was only good at some things, but back when Boxer was considered the best, things like Macro didn't really exist like they do today, and BW was largely a Micro game. BW didn't get Macro oriented till Oov.
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Russian Federation370 Posts
Boxer and Jaedong Starcraft Artist with a lot of unstandart improvisation in game.
Nada, Savior and OOV just good machine with perfect performance, all of them slump after somebody makes good counter to them strategies. I guess Flash will slump too when somebody makes counter to his macro style, like Bisu counter Savior with FE, Savior counter OOV with 3 hatch muta etc.
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Did you see Flash vs ZerO? If that's not building placement innovation I don't know what is.
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In anticipation of Boxer facing Nada again on November 2nd, what was the biggest Boxer vs Nada match ever in BW?
Can somebody please post a youtube video of that Boxer vs Nada match?
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On November 01 2010 06:23 iNoobSoWhat wrote:
Boxer and Jaedong Starcraft Artist with a lot of unstandart improvisation in game.
Nada, Savior and OOV just good machine with perfect performance, all of them slump after somebody makes good counter to them strategies. I guess Flash will slump too when somebody makes counter to his macro style, like Bisu counter Savior with FE, Savior counter OOV with 3 hatch muta etc.
I can't agree with that. Flash is as creative as Jaedong or Boxer. He just use his creativity differently ( no flashy strats). His games evolves faster than anyone could think good counter.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
nada's the GOAT
boxers the BOAT
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On November 01 2010 07:41 Rekrul wrote:
nada's the GOAT
boxers the BOAT
Dunno about BOAT (Boxer of all time- i suppose) that other kid is looking really good.
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On November 01 2010 06:54 ghostnuke1234 wrote:
In anticipation of Boxer facing Nada again on November 2nd, what was the biggest Boxer vs Nada match ever in BW?
Can somebody please post a youtube video of that Boxer vs Nada match?
I have no idea, but here are a list of their games:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/225_BoxeR/games#tblt-4367-1-1-DESC-nada
Yellow Plus (+) means it has a VOD available.
I guess the older the more they were in their prime, but the oldest is from 9-17-2004, so a couple years removed from Boxer in his prime. But Boxer did meet iloveoov in the OSL finals 2 months later, so 2004 Boxer is still a very good Boxer.
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On October 30 2010 12:39 hacklebeast wrote:
I interpert "best" as "most skilled," and I think that boxer had less "skill" than any progamer with 3+ titles.
He was my favorite though. So if "best" is "best to watch," than SlayerS_BoxeR all the way.
FunFact! : Terran was considered the weakest and worst race until BoxeR!(alot of the randoms like ChRh went to Terran)
Boxer isnt called the Emperor because he's less skilled..
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NaDa is the GOAT. But If Flash wins both titles again I will have to drop my fanboyism and admit he is the GOAT. NaDa will still be the GOAT of my heart though (no homo . . . well maybe a little).
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Its like this The Father-The son-and the Holy spirit
NaDa-Flash-boxer respectively.
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BoxeR is Pele
NaDa is Maradona (minus the crack)
and Flash/Jaedong are (insert your modern favorite player here, i.e Messi)
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Nada's the King
Boxer is the Ace
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On October 30 2010 12:26 dani_caliKorea wrote:
Boxer = most influential
Flash= the greatest
Flash= most dominant?
Fixed. I thought about "Flashing" the top one too, but let's be real... The Emperor is the Lord of e-sport.
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EPT
