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I was just debating in a stream chat whether Boxer or Nada is the best BW player ever. I'm going to exclude Flash from this discussion since Flash's BW career is still ongoing and he may win more titles.
Excluding the WCG, Boxer has a combination of 3 MSL/OSL titles. Nada has 6 titles and is still the all time OSL/MSL title leader.
People consider Boxer to be the best though because he was the most innovative during his time period, and he was the first truly dominant BW player. While Nada came after, one can argue that because Nada has 6 titles to Boxer's 3 titles, Nada has had a more successful career than Boxer. Even if you include the WCG in the title count, Nada's 6 titles is still greater than Boxer's 5 titles. However, many consider Boxer to be the "father" of BW Pro Gaming and this cement's Boxer's legacy further.
So, who do you think is the greatest BW player betweent these two?
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Boxer = most influential
Nada = the greatest
Oov = most dominant?
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Nada is the GOAT of Brood War. I don't see how one could debate against this.
+ Show Spoiler +BoxeR is Jesus Christ tho
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Flash destroys them all, however boxer will always be respected as the most influential, and basically the god-father of starcraft. And of course nada is the most successful player of all time imo and according to osl/msl ;] However you're all failing to realize, that Day[9] is obviously the greatest player to ever touch the keyboard and mouse..
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Boxer is definitely a greater person in BW history, but I think NaDa was the better player. Boxer has the fanboys, but NaDa has the fangirls! God they're both still just awesome progamers. <3
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OP, I think a poll is necessary.
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I don't understand how you can't include Flash, it's either him or NaDa and he will probably be the GOAT when it's all set and done.
Between NaDa and Boxer it's NaDa without a doubt.
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I interpert "best" as "most skilled," and I think that boxer had less "skill" than any progamer with 3+ titles.
He was my favorite though. So if "best" is "best to watch," than SlayerS_BoxeR all the way.
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fuck titles. elo measures actual skill.
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yeah, boxers still better looking though.
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NaDa.
Statistically the best player (excluding Flash who is still playing.)
On October 30 2010 12:35 zerious wrote:
I don't understand how you can't include Flash, it's either him or NaDa and he will probably be the GOAT when it's all set and done.
Between NaDa and Boxer it's NaDa without a doubt.
I'm going to exclude Flash from this discussion since Flash's BW career is still ongoing and he may win more titles.
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nada is so much better looking.
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When did the GOAT become having the most titles? Jordan does not have the most NBA championships, Laver does not have the most Grand Slam titles. Warnie does not have the most wickets taken by a spinner.
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Let's put it this way.
Nada's accomplishment CAN be surpassed. Both Jaedong and Flash look ready to break Nada's title count.
Boxer's legacy CAN NOT be surpassed by ANYBODY. He is the father of brood war progaming, the innovator of the Terran race back when it was UP, the ONLY progamer to reach into the hearts of the mainstream, the sole ICON of e-sport, the discoverer of micro play, the founder of TWO (he literally created SKT and was instrumental in the creation of ACE) of the twelve (now ten) pro-gaming teams, the cause behind the creation of the Golden Mouse, involved with the greatest rivalry (Boxer/Yellow) in e-sport history, the oldest progamer alive, etc etc.
Let's face it, who gives a fuck about titles, Nada can't crash the GSL stream, and Flash can't attract 1 million fans just by popping up his face. Only Starcraft gamers know who Nada is, while your Korean parents and their parents in the retirement home can recognize Boxer's face. When everybody's dead and gone, Boxer's name will remain, while the rest will simply be a passing mention in the dusty history book.
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Lee jae dong will dominate everyone in 2011.
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On October 30 2010 12:54 dukethegold wrote:
Let's put it this way.
Nada's accomplishment CAN be surpassed. Both Jaedong and Flash look ready to break Nada's title count.
Boxer's legacy CAN NOT be surpassed by ANYBODY. He is the father of brood war progaming, the innovator of the Terran race back when it was UP, the ONLY progamer to reach into the hearts of the mainstream, the sole ICON of e-sport, the discoverer of micro play, the founder of TWO (he literally created SKT and was instrumental in the creation of ACE) of the twelve (now ten) pro-gaming teams, the cause behind the creation of the Golden Mouse, involved with the greatest rivalry (Boxer/Yellow) in e-sport history, the oldest progamer alive, etc etc.
Let's face it, who gives a fuck about titles, Nada can't crash the GSL stream, and Flash can't attract 1 million fans just by popping up his face. When everybody's dead and gone, Boxer's name will remain, while the rest will simply be a passing mention in the dusty history book.
/clap
Well said, I agree.
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I love the reference to the SL win chart on which Nada's name is spelled incorrectly. Well done.
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Can't argue with the father of e-sports. If NaDa, Flash, Jaedong, Oov, etc. never existed, the BW scene would still be similar to what it is today. If Boxer never existed, e-sports would be dead. None of those guys would have any titles and probably would not even be progamers without Boxer.
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