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Let the fun begin. Activision Blizzard suing MBC - Page 4

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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 23 2010 01:03 GMT
#61
Btw, how sure are we that Actiblizz actually said this?
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
October 23 2010 01:04 GMT
#62
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?
ZoW
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3983 Posts
October 23 2010 01:04 GMT
#63
whatever happens, bw will live on in my heart
the courage to be a lazy bum
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 23 2010 01:05 GMT
#64
On October 23 2010 10:04 Wonders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?

The companies definitely have representatives in kespa, but kespa is actually a distinct entity iirc
Translator:3
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 23 2010 01:06 GMT
#65
On October 23 2010 10:05 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 10:04 Wonders wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?

The companies definitely have representatives in kespa, but kespa is actually a distinct entity iirc


The head of Kespa iirc is the president of SKT.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 23 2010 01:06 GMT
#66
On October 23 2010 10:06 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 10:05 infinitestory wrote:
On October 23 2010 10:04 Wonders wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?

The companies definitely have representatives in kespa, but kespa is actually a distinct entity iirc


The head of Kespa iirc is the president of SKT.

ok that actually makes a lot of sense
Translator:3
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
October 23 2010 01:07 GMT
#67
without BW .. there wont be SC2 .. you just wait fanboys.

think about it. if they can do this shit and win, blizzard can say "now, fuck off" to gretech and control it and then when they have another new title, they'll remove sc2 and force players to play another game.

but i really doubt blizzard will win, seriously. in a korean court? lololol
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Vazze
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden279 Posts
October 23 2010 01:08 GMT
#68
Why is OGN being sued? I thought they negotiated with Gretech for the rights to broadcast?
Jung Myung Hoon and Doh Jae Wook fan!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 23 2010 01:10 GMT
#69
On October 23 2010 10:08 Vazze wrote:
Why is OGN being sued? I thought they negotiated with Gretech for the rights to broadcast?


Yeah the thing is that Gretech probably got what they want but ActivisionBlizzard wants to sue OGN and not Gretech (before it was Gretech) so this is a totally new company. I think ActivisionBlizzard did this cuz they didn't get any gain from the contract or something.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
ionlyplayPROtoss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada573 Posts
October 23 2010 01:13 GMT
#70
Everyone should shit storm on blizz forums for an eternity of our beloved game goes down becuase of this
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
October 23 2010 01:15 GMT
#71
On October 23 2010 10:05 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 10:04 Wonders wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.

Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?

The companies definitely have representatives in kespa, but kespa is actually a distinct entity iirc


Wrong.

Kespa is basically a committee of representatives from Esports sponsoring companies.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
StarSense
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
206 Posts
October 23 2010 01:16 GMT
#72
On October 23 2010 09:46 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:44 teamsolid wrote:
What are the Korean netizen reactions?

On PlayXP they seem to be hoping that Kespa dies

Also, ahaha so many korean legal experts here


PlayXP is an sc2 site. What about Fomos?
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 23 2010 01:17 GMT
#73
On October 23 2010 09:49 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:46 Hrrrrm wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:20 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
.................................................

they never cared before, now suddenly with the release of sc2 they want to bring up these "ip rights" so so sad


I could understand this argument but, then again before SC2, Korean BW leagues really didn't affect Blizzard's revenue. With the release of SC2 sadly now broadcasting of Proleague DIRECTLY affects viewers watching GSL for example. If the people watching Proleague would watch GSL is another argument but, now you basically have one companies products directly competing against each other. While Blizzard could deal with that if they were getting money from BW, since they aren't, they feel their only option is to stop the broadcasting.

I don't blame them and we'll see the fallout.

Except one of the main reasons why sponsors see potential in SC2 is because of Korean BW success?


That's the whole fucking point. The korean scene is what made a very good game, legendary and epic. What the korean pro scene did is basically free advertising... No company would have sponsored a 80kUSD tournament if it didn't have some potential... If SC2 is developing that fast and get that many sponsors, it's mainly thanks to the history of BW.


Blizzard, please show some gratitude instead of sueing people because you want to hijack their broadcasting schedule. The mere fact their are afraid that PL watchers won't switch to GSL is admitting that SC2 is not interesting to watch. They got millions of people playing the game, a very huge cash prize, and still afraid of Proleague haha. I can't even imagine the situation if they weren't so lucky that Boxer and Nada gave them some more free advertisement.

On October 23 2010 09:45 Meriones wrote:
Developers automatically owning any esports league/esports player/esports broadcasting rights through IP laws/ELUA is the death of esports.


This is a good point too. If MBC is saying the truth when they say they are break even broadcasting BW, I think it's gonna be impossible for new esport TV channel to emerge if they have to pay broadcasting fees.
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Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
October 23 2010 01:17 GMT
#74
On October 23 2010 10:05 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 10:04 Wonders wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


Someone more knowledgeable please correct me if I'm mistaken, but does KeSPA not consist precisely of the companies that are sponsoring the pros teams?

The companies definitely have representatives in kespa, but kespa is actually a distinct entity iirc


Yes I know that, but my understanding was that there's nothing apart from those companies. I remember reading in a Milkis thread somewhere that their board of directors consisted entirely of those representatives.
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
October 23 2010 01:19 GMT
#75
god, i just wish SC1 and SC2 can coexist.
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
milikan
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States67 Posts
October 23 2010 01:19 GMT
#76
I think that BW is already in quite a sorry state. From what I've heard, a lot of B-teamers, coaches, and big name players have already left. One of the teams was disbanded! BW seems to be crawling on its last legs right now. I don't know if it would be nicer to give a mercy killing in from Blizzard's axe of legal action, or if I should watch it keep struggling on until it finally dies.

In my mind, I have no doubt that professional BW is going to end, and end soon. It might even be argued that the age of wildly famous BW progamers and large prize pools are over. I would like to see the turn out for the finals of the OSL/MSL (will there even be one? I've heard talks about a Korean Air OSL 3, but who knows?), but I'm pretty sure BW is going down.

I love BW with all my heart, and it hurts to see the thin crowds at the proleague matches. It looks like its game over, though.
PandaPolice
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia86 Posts
October 23 2010 01:19 GMT
#77
People seems to have forgotten the articles a few weeks before, stating even in KeSPA, there are factions disagreeing with each other. My opinion is whoever controls how KeSPA moves now is causing all these troubles.

KeSPA won't be totally destroyed even if they lose. KeSPA will dissolve, the factions who probably supports Blizzard will break off and form another organisation since the potential/infrastructure of BW is still there. This new organisation gets Blizzard's support, teams gets transfer over, and the leagues can start again.

While I don't think Blizzard is entirely in the right, the move to broadcast even without permission is really disrespectful, not only ignoring Blizzard as the creator of said product, but also disregard Intellectual Property Law and all entities protected by it.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 23 2010 01:19 GMT
#78
On October 23 2010 10:19 vectorix108 wrote:
god, i just wish SC1 and SC2 can coexist.

The weird thing is, by all estimates except Blizzard's, they can.
Translator:3
toadstool
Profile Joined May 2006
Australia421 Posts
October 23 2010 01:20 GMT
#79
On October 23 2010 09:48 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:44 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
I'm laughing at the people who think the death of BW, will be the death of E-sports.


Unless Blizzard goes on and sponsors the players in GSL, e-Sport is over. And Koreans progamers will probably lose all their jobs and thousands of people will lose jobs. Korea will probably ban all Blizzard's product this way.



And then Koreans will starve, and World War 3 will happen. On the Korean Peninsula.


It all makes sense.
NEWB?!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 23 2010 01:21 GMT
#80
The only way I will support Blizzard is that they would sponsor Stork, Jaedong, Flash, bisu and all the other players that we love with the same salary they had. But you know that's kinda of impossible to be able to keep up with the sponsors of a league and its players just by having WoW, they will lose money this way.
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