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Meriones
Profile Joined October 2010
43 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 00:47:58
October 23 2010 00:47 GMT
#41
Korean BW leagues gave Blizzard 250 million of game sales. That's half of all the sales they made. It is this free advertising they are sueing now. One in every 10 Koreans owns a copy of SC BW. But Koreans pirate too much, so they get sued..
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 23 2010 00:48 GMT
#42
On October 23 2010 09:44 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
I'm laughing at the people who think the death of BW, will be the death of E-sports.


Unless Blizzard goes on and sponsors the players in GSL, e-Sport is over. And Koreans progamers will probably lose all their jobs and thousands of people will lose jobs. Korea will probably ban all Blizzard's product this way.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 00:49:14
October 23 2010 00:48 GMT
#43
On October 23 2010 09:47 Meriones wrote:
Korean BW leagues gave Blizzard 250 million of game sales. That's half of all the sales they made. It is this free advertising they are sueing now. One in every 10 Koreans owns a copy of SC BW. But Koreans pirate too much, so they get sued..


Those game sales barely mean anything when they have WoW profits, what Blizzard really wants is a chunk of the E-Sports scene.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
October 23 2010 00:49 GMT
#44
On October 23 2010 09:46 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:20 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
.................................................

they never cared before, now suddenly with the release of sc2 they want to bring up these "ip rights" so so sad


I could understand this argument but, then again before SC2, Korean BW leagues really didn't affect Blizzard's revenue. With the release of SC2 sadly now broadcasting of Proleague DIRECTLY affects viewers watching GSL for example. If the people watching Proleague would watch GSL is another argument but, now you basically have one companies products directly competing against each other. While Blizzard could deal with that if they were getting money from BW, since they aren't, they feel their only option is to stop the broadcasting.

I don't blame them and we'll see the fallout.

Except one of the main reasons why sponsors see potential in SC2 is because of Korean BW success?

If the BW scene is prematurely destroyed, then people involved in the SC2 scene need to really take some time to consider what Blizzard will do once it feels it cannot profit from SC2 anymore. Especially since Blizzard won't need to go through the slow court process to shut down SC2.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Noxide
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2870 Posts
October 23 2010 00:50 GMT
#45
Reading the thread on that neogaf site was hilarious.
So many misinformed people it's not even funny.

Liquibetting MBC on this one.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
October 23 2010 00:51 GMT
#46
On October 23 2010 09:46 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:44 teamsolid wrote:
What are the Korean netizen reactions?

On PlayXP they seem to be hoping that Kespa dies

Also, ahaha so many korean legal experts here

playxp is definitely in my experience more sc2-focused so that's not very surprising tbh
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
October 23 2010 00:52 GMT
#47
If it wasn't known before, it is now. ActiBlizzard is the enemy here. Gretech even agreed to conduct negotiations.
MBC fighting.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
BigBadSkathe
Profile Joined September 2009
United States234 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 00:54:32
October 23 2010 00:53 GMT
#48
On October 23 2010 09:46 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:44 teamsolid wrote:
What are the Korean netizen reactions?

On PlayXP they seem to be hoping that Kespa dies


I feel like this is the general consensus even on TL among people who don't just blindly hate Blizzard because they're owned by Activision or w/e.

If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.
Hey.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 00:54:09
October 23 2010 00:53 GMT
#49
Fuck you Blizzard

edit: oh wait it's ACTIVISION Blizzard
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
carebear91
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore236 Posts
October 23 2010 00:53 GMT
#50
greed for money has got blizzard to where it is and what it's doing now. why am i not surprised?
leakingpear
Profile Joined March 2006
United Kingdom302 Posts
October 23 2010 00:53 GMT
#51
I just wish for one of these threads people would stop with the emotionally driven bullshitting where they clearly aren't aware of all the facts (as if any of us are) yet are 100% sure that they're in the right and that KeSPA/Blizzard/Uganda are more evil than a hackneyed villain from some bizarre james bond fan fiction site.

That said FUCK BLIZZARD THEY ATE MY CHILDREN WHILE KESPA RAPED MY EAR
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
October 23 2010 00:53 GMT
#52
On October 23 2010 09:49 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:46 Hrrrrm wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:20 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
.................................................

they never cared before, now suddenly with the release of sc2 they want to bring up these "ip rights" so so sad


I could understand this argument but, then again before SC2, Korean BW leagues really didn't affect Blizzard's revenue. With the release of SC2 sadly now broadcasting of Proleague DIRECTLY affects viewers watching GSL for example. If the people watching Proleague would watch GSL is another argument but, now you basically have one companies products directly competing against each other. While Blizzard could deal with that if they were getting money from BW, since they aren't, they feel their only option is to stop the broadcasting.

I don't blame them and we'll see the fallout.

Except one of the main reasons why sponsors see potential in SC2 is because of Korean BW success?

If the BW scene is prematurely destroyed, then people involved in the SC2 scene need to really take some time to consider what Blizzard will do once it feels it cannot profit from SC2 anymore. Especially since Blizzard won't need to go through the slow court process to shut down SC2.

Seeing the mindless agreement of the majority of SC2 fans to whatever Blizzard is doing (except for balance and chat channels, of course), I don't see that as a surfacing concern until it is too late.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
October 23 2010 00:57 GMT
#53
On October 23 2010 09:53 BigBadSkathe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:46 syllogism wrote:
On October 23 2010 09:44 teamsolid wrote:
What are the Korean netizen reactions?

On PlayXP they seem to be hoping that Kespa dies


I feel like this is the general consensus even on TL among people who don't just blindly hate Blizzard because they're owned by Activision or w/e.

If this lawsuit leads to the downfall of KeSPA I'm all for it. BW can and will survive without them. Every time a new detail comes out about KeSPA's actions it just makes them look less and less professional, and more and more like slime ball capitalists who could care less about the hard work that was put into making the game they make their living off of. Sure they did a lot for esports at a time when Korea needed a distraction, but a little humility would go a long way. Without Blizzard, BW wouldn't exist, and somehow they want to pretend they don't owe their livelihoods to that company.


If Kespa dies, BW DEFINITELY CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT IT!
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
October 23 2010 00:58 GMT
#54
On October 23 2010 09:41 wishbones wrote:
with 2 weeks worth of profit from wow, they will win the trial. lol


Wow, you're an idiot.

Go look up the word "Chaebol."

Then, go look up how many of them sponsor Proleague teams.

"WoW profits" aint shit.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Meriones
Profile Joined October 2010
43 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 01:00:44
October 23 2010 00:58 GMT
#55
People's blind hate for Kespa has to stop. It's a disgrace to see people in a SC BW forum say that. For 8 years we in the west watched with amazement what Korea was doing. Don't forget where they come from. They were basically a third world country before the Korean war, which spit the country and destroyed it.
Now they are world leaders in esports thanks to their government, corporations and professional teams. They together form Kespa.

We have laughed and ridiculed Blizzard and WCG all these years for being clueless how to run a tournament. We even laughed at Gretech and their money begging.

But now suddenly Kespa is unprofessional? People need to get a grip.


And all this time the only real bad thing Kespa has ever done was enforce a rule that wasn't a very good one. But hey, if you have it, you need to enforce it. And it was changed right away. Yeah, what a failure Kespa is.

Also, there's no money in esports. Only advertising. And Blizzard got the best advertising but now they are ruining it by the backlash they will get from this case.
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 23 2010 00:59 GMT
#56
i read the neoGAF forums (where the OP got the article), and wow they are all for Blizzard and GOM and yet they don't want the individual leagues to go. i'm glad TL is a bastion of logic

To those saying Blizzard is autowin ezmode because it's their game, the crux of the case (to my knowledge, which may be incomplete) isn't who owns the game. It's who owns the matches played on the game. Blizz and Kespa are fighting over the right to broadcast the matches played, not ownership of the software. Kespa does have a very legitimate argument that broadcasting should be free, namely that the games are the creative work of the players and that Starcraft is just a medium for expression.
Or so I think.

On October 23 2010 09:44 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
I'm laughing at the people who think the death of BW, will be the death of E-sports.

I'm laughing at the people who think SC2 is completely ready to take over from BW. BW is the first eSport that has truly taken hold in a culture and become accepted. Right now, SC2 might be big in Korea, but it's not yet ubiquitous. At the moment, if BW dies, then eSports will suffer greatly.
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xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
October 23 2010 01:00 GMT
#57
GOGOGO

MBC FIGHTINGGG
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
October 23 2010 01:01 GMT
#58
On October 23 2010 09:59 infinitestory wrote:
i read the neoGAF forums (where the OP got the article), and wow they are all for Blizzard and GOM and yet they don't want the individual leagues to go. i'm glad TL is a bastion of logic

To those saying Blizzard is autowin ezmode because it's their game, the crux of the case (to my knowledge, which may be incomplete) isn't who owns the game. It's who owns the matches played on the game. Blizz and Kespa are fighting over the right to broadcast the matches played, not ownership of the software. Kespa does have a very legitimate argument that broadcasting should be free, namely that the games are the creative work of the players and that Starcraft is just a medium for expression.
Or so I think.

Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:44 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
I'm laughing at the people who think the death of BW, will be the death of E-sports.

I'm laughing at the people who think SC2 is completely ready to take over from BW. BW is the first eSport that has truly taken hold in a culture and become accepted. Right now, SC2 might be big in Korea, but it's not yet ubiquitous. At the moment, if BW dies, then eSports will suffer greatly.


It'd be interesting what the results of this case will do to WIPO and international law.
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Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 01:04:33
October 23 2010 01:02 GMT
#59
On October 23 2010 09:40 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 09:22 Rain... wrote:
wow...-_- they are essentially suing the entire korean starcraft community.. good luck with that Blizzard

oh and thanks Blizzard for trying to kill all our favorite game


Funny thing is, blizzard will probably win.

I wouldn't be so sure. International IP isn't that cut and dry, and this case in particular is pretty iffy.

I mean, yeah, Blizzard made the game, but does that mean they have ownership of the esport itself? Bear in mind that they've also let BW broadcast on TV for years. They've had plenty of time to make their move. This case could go either way, imo. Still sucks though.

On October 23 2010 09:44 StatiC)Ex( wrote:
I'm laughing at the people who think the death of BW, will be the death of E-sports.

BW is the only game being broadcast on TV right now. Everything else is small fries in comparison. The death of BW might not mean the end of esports as a whole, but it'll sure be a damn big blow.
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Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
October 23 2010 01:02 GMT
#60
Didn't the CEO of MBC say they got the rights to broadcast Proleague from a smaller Blizzard partner company? That being true I don't see how Blizzard suing will hold any water.
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