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On November 02 2010 18:53 darmousseh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 18:47 infinity2k9 wrote:On November 01 2010 16:38 ffreakk wrote:
Domovoi, why dont you start by figuring out how revenue is generated at all in SC:BW proscene, rather than randomly speculating that parties involve can earn big bucks etc.. Just a reminder, VoDs + Streams + live seatings are all free.. You ll be hard-pressed to find revenue anywhere at all outside of whatever they could charge the broadcasting stations.. However its rather easy to see that a fair bit of money is needed for organising all their tournaments.. Profit (aka what will go to their exec's salary) is revenue - cost.. So go figure..
@ mrdx
Funny, Blizzard is also singing " for the future of e-Sport " .. And unlike Kespa who actually set up a scene and got things going nicely for 10 years, all Blizz did was making games n selling them, contributing essentially nothing to said scene in said 10 years.. How is it that in your rage you blame Kespa for everything and Blizz for none?
Blizz:
+ Contribute nothing to the scene (outside of selling said game)
+ Earned money (Korea bought half the number of copies of SC:BW aka best-selling RTS of all time)
+ Free advertisement for 10 years.. More advertisements to come if SC2 solidify its position as an e-Sport title.
Kespa:
- Keep the scene running for 10 years.. Even when they are running a deficit (according to their reports).
Whos the one who should give in more?
That said, im biting my nails in hope for SC:BW to take it home. Go MBC!! *pray* Also thanks for this post it nicely sums up what i keep saying but people just KEEP ignoring. Hopefully it can count somewhat in court. The awesome thing about the law is that none of this matters. All that matters is that blizzard owns the IP and that MBC and OGN are not respecting that. The law is not emotional nor philosophical, it is only meant to protect entities from other entities and place judgement accordingly. It is very true that SCBW would probably be no where as big today without mbc and ogn, but sc2 would still have come out. What if these companies try to organize tournaments for sc2? Blizzard is not out to make a profit or ruin scbw, they are there to make sure that they can invest in korean esports without being stabbed in the back by the government. This is more of a test for that than anything else.
The law isn't black and white and Blizzard cannot just make the rights they feel like as well you know. The Starcraft 2 EULA had to be changed in Korea because it was unreasonable, what makes you think the same will not be decided here? IP rights do not override everything. There is reasonable use and this certainly could be considered reasonable use especially if it benefited Blizzard, then how would it not be reasonble. Of course a Judge will take these elements into account when making a decision. Otherwise why would MBC and KeSPA even go to court if immediately it would be decided IP rights override everything and Judge favours Blizzard automatically?
It could be considered the entity is Korean eSports that needs to be protected here, and it could it be decided that for eSports to be legitimate there has to be some leeway regarding IP rights. We just don't know, thats why theres a court case. Unless you know of a court case that is even remotely like this, then this is unprecedented and we cannot assume an outcome at all based on IP rights. As people seem to keep ignoring MBC already paid Hanabit (who is i believe was the Korean wing of Blizzard you could say) many years ago for broadcasting rights anyway. So how will that play into things as well, are they just going to claim it was invalid or that they have the ability to re-decide rights many years later? Not even someone experienced with law can tell you what will happen here only make guesses.
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On October 28 2010 06:58 Woosung wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2010 06:26 moopie wrote:On October 28 2010 06:22 parkin wrote:
KeSPA did forbid bw teams and players to participate in gomtv bw tournaments. Thats hindering competion in my opinion. Uhh... those are KeSPA's teams and players. GOM could have set up tournaments with their own players/teams (if they had any) or just an open tournament a la GSL where they have prelims open to the public. They wanted to use KeSPA teams and players, and some of the teams later pulled out in Season 3, there's nothing wrong with that. And no KeSPA never did that. KeSPA only stated that they wouldn't get any KeSPA rank gains from participating in GOM since it wasn't a tournament ruled by KeSPA, which is pretty logical when you think about it. Hence the players placed GOM at the bottom of their prio list and as a result, the teams started telling their players not to waste time on that tournament since they had better stuff to practice for (PL/OSL/MSL). Edit: GOM = individual STX Masters for the KeSPA teams. The main difference being it's played during OSL/MSL seasons.
At last someone with sense...gosh I wish more people knew about this instead of blatantly saying how KESPA stopped GOM leagues.
Did anyone even think about how GOM managed 3 tourneys if KESPA was fully against their league and using all their players?
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
And in final of one of them Jaedong 3-0'ed Flash ^___^
Maybe JD should rewatch that game to gain more confidence and return to his time of dominance ^__^
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[QUOTE]On November 01 2010 16:38 ffreakk wrote:
Funny, Blizzard is also singing " for the future of e-Sport " .. And unlike Kespa who actually set up a scene and got things going nicely for 10 years, all Blizz did was making games n selling them, contributing essentially nothing to said scene in said 10 years.. /QUOTE]
yea except for the actual game the entire scene is based around
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
lol, but what KeSPA and players did is definitely more 
that's what the author of that post was pointing at...
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On November 03 2010 05:17 _Quasar_ wrote:lol, but what KeSPA and players did is definitely more that's what the author of that post was pointing at...
I think u understimate the effort that u need to put into making a game.
Also he`s right no game = no eSport, this should be clear
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On November 03 2010 00:03 mia-X17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 16:38 ffreakk wrote:
Funny, Blizzard is also singing " for the future of e-Sport " .. And unlike Kespa who actually set up a scene and got things going nicely for 10 years, all Blizz did was making games n selling them, contributing essentially nothing to said scene in said 10 years.. yea except for the actual game the entire scene is based around
Of course the game was good thats why they raked in big money for it.. Best-selling RTS of all time, isnt that the biggest reward any game developers hope for?.. Didnt they get 10 years worth of advertisement for it too?..
Many analogies has been made before so i wont attempt to make another (probably bad) one.. But Blizz, as the game developer, should stick to making games and getting paid.. While organisations like KespA should pay them for their games, and take charge of organising events.. Thats how it worked so far, and it worked out well..
I dont have a problem with Blizz joining in on e-Sports, but imo they should prove themselves first then hope to overtake others, rather than trying to kill off competitions first, and then hope that they can build something over their bloodied remnants.
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On November 02 2010 19:18 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 15:41 Reason wrote:
I can't help but feel that without the Koreans Starcraft Broodwar would never have become what it is....
They should really be thanking these people instead of suing them but I guess that's business?
Anyway Boxer and Nada go to hell lol? Get some therapy or an education because that's an absurd thing to say and you didn't sound like you were joking either. Because they don't do anything now. I know who they are lol. I know they're legends. But why the hell dont they say anything to support BW. Not even a little. I guess they just took prize money and keep silent? If it's true, then i officially send them both far away and won't ever support anyone of them (although TBH i was going to watch Boxer/Nada, but that bullshit completely freed me from that intention).
You sound so much like a pathetic SC2 hater it's ridiculous. And KESPA took away their records anyway, so they're no longer BW legends, am I right?
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On November 09 2010 17:57 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 19:18 _Quasar_ wrote:On November 02 2010 15:41 Reason wrote:
I can't help but feel that without the Koreans Starcraft Broodwar would never have become what it is....
They should really be thanking these people instead of suing them but I guess that's business?
Anyway Boxer and Nada go to hell lol? Get some therapy or an education because that's an absurd thing to say and you didn't sound like you were joking either. Because they don't do anything now. I know who they are lol. I know they're legends. But why the hell dont they say anything to support BW. Not even a little. I guess they just took prize money and keep silent? If it's true, then i officially send them both far away and won't ever support anyone of them (although TBH i was going to watch Boxer/Nada, but that bullshit completely freed me from that intention). You sound so much like a pathetic SC2 hater it's ridiculous. And KESPA took away their records anyway, so they're no longer BW legends, am I right?
No you are not right.
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On November 09 2010 17:57 toadstool wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 19:18 _Quasar_ wrote:On November 02 2010 15:41 Reason wrote:
I can't help but feel that without the Koreans Starcraft Broodwar would never have become what it is....
They should really be thanking these people instead of suing them but I guess that's business?
Anyway Boxer and Nada go to hell lol? Get some therapy or an education because that's an absurd thing to say and you didn't sound like you were joking either. Because they don't do anything now. I know who they are lol. I know they're legends. But why the hell dont they say anything to support BW. Not even a little. I guess they just took prize money and keep silent? If it's true, then i officially send them both far away and won't ever support anyone of them (although TBH i was going to watch Boxer/Nada, but that bullshit completely freed me from that intention). You sound so much like a pathetic SC2 hater it's ridiculous. And KESPA took away their records anyway, so they're no longer BW legends, am I right?
Did kespa take boxers record away too?
Ofcourse you're not right. They will always be bw legends whatever kespa does. I don't mind the older pros who are no longer competitive in bw switching over to sc2, as long as the really good players stay in bw.
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Should we get a liquidbet for this? Or are we not in the mood for it yet?
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