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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
They should really be thanking these people instead of suing them but I guess that's business? Anyway Boxer and Nada go to hell lol? Get some therapy or an education because that's an absurd thing to say and you didn't sound like you were joking either. | ||
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jaesung
124 Posts
MBC gets money from its ad.. not the sponsor from tournament but the ads from start and end of the TV series.(considering "KeSPA is just organization behind teams and sponsors.") Although, why blizzard is asking for money NOW?(2007... after so many years of SC/Tournament) if any, they should be giving salaries to boxer and yellow for advertising their game.. even MBC/OGN for promoting their game. WC1 and Diablo1? such shitty titles.. there were tons of better games(jrpg, c&c, fire arm, dunes.. etc) If it werent so popular in Korea ever since PC Cafe era.. I could imagine.. they would never be heard of. Now they want money because they are well-known? Is this why Blizzard released first SC2 demo in Korea worldwide? =/ | ||
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IamAnton
Canada328 Posts
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rasers
Sweden673 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 02 2010 16:02 IamAnton wrote: kespa was never about korean esports but just kespa controlled esports. take a look at what they did to gomtvs classic... Hope kespa goes down personally, nice to see them on the opposite end of the stick rather then always trying to shutdown every1/any1 they cant control 100%. Try reading the topic for christs sake, do we need more uneducated opinions in here | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 01 2010 16:38 ffreakk wrote: Domovoi, why dont you start by figuring out how revenue is generated at all in SC:BW proscene, rather than randomly speculating that parties involve can earn big bucks etc.. Just a reminder, VoDs + Streams + live seatings are all free.. You ll be hard-pressed to find revenue anywhere at all outside of whatever they could charge the broadcasting stations.. However its rather easy to see that a fair bit of money is needed for organising all their tournaments.. Profit (aka what will go to their exec's salary) is revenue - cost.. So go figure.. @ mrdx Funny, Blizzard is also singing " for the future of e-Sport " .. And unlike Kespa who actually set up a scene and got things going nicely for 10 years, all Blizz did was making games n selling them, contributing essentially nothing to said scene in said 10 years.. How is it that in your rage you blame Kespa for everything and Blizz for none? Blizz: + Contribute nothing to the scene (outside of selling said game) + Earned money (Korea bought half the number of copies of SC:BW aka best-selling RTS of all time) + Free advertisement for 10 years.. More advertisements to come if SC2 solidify its position as an e-Sport title. Kespa: - Keep the scene running for 10 years.. Even when they are running a deficit (according to their reports). Whos the one who should give in more? That said, im biting my nails in hope for SC:BW to take it home. Go MBC!! *pray* Also thanks for this post it nicely sums up what i keep saying but people just KEEP ignoring. Hopefully it can count somewhat in court. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3427 Posts
On November 02 2010 18:47 infinity2k9 wrote: Also thanks for this post it nicely sums up what i keep saying but people just KEEP ignoring. Hopefully it can count somewhat in court. The awesome thing about the law is that none of this matters. All that matters is that blizzard owns the IP and that MBC and OGN are not respecting that. The law is not emotional nor philosophical, it is only meant to protect entities from other entities and place judgement accordingly. It is very true that SCBW would probably be no where as big today without mbc and ogn, but sc2 would still have come out. What if these companies try to organize tournaments for sc2? Blizzard is not out to make a profit or ruin scbw, they are there to make sure that they can invest in korean esports without being stabbed in the back by the government. This is more of a test for that than anything else. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia6925 Posts
Try again. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4404 Posts
On November 02 2010 15:41 Reason wrote: I can't help but feel that without the Koreans Starcraft Broodwar would never have become what it is.... They should really be thanking these people instead of suing them but I guess that's business? Anyway Boxer and Nada go to hell lol? Get some therapy or an education because that's an absurd thing to say and you didn't sound like you were joking either. Because they don't do anything now. I know who they are lol. I know they're legends. But why the hell dont they say anything to support BW. Not even a little. I guess they just took prize money and keep silent? If it's true, then i officially send them both far away and won't ever support anyone of them (although TBH i was going to watch Boxer/Nada, but that bullshit completely freed me from that intention). About "thats business". I know, but I guess they're not hungry or without roof above their heads. And if so, they shouldn't surpass human morale. iIf they do so, we have absolute moral right to call them dicks. I too can't help thinking the same mate.  They SHOULD thank them instead of suing. And MBC too yes. No advertisement is similar in terms of efficience to showing game on TELEVISION. | ||
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Tirr
Russian Federation122 Posts
On November 02 2010 14:42 _Quasar_ wrote: Go to hell Blizzard with your SC2. You arrogant liars, because koreans didn't steal anything from you, but instead gave SC1 his popularity and thus brought you your precious profit. And Boxer / Nada go to hell too, for not doing anything to it (read: to e-sports that you've been creating yourselves). I am sorry you live in my country. Looks like you are not having a lot of intellect or you may just be sick | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom958 Posts
On October 23 2010 09:20 Ares[EffOrt] wrote: ................................................. they never cared before, now suddenly with the release of sc2 they want to bring up these "ip rights" so so sad Not entirely true. | ||
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Yosho
585 Posts
On November 02 2010 19:18 _Quasar_ wrote: Because they don't do anything now. I know who they are lol. I know they're legends. But why the hell dont they say anything to support BW. Not even a little. I guess they just took prize money and keep silent? If it's true, then i officially send them both far away and won't ever support anyone of them (although TBH i was going to watch Boxer/Nada, but that bullshit completely freed me from that intention). About "thats business". I know, but I guess they're not hungry or without roof above their heads. And if so, they shouldn't surpass human morale. iIf they do so, we have absolute moral right to call them dicks. I too can't help thinking the same mate. They SHOULD thank them instead of suing. And MBC too yes. No advertisement is similar in terms of efficience to showing game on TELEVISION.SC2 is good, kespa is greedy, it's blizzards company and game. Going without food or not it really is BUSINESS. Welcome to the world! I side with blizzard You don't buy battle.net, you buy the ability to play. All characters - accounts. Lan, other server, or otherwise is all property of blizzard. You can't just take something and say. "since i made you popular it's mine". Starcraft 1 and 2 is blizzards. No matter what you feel your opinion is or how you feel it's immoral for them to do what they do I say: Your opinion is irrelevant, Kespa is wrong, It is blizzards legal property, No matter how much you type and complain and argue the points above are still true. And nada, boxer are starcraft 1 legends. They aren't mass political leaders... leave them alone. They aren't sc2 versions of oprah who has an opinion about anything and everything. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4822 Posts
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kickinhead
Switzerland2066 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4404 Posts
SC2 is good, kespa is greedy, it's blizzards company and game. Going without food or not it really is BUSINESS. Welcome to the world! I side with blizzard Humanity is always relevant I think. They can't just go against people who earned them money and popularity. It is simply unfair. Yes in terms of legal rights they're right, but generally they are wrong. They're doing pretty unfair, and I think anyone must know it, so they don't side with them. SC2 is worse and won't make the Legends appear, as has SC1. This game will only last as long as Blizzard "promotes" it. It's worse in terms of e-sportive sense, and do not bother with all these "look at millions playing it" bullshits. We'll see how many will play it after Blizzard finishes spending money on promoting it. And still, I think, it will not have such popularity as BW. Still BW has more people playing/played it. For example, breaking a friendship is perfectly legal in terms of law, but is it really honorable or good? I wish someone does something really bad and backstabbing to you so you change your opinion (or better, you do change before that so that doesn't happen). This is a backstab against korean proscene. And it's not right by any possible means. Since that, I don't believe any Blizz's talks about that "they care of something". It could easily be all lie, as they've been lieing all along, why believe them again. -__- And nada, boxer are starcraft 1 legends. They aren't mass political leaders... leave them alone. They aren't sc2 versions of oprah who has an opinion about anything and everything. I do leave them. =\ I don't want to support them anymore. ------ I am sorry you live in my country. Looks like you are not having a lot of intellect or you may just be sick Lololol, fat troll is so fat. Your post definitely shows a lot of intellect lol. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES46437 Posts
On November 02 2010 19:56 slimshady wrote: Any update so far? well right now its like Blizzard says we're suing you to MBCgame but we'll keep trying to negotiate while we're at it. @_Quasar_ dude do you hate BoxeR and NaDa for switching to sc2?Do you feel betrayed? They decided to move to,SC2 on their own,no strings attached. SC2 is fun to play and watch...but its success should not depend on the destruction of BW..of which u are certain of.Read this blog post please BLOG! | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4404 Posts
1)I'm quite unsure that anything except this would make me watch SC2 or buy it (as i bought sc1 and wc3), cause BroodWar is perfect. It doesn't need updates or "glitter" (except, maybe, update in network protocols). 2)I don't want to support Boxer and Nada anymore since they just watch at SC:BW scene being backstabbed by ActiBlizz and do nothing. Boxer must be like protector god of SCBW in anyone's eyes, and if he does nothing - he loses his divine shine around him. Step by step but he does. Anyone like him would do. 3)I don't assume death of BroodWar, I want it to live on and on. If it does die it must be only by players' decision and not with "help" of Blizzard itself - only then you can certainly say SC2 is a better game. I'm certain that SC2 won't reach the level SC1 did reach (I might be, theoretically, wrong but I don't give it much probability). 4) If BroodWar's "corpse" is the price that we must pay for SC2 to reach higher status - I think it's unfair price and Blizzard is mean and full of lies. They go to the hell, then. That's basically all. ----- edit: Thanks for the link to your blog, I'm reading it now. BTW, how can we really make our "support" go to be seen really by the players?  I'd like to. For example to support Jaedong and tell him that he rocks and must become a Bonjwa. :D Please answer in comments to your post that you linked here ))) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES46437 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4404 Posts
corrected. | ||
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mprs
Canada2929 Posts
On November 02 2010 18:47 infinity2k9 wrote: Also thanks for this post it nicely sums up what i keep saying but people just KEEP ignoring. Hopefully it can count somewhat in court. 1) Write cons for Blizzard 2) Write pros for Kespa 3) Make conclusions 4) .... 5) Win argument | ||
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