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On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business.
Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa.
Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft.
They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties.
Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work.
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Remember remember the fifth of november.
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Does it even matter who "wins" at this point? Who is going to sponsor the MSL when they could get sued off the air...
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proleague going underground!
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On October 23 2010 13:33 butter wrote:
Does it even matter who "wins" at this point? Who is going to sponsor the MSL when they could get sued off the air...
I believe they are being sued for broadcasting Proleague as there hasn't been any news of a new MSL as far as I know.
(Proleague air times conflict with GSL)
Blizzard is really serious about killing what remains of BW it seems... I've never seen a company act this hostile against their own product before.
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On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work.
Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even.
And while it's been stated KeSPA bought rights from HanBitSoft, they were just the distributor. Like how Capcom distributes GTA games in Japan, they have no right to do with whatever they want concerning the IP itself, they're just the ones that translate it, and sale to the stores to retail.
Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is. Take Blip TV:
http://blip.tv/faq/content/
From the content restrictions:
It is also our policy not to accept videogame screen recordings.
So as it stands it's sketchy when it comes to broadcasting copyright content from videogames.
Maybe commentators can throw their 2 cents into the ring, seeing as they freely upload casts, they know more than us.
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Guess I deserved that warning.  Fine, let me rephrase myself; watch the replay between Flash and JD on Tau Cross and then consider the fact that Blizzard are now actively trying to make sure we get to see no more of that. Goddamnit, this is so fucking sad.  I really hope that Blizzard loses this. Well, back to boycotting Blizzard/Gretech again I guess.
BW hwaiting!
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On October 23 2010 13:26 vek wrote:MBC has to win... with the massive fails at blizzcon today Blizzard pretty much proved they don't give a shit about esports. + Show Spoiler +If Blizzard succeed with this lawsuit.. I will throw my SC2 CE in the bin.
The blizzard stream that they wanted you to use (read: not the flash stream) worked 100% the entire time. Only the Flash stream crashed.
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So much trash in this thread now that the dregs of TL have joined in.
Forbidding the players in your league from participating in competing shows is normal. While most north american sports now consist of monopolies, those who follow, say, combat sports will encounter such arrangements regularly.
Anyways, I'll make one prediction here which I'll revisit. Ongamenet won't be sued. It would be pretty idiotic for CJ to allow something with still unproven long term prospects disrupt one of the successful cable channels, since pro BW and other BW related shows make up a huge chunk of OGN's programming. As time passed with Gretech (partially owned by CJ, for those not in the know) making deals with OGN (also partially owned by CJ) but not MBC, it began to look more and more like CJ group was trying to not only control SC2 in Korea, but BW as well. I actually had a huge rant written against CJ/OGN/Gretech about this but I can't be bothered to finish it since I need to go back and again find the precise sources I wanted to cite as evidence. But two other dirty moves by them include keeping the coach who was involved in match-fixing as an "advisor" on hite entus - plus supposedly not offering Effort a decent salary to keep him playing.
Or...if Blizzard no longer plays by CJ's playbook and does sue OGN, Gretech's operations will definitely change, since CJ will definitely not want to give up OGN's success for Gretech.
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On October 23 2010 13:39 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
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Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.
KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work. Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even. ... Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is.
Your ability to in one post say the law is clearly on Blizzards side, and in another say that copyright law for videogames isn't fully developed enough to reach clear conclusions about it is remarkable.
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On October 23 2010 13:45 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:26 vek wrote:MBC has to win... with the massive fails at blizzcon today Blizzard pretty much proved they don't give a shit about esports. + Show Spoiler +If Blizzard succeed with this lawsuit.. I will throw my SC2 CE in the bin. The blizzard stream that they wanted you to use (read: not the flash stream) worked 100% the entire time. Only the Flash stream crashed.
So the FLASH stream crashed, did it? Seems pretty anti-BW to me...typical Activision Blizzard.
Coincidence...or CONSPIRACY?
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On October 23 2010 13:47 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:39 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
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KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.
Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.
It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work. Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even. ... Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is. Your ability to in one post say the law is clearly on Blizzards side, and in another say that copyright law for videogames isn't fully developed enough to reach clear conclusions about it is remarkable.
Well considering that this person's earlier posts contain clear misinformation, plus the fact that all 12 posts this person has made on TL are in this very thread...
seems he or she is rather invested in this situation, emotionally or more.
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On October 23 2010 13:47 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:39 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
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KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.
Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.
It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work. Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even. ... Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is. Your ability to in one post say the law is clearly on Blizzards side, and in another say that copyright law for videogames isn't fully developed enough to reach clear conclusions about it is remarkable.
Those are two different things.
IP wise, Starcraft can be used by Blizzard in anyway. For example, they could dismantle the whole game tomorrow, and delete the battle.net servers without any reprimands(Read the license, they have the right to revoke it at any time). In this point, they can deny an organization from advertising Starcraft for their company for game matches and leagues.(For example, the Kespa companies would probably put watch starcraft blah blah sponsored by blah blah, gaining some sort of revenue through advertisement of something they didn't license)
However, when it comes to showing content of that game and shoutcasting it or broadcasting gameplay is a different scenario. Not using for advertisement, not being used by sponsors, but just people posting a video of the game and commentating on it.
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On October 23 2010 13:48 Whiladan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:45 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:26 vek wrote:MBC has to win... with the massive fails at blizzcon today Blizzard pretty much proved they don't give a shit about esports. + Show Spoiler +If Blizzard succeed with this lawsuit.. I will throw my SC2 CE in the bin. The blizzard stream that they wanted you to use (read: not the flash stream) worked 100% the entire time. Only the Flash stream crashed. So the FLASH stream crashed, did it? Seems pretty anti-BW to me...typical Activision Blizzard. Coincidence...or CONSPIRACY?
Actually, this is what I was going after. It's freaking ridiculous. First KeSPA, not Blizzard wants to destroy FLASH?!!! He's a great player who has a long life ahead of him!
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On October 23 2010 13:50 Zona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:47 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:39 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:
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It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work. Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even. ... Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is. Your ability to in one post say the law is clearly on Blizzards side, and in another say that copyright law for videogames isn't fully developed enough to reach clear conclusions about it is remarkable. Well considering that this person's earlier posts contain clear misinformation, plus the fact that all 12 posts this person has made on TL are in this very thread... seems he or she is rather invested in this situation, emotionally or more.
Not really, I just find discussing things like this very interesting.
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On October 23 2010 13:39 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
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Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.
KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work. Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even. And while it's been stated KeSPA bought rights from HanBitSoft, they were just the distributor. Like how Capcom distributes GTA games in Japan, they have no right to do with whatever they want concerning the IP itself, they're just the ones that translate it, and sale to the stores to retail. Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is. Take Blip TV: http://blip.tv/faq/content/From the content restrictions: It is also our policy not to accept videogame screen recordings. So as it stands it's sketchy when it comes to broadcasting copyright content from videogames. Maybe commentators can throw their 2 cents into the ring, seeing as they freely upload casts, they know more than us.
I don't understand, if gaming law hasn't been explored as you stated, how can you then make the second statement about HanBitSoft and being "just the distributor?"
Also, yes, games haven't been explored as much, but we're no discussing strictly games here, we're discussing e-SPORTS as they're called. Anyway, my original point stands in that most sports HAVE companies which control the distribution of the products their organization made.
Also, I'd think the Blip TV supports KeSPA if anything because it doesn't accept screen recordings, but it accepts videos with commentators. KeSPA hires the commentators in this case; they also hire the players, the observers, etc.
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On October 23 2010 09:22 Rain... wrote:
wow...-_- they are essentially suing the entire korean starcraft community.. good luck with that Blizzard
oh and thanks Blizzard for trying to kill all our favorite game
My thoughts exactly
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On October 23 2010 13:55 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:39 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:30 ghrur wrote:On October 23 2010 13:25 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
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KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.
Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.
It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten. They only want to control their product. *IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up* And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business. Pro sports ARE owned by people, especially the broadcasting of sports. Examples include the NBA, the NFL, and the MLB. All of them have a "do not broadcast without the permission of _______" before their games. In this case, Basketball:NBA, Starcraft:Kespa. Wrong, it's been stated that KeSPA had bought the rights from HanBitSoft. They also had the right when they themselves bought the game... unless you're saying we can't put up our starcraft matches on youtube now without paying Blizzard royalties. Finally, their business is based around the matches. Starcraft matches are their product, which are a combination of many things, just like NBA matches are a product of many people's hard work. Funny thing, uploading videos on certain sites restrict content from games. The thing is, Gaming law is sketchy in the sense that it hasn't been explored as much as Movies, TVs, and sports even. And while it's been stated KeSPA bought rights from HanBitSoft, they were just the distributor. Like how Capcom distributes GTA games in Japan, they have no right to do with whatever they want concerning the IP itself, they're just the ones that translate it, and sale to the stores to retail. Comparing games to sports or anything is a fallacy, because game laws aren't as cut clear as sport fair use is. Take Blip TV: http://blip.tv/faq/content/From the content restrictions: It is also our policy not to accept videogame screen recordings. So as it stands it's sketchy when it comes to broadcasting copyright content from videogames. Maybe commentators can throw their 2 cents into the ring, seeing as they freely upload casts, they know more than us. I don't understand, if gaming law hasn't been explored as you stated, how can you then make the second statement about HanBitSoft and being "just the distributor?" Also, yes, games haven't been explored as much, but we're no discussing strictly games here, we're discussing e-SPORTS as they're called. Anyway, my original point stands in that most sports HAVE companies which control the distribution of the products their organization made. Also, I'd think the Blip TV supports KeSPA if anything because it doesn't accept screen recordings, but it accepts videos with commentators. KeSPA hires the commentators in this case; they also hire the players, the observers, etc.
Because Distributor, in any sense of the word, is just the company that localizes and 'distributes' the product. They have no control over the IP itself, they just have permission to distribute it.(Key work, distribute(.
Again, Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play e-Sports. A product that very well has a copyright owner, and protection from that. It is not a real 'sport' in the sense that not everyone can play it;IE schools can play Basketball, but they don't have to pay the NBA or anyone license fees, but if they wanted to use Starcraft for their class or anything, they'd have to ask permission from the license holder in order to do so.
That's why you can't compare Starcraft to real sports.
Blip.Tv was just an example of their terms of service directly stating limitations of using gameplay content in videos. Whether they support kespa indirectly because so is irrelevant.
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