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On October 23 2010 12:58 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. I answered this before. The companies that make up Kespa have profited from advertising in BW, but Kespa itself hasn't.
and yet you can't see the picture? organizations are head and kespa is the hand. Kespa's no-profit situation is irrelevant if those companies don't make money , they beat the shit out of Kespa.Really can't see the picture? those companies have huge force on kespa...
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WHAT THE FUCK
MBC YOU BETTER WIN
4-0 blizzard and bring starcraft into a rejuvenated golden age as GSL dies due to broodwar's flooding of primetime slots >=(
words cannot describe my anger right now so i won't try, but seriously i hope you gtfo of korea and go pamper your foreigner sheep.
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Free marketing to make your game the biggest of all games in Korea and now you want to pull the plug on it all. It seems logically sound but morally dickish to me.
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On October 23 2010 13:01 Borked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:58 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. I answered this before. The companies that make up Kespa have profited from advertising in BW, but Kespa itself hasn't. and yet you can't see the picture? organizations are head and kespa is the hand. Kespa's no-profit situation is irrelevant if those companies don't make money , they beat the shit out of Kespa.Really can't see the picture? those companies have huge force on kespa...
No, all i'm saying is that they're legally distinct organizations, and should be referred to as such.
I don't understand why this is so complicated for you.
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What it seems like here is that blizzard went all-in to try and hijack the korean esport scene from kespa, but they don't really understand why the scene was successful or how to build it like kespa did.
They had a lot to gain if they had succeeded in bw getting killed off and sc2 becoming the next bw for a decade to come, but they didn't play their cards right and got too greedy so now this could all blow up in their face.
Hopefully the SC2 players will start realizing just how dangerous it is to have blizzard calling the shots, and they can see what we have seen of blizzard in regards to bw and wow esports, a large amount of neglect.
Blizzcon sc2 coverage has been pretty much atrocious, you know a company as well established as blizzard could hold amazing esports tourneys if they actually cared, but obviously they don't.
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On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches?
Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences.
Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA.
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This looks really bad
and I dont think blizzard is going to lose
Just move the entire proleague to china and problem solved xD
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On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL.
Nice post of vague statements without any specification of who "they" are. Also very nice how you completely shifted away from the American IP laws in Korea argument after making a claim but not backing it up with any proof or expertise in the area of Korean/International IP law. Of course, this isn't as great as your baseless claim that "they" don't understand how Kespa is hurting the pro scene, of course without any proof that
A. "they don't understand"
and B. That Kespa does hurt the pro scene.
In general, I just love your arguments. They're as rigorous in logic as a mathematical proof. 
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If the actual legal proceeding takes place in Korea, ActiBlizzard will have a harder time winning this case. I just hope that this is over and done with soon.
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Fuck you Blizzard. Fuck you.
User was warned for this post
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On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA.
They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague.
The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now.
Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports.
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They announced this at Blizzcon? Okaaay.
Anyway, if OGN and MBC still go ahead with OSL/MSL, it will be an indication that they are confident they can win the lawsuits.
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On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports.
Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything.
I'm so mad I will punch a kitten.
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/sigh
announcing this at blizzcon is sorta dumb. alienates a lot of fans.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
wow thanks blizzard.............
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Damn.. that's tough news, but yeah I think Blizzard obviously has a say in what happens with their game. Hopefully they reach some kind of agreement with broadcasting. Tons of people love it.
Well, we'll see what happens.
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On October 23 2010 13:19 zenMaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 13:13 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 13:06 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 13:00 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams. Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams. It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL. Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches? Currently, they aren't. The only thing they're pissed about is the fact that the broadcasting organizations did not pay their dues in order to broadcast Starcraft games even though they were explicitly told so or risk legal consequences. Notice MBC and OGN are being sued. Not KeSPA. They're submitting for an injunction to stop proleague. The specter of this is why OGN and MBC are hesitant to start up new starleagues right now. Yeah, they're trying to fuck over esports. Yes, we love E-Sports but we will stop proleague if we don't get control over everything. I'm so mad I will punch a kitten.
They only want to control their product.
*IB4 people argue soccer balls or whatever stupid analogies they bring up*
And no, pro sports are not owned by anybody but Starcraft isn't a sport. Starcraft is a product that is used to play a sport ("e-sports"). OGN and MBC, and in turn KeSPA has never had the right to use Starcraft for their business.
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MBC has to win... with the massive fails at blizzcon today Blizzard pretty much proved they don't give a shit about esports.
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If Blizzard succeed with this lawsuit.. I will throw my SC2 CE in the bin.
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On October 23 2010 13:22 pikaaarrr :3 wrote:
/sigh
announcing this at blizzcon is sorta dumb. alienates a lot of fans.
Honestly, i don't think they are. If they win the expect us to just "get over it" I mean, what are the fans really going to do? Eventually people will crave to watch again and we will forget and just conform. Sad but thats how the majority of us will go.
I love watching bw, and i always will as long as its around. I hope the court decides in MBC favor, and until the court date all i can do is wait.
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Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
Not sure how anyone didn't see this coming.
Anyways, regardless of how it turns out, we'll finally have a definitive answer and be able to put the matter to rest.
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