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Such disappointing news. Doesn't matter if Blizzard wins or loses, this seems like it'll hurt both scenes badly. I can't see how SC2 working out with sponsors/MBC/OGN after these lawsuits. I hope I am wrong, but the future seems poor for SC in general, no matter if you are a BW fan or SC2 fan.
This fucking sucks.
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On October 23 2010 09:20 Ares[EffOrt] wrote:
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they never cared before, now suddenly with the release of sc2 they want to bring up these "ip rights" so so sad
Your a little uninformed. Blizz has been contesting IP rights in korea for years and SC2 is just driving them to take further action.
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On October 23 2010 12:20 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:16 Romantic wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. Blizzard is seeing it from the commercial side of it. Teams have sponsors that pay for them to play in these tournaments, so their is money being made. It is not the complete 'No money involved' situation you're trying to argue. That's what this is all about:Both sides fighting for money. Kespa feels like they own Starcraft because they made it into what it is, even though without Blizzard they wouldn't exist. So now we've got two sides:The passionate side, the ones who argue for Kespa just because they made Starcraft grow. And the legal side, which Blizzard deserves its due desserts. You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. Of course Kespa makes money, guy. The individual companies that make up Kespa do so because of the advertising benefit they receive, which they perceive to give them a monetary gain. The fact they collectivized and formed a non-profit separate from their own companies is just a formality. Are you going to make us say, "the companies that make up Kespa" or will you let us graciously use Kespa to make conversation easier? The companies that make up Kespa != Kespa. Saying that the fact that they make money from advertising through BW means that Kespa itself does is idiotic. It's tantamount to saying that if a company runs an add on NPR and makes a profit from it that NPR is a for profit organization.
You're right, Blizzard got involved in this whole saga a couple years ago when Kespa, out of the blue, claimed to own the rights to broadcast SC in Korea (by what logic, who knows).They were demanding money for the rights to broadcast proleague games after 7 years of "allowing" the 2 game channels to broadcast the games for free.
It's funny seeing them play the victim now.
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On October 23 2010 12:13 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
BTW unless you're a Korean IP lawyer, stop talking about who is legally right. You have no idea. You've never studied Korean IP law. And even if Blizzard does end up winning, does that mean the decision was legally right? Judges make mistakes all the time and get reversed all the time. Furthermore, many decisions are extremely close and is about which party makes the best argument, not about who's right or wrong.
Sorry for the mini-rant but it just pisses me off when people who've never studied the law talk about it like they understand. I reiterate, it's Blizzards IP, they can do whatever they want with it. Unless Korea want's to start an international dispute with an American company, which they aren't in a position to do, they have to listen to the creators of the game. Again, many of you are arguing passion over legality. And when I say Kespa, I mean the companies blizzard is suing, MBC and OGN
Wow you are so ignorant of your own ignorance. It blows my mind how someone who's never studied the law can say such clearly wrong things so confidently.
Edit: alright I'm done arguing in this thread cause I'll just starting saying more assholish and elitist things as I get more pissed off. Sorry If I'm being a dick.
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On October 23 2010 12:20 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:16 Romantic wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:57 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.
It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW. Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization. Blizzard is seeing it from the commercial side of it. Teams have sponsors that pay for them to play in these tournaments, so their is money being made. It is not the complete 'No money involved' situation you're trying to argue. That's what this is all about:Both sides fighting for money. Kespa feels like they own Starcraft because they made it into what it is, even though without Blizzard they wouldn't exist. So now we've got two sides:The passionate side, the ones who argue for Kespa just because they made Starcraft grow. And the legal side, which Blizzard deserves its due desserts. You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. Of course Kespa makes money, guy. The individual companies that make up Kespa do so because of the advertising benefit they receive, which they perceive to give them a monetary gain. The fact they collectivized and formed a non-profit separate from their own companies is just a formality. Are you going to make us say, "the companies that make up Kespa" or will you let us graciously use Kespa to make conversation easier? The companies that make up Kespa != Kespa. Saying that the fact that they make money from advertising through BW means that Kespa itself does is idiotic. It's tantamount to saying that if a company runs an add on NPR and makes a profit from it that NPR is a for profit organization.
If NPR was made up of and governed by the advertisers as Kespa is, for all intents and purposes, yes it would be for-profit
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On October 23 2010 12:22 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:13 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 Slow Motion wrote:
BTW unless you're a Korean IP lawyer, stop talking about who is legally right. You have no idea. You've never studied Korean IP law. And even if Blizzard does end up winning, does that mean the decision was legally right? Judges make mistakes all the time and get reversed all the time. Furthermore, many decisions are extremely close and is about which party makes the best argument, not about who's right or wrong.
Sorry for the mini-rant but it just pisses me off when people who've never studied the law talk about it like they understand. I reiterate, it's Blizzards IP, they can do whatever they want with it. Unless Korea want's to start an international dispute with an American company, which they aren't in a position to do, they have to listen to the creators of the game. Again, many of you are arguing passion over legality. And when I say Kespa, I mean the companies blizzard is suing, MBC and OGN Wow you are so ignorant of your own ignorance. It blows my mind how someone who's never studied the law can say such clearly wrong things so confidently.
<Insert ambiguous reply here that somehow proves you wrong without actually proving it>
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On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea.
God damn, did you make your account one month prior just to post slander in this thread?
Good luck applying American IP in Korean court. At least most of the internet lawyers supporting Blizzard has more brains than you.
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lol no.... they are in Korea... a Korean Court nol ess, so Korean IP ^^.
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On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea.
Some contracts do last forever. You don't know the terms of the contract MBC and OGN signed with Hanbitsoft, and at the point where they're citing it as justification for their position it seems plausible to assume that it is currently in effect. Also, Kespa offered to pay GOM, but they said they weren't offering enough.
Also, no, it falls under Korean IP law. A US court does not have jurisdiction over MBC, OGN, or Kespa, the only courts that do are in Korea.
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On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea.
please, stop.
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On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea.
except for the part where them getting sued is Korean Law, cuz they are you know... in Korea. American Law only has effect there when they decide to let it.
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On October 23 2010 12:24 Enderbantoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea. except for the part where them getting sued is Korean Law, cuz they are you know... in Korea. American Law only has effect there when they decide to let it.
Paragraph 5 of the Korean IP law states that the derivative work(People playing Starcraft, in this case) is protected by law, but it is limited by the original IP itself.
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On October 23 2010 12:32 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:24 Enderbantoo wrote:On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea. except for the part where them getting sued is Korean Law, cuz they are you know... in Korea. American Law only has effect there when they decide to let it. Paragraph 5 of the Korean IP law states that the derivative work(People playing Starcraft, in this case) is protected by law, but it is limited by the original IP itself.
lol. oh god . . . must . . . resist . . . dickish . . . comment
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On October 23 2010 12:32 PalaceAthene wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:24 Enderbantoo wrote:On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea. except for the part where them getting sued is Korean Law, cuz they are you know... in Korea. American Law only has effect there when they decide to let it. Paragraph 5 of the Korean IP law states that the derivative work(People playing Starcraft, in this case) is protected by law, but it is limited by the original IP itself.
That doesn't mean that American law applies in Korea...
Also, if you want to source law, quote and cite it.
Also, the authoritative text of that law is the Korean one, not whatever translation you are using. Therefore, it's difficult to draw any conclusions from it.
Also, i highly doubt you are qualified to practice law in Korea, meaning that your opinion on this isn't worth shit.
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Oh Activision-Blizzard. To what lengths you go to shut down BW for good.
What kind of affirmation of confidence is that in SC2?
"Oh we have to shut down BW for SC2 to have a true shot at becoming a top-tier E-Sport."
I am disappointed. That's all there is to say.
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On October 23 2010 12:39 Apex wrote:
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Oh Activision-Blizzard. To what lengths you go to shut down BW for good.
What kind of affirmation of confidence is that in SC2?
"Oh we have to shut down BW for SC2 to have a true shot at becoming a top-tier E-Sport."
I am disappointed. That's all there is to say.
Saddest part then becomes,
We have to shut down SC(x-1) to have a true shot at becoming a top-tier E-Sport for SC(x). 
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On October 23 2010 12:35 deafhobbit wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:32 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:24 Enderbantoo wrote:On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent. Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft. On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass. The irony, you just made a stupid analogy. Key word former. The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous. You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties. Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it. Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it. Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams. Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them. And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea. except for the part where them getting sued is Korean Law, cuz they are you know... in Korea. American Law only has effect there when they decide to let it. Paragraph 5 of the Korean IP law states that the derivative work(People playing Starcraft, in this case) is protected by law, but it is limited by the original IP itself. That doesn't mean that American law applies in Korea... Also, if you want to source law, quote and cite it. Also, the authoritative text of that law is the Korean one, not whatever translation you are using. Therefore, it's difficult to draw any conclusions from it. Also, i highly doubt you are qualified to practice law in Korea, meaning that your opinion on this isn't worth shit.
In retrospect, it is vain for anyone to try to argue for anything in this topic. Arguing for or against Kespa is foolish, according to your logic.
All Kespa has against Blizzard is the fact that their progamers are forbidden from playing Starcraft 2.
Blizzard has nothing to lose by suing MBC and OGN.
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On October 23 2010 12:40 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:39 Apex wrote:
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Oh Activision-Blizzard. To what lengths you go to shut down BW for good.
What kind of affirmation of confidence is that in SC2?
"Oh we have to shut down BW for SC2 to have a true shot at becoming a top-tier E-Sport."
I am disappointed. That's all there is to say. Saddest part then becomes, We have to shut down SC(x-1) to have a true shot at becoming a top-tier E-Sport for SC(x).
That's their business model... whatcanyado =/.
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On October 23 2010 12:19 night terrors wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2010 12:07 Milkis wrote:
rofl the interview in that article
it makes blizzard look absolutely retarded. i can't imagine this ending up well rofl ending up well for whom?
for esports
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