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Let the fun begin. Activision Blizzard suing MBC - Page 10

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ionlyplayPROtoss
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada573 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 03:48:01
October 23 2010 03:47 GMT
#181
If BW dies because of this I wonder who will ever believe anything when blizz says we and care without don't about esports in a sentence.
ReTr0[p.S]
Profile Joined March 2005
Argentina1590 Posts
October 23 2010 03:47 GMT
#182
Watch WWIII unfold because of this, WANT
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
October 23 2010 03:48 GMT
#183
wow blizzard, you guys are such douchecanoes
POGGERS
TheStupidOne
Profile Joined June 2010
United States5 Posts
October 23 2010 03:52 GMT
#184
So wait... Blizzard gave the rights to Gretech for SC in Korea, Gretech last week decided to play nice and let PL continue and now Blizzard is sidestepping Gretech altogether and just directly suing? Am I getting this right?

Has the world gone completely insane?
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 23 2010 03:52 GMT
#185
I'm sure most people saw this coming months ago, but it still sucks now that its official.
Moderator
King[Neikos]
Profile Joined September 2010
Costa Rica506 Posts
October 23 2010 03:53 GMT
#186
On October 23 2010 12:42 PalaceAthene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:35 deafhobbit wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:32 PalaceAthene wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:24 Enderbantoo wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:20 PalaceAthene wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:15 deafhobbit wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:11 PalaceAthene wrote:
On October 23 2010 12:04 deafhobbit wrote:
You're putting words in my mouth - i never said no one made money from BW, only that kespa didn't. Tournaments are run by MBC and OGN, Kespa is only an administrative agent.

Also, calling Blizzard the "legal side" is bullshit, because it assumes the law is clear cut. Furthermore, it ignores the fact that MBC and OGN purchased the rights to broadcast BW from Blizzards former Korean partner, Hanbitsoft.
On October 23 2010 12:14 ShadeR wrote:
Does Fifa pay royalties to the man who created the soccer ball?
Over and over again your stupid analogies fall on their ass.


The irony, you just made a stupid analogy.



Key word former.

The fact that Blizzard let Kespa build an industry based around Starcraft, for 8 years without saying anything is pretty generous.

You're all forgetting that Starcraft isn't a sport, it's a product used to play a sport. Blizzard has had the right to not have them pay for royalties to use their product, and they have the right to change their mind and ask Kespa to start paying Royalties.

Kespa doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's Blizzards game, Blizzards IP, and they have a right to do anything they want with it.



Yeah former, and contracts made with them were legally binding. Property rights don't give you the right to go back on contracts you've already made, or your agent made for you, even if you've changed your mind on it.

Finally, you're assuming this is a purely legal matter, which it isn't. None of us are qualified to talk about the vagaries of Korean IP law (as many people have pointed out), but what is legal and what isn't can rarely be stated objectively. Politics are deeply involved in legal processes, especially in countries like South Korea where large companies have direct ties to the government, and as it turns out a lot of those companies sponsor Proleague teams.


Contracts don't last forever. Blizzard has made it clear that they tried making a contract through Kespa, but Kespa pretty much that Blizzard should be paying them.

And again, it deals with American IP law, not Korean. Starcraft falls under American IP law, as it was made in America and not Korea.


except for the part where them getting sued is Korean Law, cuz they are you know... in Korea. American Law only has effect there when they decide to let it.


Paragraph 5 of the Korean IP law states that the derivative work(People playing Starcraft, in this case) is protected by law, but it is limited by the original IP itself.


That doesn't mean that American law applies in Korea...

Also, if you want to source law, quote and cite it.

Also, the authoritative text of that law is the Korean one, not whatever translation you are using. Therefore, it's difficult to draw any conclusions from it.

Also, i highly doubt you are qualified to practice law in Korea, meaning that your opinion on this isn't worth shit.


In retrospect, it is vain for anyone to try to argue for anything in this topic. Arguing for or against Kespa is foolish, according to your logic.

All Kespa has against Blizzard is the fact that their progamers are forbidden from playing Starcraft 2.

Blizzard has nothing to lose by suing MBC and OGN.



could you please stop trolling on this thread
Borked
Profile Joined October 2010
221 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 03:55:13
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#187
On October 23 2010 09:33 Meriones wrote:
Now if Boxer and Nada have any honor and feel any loyalty to the industry they helped build up, they will boycott GSL from now on.


lolwut? that's called manipulating others for your own cause.

these individuals contributed to bw scene more than any pro player , especially boxer. After all he has done for bw scene and e-sports. he doesn't NEED to do something to show their loyalty.
He could care less or not even think about it. The things he had done for the game until now is more than enough.

I wonder if you gonna bash the emperor if they don't boycott gsl.
Thou shall not crave thy neighbor.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#188
blizzard is being a dick

however i honestly believe that the 2 cannot coexist at a high level. they can coexist to a point, which i'm sure people would be happy with, but if you want big gsl's and a proleague going on with equal hype one will die out eventually. there are virtually no b-teamers, why? because they want to go where the money is.

you see bw is already almost dead in a sense, there are no second generation players, no b teamers and no nerds with dreams of becoming kings of the sc world.

however if bw were to live on(which is quite impossible) sc2 would die. i personally wouldn't mind either becoming the next big thing since i think sc2 has a lot of potential and bw is amazing.

foreigners don't count because honestly korea is the only stable esport country in the world
Slago
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada726 Posts
October 23 2010 03:54 GMT
#189
really blizz, if someone does something cool and awesome with your property and you allow it for years, than all of a sudden go, hey we wish we were the ones to do that, sue!!!!!!!! it makes you look so bad, like why don't let an ICCUP server go up on SC2 so much better than your maps and system, why not let the community run your game, it ends with a better product. take a page out of valves book, I really think blizz should drop activision sure they make a few more bucks but at a much greater overall cost for the company, itsname, many people buy blizzards games becuase its blizzard, they go oh they're a great company ill check this game out, it's like disney was, you knew it would be aquality movie (aladdin, lion king, little mermaid.......) and now disney has a shit reputation of teen popstars with no actual talent, i really hope activision does'nt screw blizz over like im predicting, but it seems its heading that way......... :/
I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum and I'm all out of... ah forget it
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
October 23 2010 03:55 GMT
#190
On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.

It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW.


Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.


KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.

Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.
♥
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
October 23 2010 03:56 GMT
#191
This is ridiculous...

Blizz makes money selling sc2, blizz ruins sc2, blizz release d3, what will happen then?
PalaceAthene
Profile Joined September 2010
21 Posts
October 23 2010 03:57 GMT
#192
On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.

It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW.


Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.


KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.

Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.


It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
October 23 2010 03:58 GMT
#193
On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.

It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW.


Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.


KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.

Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.


I answered this before. The companies that make up Kespa have profited from advertising in BW, but Kespa itself hasn't.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
robertdinh
Profile Joined June 2010
803 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 03:59:12
October 23 2010 03:58 GMT
#194
Weren't kespa and gretech supposed to be going into negotiations in good faith again? With a lawyer that blizzard would choose to mediate?

This shows you blizzard's good faith.
True skill comes without effort.
cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 04:03:06
October 23 2010 04:00 GMT
#195
Blizzard is destroying everything here. Let's be realistic:

If Blizzard gets on the negative side of OGN/MBC by suing them, what is stopping a public backlash against that in Korea? I would understand Korean netizens' criticism of Kespa itself, but OGN and MBC are broadcasting companies. GomTV is the only broadcasting company with the rights to broadcast GSL.

Once this boils up, all the efforts made by OGN and MBC in promoting esports (I am talking about the OSL and MSL, as well as the proleague, in BW) will be swept under the rug forcefully. What will the SC fans think of that, particularly in Korea?

Dissent will grow against GSL and SC2 in particular. In a worst case scenario, the Korean government will shut down SC2 and GSL altogether. All SC fans will not benefit from this at all; we will be seeing the death of both BW and SC2 in South Korea.

And what will be left for Blizzard?

/startrant (Don't read at all)

+ Show Spoiler +
F*CK YOU BLIZZARD, YOU GREEDY PANDERING IDIOTS! Stop lying about wanting to promote e-sports; you are only concerned about the depth of your own pockets. Stop feeding Bobby Kotick's ego. I am so glad I never bought SC2; I have been a spectator of BW for years and I wanted to be a fan of SC2, but with this fiasco happening now, I have lost faith in you. IP rights may be a big issue, but to go to such lengths so as to want to SHUT DOWN BW completely in favor of your own stupid SC2 game, you are a PR nightmare. Enjoy your downfall.


/endrant
Member of the "Afrotoss be rapin" crew ! Join now by copy/pasting this - || - I do not play BW or SC2, but I am a rabid fanboy! =D
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
October 23 2010 04:00 GMT
#196
Instead of pointless bickering can I request a few Fomos articles about the subject be translated?

Fomos 1
Fomos 2
Fomos 3
Fomos 4
Taengoo ♥
Hikko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1126 Posts
October 23 2010 04:00 GMT
#197
On October 23 2010 12:58 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.

It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW.


Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.


KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.

Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.


I answered this before. The companies that make up Kespa have profited from advertising in BW, but Kespa itself hasn't.


In essence, this means that KeSPA is a separate organization created by the corporations with the sole intention of advertising. I'm not saying it's wrong to do that. I'm saying that it is wrong to claim that KeSPA is totally innocent and never does anything for itself but just for service.
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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
October 23 2010 04:00 GMT
#198
On October 23 2010 12:57 PalaceAthene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2010 12:55 Hikko wrote:
On October 23 2010 11:41 deafhobbit wrote:
On October 23 2010 11:36 PalaceAthene wrote:
Legally, blizzard is in the right. They tried to make contracts with Kespa before, but Kespa argued that Starcraft was a public property, and they made money off of it.

It's like if you bought a movie, and made people pay to watch it. It's illegal, and it's wrong. And if Kespa dies, the GSL is there. And no doubt companies will rise from Kespas ashes to take the reins of SC:BW.


Kespa hasn't made a dime off of BW. Kespa is a committee of companies that sponsor progaming teams, and a non profit organization.


KeSPA is an organization of corporations that advertise through their teams.

Are you telling me companies advertise for fun with no intention of making money? They wouldn't do it if they weren't profiting. Sure, KeSPA itself may make no money, but it is all in the name of advertisement for the corporations that support the teams.


It's pointless trying to argue to them. They don't understand how at this point in time, Kespa is hurting the pro scene more than helping them by forbidding any of their players from playing in the GSL.


Any yet Blizzard ISN'T holding back esports by trying to ban anyone from participating in any further OSL's, MSL's, Courage Tournaments, or Proleague matches?
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2605 Posts
October 23 2010 04:01 GMT
#199
if this kills the BW proscene... and most of the people are left jobless/few prospects, i'll quit SC2
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
October 23 2010 04:01 GMT
#200
YAy, what fun. Maybe there will be an English version of the court thing.
BoxeR is AWESOME!!!!//Proud 2nd Member of the BW>SC2 club.
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