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BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
June 24 2004 09:15 GMT
#61
zerg
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Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
June 24 2004 09:17 GMT
#62
On June 24 2004 15:58 Chobohobo wrote:
I vote zerg:

As a zerg player I always feel cheated because I have to macro my ass off. And then still I need to micro my units as much as other races(fu terrans). Its hard because unlike terran and toss who just move in a straight line a zerg has to be a lot more mobile and always keep tabs on the opposing army so that you can position in just the right manner to perform a flank, and if it fails you lose. And most zerg need to achieve this with 3-4 hotkeys for units(unless you dont hotkey hatcheries). And while I am doing all this micro I still need to have 2x the bases of the opponent and do harass micro just so I can buy enough time to make a few more drones or start a hatchery.

And then theres the Drone/War Unit balance. Essentially a good zerg needs intuition to when to drone, how much to drone and how many units to make. If you make too little drones then your economy will never keep up with the opponent and you wont produce enough units to defend your base and expansions. Make too many drones and you won't have enough units to defend yourself. At the base its a race of how many drones can you make without getting creamed.


I agree =[ fu terrans :p
hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
June 24 2004 09:17 GMT
#63
Any. Terran is the only mastered race as it is, the rest are still masterable, but no one is making any progress :O
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Milzo
Profile Joined March 2004
France656 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-06-24 09:18:43
June 24 2004 09:17 GMT
#64
On June 24 2004 17:40 green-tea. wrote:
Protoss have it easy in pvp.


ahah funny one
^^
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 24 2004 09:33 GMT
#65
On June 24 2004 08:40 iamke55 wrote:
First serious game I tried with Zerg, got zealot rushed and lost. Second game, beat a newb but constantly had 1k minerals. In the first serious games I tried toss, I got up to 200/200 very quickly, secured many expansions(and still lost the games), and didn't have many excess minerals until 3-5 expansions and 200/200. So I would say zerg is hardest and protoss is easiest.


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RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
June 24 2004 09:38 GMT
#66
like drone said, zerg is alot about micro and strategy, whereas toss is almost all about timing. i think toss (in a perfect sc world) would be the hardest, simply because small changes in timing by the opponent would have to be noted and adjusted to in order to not die

i think speed is more easily accomplished that perfect timing
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krzych113
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United Kingdom547 Posts
June 24 2004 13:10 GMT
#67
Well burrowing lurkers is not really micro -.-
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
June 24 2004 13:51 GMT
#68
why don't you play zvt and tell me its really fun playing against tanks
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Hoops
Profile Joined April 2004
417 Posts
June 24 2004 14:27 GMT
#69
If you don't think burrowing lurkers in zvt is micro you're crazy. I find timing it right and burrowing the proper amount ect to be pretty damn hard.

Still, the game is balanced relatively folks. So since there are to level tos players and terran players and a few zerg players it's hard to really say any oneis more balanced then others. On that thought I do have to say there really hasn't been many great zergs so it apears at the pro level zerg might be showing signs of being the hardest to master.

Then again maybe maps hate zerg and it's all because of the maps
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 24 2004 15:07 GMT
#70
i voted zerg only because i play them

but at high levels, i would definitely say protoss.

its very difficult for many strong protosses to play on mineral only expoes vs zerg

i've seen kingdom do it very well, while most other protosses get raped

plus PvT isn't getting any easier at the pro-levels these days
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
June 24 2004 15:08 GMT
#71
On June 24 2004 18:38 RuGbUg wrote:
like drone said, zerg is alot about micro and strategy, whereas toss is almost all about timing. i think toss (in a perfect sc world) would be the hardest, simply because small changes in timing by the opponent would have to be noted and adjusted to in order to not die

i think speed is more easily accomplished that perfect timing


Zerg is way more about timing than Toss IMO.
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kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
June 24 2004 19:57 GMT
#72
Why ppl say zerg ? every wgt season top 14 out of 16 is zergs ... And playing toss easy ? go play vs good zerg and say its easy -_-
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Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
June 24 2004 22:11 GMT
#73
Playing a shitload of random games I say Terran. All parts of the game escpecially vs zerg is hard. Easy to make devastating misstakes. A bit personal opinion since I can't control marines and get slaughtered by zerg. Now I mostly play zerg if it's not for fun and well I cant see how they can be harder since I feel alot closer to master them than with terran. And I think toss is easier than both.. This is within a wery small margin so to speak. The game is so balanced ect...
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NonYold
Profile Joined April 2004
United States2814 Posts
June 24 2004 22:25 GMT
#74
i don't see how protoss got so few votes. there have been so few professional dominant protoss players throughout the years compared to z/t. with zerg and terran, you can play 20 games a day for a month and get fast speed, then execute basic strategies. with protoss, you can be extremely fast and if you dont know what to do (which is often very hard to figure out) then you'll lose. that's why you see so many low apm protoss own it up.. the strategy will be more important than perfect micro/macro.

if toss is easy, then why dont people play it and top off wgtour and ngi, cuz there's shit for toss players on the top of either of those ladders ;o
suxN
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Finland1167 Posts
June 24 2004 22:31 GMT
#75
this is just what i think: Terrans need best micro, Zerg needs best macro, Protoss needs best "game eye" if you know what i mean..(when to attack where to attack,what to build and when, best time to spend mana etc..)
I dont want to be totally out :3
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