EPTPoll: Hardest Race To Master
(Vote): Terran
(Vote): Zerg
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): All races are equally hard to master
[POLL] What race is the hardest to master
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
Poll: Hardest Race To Master (Vote): Terran (Vote): Zerg (Vote): Protoss (Vote): All races are equally hard to master | ||
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
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TLKiD
China1136 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Terran requires too much micro, along with macro (whereas zerg only needs macro in the later portion). | ||
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Meta
United States6228 Posts
so many m&m vs z, tank vult vs p, and tedious little things vs t | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
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Snakeyez
Canada456 Posts
dudey had a great post somehwere that explained some starcraft theory about it, basically with zerg you hafta know when to make workers and when to make troops throughout the game which isn't the case with toss/terr | ||
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Tossim1
714 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
i know people say terran is more micro, but zerg is HARDER micro. | ||
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Madox-101
Malaysia128 Posts
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AnOther
565 Posts
On June 23 2004 22:27 Cambium wrote: Protoss is definitely by FAR the easiest to use. yea lol | ||
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SuGoSu
Turkey109 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On June 23 2004 23:59 Madox-101 wrote: zerg no need micro..just attack move. you probably dont make a good zerg, do you? | ||
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baal
10708 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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tEkK
United States184 Posts
On June 23 2004 23:59 Madox-101 wrote: zerg no need micro..just attack move. noob | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On June 23 2004 23:59 Madox-101 wrote: zerg no need micro..just attack move. Because attack moving mutas against marines is totally cost effective. Same with lurkers... I guess.. -_- | ||
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HeaT
Germany325 Posts
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DarkGhost]Coon[
United States1471 Posts
On June 24 2004 01:37 HeaT wrote: terran. when u have masterd terran u can pwn with zerg! It's true. :O | ||
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krzych113
United Kingdom547 Posts
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
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Ky.Kiske
72 Posts
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
Hardest to master: Zerg Hardest to play in general: Terran | ||
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LazySCV
United States2942 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 23 2004 23:59 Madox-101 wrote: zerg no need micro..just attack move. Yeah right. You'll get owned by zealot rush. If you sunken up, you'll then die to psi storm. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On June 24 2004 08:40 iamke55 wrote: First serious game I tried with Zerg, got zealot rushed and lost. Second game, beat a newb but constantly had 1k minerals. In the first serious games I tried toss, I got up to 200/200 very quickly, secured many expansions(and still lost the games), and didn't have many excess minerals until 3-5 expansions and 200/200. So I would say zerg is hardest and protoss is easiest. Starting out and mastering is not the same thing? | ||
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KarlSberg~
731 Posts
I find it much easier to switch between Terran and Protoss. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
The power of the race is mainly depedant on which skill level you are playing. Average terran and protoss usually can't win your average zerg. Average protoss will beat mediocore terran player etc, while at top level anybody can win no-matter the matchup. All of the races are equally hard to master, if you want to play at top level. It is just a matter of preference what GUI, sounds, gameplay you like! | ||
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
On June 24 2004 09:29 suffeli wrote: All of the races are equally hard to master, if you want to play at top level. It is just a matter of preference what GUI, sounds, gameplay you like! It's more a matter of identification. If you are filthy and completely moraleless you'll like zerg. If you are filthy and anal retentive with very fast hands Terran definitely will be your choice. Noble souls of great intellect like we Protoss players will prefer, well Protoss of course ;-) | ||
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Yarertz
Djibouti1891 Posts
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Lem0n
United States39 Posts
On June 23 2004 22:27 Cambium wrote: Protoss is definitely by FAR the easiest to use. On an amateur level yes. Zerg is the easiest in my opinion. Mass, mass mass. Both T and P require much micro, especially PvZ. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28894 Posts
toss requires more thinking. terran and zerg require higher speed. if you're naturally smart yet slow, mastering toss will be easier than terran or zerg. if it's the other way around, then toss will be the hardest for you.  although pvt doesn't really require much of anything. | ||
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Lem0n
United States39 Posts
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Sadterran
46 Posts
zerg are not realy hard but not realy easy but guy 4sz5sz 5sh6sh are not hard no ? in mid game you have nothing more to do and you dont need big micro using zerg... + your pop for overlord are realy easy to not forget. terran are the most hard by far. you need NON STOP micro//macro + need use hotkey all time and make some nice drop + move during all that you need macro your bass and your unit in the same time all game non stop. | ||
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Lem0n
United States39 Posts
On June 24 2004 11:25 Sadterran wrote: protoss are a joke.. realy easy to macro//micro and play Stop talking while you still have a tiny bit of credibility left. | ||
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Cygnus
United States853 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On June 24 2004 12:03 JaySmurff wrote: im a terran player but still voted zerg ^_^ I'm a protoss player and I still voted zerg too. However, I doubt that any zerg players would vote for terran, because if you don't play zerg you won't really understand how hard it is. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On June 24 2004 11:25 Sadterran wrote: protoss are a joke.. realy easy to macro//micro and play zerg are not realy hard but not realy easy but guy 4sz5sz 5sh6sh are not hard no ? in mid game you have nothing more to do and you dont need big micro using zerg... + your pop for overlord are realy easy to not forget. terran are the most hard by far. you need NON STOP micro//macro + need use hotkey all time and make some nice drop + move during all that you need macro your bass and your unit in the same time all game non stop. gee, you don't sound biased at ALL. | ||
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Senshin
Netherlands115 Posts
Never someone succeeded to master them completely yes, i know my english sux. | ||
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Ky.Kiske
72 Posts
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Snakeyez
Canada456 Posts
On June 24 2004 12:10 Senshin wrote: toss, why? Never someone succeeded to master them completely yes, i know my english sux. huh? one could argue no one has mastered any race completely, theres been lots of protoss champions over the years, grrr, garimato, reach, nal_ra, kingdom the list goes on | ||
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The Light
United States86 Posts
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GoSexyPerli
United States1072 Posts
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
terran and protoss are more forgiving. units don't die as easily, have (arguably) better support units that are cheaper, such as tanks, reavers, temps. I've been playing for some 4 years, and zerg is deffinately my worst race, even though I've played quite alot with them. they just require so much movement and sense of eco. | ||
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Munkeys
United States146 Posts
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0wNaG3-
333 Posts
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On June 24 2004 08:44 JoeUser wrote: Zerg is harder because of the unit/peon ratio that must always be achieved at every step of the game. I have been playing zerg for like ~6 months and I still havn't got it mastered. oh man you played 6 months already at a game that has like the highest entering level ever. No wonder zerg is hard -_- | ||
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[pG]RaGe
United States346 Posts
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Chobohobo
United States945 Posts
As a zerg player I always feel cheated because I have to macro my ass off. And then still I need to micro my units as much as other races(fu terrans). Its hard because unlike terran and toss who just move in a straight line a zerg has to be a lot more mobile and always keep tabs on the opposing army so that you can position in just the right manner to perform a flank, and if it fails you lose. And most zerg need to achieve this with 3-4 hotkeys for units(unless you dont hotkey hatcheries). And while I am doing all this micro I still need to have 2x the bases of the opponent and do harass micro just so I can buy enough time to make a few more drones or start a hatchery. And then theres the Drone/War Unit balance. Essentially a good zerg needs intuition to when to drone, how much to drone and how many units to make. If you make too little drones then your economy will never keep up with the opponent and you wont produce enough units to defend your base and expansions. Make too many drones and you won't have enough units to defend yourself. At the base its a race of how many drones can you make without getting creamed. | ||
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Spoonsocket
United States13 Posts
I don't think anyone knows which race is hardest to master. Some players are kinda skilled, but the way I think of it, nobody has mastered any race. Everyone has a lot to find out. Definitely nobody has mastered all three to compare! | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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nvnplatypus
Netherlands1300 Posts
Then as you approach the mid-game its a very delicate balance between massing and powering. Timing is critical to the zerg. I watched some of the replays from the City pack. Some games he has only his main + expo and Terran is pushing in. He times it so perfectly though knowing when to sacrifice his expo to get just a few more units to break the push or when he can defeat it right away. I think that is harder to learn than how to micro or macro units. | ||
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Sadterran
46 Posts
sry but that not something realy hard... you only need dont be stupid and change your tactic drone//unit depent of what the other player do.. i think so many zerg user only know to exp + make 1-2 suken and never stop drone until got muta after switch lurker + make 2 exp after the got fast tank push or fast drop and got zero ling to do someting and they are like WTF ZERG ARE SO HARD yes kid yes... | ||
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green-tea.
United States90 Posts
On June 24 2004 00:50 SuGoSu wrote: I wanted to say this. Protoss have it easy in pvt and pvp but pvz i just really hard.this poll is meaningless. toughest matchup in the whole game is pvz, but easiest race to learn is protoss. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28894 Posts
and I play random! so hah | ||
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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Vharox
United States1037 Posts
On June 24 2004 15:58 Chobohobo wrote: I vote zerg: As a zerg player I always feel cheated because I have to macro my ass off. And then still I need to micro my units as much as other races(fu terrans). Its hard because unlike terran and toss who just move in a straight line a zerg has to be a lot more mobile and always keep tabs on the opposing army so that you can position in just the right manner to perform a flank, and if it fails you lose. And most zerg need to achieve this with 3-4 hotkeys for units(unless you dont hotkey hatcheries). And while I am doing all this micro I still need to have 2x the bases of the opponent and do harass micro just so I can buy enough time to make a few more drones or start a hatchery. And then theres the Drone/War Unit balance. Essentially a good zerg needs intuition to when to drone, how much to drone and how many units to make. If you make too little drones then your economy will never keep up with the opponent and you wont produce enough units to defend your base and expansions. Make too many drones and you won't have enough units to defend yourself. At the base its a race of how many drones can you make without getting creamed. I agree =[ fu terrans :p | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
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Milzo
France656 Posts
On June 24 2004 17:40 green-tea. wrote: Protoss have it easy in pvp. ahah funny one ^^ | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On June 24 2004 08:40 iamke55 wrote: First serious game I tried with Zerg, got zealot rushed and lost. Second game, beat a newb but constantly had 1k minerals. In the first serious games I tried toss, I got up to 200/200 very quickly, secured many expansions(and still lost the games), and didn't have many excess minerals until 3-5 expansions and 200/200. So I would say zerg is hardest and protoss is easiest. Where is Terran? | ||
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
i think speed is more easily accomplished that perfect timing | ||
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krzych113
United Kingdom547 Posts
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
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Hoops
417 Posts
Still, the game is balanced relatively folks. So since there are to level tos players and terran players and a few zerg players it's hard to really say any oneis more balanced then others. On that thought I do have to say there really hasn't been many great zergs so it apears at the pro level zerg might be showing signs of being the hardest to master. Then again maybe maps hate zerg and it's all because of the maps | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
 but at high levels, i would definitely say protoss. its very difficult for many strong protosses to play on mineral only expoes vs zerg i've seen kingdom do it very well, while most other protosses get raped plus PvT isn't getting any easier at the pro-levels these days | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On June 24 2004 18:38 RuGbUg wrote: like drone said, zerg is alot about micro and strategy, whereas toss is almost all about timing. i think toss (in a perfect sc world) would be the hardest, simply because small changes in timing by the opponent would have to be noted and adjusted to in order to not die i think speed is more easily accomplished that perfect timing Zerg is way more about timing than Toss IMO. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
if toss is easy, then why dont people play it and top off wgtour and ngi, cuz there's shit for toss players on the top of either of those ladders ;o | ||
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suxN
Finland1167 Posts
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