I'm a protoss player and I still voted zerg too.

However, I doubt that any zerg players would vote for terran, because if you don't play zerg you won't really understand how hard it is.

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Braavos36362 Posts

June 24 2004 03:10 GMT

#42

On June 24 2004 11:25 Sadterran wrote:
protoss are a joke.. realy easy to macro//micro and play

zerg are not realy hard but not realy easy but guy 4sz5sz 5sh6sh are not hard no ? in mid game you have nothing more to do and you dont need big micro using zerg... + your pop for overlord are realy easy to not forget.

terran are the most hard by far. you need NON STOP micro//macro + need use hotkey all time and make some nice drop + move during all that you need macro your bass and your unit in the same time all game non stop.

gee, you don't sound biased at ALL.

Senshin

Netherlands115 Posts

June 24 2004 03:10 GMT

#43

toss, why?
Never someone succeeded to master them completely

yes, i know
my english sux.

Ky.Kiske

72 Posts

June 24 2004 03:15 GMT

#44

yall got the shit mixed up, the topic is which race is hardest to master, not hardest to micro/macro. terran is hardest to micro for sure, so is zerg. but the hardest to master is zerg. terran requires much less strategy, everything is based on micro and macro.for zerg u have to decide which units u want to make in different situation,

Snakeyez

Canada456 Posts

June 24 2004 03:25 GMT

#45

On June 24 2004 12:10 Senshin wrote:
toss, why?
Never someone succeeded to master them completely

yes, i know
my english sux.

huh? one could argue no one has mastered any race completely, theres been lots of protoss champions over the years, grrr, garimato, reach, nal_ra, kingdom the list goes on

The Light

United States86 Posts

June 24 2004 03:43 GMT

#46

Zerg, [Red]Nada is correct, watch the Yellow replay packages, every game is different in when to time worker/unit production. Doesn't create sunkens till absolutely neccessary, makes colonies then cancels it to fake out opponents just to allow for 1 more drone to be mining, ect. The efforts he goes through to have just 1 more drone mining are extreme. It's insanely more complicated than us P/T players generally realize.

GoSexyPerli

United States1072 Posts

June 24 2004 04:44 GMT

#47

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sushiman

Sweden2691 Posts

June 24 2004 05:56 GMT

#48

zerg. units die very fast, you need good macro, you need to constantly scout looking for weak spots, you need to have a good idea of when to retreat, expand etc.
terran and protoss are more forgiving. units don't die as easily, have (arguably) better support units that are cheaper, such as tanks, reavers, temps.
I've been playing for some 4 years, and zerg is deffinately my worst race, even though I've played quite alot with them. they just require so much movement and sense of eco.

Munkeys

United States146 Posts

June 24 2004 05:57 GMT

#49

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0wNaG3-

333 Posts

June 24 2004 06:05 GMT

#50

Terran is the hardest to master. They requiar so much micro and macro. Nearly every unit has a special ability, which you you need to know when and where to use. Building placement, supply depo production, build orders and timing are all so crucial and you usually cant get away with making a mistake or two.

Commander{+}

United States2878 Posts

June 24 2004 06:18 GMT

#51

Zerg is the hardest to master at pro level. But average games between amataurs I think tvp is the hardest MU in the game. It just requires so much speed, and accuracy, and harassment - while toss just requires good timing and macro and expanding. Maybe because I am just worse at the speed/accuracy/harass, but I think this is true for most players - therefor, its the hardest at lower levels.

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

June 24 2004 06:28 GMT

#52

On June 24 2004 08:44 JoeUser wrote:
Zerg is harder because of the unit/peon ratio that must always be achieved at every step of the game. I have been playing zerg for like ~6 months and I still havn't got it mastered.

oh man you played 6 months already at a game that has like the highest entering level ever. No wonder zerg is hard -_-

[pG]RaGe

United States346 Posts

June 24 2004 06:34 GMT

#53

zerg. you can become a good microer in a short period of time but the requirements of being a top zerg are out of reach of 97% of zerg users. knowing when to make drones and when not to, extremely fast handspeed, etc.

Chobohobo

United States945 Posts

June 24 2004 06:58 GMT

#54

I vote zerg:

As a zerg player I always feel cheated because I have to macro my ass off. And then still I need to micro my units as much as other races(fu terrans). Its hard because unlike terran and toss who just move in a straight line a zerg has to be a lot more mobile and always keep tabs on the opposing army so that you can position in just the right manner to perform a flank, and if it fails you lose. And most zerg need to achieve this with 3-4 hotkeys for units(unless you dont hotkey hatcheries). And while I am doing all this micro I still need to have 2x the bases of the opponent and do harass micro just so I can buy enough time to make a few more drones or start a hatchery.

And then theres the Drone/War Unit balance. Essentially a good zerg needs intuition to when to drone, how much to drone and how many units to make. If you make too little drones then your economy will never keep up with the opponent and you wont produce enough units to defend your base and expansions. Make too many drones and you won't have enough units to defend yourself. At the base its a race of how many drones can you make without getting creamed.

Spoonsocket

United States13 Posts

June 24 2004 07:15 GMT

#55

I'm zerg, and I chose terran as the hardest... though I agree that balancing power and mass as zerg is very hard to learn. I sure haven't done it.

I don't think anyone knows which race is hardest to master. Some players are kinda skilled, but the way I think of it, nobody has mastered any race. Everyone has a lot to find out. Definitely nobody has mastered all three to compare!

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

June 24 2004 07:48 GMT

#56

i think u guys give zerg too much credit just because they are so different from the other races.

nvnplatypus

Netherlands1300 Posts

June 24 2004 07:52 GMT

#57

Zerg seems the hardest to really master to me, especially getting good at early and mid-game. Early game you need so much effort to stop attacks that cost the opponent much less effort. For instance in ZvP the P making a 2-gate build and rushing you with his first zealot and then two more soon after. Sure P needs to micro his zealot, but for the zerg even a small mistake will cost him the game.

Then as you approach the mid-game its a very delicate balance between massing and powering. Timing is critical to the zerg. I watched some of the replays from the City pack. Some games he has only his main + expo and Terran is pushing in. He times it so perfectly though knowing when to sacrifice his expo to get just a few more units to break the push or when he can defeat it right away. I think that is harder to learn than how to micro or macro units.

Sadterran

46 Posts

June 24 2004 08:08 GMT

#58

to resume that by many player answer : zerg are the most hard because you need to know when make or stop drone and the same for unit.

sry but that not something realy hard... you only need dont be stupid
and change your tactic drone//unit depent of what the other player do..

i think so many zerg user only know to exp + make 1-2 suken and never stop drone until got muta after switch lurker + make 2 exp

after the got fast tank push or fast drop and got zero ling to do someting and they are like WTF ZERG ARE SO HARD

yes kid yes...

green-tea.

United States90 Posts

June 24 2004 08:40 GMT

#59

On June 24 2004 00:50 SuGoSu wrote:
this poll is meaningless. toughest matchup in the whole game is pvz, but easiest race to learn is protoss.

I wanted to say this. Protoss have it easy in pvt and pvp but pvz i just really hard.